We're up to almost 90 members, with just 15-20 actively participating.  We'd
really like to know who the rest of you are!

So...... please speak up.  Be friendly!  We don't bite but we really byte.

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This is good news, I can look forward to this.

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Evan wrote:

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> show --
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> and it would be short-sighted of us to overlook them.
>
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Perhaps a one day teaser at the TCF would encourage people to come to the
full-blown event at the InfoAge.  We could give out information/directions, etc.

If we are given free space again, we should take advantage of the free
promotion for our own event.

Bill

Evan wrote:
> http://www.ecgx.com/
>
> Anyone going from/through northern NJ, or want to carpool?  I can barely
> afford gas to drive around the block anymore.
>
>

Are you sure you don't mean *next* weekend? :)  I am planning on going,
if I can get that day off from work..  But I currently reside in
Burlington, NJ.

Cheers,

Bryan

That was a great show last year. I had a table there so I didn't get
to visit everything. I wish I had more money on hand to supplement my
collections.

If I go, I'll be driving from York.

Jeff

--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Pope <bryan.pope@c...>
wrote:
> Evan wrote:
> > http://www.ecgx.com/
> >
> > Anyone going from/through northern NJ, or want to carpool?  I can
barely
> > afford gas to drive around the block anymore.
> >
> >
>
> Are you sure you don't mean *next* weekend? :)  I am planning on going,
> if I can get that day off from work..  But I currently reside in
> Burlington, NJ.

Ebay auction 5242159992 says it all.

There are such huge glaring gaps in that collection.
Not a Televide Personal-Mini or Xerox 16/8 in sight!

Back in the late 80's, ACP had a gaggle of MINDSETS
for sale. I think they were $300 with the floppy
drives, then got lowered to $200 (maybe after the
above units sold out). That got you a cartridge only
unit. Sadly, I balked :(. I would like to know who
bought the things (maybe he only had like 50). As most
of us know, the Mindset never caught on, but there was
a framegrabber available for it, so for certain types
of work, it may have done the trick.
  And he didn't have a Mindset in this listing either.
Go figure (you'd a thought he would have held onto
one!).


--- Evan <evan947@...> wrote:

> Yup, this is at least the fourth or fifth time Dave
> Freeman offered his
> whole collection.
>
> I have no idea who would have the funds or time to
> purchase it.
>
>
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Yup, this is at least the fourth or fifth time Dave Freeman offered his whole collection.

 

I have no idea who would have the funds or time to purchase it.

 

 

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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:17 PM
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Subject: [midatlanticretro] Freeman PC Museum For Sale

Ebay auction 5242159992 says it all.

I wonder what reserve he has set. I'd bid if it were on the East coast. It
sure would jump start our museum, gaps or no gaps!

[Chris, there is no such thing as a "complete collection".]

Jim

--- Chris M <chrism3667@...> wrote:

>  There are such huge glaring gaps in that collection.
> Not a Televide Personal-Mini or Xerox 16/8 in sight!
>
> Back in the late 80's, ACP had a gaggle of MINDSETS
> for sale. I think they were $300 with the floppy
> drives, then got lowered to $200 (maybe after the
> above units sold out). That got you a cartridge only
> unit. Sadly, I balked :(. I would like to know who
> bought the things (maybe he only had like 50). As most
> of us know, the Mindset never caught on, but there was
> a framegrabber available for it, so for certain types
> of work, it may have done the trick.
>  And he didn't have a Mindset in this listing either.
> Go figure (you'd a thought he would have held onto
> one!).
>
>
> --- Evan <evan947@...> wrote:
>
> > Yup, this is at least the fourth or fifth time Dave
> > Freeman offered his
> > whole collection.
> >
> > I have no idea who would have the funds or time to
> > purchase it.
> >
> >
> >
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> > Sale
> >
> >
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> >
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--- Jim Scheef <jscheef@...> wrote:
> [Chris, there is no such thing as a "complete
> collection".]
>
> Jim

  It all depends how you define a collection. There's
loads of stuph I don't care about whatsoever. I'm not
into this stuph cuz it's kewell or I get to belong to
a groovy club - I just collect what I like :).
Granted, I do stray from my mainstay of
PC-incompatibles, but it's never been, nor ever shall
be my goal to own every "vintage" puter on the planet.
So within the confines of my desire to collect, I
could conceivably have a pretty complete collection
within 5 years I think. And although you can take a
deep breath at that point, that doesn't mean the
interest stops there. I guess the grooviness is where
you get to say "I got that...and that...and that", and
you get to play with them now and again. You may have
a hard time getting people to be interested in your
(my) collection, but that doesn't make it any less of
one, nor less interesting. I GET TO SAY WHAT'S COOL TO
ME!!!
  And I was joking about the "glaring gaps". I just
enjoyed for a moment revelling in the knowledge that I
had a few kewell gizmos this guy didn't. Nah nah.

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Hi folks,

Erik Klein (of www.vintage-computer.com) sent me the message below -- a guy
in Rahway, NJ is selling a bunch of stuff.  I will try to get together with
him sometime next week.  I've got dibs on the Psion Series 3, but go ahead
and claim whatever else ya'll want.   :)

Rahway is only 20 minutes from me, so I can pick up anything that's not too
large (you know by now: whatever fits in the roadster).

- Evan

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Vintage computers and software for sale
From:    UnkGadget7@...
Date:    Tue, September 13, 2005 5:37 pm
To:      webmaster@...
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I have the following vintage computers and software for sale. First
response,  first sale. All reasonable offers considered.

1- IBM 286 XT 40 mb running DOS 6.2.0, RGB 80 Monitor, 5.25 &1.44 3.5
drives.  AA clock battery adapter converter, uses standard AA Alkaline
batteries.  Installed is Direct Access, Word Perfect, Gray Touch, Catch
Word, Scanman,  Automap, Special Days Program data from 1850-1989 birthdays,
economics, historical  events. Also Data Perfect and Plan perfect disks and
manual copies.

3- Rayovac computer clock batteries #844 4.5 V

1- IBM Quietprinter III #5202, 11-#1299933 ribbons, 4-#1318154 print heads.

1-PSION Series 3 Palm size pocket computer, 2-serial links, 1-ac adaptor,
2-spell checker cards, 2-spreadsheet cards, 2-owner manuals, 2-programing
manuals. LIKE NEW UNIT AND BOOKS

Additional Software:
IBM DOS 3.30
Compaq user diagnostics v 6.01
PC World Powerbase Utility
Big Blue Disk's 19 Various disks
PC Magazine Utilities Disk V1, V2, V3
Spinright Hard Disk Program V 1.2
Numeric Processor Accuracy test disk
On Disk Monthly Solutions 16 disk set
Andrew Tobia Money Program
MS Word for Windows V 2.0
Kiplinger's Ca Simply Money for Windows 3.0 Rite Writer Program

Located in New Jersey, you pay shipping costs.
E-Mail me at unkgadget7@... with offers and wants.



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> <macmothership@...> wrote:
> > I have a big 'ole monitor that I'm not using, 19"
> or
> 21" if I remember.

  Dude...if you get a chance, send me the make/model #.
Like I said, it's probably a fixed frequency monitor,
that work perfectly well with a Mac, but not very well
with a PC. But who knows.




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Hey Chris.
It is a 19" 1987 Sony Trinitron #GDM-1952 with the three seperate RGB
input connectors. I
have a cable that merges them into ine plug.

-Jim


--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, Chris M <chrism3667@y...>
wrote:
> > <macmothership@y...> wrote:
> > > I have a big 'ole monitor that I'm not using, 19"
> > or
> > 21" if I remember.
>
>  Dude...if you get a chance, send me the make/model #.
> Like I said, it's probably a fixed frequency monitor,
> that work perfectly well with a Mac, but not very well
> with a PC. But who knows.
>
>
>
>
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Is anyone available to pick-up, pack and ship to me some stuff that's
located in Blackwood, NJ?  I'll of course reimburse for time/trouble with
a combination of cash and stuff.

Please reply directly to me.

Thanks!

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Hi.
I'm a newbie here, and I have no collection. I am also probably one of
the youngest here (16). The closest thing I have right now to a
vintage computer is an NES system. Can anyone recommend a place where
I can aquire some computers from to try and start off? I have been
interested in vintage computers for around 4 years, but never really
got into it.

Thanks

I have found cheap vintage gear at the local flea market and sometimes
the resell/goodwill shop.  At least half the time the items are non-
functional (and the fun begins), but once in a while you really find
something fantastic.  There is a good book called "Collectible
Microcomputers" that you can use as a field guide so that when you're
snooping around you can identify vintage computers easier, and get a
general idea of what they are worth.  The prices are a little out of
date, but close enough.  Most people on this list search ebay.com and
the vintagecomputermarketplace.com, but it's best to start locally to
avoid shipping costs.

Bill D

--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, "jtkirk1337" <starbase89@o...>
wrote:
> Hi.
> I'm a newbie here, and I have no collection. I am also probably one of
> the youngest here (16). The closest thing I have right now to a
> vintage computer is an NES system. Can anyone recommend a place where
> I can aquire some computers from to try and start off? I have been
> interested in vintage computers for around 4 years, but never really
> got into it.
>
> Thanks

I have found cheap vintage gear at the local flea market and sometimes
the resell/goodwill shop.  At least half the time the items are non-
functional (and the fun begins), but once in a while you really find
something fantastic.  There is a good book called "Collectible
Microcomputers" that you can use as a field guide so that when you're
snooping around you can identify vintage computers easier, and get a
general idea of what they are worth.  The prices are a little out of
date, but close enough.  Most people on this list search ebay.com and
the vintagecomputermarketplace.com, but it's best to start locally to
avoid shipping costs. 

Bill D

--- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, "jtkirk1337" <starbase89@o...>
wrote:
> Hi.
> I'm a newbie here, and I have no collection. I am also probably one of
> the youngest here (16). The closest thing I have right now to a
> vintage computer is an NES system. Can anyone recommend a place where
> I can aquire some computers from to try and start off? I have been
> interested in vintage computers for around 4 years, but never really
> got into it.
>
> Thanks

I'm not quite sure what a 1952 is, probably just a
minor variant of the 1950. Sounds like fixed frequency
dude, there I'll have to pass :(. Tanks for the offer
though.
  Some of those older monitors still kick butt though.
Don't be in a hurry to chuck it. If you can find a
solitary spot in the garage or basement, set it there
and one day you'll go looking for it. I still have 54
or 6 lying around :D.

--- macmothership <macmothership@...> wrote:

> Hey Chris.
> It is a 19" 1987 Sony Trinitron #GDM-1952 with the
> three seperate RGB
> input connectors. I
> have a cable that merges them into ine plug.
>
> -Jim
>
>
> --- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, Chris M
> <chrism3667@y...>
> wrote:
> > > <macmothership@y...> wrote:
> > > > I have a big 'ole monitor that I'm not using,
> 19"
> > > or
> > > 21" if I remember.
> >
> >  Dude...if you get a chance, send me the
> make/model #.
> > Like I said, it's probably a fixed frequency
> monitor,
> > that work perfectly well with a Mac, but not very
> well
> > with a PC. But who knows.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi back,

You didn't give your name.

Both of the other replies have been sage advice. I'll add a suggestion to not
worry so much about what's rare or old but rather collect what you like. I
like my old computers to work, meaning that they can do more than just turn
on and glow in the dark, but can do real, useful tasks. This means that most
of what I collect is newer than what many of the others here call 'vintage'.
Tonite I was bidding on eBay for a laptop that most people here would not
even consider collectible. I didn't win because there were at least ten
others bidding for the same item. For me, part of the collecting fun is
finding bargans. So if what you like is playing video games, collect game
consoles and the games that make them fun. Game consoles and old home
computers are often given away at garage/yard/tag sales.

BTW, what is an NES system?

Jim

--- jtkirk1337 <starbase89@...> wrote:

> Hi.
> I'm a newbie here, and I have no collection. I am also probably one of
> the youngest here (16). The closest thing I have right now to a
> vintage computer is an NES system. Can anyone recommend a place where
> I can aquire some computers from to try and start off? I have been
> interested in vintage computers for around 4 years, but never really
> got into it.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>

Chris,

I plugged "Sony Trinitron #GDM-1952" into Yahoo search. Check out

http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/hardware/monitors.html

and

http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/supermac/std945519trinitrondisplay.html

With a vertical frequency of only 60Hz, this monitor will have some flicker,
but it certainly qualifies as vintage (1989) in my book. I'm not sure how the
horizontal frequency translates to screen resolution.

If you have a display adapter that supports the frequencies (just about
anything made in the last 10 years) you can run this monitor under Linux
using the manual setup for X-Windows. A PC can play nice with a fixed
frequency monitor but it greatly limits your choices. You know, it might be
easier to use it on an old Sun workstation.

Jim

--- Chris M <chrism3667@...> wrote:

> I'm not quite sure what a 1952 is, probably just a
> minor variant of the 1950. Sounds like fixed frequency
> dude, there I'll have to pass :(. Tanks for the offer
> though.
>  Some of those older monitors still kick butt though.
> Don't be in a hurry to chuck it. If you can find a
> solitary spot in the garage or basement, set it there
> and one day you'll go looking for it. I still have 54
> or 6 lying around :D.
>
> --- macmothership <macmothership@...> wrote:
>
> > Hey Chris.
> > It is a 19" 1987 Sony Trinitron #GDM-1952 with the
> > three seperate RGB
> > input connectors. I
> > have a cable that merges them into ine plug.
> >
> > -Jim
> >
> >
> > --- In midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com, Chris M
> > <chrism3667@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > <macmothership@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I have a big 'ole monitor that I'm not using,
> > 19"
> > > > or
> > > > 21" if I remember.
> > >
> > >  Dude...if you get a chance, send me the
> > make/model #.
> > > Like I said, it's probably a fixed frequency
> > monitor,
> > > that work perfectly well with a Mac, but not very
> > well
> > > with a PC. But who knows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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Hi back,

You didn't give your name.

Both of the other replies have been sage advice. I'll add a suggestion to not
worry so much about what's rare or old but rather collect what you like. I
like my old computers to work, meaning that they can do more than just turn
on and glow in the dark, but can do real, useful tasks. This means that most
of what I collect is newer than what many of the others here call 'vintage'.
Tonite I was bidding on eBay for a laptop that most people here would not
even consider collectible. I didn't win because there were at least ten
others bidding for the same item. For me, part of the collecting fun is
finding bargans. So if what you like is playing video games, collect game
consoles and the games that make them fun. Game consoles and old home
computers are often given away at garage/yard/tag sales.

BTW, what is an NES system?

Jim

--- jtkirk1337 <starbase89@...> wrote:

> Hi.
> I'm a newbie here, and I have no collection. I am also probably one of
> the youngest here (16). The closest thing I have right now to a
> vintage computer is an NES system. Can anyone recommend a place where
> I can aquire some computers from to try and start off? I have been
> interested in vintage computers for around 4 years, but never really
> got into it.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>

--- Jim Scheef <jscheef@...> wrote:

> I'm not sure how the
> horizontal frequency translates to screen
> resolution.

  Dude, first of all...THANKS! :). Let me see how does
it work....
  Basically, multiply the vertical sychronization
scanning frequency by the resolution and that's
roughly the horizontal sync scan rate (you have to
allow for overscan though, those "lines" of resolution
you don't get to play with or generally even see).
  Take for instance my Tandy 2000. 640 x 400 @ 60hz.
  400 x 60 = 24,000 or 24khz. The card actually outputs
25.something, because there's extra "lines" there. In
TV broadcasts, I think the overscan can actually carry
information, perhaps even closed captioned stuff and
whatnot.

> If you have a display adapter that supports the
> frequencies (just about
> anything made in the last 10 years) you can run this
> monitor under Linux
> using the manual setup for X-Windows. A PC can play
> nice with a fixed
> frequency monitor but it greatly limits your
> choices. You know, it might be
> easier to use it on an old Sun workstation.

  PC's can work with this style of monitor, but it used
to require a special card, or a highly tweaked off the
shelf video card. I'm going back to the mid 90's now
when these things were plentiful. They readily plug up
to Macs and as you pointed out, Suns and SGI's too.
Every now and again you have a problem though. I once
sold, perhaps the very model Jim has, to a guy who
wanted to use it with his whatever PowerMac. For some
reason though, it wouldn't sync up properly with his
puter. Not positive what the reason was, but it may
have had something to do with the width of the sync
pulses. It worked fine with my IICX and E-machines
Futura video card. The polarity of the sync pulses
didn't have anything to do with it, all those monitors
basically used negative going pulses.
  Back in the earlyish 90's, a guy in Derry, NH came
out with a manual called "the Cheap VGA" book, which
described how to get these monitors to work with a pc.
There were all sorts of little tweaks you could
employ, but sometimes you actually had to build a
little circuit to accomplish the task. But even if you
did get a monitor to work at a specific resolution, as
soon as say a game changed it, you were shirt out of
luck. Those were fun days. I used to find these things
dirt cheap and sell them for buckeroos LOL LOL.




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Joe,

Part of my collection is early DOS "near compatibles", like a Zenith Z-100.
Someone was giving the computer away. My rarest find is a Seattle Gazelle
(S-100 bus, runs DOS, uses an external ASCII terminal) that a guy in New
Hampshire was giving away. Free is my favorite price, although the drive up
and back from NH took about 8 hours. Every Thursday or Friday (it varies in
different areas) grab the local newspaper and look thru the garage/yard/tag
sale ads for computers. Then on Saturday, get on your horse and hit every one
of thoses garage sales. The later in the day that you get there, the more
likely they are to give you the computer just to get rid of it.

Go for it. This is the fun part.

Jim

--- Joe Giliberti <starbase89@...> wrote:

> Jim Scheef wrote:
>
> > Hi back,
> >
> > You didn't give your name.
> >
> > Both of the other replies have been sage advice. I'll add a suggestion
> > to not
> > worry so much about what's rare or old but rather collect what you like.
> I
> > like my old computers to work, meaning that they can do more than just
> > turn
> > on and glow in the dark, but can do real, useful tasks. This means
> > that most
> > of what I collect is newer than what many of the others here call
> > 'vintage'.
> > Tonite I was bidding on eBay for a laptop that most people here would not
> > even consider collectible. I didn't win because there were at least ten
> > others bidding for the same item. For me, part of the collecting fun is
> > finding bargans. So if what you like is playing video games, collect game
> > consoles and the games that make them fun. Game consoles and old home
> > computers are often given away at garage/yard/tag sales.
> >
> > BTW, what is an NES system?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --- jtkirk1337 <starbase89@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi.
> > > I'm a newbie here, and I have no collection. I am also probably one of
> > > the youngest here (16). The closest thing I have right now to a
> > > vintage computer is an NES system. Can anyone recommend a place where
> > > I can aquire some computers from to try and start off? I have been
> > > interested in vintage computers for around 4 years, but never really
> > > got into it.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > SPONSORED LINKS
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> NES is Nintendo Entertainment System. My name is Joe, by the way. I'm
> mainly interested in Apples, Amigas, Ataris, and Commodores. And I would
> want to have them working. I wouldn't pay for just a showpiece. My
> budget is too tight. An older luggable, maybe an SX-64 or a Kaypro would
> be cool.
>
>

Joe,

 

Welcome to our hobby and club!

 

How did you learn about us?  Where in the mid-atlantic region do you live?

 

Who am I: Besides running MARCH, I'm also the editor of Computer Collector Newsletter, which has worldwide readership.

 

Anyway, you'll find that most collectors either get a little of everything and anything, or they pick a specialty and become experts in it.  For example, I chose the latter route -- I collect vintage handhelds and laptops almost exclusively.

 

I suggest that you join the mailing list called "cctalk" based at www.classiccmp.org -- that's the largest global mailing list for the hobby.  You can also use the web forum at www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum, which in addition has classified ads.  Other ads are at www.vintagecomputermarketplace.com, and you should buy Michael Nadeau's book "Collectible Microcomputers", both as noted by Bill Degnan.  And as you found, the site www.old-computers.com is a great online encyclopedia.

 

Keep in mind that there's much more to collect besides microcomputers.  Many people get into minicomputers, and many people keep into the various kinds of software, chips, literature/books, I/O devices, storage, etc.

 

As for MARCH, we have members all over the region, and spanning the whole range of vintage computing interests.  We also have live events a few times each year.  Currently we're planning a physical museum in Wall Township, N.J., and we're also planning to host a "light" version of the famous Vintage Computer Festival (vintage.org) next spring.

 

Any questions?  Just ask!

 

-- Evan Koblentz, a.k.a. "club prez because no one else was dumb enough to take the gig"

---

From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com [mailto:midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jtkirk1337
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 5:14 PM
To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [midatlanticretro] starting out

Hi.
I'm a newbie here, and I have no collection. I am also probably one of
the youngest here (16). The closest thing I have right now to a
vintage computer is an NES system. Can anyone recommend a place where
I can aquire some computers from to try and start off? I have been
interested in vintage computers for around 4 years, but never really
got into it.

Thanks

Joe,

Part of my collection is early DOS "near compatibles", like a Zenith Z-100.
Someone was giving the computer away. My rarest find is a Seattle Gazelle
(S-100 bus, runs DOS, uses an external ASCII terminal) that a guy in New
Hampshire was giving away. Free is my favorite price, although the drive up
and back from NH took about 8 hours. Every Thursday or Friday (it varies in
different areas) grab the local newspaper and look thru the garage/yard/tag
sale ads for computers. Then on Saturday, get on your horse and hit every one
of thoses garage sales. The later in the day that you get there, the more
likely they are to give you the computer just to get rid of it.

Go for it. This is the fun part.

Jim

--- Joe Giliberti <starbase89@...> wrote:

> Jim Scheef wrote:
>
> > Hi back,
> >
> > You didn't give your name.
> >
> > Both of the other replies have been sage advice. I'll add a suggestion
> > to not
> > worry so much about what's rare or old but rather collect what you like.
> I
> > like my old computers to work, meaning that they can do more than just
> > turn
> > on and glow in the dark, but can do real, useful tasks. This means
> > that most
> > of what I collect is newer than what many of the others here call
> > 'vintage'.
> > Tonite I was bidding on eBay for a laptop that most people here would not
> > even consider collectible. I didn't win because there were at least ten
> > others bidding for the same item. For me, part of the collecting fun is
> > finding bargans. So if what you like is playing video games, collect game
> > consoles and the games that make them fun. Game consoles and old home
> > computers are often given away at garage/yard/tag sales.
> >
> > BTW, what is an NES system?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --- jtkirk1337 <starbase89@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi.
> > > I'm a newbie here, and I have no collection. I am also probably one of
> > > the youngest here (16). The closest thing I have right now to a
> > > vintage computer is an NES system. Can anyone recommend a place where
> > > I can aquire some computers from to try and start off? I have been
> > > interested in vintage computers for around 4 years, but never really
> > > got into it.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > SPONSORED LINKS
> > Vintage computer
> >
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Vintage+computer&w1=Vintage+computer&w2=Field+trip&w3=Computer+security&w4=Computer+training&c=4&s=84&.sig=t9pasmT32p-p2BvQtk8vAw>
>
> >       Field trip
> >
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Field+trip&w1=Vintage+computer&w2=Field+trip&w3=Computer+security&w4=Computer+training&c=4&s=84&.sig=Et_lpqgaXhbeqtlUXREsiw>
>
> >       Computer security
> >
>
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>
> >
> > Computer training
> >
>
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> >
> NES is Nintendo Entertainment System. My name is Joe, by the way. I'm
> mainly interested in Apples, Amigas, Ataris, and Commodores. And I would
> want to have them working. I wouldn't pay for just a showpiece. My
> budget is too tight. An older luggable, maybe an SX-64 or a Kaypro would
> be cool.
>
>

Joe,

 

Welcome to our hobby and club!

 

How did you learn about us?  Where in the mid-atlantic region do you live?

 

Who am I: Besides running MARCH, I'm also the editor of Computer Collector Newsletter, which has worldwide readership.

 

Anyway, you'll find that most collectors either get a little of everything and anything, or they pick a specialty and become experts in it.  For example, I chose the latter route -- I collect vintage handhelds and laptops almost exclusively.

 

I suggest that you join the mailing list called "cctalk" based at www.classiccmp.org -- that's the largest global mailing list for the hobby.  You can also use the web forum at www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum, which in addition has classified ads.  Other ads are at www.vintagecomputermarketplace.com, and you should buy Michael Nadeau's book "Collectible Microcomputers", both as noted by Bill Degnan.  And as you found, the site www.old-computers.com is a great online encyclopedia.

 

Keep in mind that there's much more to collect besides microcomputers.  Many people get into minicomputers, and many people keep into the various kinds of software, chips, literature/books, I/O devices, storage, etc.

 

As for MARCH, we have members all over the region, and spanning the whole range of vintage computing interests.  We also have live events a few times each year.  Currently we're planning a physical museum in Wall Township, N.J., and we're also planning to host a "light" version of the famous Vintage Computer Festival (vintage.org) next spring.

 

Any questions?  Just ask!

 

-- Evan Koblentz, a.k.a. "club prez because no one else was dumb enough to take the gig"

---

From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com [mailto:midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jtkirk1337
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 5:14 PM
To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [midatlanticretro] starting out

Hi.
I'm a newbie here, and I have no collection. I am also probably one of
the youngest here (16). The closest thing I have right now to a
vintage computer is an NES system. Can anyone recommend a place where
I can aquire some computers from to try and start off? I have been
interested in vintage computers for around 4 years, but never really
got into it.

Thanks