On 10/26/2011 01:46 PM, Kelly D. Leavitt wrote:
>> Next auction, how much will anyone bid for Dave McGuire? :)
>
> I'll give you $50 to keep him on his leash. ;-)

    I can chew through ANY leash. ;)

            -Dave

--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
> Sent: 26 October 2011 18:48
> To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] And the winner is ....
>
>
> On 10/26/2011 01:46 PM, Kelly D. Leavitt wrote:
> >> Next auction, how much will anyone bid for Dave McGuire? :)
> >
> > I'll give you $50 to keep him on his leash. ;-)
>
>    I can chew through ANY leash. ;)

Even these?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-0MM-X-72-CHROME-CHAIN-DOG-PET-LEASHES-NEW-/3503916
77190?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5194f8b106

>
>            -Dave
>
> --
> Dave McGuire
> New Kensington, PA
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Good stuff: on Wed., Dec. 21, I'm giving a computer museum tour to a group of
tech-minded teenagers from the Trenton area Boys & Girls club. These are kids
who don't have much money or opportunity, but are persevering and learning.
Looking forward to showing them a fun and eye-opening time.

On 10/26/2011 02:14 PM, Dave wrote:
>>>> Next auction, how much will anyone bid for Dave McGuire? :)
>>>
>>> I'll give you $50 to keep him on his leash. ;-)
>>
>>     I can chew through ANY leash. ;)
>
> Even these?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-0MM-X-72-CHROME-CHAIN-DOG-PET-LEASHES-NEW-/3503916
> 77190?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5194f8b106

    Crunch crunch crunch!!

--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA

When are you going to have the local Hooters waitresses for a tour?

Bill Degnan

-------- Original Message --------
> From: "Evan Koblentz" <evan@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:39 PM
> To: "MARCH Yahoo Midatlanticretro" <midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [midatlanticretro] Museum tour
>
> Good stuff: on Wed., Dec. 21, I'm giving a computer museum tour to a
group of tech-minded teenagers from the Trenton area Boys & Girls club.
These are kids who don't have much money or opportunity, but are
persevering and learning. Looking forward to showing them a fun and
eye-opening time.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On Oct 26, 2011 2:38 PM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan@...> wrote:
>
> Good stuff: on Wed., Dec. 21, I'm giving a computer museum tour to a group of tech-minded teenagers from the Trenton area Boys & Girls club. These are kids who don't have much money or opportunity, but are persevering and learning. Looking forward to showing them a fun and eye-opening time.
>
>

Well then, don't forget to show them what can do at the IXR Hackerspace too. They deserve to see other cool stuff.
=Dan
~{sent *[from ±my] ^Android}

Hmmm Are you proposing a new place to go this holiday party?




________________________________
From: B. Degnan <billdeg@...>
To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: re: [midatlanticretro] Museum tour

When are you going to have the local Hooters waitresses for a tour?

Bill Degnan

Hello all,

Is anyone else on the list planning to bid on the Microsoft OS/2 1.1
presently on eBay?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/170716146226

While I collect such software, I don't really care if I have original
media. Of course the manuals would be very helpful... Please let me know
if you plan to bid as I don't want to run up the price in a bidding war.

Jim

On 10/26/2011 04:23 PM, Jim Scheef wrote:
> Is anyone else on the list planning to bid on the Microsoft OS/2 1.1
> presently on eBay?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/170716146226
>
> While I collect such software, I don't really care if I have original
> media. Of course the manuals would be very helpful... Please let me know
> if you plan to bid as I don't want to run up the price in a bidding war.

    I wasn't planning to, but I'd love to get disk images if you end up
with it.

             -Dave

--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA

I already have the same Compaq disks  ...   but not the manuals.  Wouldn't
the IBM version be worth more anyway?

Bill Degnan

-------- Original Message --------
> From: "Jim Scheef" <scheefj@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:24 PM
> To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] Museum today
>
> Hello all,
>
> Is anyone else on the list planning to bid on the Microsoft OS/2 1.1
> presently on eBay?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/170716146226
>
> While I collect such software, I don't really care if I have original
> media. Of course the manuals would be very helpful... Please let me know

> if you plan to bid as I don't want to run up the price in a bidding war.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 

I already have the same Compaq disks ... but not the manuals. Wouldn't
the IBM version be worth more anyway?

Bill Degnan

-------- Original Message --------
> From: "Jim Scheef" <scheefj@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:24 PM
> To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] Museum today
>
> Hello all,
>
> Is anyone else on the list planning to bid on the Microsoft OS/2 1.1
> presently on eBay?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/170716146226
>
> While I collect such software, I don't really care if I have original
> media. Of course the manuals would be very helpful... Please let me know

> if you plan to bid as I don't want to run up the price in a bidding war.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

IBM sold a retail OS/2, not sure what you're talking about.  I have the
box, etc.

I have both IBM and Compaq's.... I can compare at some point, add it to the
list of to do's.  I do actually have plans to build a 386 Deskpro with
Compaq's OS/2 1, but it got pushed back a few pegs to do other things.

I have many but not all versions of OS/2.


Bill Degnan

-------- Original Message --------
> From: "Jim Scheef" <scheefj@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:43 PM
> To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] Microsoft OS/2 on eBay
>
> Bill,
>
> The Microsoft version was only OEM and formed the basis for NT
> networking - NTLM authentication, etc. The IBM version is *much* more
> common. I believe I have a copy of the IBM version, but I'm not where I
> can check.
>
> Jim
>
> On 10/26/2011 4:33 PM, B. Degnan wrote:
> >
> > I already have the same Compaq disks ... but not the manuals. Wouldn't
> > the IBM version be worth more anyway?
> >
> > Bill Degnan
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > > From: "Jim Scheef" <scheefj@...
> > <mailto:scheefj%40netscape.net>>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:24 PM
> > > To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:midatlanticretro%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] Museum today
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Is anyone else on the list planning to bid on the Microsoft OS/2 1.1
> > > presently on eBay?
> > >
> > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/170716146226
> > >
> > > While I collect such software, I don't really care if I have
original
> > > media. Of course the manuals would be very helpful... Please let me
> > know
> >
> > > if you plan to bid as I don't want to run up the price in a bidding
war.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

On 10/26/11 16:26, Jim Scheef wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Is anyone else on the list planning to bid on the Microsoft OS/2 1.1
> presently on eBay?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/170716146226
>
> While I collect such software, I don't really care if I have original
> media. Of course the manuals would be very helpful... Please let me know
> if you plan to bid as I don't want to run up the price in a bidding war.
>
> Please excuse my earlier post in Evan's museum thread.
>


Weird I had a bid on this 2 days ago, but now my bids are gone and others
are there.  I have a confirmation email from eBay and my high bid was above
what it currently is.  I would love to have a Microsoft version of OS/2.
But if it gets a lot higher it will be beyond what I'm willing to pay.

Mark

On 10/26/11 16:26, Jim Scheef wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Is anyone else on the list planning to bid on the Microsoft OS/2 1.1
> presently on eBay?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/170716146226
>
> While I collect such software, I don't really care if I have original
> media. Of course the manuals would be very helpful... Please let me know
> if you plan to bid as I don't want to run up the price in a bidding war.
>
> Please excuse my earlier post in Evan's museum thread.

I'm really getting to hate eBay.  Anyway I am the high bidder.  I had to
signin to see that.  I'm sure someone will snipe it away at the last
second, which is what usually happens to me.

Mark

I received this email today from the Rutgers CS professor who brought
his freshman class to our museum last weekend:

"Thank you for a wonderful tour last Sunday. The students and I
appreciated your enthusiasm and knowledge. The museum has an excellent
collection of vintage computers, and your impassioned narrative really
helped bring it all of to life. I would definitely recommend the museum
(with you as tour guide!) to all my fellow computer enthusiasts."

Good job, Evan.

Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan Koblentz" <evan@...>
To: <midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:36 PM
Subject: [midatlanticretro] Rutgers class last weekend


>I received this email today from the Rutgers CS professor who brought
> his freshman class to our museum last weekend:
>
> "Thank you for a wonderful tour last Sunday. The students and I
> appreciated your enthusiasm and knowledge. The museum has an excellent
> collection of vintage computers, and your impassioned narrative really
> helped bring it all of to life. I would definitely recommend the museum
> (with you as tour guide!) to all my fellow computer enthusiasts."
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Rolf Levenbach donated some wonderful things to MARCH. I was reading about the
Bellmac 8 CPU and will soon post a web page about the interesting architectural
gems in that chip that other processors re-discovered years later, such as
register windowing.

I'll soon forward the 1975 book "Programming Languages: Design and
Implementation" by Terrence W. Pratt to the MARCH library. It is SO 70s:
discusses FORTRAN, ALGOL 60, COBOL, PL/I, LISP 1.5, SNOBOL 4, APL

Who'd imagine that ALL those languages would become obsolete?

On 10/29/2011 12:39 AM, Jeff Jonas wrote:
> Rolf Levenbach donated some wonderful things to MARCH. I was reading about the
Bellmac 8 CPU and will soon post a web page about the interesting architectural
gems in that chip that other processors re-discovered years later, such as
register windowing.

    Fantastic, I look forward to reading that!

> I'll soon forward the 1975 book "Programming Languages: Design and
Implementation" by Terrence W. Pratt to the MARCH library. It is SO 70s:
discusses FORTRAN, ALGOL 60, COBOL, PL/I, LISP 1.5, SNOBOL 4, APL
>
> Who'd imagine that ALL those languages would become obsolete?

    FORTRAN and Lisp are still in pretty serious use in some worlds.
(unless you're specifically referring to Lisp 1.5..)

              -Dave

--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA

--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, B Degnan <billdeg@...> wrote:
> Apparently John McCarthy just died.  He is one of the pioneers of artificial
intelligence /LISP

Perhaps I need to poke bookmarks in the books as I browse them for the MARCH
library. "Programming Languages: Design and Implementation" page 417. Chapter
14: LISP 1.5

"the LISP language was first designed and implemented by John McCarthy and a
group at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology around 1960"

"Jeff Jonas" <jeff_s_jonas@...> writes:

>Rolf Levenbach donated some wonderful things to MARCH. I was reading
>about = the Bellmac 8 CPU and will soon post a web page about the
>interesting archi= tectural gems in that chip that other processors
>re-discovered years later,=  such as register windowing.
>
>I'll soon forward the 1975 book "Programming Languages: Design and
>Implemen= tation" by Terrence W. Pratt to the MARCH library. It is SO
>70s: discusses = FORTRAN, ALGOL 60, COBOL, PL/I, LISP 1.5, SNOBOL 4, APL
>
>Who'd imagine that ALL those languages would become obsolete?

Obsolete?

I still come across sites using Fortran; especially, those doing scientific
research because of the powerful intrinsic mathematical functions available
in Fortran.  Fortran 90, IIRC, added modern features like POINTER and the
ALLOCATABLE types.  I did, however, have both of these available to me in
Fortran-77 when I consulted on a project for the US Navy in the early '80s
with DEC Fortran.

PL/I and, moreso, COBOL are still quite popular in the financial/business
realm.  In fact, I have my hands in a huge installation, soon to go live,
for a major "transportation" product's logistics.  It has all been written
in COBOL save for some pieces of "glue" requiring O/S interfacing (I wrote)
to provide user authentication, impersonation, security and several other
things that COBOL app coders simply don't comprehend.

At 01:41 AM 10/29/2011, you wrote:
>--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, B Degnan <billdeg@...> wrote:
> > Apparently John McCarthy just died.  He is one of the pioneers of
> artificial intelligence /LISP
>
>Perhaps I need to poke bookmarks in the books as I browse them for
>the MARCH library. "Programming Languages: Design and
>Implementation" page 417. Chapter 14: LISP 1.5
>
>"the LISP language was first designed and implemented by John
>McCarthy and a group at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology around 1960"

  From the dankest corner of my programming language reference books ...

   "The Programming Language LISP: Its Operation and Applications by
Edmund Berkeley, Paul Abrahams (and  many others).   This is a book
edited by Berkeley and Abrahams, useful articles, etc.  In the book
there are references to McCarthy and others' book LISP 1.5
Programmer's Manual.  Does MARCH have a copy of that?  It would be
worth looking for this, put on display near the PDP 8.

Bill

On 10/29/2011 10:29 AM, B Degnan wrote:
> In the book there are references to McCarthy and others' book LISP
> 1.5 Programmer's Manual.  Does MARCH have a copy of that?  It would
> be worth looking for this, put on display near the PDP 8.

    Indeed, that book can still be purchased new.  Amazon has it.

              -Dave

--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA

Dave McGuire <Mcguire@...> wrote:

>On 10/29/2011 10:29 AM, B Degnan wrote:
>> In the book there are references to McCarthy and others' book LISP
>> 1.5 Programmer's Manual.  Does MARCH have a copy of that?  It would
>> be worth looking for this, put on display near the PDP 8.
>
>   Indeed, that book can still be purchased new.  Amazon has it.
>
>             -Dave
>
>--
>Dave McGuire
>New Kensington, PA
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
I meant vintage
--
Sent from my PDP 8/e.

> Obsolete?
> I still come across sites using Fortran;
> especially, those doing scientific research
> because of the powerful intrinsic
> mathematical functions available in Fortran.

That's an eye-opener to me,
but then, I'm mostly immersed in the Unix/Linux arena
where all that was ported to C/C++.

> Fortran 90, IIRC, added modern features like
> POINTER and the ALLOCATABLE types.

Wowzers, I've not seen that, but it's here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortran_95_language_features

Like the old saying "if it LOOKS like a duck and QUACKS like a duck ...". It
sure looks like C features wearing FORTRAN clothing, with structures
dereferenced with a%b%x instead of a.b.x and such.

> PL/I and, moreso, COBOL are still quite popular
> in the financial/business realm.

On what platforms / environments?

"Jeff Jonas" <jeff_s_jonas@...> writes:

>> Obsolete? > I still come across sites using Fortran; > especially,
>those doing scientific research > because of the powerful intrinsic >
>mathematical functions available in Fortran.
>
>That's an eye-opener to me, but then, I'm mostly immersed in the
>Unix/Linux arena where all that was ported to C/C++.
>
>> Fortran 90, IIRC, added modern features like > POINTER and the
>ALLOCATABLE types.
>
>Wowzers, I've not seen that, but it's here:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortran_95_language_features
>
>Like the old saying "if it LOOKS like a duck and QUACKS like a duck
>...". I= t sure looks like C features wearing FORTRAN clothing, with
>structures dere= ferenced with a%b%x instead of a.b.x and such.

The addition of these new statements doesn't preclude that those features
were not available or couldn't be realized through other means.  Like I'd
said, using Fortran-77, I was doing such things for the US Navy in early
'80s.  Most of the intrinsic features can be 'in-lined' whereas when you
are calling libraries of similar functions in 'C', you have call overhead
to contend with.  It's impact is small unless you're exercising that code
often.  How do you contend with "COMPLEX" numbers in 'C'?  Sqrt(-1)*REAL
is a real number in many scientific computations.



>> PL/I and, moreso, COBOL are still quite popular > in the
>financial/business realm.
>
>On what platforms / environments?

Well, I'm not going to post customer names here; that's just not proper;
perhaps, at the upcoming MARCH "Saturnalia."

My dealings are in the VMS realm but I know of a few companies still using
big blue iron that also develope their apps using COBOL.  Banks, anywhere
there are classic accounting needs (AR/AP/O* type stuff), insurance co.'s,
and even a large US trucking co.  I'm no COBOL programmer, thank goodness,
and I don't have much of a head for financials, but I believe one of the
COBOL strengths is its intrinsic packed or zoned decimal math.

C'mon, it was a little over a decade ago that the world was going to come
to an end due to COBOL whackers putting 3 digit years into production. ;)

Sorry to email the group.

Bill,

Any email I send you from either my classiccomputing.com or mac.com email gets
this:

<< Could not deliver message to the following recipient(s):

Failed Recipient: billdeg@...
Reason: Recipient spam or content filter rejected the message >>

Have you received any email from me in recent days?

Best,

David Greelish, Computer Historian
President, Atlanta Historical Computing Society

Classic Computing
The Home of Computer History Nostalgia
http://www.classiccomputing.com

Classic Computing Blog
Classic Computing Show video podcast
"Stan Veit's History of the Personal Computer" audiobook podcast
Retro Computing Roundtable podcast

I hope nobody's using them, but my local stationer still sells:

http://www.fileformat.info/media/2.8-floppy/
2.8 inch Floppy Disk
Also known as: Smith-Corona DataDisk 2.8, Data Disk 2.8

 

I hope nobody's using them, but my local stationer still sells:

http://www.fileformat.info/media/2.8-floppy/
2.8 inch Floppy Disk
Also known as: Smith-Corona DataDisk 2.8, Data Disk 2.8