Bill,

Do you need a beta tester?

Jim

--- billdeg@... wrote:

> The March inventory program is done in a basic form, I have to test it and
> then do the layout/tweeking.
> Bill
>

MARCH frequently asked questions

1. I'm a nerd and live somewhere between New York and Virginia, yet I
never heard of you before.

That's because we are new.  We began in early 2005.

2. What does MARCH mean?

We're "Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists" -- an informal club /
user group for fans of vintage computers. Our online home is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/ -- we chose Yahoo not
because of its technical superiority (LOL!) but because it is
accessible to the masses.

3. Just how informal?

Informal enough that we have no officers and charge no dues, but not
so informal that we lack a mission.

4. What is this mission of which you speak?

Our mission is simply to bring together local collectors, both offline
and online, for fun and information sharing.

5. By 'vintage' do you mean, like, this old junky 486 in my closet?

No.  Someday that might be the case, but for now, no.  We mean the old
and not-so-junky Apple II hidden behind your 486.  We also mean your
Northstar Horizon, DEC PDP-11, Xerox Alto, Commodore Vic-20, and --
well you get the idea.  There used to be "the 10 year rule" saying
"it's vintage if it's more than 10 years old" but now that could mean
Windows 95 and Pentiums, and we definitely do NOT mean those.
Nowadays, "vintage" for computer collectors means (more or less)
anything from the pre-286 era.  Well, a copy of Windows 1.0 is vintage
software I guess.  But in general, if it runs Windows, we're not
interested.  That is NOT a function of being inherently anti-
Microsoft.  It's a function of Windows simply not being obsolete yet.
We can hope.  ;)

6. I still don't get it.  Where can I learn more about what's vintage?

Many places.  Pick up a copy of the book "Collectible Microcomputers"
by Michael Nadeau.  Or for non-micro aspects, go online.  Heck, go
online anyway.  Check out the classiccmp.org mailing lists; the
Vintage Computer Festival (vintage.org); old-computers.com; and many,
many, many others.

7. Where can I buy/sell/trade old computers?

If you're in the mid-Atlantic region, than please try the "Virtual
Swap Meet" table in our Yahoo group database.  Otherwise, try Sellam
Ismail's site ( http://vintagecomputermarketplace.org ) or Erik Klein's site
( http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum ) or as a last resort, eBay.

8. Okay, let's say I am interested in joining MARCH.  How?

Just post a friendly message to our boards introducing yourself.
Include your name, where you're from in the region, and what you
collect.  Presto!  You're joined.

9. That's cool.  So what do you geeks actually DO here?

We're currently figuring that out.  Our first offline event was a
vintage computers exhibit at the 30th Trenton Computer Festival.

10. What is the Trenton Computer Festival?

A 30-year-old show open to the public.  It is held at The College of
New Jersey, formerly known as Trenton State College, in Ewing, NJ.
This year it was on April 16-17.  Please see tcf-nj.org for more
information.

11. Who's me?

Sorry.  I'm Evan Koblentz.  A fellow big nerd.  I'm in central NJ.
You can reach me at evan947@....

12. Okay, ummm, so what else will MARCH do?

We have a few ideas.  We will probably have multiple swap meets.  We
may be hosting future, regional iterations of the already famous
Vintage Computer Festival.  We might even run our own museum, in
conjunction with the NJ Antique Radio Club -- see infoage.org.

14. MARCH is primarily a Jersey thing?

No.  It's just a coincidence.  We have members all around, from
upstate New York to central Pennsylvania to Virginia.  We will plan
our future events all over the area.

15. I have some other question not on this FAQ.

Okay.  Tell us what it is.  Do so again by posting to our message
boards or pinging me offline.

Hasn't article 3 changed just a bit?

-----Original Message-----
From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 8/1/2005 3:57 PM
Subject: [midatlanticretro] File - marchfaq.txt


MARCH frequently asked questions
<SNIP>

3. Just how informal?

Informal enough that we have no officers and charge no dues, but not
so informal that we lack a mission.

Evan et al:
What size of display should we think about bringing? I'm thinking about a
6000, a DT-1 terminal, and a model 4 or 4p. Maybe the 100/102/200 series
also. Phew. Getting big again.

Any thoughts? I'm guessing we should keep it small, but how small?

Thanks, and sorry if this has been covered already.

73 de Kelly
KB2SYD

It would be appreciated if we could assign table space in advance.
bd

In a message dated 8/1/2005 4:25:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
evan947@... writes:

> No more than two or three systems per person.  (I don't know the size of our
>  Aug. 13 room.)

In <f5.5675a1db.301d776f@...>, on 07/30/05 at 08:38 PM,
    billdeg@... said:



>The last vintage Apple was the IIGS.  There is no such thing as a vintage
>MAC. And while we're at it, the IBM AT or newer is not vintage, any
>Amigas are not  vintage.  It does not matter how many years go by, MAC's
>will never be  vintage computers.  There is no sliding time scale where
>each year a new set of  machines becomes vintage.  In short, the vintage
>era ended for new machine models  that were first released no later than
>1987, and mostly before 1985.

>That does not mean that I don't save newer interesting computers however,
>I  just don't call them "vintage".

>Will the 1987 Plymough Sundance become a vintage car someday?  I think
>not.

>And for making such statements I am standing behind the chicken wire so
>feel  free to throw your beer bottles at will.  I expect differences in
>opinion.

>Thank you very much.


Though I agree there that a lot of stuff out there will never be of great
value, I wouldn't discount all IBM stuff.  I remember the guy who wrote
the original documentation for the original IBM PC.  They gave him the
very first PC ever made to write it on.  I asked what happened to that
machine and he said he didn't know, but assumed it was junked when they
replaced it with a newer model.  Can you imagine the value of the very
first IBM PC?  I know you said AT or newer, but there are some machines
after that that also might be of interest to collectors.

There is a very active group of IBM PS/2 collectors.  They fiercely defend
the PS/2 as one of the best computers ever made.  I'm not a collector
myself, but those machines were definitely better built than anything that
has come since.  I'm about to acquire an IBM PowerPC PS/2 machine from the
mid-90s, which was when IBM and Apple were still collaborating on what was
viewed as the replacement for the Intel based PCs.  It was supposed to run
IBM OS/2 and Apple's MacOS on the same hardware.  That particular product
line pretty much died before it was birthed, so there are only a few of
the original CHRP machines around, and though IBM officially released OS/2
Warp Power PC, they buried it so deep that it was almost impossible to
get.  So you can readily locate PowerPC machines today (IBM still uses PPC
chips in its AIX, AS400 and I'm told some mainframes, Apple is still using
PowerPC in their Macs, until they switch to Intel sometime later this
year, also most game systems use PPC CPUs like the GameCube and the
Playstation), these original machines should be highly valued.


Mark


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Roosevelt, Message proposing the Monopoly Investigation, 1938

Hi folks,

VCF's Sellam Ismail asks if anyone from our group would pack and ship some
Apple II clones and other gear for him.  The loot is currently in Blackwood,
NJ (a bit south of Cherry Hill).  In exchange, he's offering a free VCF
t-shirt and he'll pick up your admission to any VCF event (which is VCF 8
this fall or our VCF East 3.0 next spring).  He also says the helper can
keep the monitors from the stash in question.  Of course, he will reimburse
the S/H costs.

What's to be packed and shipped:

- Three luggables
- a box of disks
- external hard drives
- box of miscellany

See photo here:

http://www.siconic.com/computers/franklin2.jpg

    - Evan

Evan <evan947@...> wrote :

> Hi folks,
>
> VCF's Sellam Ismail asks if anyone from our group would pack and ship some
> Apple II clones and other gear for him.  The loot is currently in
Blackwood,
> NJ (a bit south of Cherry Hill).  In exchange, he's offering a free VCF
> t-shirt and he'll pick up your admission to any VCF event (which is VCF 8
> this fall or our VCF East 3.0 next spring).  He also says the helper can
> keep the monitors from the stash in question.  Of course, he will
reimburse
> the S/H costs.
>
> What's to be packed and shipped:
>
> - Three luggables
> - a box of disks
> - external hard drives
> - box of miscellany
>
> See photo here:

That fellow kept trying to sell it all to ex-Franklin people, but nobody
would bite.  I worked on all the equipment in the pile and expressed an
interest, but wouldn't give firm prices.  Other Apple-clone guys (Ernest
at apple2clones.com) was also very interested.  This fellow picked up all
the stuff at the famous Franklin "yard sale" at the disco.

If anyone wants to lead the project, I'll volunteer to assist.  It'll be
fun to see all this stuff again.  All of the portables are Franklin CXs,
a "portable" machine that could read many different disk formats, ran
CP/M as well as FDOS (Franklin's much-improved DOS), etc.

Hey Bob Grieb, are you interested?  You worked on the CXs, right?

Bob


___________________________________
NOCC, http://nocc.sourceforge.net

In, on 08/02/05 at 12:17 AM,
    "Evan" <evan947@...> said:



>>>>  Can you imagine the value of the very first IBM PC?
>
>We certainly can, and it's not high as you might think.  The original IBM
>PC - aka the Model 5150 - is worth about $50-$150 depending on condition,
>according to Mike Nadeau's book "Collectible Microcomputers".  The book
>is a year or two old, but the price is fairly steady.
>

My point was not that it was an original IBM PC, but it was THE original
IBM PC. The very first one.  That puppy lead to the most successful
computer introduction ever.  IBM had predicted a total life sales of about
275,000 over 5 years for the PC.  They had about 500,000 sold before it
was even officially announced.  And now IBM is out of the PC business.


>I believe most people in the PS/2 universe, and elsewhere in x86-land,
>still consider themselves "users" more than "collectors".
>
>An original PS/2 - which I hope you're not paying any more than about $50
>for in great condition - might be considered really vintage and
>collectible in another couple of years for its 20th
>anniversary.

I agree.  Though there was just a model 55SX on eBay that was still in the
original shipping box, never used.  It had been in a computer dealer's
storage for about 15 years.  That I was willing to go as high as $150
before I gave up.  At $150 I thought it was way too high, however I'm
looking for vintage PS/2's for a specific reason, but some collectors are
just plain nuts. ;-)

Mark


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  Warpstock 2005, Hershey, Pennsylvania, October 6 - 9, 2005 
http://www.warpstock.org
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For a choice in the future of personal computing, Join VOICE -
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private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State
itself.   That in it's essence, is Fascism - ownership of government by an
individual, by a group or by any controlling private power." Franklin Delano
Roosevelt, Message proposing the Monopoly Investigation, 1938

Could we change "New York" to "Connecticut"? :-)

Jim

--- midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
> MARCH frequently asked questions
>
> 1. I'm a nerd and live somewhere between New York and Virginia, yet I
> never heard of you before.
>
> That's because we are new.  We began in early 2005.
>
> 2. What does MARCH mean?
>
> We're "Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists" -- an informal club /
> user group for fans of vintage computers. Our online home is
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/ -- we chose Yahoo not
> because of its technical superiority (LOL!) but because it is
> accessible to the masses.
>
> 3. Just how informal?
>
> Informal enough that we have no officers and charge no dues, but not
> so informal that we lack a mission.
>
> 4. What is this mission of which you speak?
>
> Our mission is simply to bring together local collectors, both offline
> and online, for fun and information sharing.
>
> 5. By 'vintage' do you mean, like, this old junky 486 in my closet?
>
> No.  Someday that might be the case, but for now, no.  We mean the old
> and not-so-junky Apple II hidden behind your 486.  We also mean your
> Northstar Horizon, DEC PDP-11, Xerox Alto, Commodore Vic-20, and --
> well you get the idea.  There used to be "the 10 year rule" saying
> "it's vintage if it's more than 10 years old" but now that could mean
> Windows 95 and Pentiums, and we definitely do NOT mean those.
> Nowadays, "vintage" for computer collectors means (more or less)
> anything from the pre-286 era.  Well, a copy of Windows 1.0 is vintage
> software I guess.  But in general, if it runs Windows, we're not
> interested.  That is NOT a function of being inherently anti-
> Microsoft.  It's a function of Windows simply not being obsolete yet.
> We can hope.  ;)
>
> 6. I still don't get it.  Where can I learn more about what's vintage?
>
> Many places.  Pick up a copy of the book "Collectible Microcomputers"
> by Michael Nadeau.  Or for non-micro aspects, go online.  Heck, go
> online anyway.  Check out the classiccmp.org mailing lists; the
> Vintage Computer Festival (vintage.org); old-computers.com; and many,
> many, many others.
>
> 7. Where can I buy/sell/trade old computers?
>
> If you're in the mid-Atlantic region, than please try the "Virtual
> Swap Meet" table in our Yahoo group database.  Otherwise, try Sellam
> Ismail's site ( http://vintagecomputermarketplace.org ) or Erik Klein's
> site
> ( http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum ) or as a last resort, eBay.
>
> 8. Okay, let's say I am interested in joining MARCH.  How?
>
> Just post a friendly message to our boards introducing yourself.
> Include your name, where you're from in the region, and what you
> collect.  Presto!  You're joined.
>
> 9. That's cool.  So what do you geeks actually DO here?
>
> We're currently figuring that out.  Our first offline event was a
> vintage computers exhibit at the 30th Trenton Computer Festival.
>
> 10. What is the Trenton Computer Festival?
>
> A 30-year-old show open to the public.  It is held at The College of
> New Jersey, formerly known as Trenton State College, in Ewing, NJ.
> This year it was on April 16-17.  Please see tcf-nj.org for more
> information.
>
> 11. Who's me?
>
> Sorry.  I'm Evan Koblentz.  A fellow big nerd.  I'm in central NJ.
> You can reach me at evan947@....
>
> 12. Okay, ummm, so what else will MARCH do?
>
> We have a few ideas.  We will probably have multiple swap meets.  We
> may be hosting future, regional iterations of the already famous
> Vintage Computer Festival.  We might even run our own museum, in
> conjunction with the NJ Antique Radio Club -- see infoage.org.
>
> 14. MARCH is primarily a Jersey thing?
>
> No.  It's just a coincidence.  We have members all around, from
> upstate New York to central Pennsylvania to Virginia.  We will plan
> our future events all over the area.
>
> 15. I have some other question not on this FAQ.
>
> Okay.  Tell us what it is.  Do so again by posting to our message
> boards or pinging me offline.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Evan

To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:53 AM

Subject: RE: [midatlanticretro] what is considered a vintage apple computer?

I'm confused.  Do mean "THE original" as in IBM PC, serial number 1, or do you mean a machine like the 5100, which was IBM's first microcomputer long before the "PC" series?

 

If it's the former, serial number 1, then it should reside in a museum -- like ours, since we'll be the nearest computer museum to IBM headquarters in Armonk, NY.

---

From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com [mailto:midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of madodel@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:09 AM
To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [midatlanticretro] what is considered a vintage apple computer?

In, on 08/02/05 at 12:17 AM,
   "Evan" <evan947@...> said:



>>>>  Can you imagine the value of the very first IBM PC?
>
>We certainly can, and it's not high as you might think.  The original IBM
>PC - aka the Model 5150 - is worth about $50-$150 depending on condition,
>according to Mike Nadeau's book "Collectible Microcomputers".  The book
>is a year or two old, but the price is fairly steady.
>

My point was not that it was an original IBM PC, but it was THE original
IBM PC. The very first one.  That puppy lead to the most successful
computer introduction ever.  IBM had predicted a total life sales of about
275,000 over 5 years for the PC.  They had about 500,000 sold before it
was even officially announced.  And now IBM is out of the PC business.


>I believe most people in the PS/2 universe, and elsewhere in x86-land,
>still consider themselves "users" more than "collectors".
>
>An original PS/2 - which I hope you're not paying any more than about $50
>for in great condition - might be considered really vintage and
>collectible in another couple of years for its 20th
>anniversary.

I agree.  Though there was just a model 55SX on eBay that was still in the
original shipping box, never used.  It had been in a computer dealer's
storage for about 15 years.  That I was willing to go as high as $150
before I gave up.  At $150 I thought it was way too high, however I'm
looking for vintage PS/2's for a specific reason, but some collectors are
just plain nuts. ;-) 

Mark


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----- Original Message -----

From: Evan

To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:53 AM

Subject: RE: [midatlanticretro] what is considered a vintage apple computer?

I'm confused.  Do mean "THE original" as in IBM PC, serial number 1, or do you mean a machine like the 5100, which was IBM's first microcomputer long before the "PC" series?

 

If it's the former, serial number 1, then it should reside in a museum -- like ours, since we'll be the nearest computer museum to IBM headquarters in Armonk, NY.

---

From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com [mailto:midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of madodel@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:09 AM
To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [midatlanticretro] what is considered a vintage apple computer?

In, on 08/02/05 at 12:17 AM,
   "Evan" <evan947@...> said:



>>>>  Can you imagine the value of the very first IBM PC?
>
>We certainly can, and it's not high as you might think.  The original IBM
>PC - aka the Model 5150 - is worth about $50-$150 depending on condition,
>according to Mike Nadeau's book "Collectible Microcomputers".  The book
>is a year or two old, but the price is fairly steady.
>

My point was not that it was an original IBM PC, but it was THE original
IBM PC. The very first one.  That puppy lead to the most successful
computer introduction ever.  IBM had predicted a total life sales of about
275,000 over 5 years for the PC.  They had about 500,000 sold before it
was even officially announced.  And now IBM is out of the PC business.


>I believe most people in the PS/2 universe, and elsewhere in x86-land,
>still consider themselves "users" more than "collectors".
>
>An original PS/2 - which I hope you're not paying any more than about $50
>for in great condition - might be considered really vintage and
>collectible in another couple of years for its 20th
>anniversary.

I agree.  Though there was just a model 55SX on eBay that was still in the
original shipping box, never used.  It had been in a computer dealer's
storage for about 15 years.  That I was willing to go as high as $150
before I gave up.  At $150 I thought it was way too high, however I'm
looking for vintage PS/2's for a specific reason, but some collectors are
just plain nuts. ;-) 

Mark


--

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Evan,

Stop thinking regional.

Jim

--- Evan <evan947@...> wrote:

> Will do, sorry.  When I wrote that, I was thinking of Connecticut as New
> England, not Mid-Atlantic.
>
>   _____
>
> From: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Scheef
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:52 AM
> To: midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [midatlanticretro] File - marchfaq.txt
>
>
> Could we change "New York" to "Connecticut"? :-)
>
> Jim
>
> --- midatlanticretro@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> >
> > MARCH frequently asked questions
> >
> > 1. I'm a nerd and live somewhere between New York and Virginia, yet I
> > never heard of you before.
> >
> > That's because we are new.  We began in early 2005.
> >
> > 2. What does MARCH mean?
> >
> > We're "Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists" -- an informal club /
> > user group for fans of vintage computers. Our online home is
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/ -- we chose Yahoo not
> > because of its technical superiority (LOL!) but because it is
> > accessible to the masses.
> >
> > 3. Just how informal?
> >
> > Informal enough that we have no officers and charge no dues, but not
> > so informal that we lack a mission.
> >
> > 4. What is this mission of which you speak?
> >
> > Our mission is simply to bring together local collectors, both offline
> > and online, for fun and information sharing.
> >
> > 5. By 'vintage' do you mean, like, this old junky 486 in my closet?
> >
> > No.  Someday that might be the case, but for now, no.  We mean the old
> > and not-so-junky Apple II hidden behind your 486.  We also mean your
> > Northstar Horizon, DEC PDP-11, Xerox Alto, Commodore Vic-20, and --
> > well you get the idea.  There used to be "the 10 year rule" saying
> > "it's vintage if it's more than 10 years old" but now that could mean
> > Windows 95 and Pentiums, and we definitely do NOT mean those.
> > Nowadays, "vintage" for computer collectors means (more or less)
> > anything from the pre-286 era.  Well, a copy of Windows 1.0 is vintage
> > software I guess.  But in general, if it runs Windows, we're not
> > interested.  That is NOT a function of being inherently anti-
> > Microsoft.  It's a function of Windows simply not being obsolete yet.
> > We can hope.  ;)
> >
> > 6. I still don't get it.  Where can I learn more about what's vintage?
> >
> > Many places.  Pick up a copy of the book "Collectible Microcomputers"
> > by Michael Nadeau.  Or for non-micro aspects, go online.  Heck, go
> > online anyway.  Check out the classiccmp.org mailing lists; the
> > Vintage Computer Festival (vintage.org); old-computers.com; and many,
> > many, many others.
> >
> > 7. Where can I buy/sell/trade old computers?
> >
> > If you're in the mid-Atlantic region, than please try the "Virtual
> > Swap Meet" table in our Yahoo group database.  Otherwise, try Sellam
> > Ismail's site ( http://vintagecomputermarketplace.org ) or Erik Klein's
> > site
> > ( http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum ) or as a last resort, eBay.
> >
> > 8. Okay, let's say I am interested in joining MARCH.  How?
> >
> > Just post a friendly message to our boards introducing yourself.
> > Include your name, where you're from in the region, and what you
> > collect.  Presto!  You're joined.
> >
> > 9. That's cool.  So what do you geeks actually DO here?
> >
> > We're currently figuring that out.  Our first offline event was a
> > vintage computers exhibit at the 30th Trenton Computer Festival.
> >
> > 10. What is the Trenton Computer Festival?
> >
> > A 30-year-old show open to the public.  It is held at The College of
> > New Jersey, formerly known as Trenton State College, in Ewing, NJ.
> > This year it was on April 16-17.  Please see tcf-nj.org for more
> > information.
> >
> > 11. Who's me?
> >
> > Sorry.  I'm Evan Koblentz.  A fellow big nerd.  I'm in central NJ.
> > You can reach me at evan947@....
> >
> > 12. Okay, ummm, so what else will MARCH do?
> >
> > We have a few ideas.  We will probably have multiple swap meets.  We
> > may be hosting future, regional iterations of the already famous
> > Vintage Computer Festival.  We might even run our own museum, in
> > conjunction with the NJ Antique Radio Club -- see infoage.org.
> >
> > 14. MARCH is primarily a Jersey thing?
> >
> > No.  It's just a coincidence.  We have members all around, from
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In, on 08/02/05 at 08:53 AM,
    "Evan" <evan947@...> said:



>I'm confused.  Do mean "THE original" as in IBM PC, serial number 1, or
>do you mean a machine like the 5100, which was IBM's first microcomputer
>long before the "PC" series?
>
>If it's the former, serial number 1, then it should reside in a museum --
>like ours, since we'll be the nearest computer museum to IBM headquarters
>in Armonk, NY.

According to David Both, it was the very first IBM PC off the assembly
line.  They gave it to him so he could figure out what documentation it
needed.

Mark

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Regarding the IBM PC, it was manufactured over a 6 year span. There
were quite a few changes during the production run. Hence, there are a
LOT of them floating about, mostly worth nil, especially "B" models. I
had examples of all of them. The first general production run had 16Kb
(RAM) motherboards; the power supply and rear panels were painted
black; and the 8080 CPU had a bug (shades of the much later Pentium).
THOSE are the coolest and actually valuable PC's. The rest?....

An interesting aside: a fellow I know who worked for IBM in Australia
says the power supplies were always blowing up....the early ones
didn't get the power supply quite right. Bill/KA3AIS

Just what is an Atari 65XL? A friend pulled one out of garage and told
me to find a home for it.
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