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RE: [microlights] Re: BMAA Fighting Fund

I am today contacting the a leading expert in the formal analysis of aviation
accident reports, Professor Peter B.Ladkin PhD, to see if he can venture an
opinion on the quality of the AAIB report.

He heads up the RVS Group at Bielefeld University's Faculty of Technology (in
german: AG RVS - Arbeitsgruppe Rechnernetze und Verteilte Systeme) which was
established on January 1, 1995.

The RVS Group performs research and teaching in:

- Failure analysis and accident analysis of complex, heterogeneous, open systems
- System safety analysis and forward engineering
- Specification and verification of system requirements, designs and
implementations
- Computer and telecommunications networking, particularly practical security

Peter Ladkin is the developer of the formal and semi-formal failure and accident
method Why-Because-Analysis (WBA), which has been used to analyse commercial
aviation and railway accidents, as well as a friendly-fire accident and a cruise
ship grounding, and computer security incidents. The group proposes Ontological
Analysis, which incorporates causal system analysis, for safety requirements
elicitation, specification and analysis.

Have a look at their Computer-Related Incidents with Commercial Aircraft page at
http://www.rvs.uni-bielefeld.de/publications/compendium/incidents_and_accidents/\
index.html


While it is not my place to perhaps suggest this, maybe the funds we do have
available could be used to consult this most expert of all expert witnesses.

Rob

_________________________________________________
Rob Hill
Chief Inspector / Chief Safety Officer

British Microlight Aircraft Association
Bullring, Deddington, Banbury, Oxon OX15 0TT

Tel: +44 1869 336003
Fax: +44 1869 337116


-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Croney [mailto:petecroney@...]
Sent: 31 January 2006 12:14
To: microlights@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [microlights] Re: BMAA Fighting Fund


Rick

I don't dissagree with what you have said and I agree that it would be
wrong to spend the entire fund on any single cause.

The fund, as far as I can tell, has no defined boundaries. It is
called the BMAA Members Fighting Fund and is there to fight for things
affecting BMAA members. This is one such thing and is a valid
conduit for *some* of the fund.

I do not attempt to decide how much.

Pete


--- In microlights@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Goddin" <goddin@b...> wrote:
>
> Without Prejudice
>
> Pete
>
> I am not sure what determines whether the BMAA fighting fund should
> be used for a particular purpose. It was always my belief, though,
> that it was set up to deal with threats to microlighting at a sort
> of macro level, perhaps to fight legislation or proposed regulations
> or to pay for research perhaps, in support of a particular line of
> enquiry. If for instance we needed to spend funds on research to
> help refute the case for transponders I would see that as a valid
> application.
>
> I am very uneasy about applying the whole of the fund, or even a
> major part of it, to an individual case which may but IMHO is
> unlikely to be significant in the longer term for the future of
> microlighting. I personally believe that we will not lose our
> inspector network although, as I said earlier, I also think that
> inspectors will be even more thorough in the future. This will
> probably mean that inspections may take three times as long, will
> find more faults and we should be prepared to pay accordingly.
>
> The fighting fund needs to continue to hold funds in reserve for
> macro level threats. However worthy the present cause seems to be
> the right way of supporting it is through individual subscription.
>
> Rick Goddin
>






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Without Prejudice Pete I am not sure what determines whether the BMAA fighting fund should be used for a particular purpose. It was always my belief, though, ...
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Rick I don't dissagree with what you have said and I agree that it would be wrong to spend the entire fund on any single cause. The fund, as far as I can tell,...
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I am today contacting the a leading expert in the formal analysis of aviation accident reports, Professor Peter B.Ladkin PhD, to see if he can venture an...
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Rob I haven't spoken to Jeremy or Kev, but I am sure they would have no problems with Prof Ladkin reading our analysis of the report. I certainly do not. I...
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... [snip] ... We can't let this go unmarked! Welcome to the BMAA, and to the Bear Pit that is the Microlight E- group. You've arrived in 'interesting times' -...
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Well spotted Joan, Hear Hear! Paul ... From: microlights@yahoogroups.com [mailto:microlights@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joan Sent: 01 February 2006 09:02 ...
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Six months ago I raised the prospect of the BMAA allocating some of the monies in the BMAA Fighting Fund to help John Whelan's defence costs. At the time JW...
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When I read this in MF, I was worried as well. However as I have never contributed to it I did not feel that I had the right to say where it should be spent. I...
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... <A reasonable observation about the use (or misuse) of the BMAA Fighting Fund, snipped for the brevity police> I haven't yet got my copy of MF, so can only...
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Jeremy I will let you read the article in MF. I accepted the refusal, gracefully, on the grounds of what Keith and Chris sad about the fund. I don't accept...
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... *Funny old situation Pete; I once had a massive offlist bollocking from Chris Finn, furious at my being critical about the apparent weakness shown by...
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