1. Indecision is the key to flexibility.
2. There is absolutely no substitute for a genuine lack
of preparation.
3. Happiness is merely the remission of pain.
4. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
5. The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant.
6. The careful application of terror is also a form of
communication.
7. Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast
to the real world.
8. Things are more like they are today then they have
ever been before.
9. Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty
for.
10. Everything should be made as simple as possible but
no simpler.
11. Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.
12. I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
13. Suicide is the most sincere form of self-criticism.
14. If you think that there is good in everybody, you
haven't met everybody.
15. All things being equal, fat people use more soap.
16. If you can smile when things go wrong, you have
someone in mind to blame.
17. One-seventh of your life is spent on Monday.
18. By the time you can make ends meet, they move the
ends.
19. Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that
life is serious.
20. There is always one more imbecile than you counted
on.
21. Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the
pig likes it.

Dear Members (and lurkers:-),
I mentioned previously that we get lots of emails dealing with
meditation. I'm posting a sample of one type that came in this
morning, that claims to have "The Truth". We have received lots of
similar ones, and if you guys feel it would be beneficial, I'll post
some of them, and continue to do so.
Peace and blessings,
Bob

DEAR READERS,
IN MY PERSONAL SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH I HAVE FOUND THAT THE TRUTH IS IN
YOURSELF. BEING INTO AN JOB AS A SAILOR I HAD TRAVELLED ALL OVER THE
WORLD KNOWN ALL PEOPLE AND TRIED TO FIND OUT THE INNER MEANINGS TO
EXISTENCE. BUT I FOUND IT IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF HIMALYAS IN MY HOME TOWN
IN INDIA.
ONCE THE BLISS HAS DAWNED ON YOU THERE COMES A FEELING OF SPREADING IT
AND THATS WHAT I WANT TO DO.
BEFORE EXPLAINING WHAT MEDITATION ACTUALLY IS AND WHAT CAN LEAD TO
ENLIGHTENMENT I WANT YOU TO SHED ALL PREASSUMED KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT.
AS UNDERSTAND ONE THING VERY CLEARLY- MEDITATION IS AN EXPERIENCE,ITS
NOT SOMETHING TO BE KNOWN -I CAN LEAD YOU TO THE DOOR BUT ONLY YOU CAN
ENTER. PLEASE UNDERSTAND WELL-MEDITATION CANNOT BE KNOWN IF YOU ARE
LEARNING MEDITATION THEN YOU ARE ON THE WRONG PATH,YOU CANNOT LEARN
IT-IT HAS TO BE AN EXPERIENCE. IT WILL BE MY EFORTS TO LEAD YOU TO
IT.ONLY YOU HAVE TO BE READY.
IN THIS FIRST STEP OF NOTES I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IN AN MOST
EASY WAY WHAT I HAVE KNOWN SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND- IN THE
CONVERSATION THAT FOLLOWS I HAVE TRIED TO CONVEY THE KNOWLEDGE THAT
HAS BEEN CONVEYED TO ME. REMEMBER KNOWLEDGE IS A RIVER EVERFLOWING ALL
AROUND AND I AM ONLY A SOURCE THROUGH WHICH IT HAS CHOSEN TO FLOW.
HERE I HAVE TRIED TO ASSURE YOU THE EXISTENCE OF THE HIGHER SELF SO
YOUR SEARCH FOR THE INNER SELF STRENGTHENS
I AM SURE SOME OF YOU ARE WELL VERSED WITH THE WORD "BRAHMAN" IF NOT
THEN IT MEANS ALL OF CREATION AND ALL EXISTENCE IRRESPECTIVE OF THE
FACT THAT YOU CAN PERCIEVE IT OR NOT.

        TALKS WITH BRAHMAN(answerer here)


Q WHO ARE YOU
A I AM WHAT YOU SEE AND PERCIEVE
Q WHO AM I
A ALL THAT YOU KNOW YOU ARE
Q DO YOU EXIST IN ME
A YES AND NO
Q DO I EXIST IN YOU
A YES AND NO
Q IF I CLOSE MY EYES I CANNOT SEE YOU
A TRUE
Q IF I CLOSE ALL MY SENSE OF PERCEPTION THEN I CANT PERCIEVE YOU
A TRUE
Q THEN FOR ME YOU ARE MY PERCEPTION
A TRUE
Q WHY DO I BREATHE
A TO LIVE
Q WHY DO I LIVE
A BECAUSE YOU ARE ALIVE
Q WHY AM I ALIVE
A BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO CONCIEVED YOU
Q WHY DO I BREATHE
A YOU DONT
Q I DONT UNDERSTAND ?OKAY  DO I BREATHE
A NO YOU DONT
Q WHY DO YOU SAY SO WHEN I AM BREATHING?
A BECAUSE TO BREATHE IS NOT IN YOUR HANDS.WHEN YOU WERE BORN YOU
DID NOT DECIDE THAT I SHALL START BREATHING AND WHEN YOU ARE DYING
THEN ALSO YOU CANT SAY THAT NOW I SHALL STOP MY BREADTH.YOU CANNOT
SAY THAT NOW I SHALL STOP GREATHING AND LATER I WILL CONTINUE.
Q THEN WHO BREATHES
A THE ONE WHO LIVES
Q SO ,I UNDERSTOOD THAT I AM NOT BREATHING BUT THEN I DO LIVE?
A YES YOU LIVE BUT YOU ARE NOT BREATHING.
Q DO YOU EXIST AS I SEE YOU
A YES
Q YOU MEAN ALL THE STARS THE SUN THE PLANETS AND ALL THE THINGS DO
YOU EXIST AS THAT
A YES ALL THAT AND ALL THAT IS CONCIEVABLE TO YOU.BUT AGAIN I AM
ANSWERING THE QUESTION ONLY FOR YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
Q BUT FOR ME MY EXISTENCE IS WHAT MATTERS
A TRUE
Q SO AS LONG AS I EXIST YOU ARE THERE AND IF I DIE THEN YOU ALSO
CEASE TO EXIST
A TRUE BUT ONLY FOR YOU
Q SO LET ME CLEAR THIS THAT FOR INDIVIDUAL ME IF I LIVE THEN YOU
LIVE
A TRUE
Q AND FOR ME IF I DIE THEN YOU ALSO DIE
A TRUE
Q AND MY BIRTH AND DEATH IS NOT IN MY HANDS
A TRUE
Q SO WE CAN SAY THAT YOU LIVE THROUGH ME
A TRUE
Q WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DIE
A WHEN YOU LIVE, I LIVE THROUGH YOU AND WHEN YOU DIE ,YOU LIVE
THROUGH ME UNDERSTAND THIS WELL FOR THIS IS THE ESSENCE AND I
SHALL REPEAT AGAIN - WHEN YOU LIVE I LIVE THROUGH YOU AND WHEN YOU
DIE YOU LIVE THROUGH ME.



I HOPE THE ABOVE WILL BE OF IMMENSE VALUE TO ONE AND ALL WHO
WANTED TO CLEAR FEW BASIC DOUBTS.
  FOR ALL THOSE WHO WISH TO ATTAIN MORE DO NOT HESITATE TO MAIL
BACK. do tell your personal experiences of meditation so i can guide
you on the right path.
sheelinternational@...
ANYONE WHO READS THIS MAIL IS REQUESTED TO MAIL IT TO ALL WHO ARE
DESIROUS OF THE CAUSE AND HELP EVERYONE ATTAIN THE INNER SELF.

Oh sheesh! Not another one! :-)

Just can't get enough of these jerkwaters, eh Bob?

How many times I got to tell you, *experience* is not it!

You do the math! :-)

Judi



--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, medit8ionsociety
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Dear Members (and lurkers:-),
> I mentioned previously that we get lots of emails dealing with
> meditation. I'm posting a sample of one type that came in this
> morning, that claims to have "The Truth". We have received lots of
> similar ones, and if you guys feel it would be beneficial, I'll post
> some of them, and continue to do so.
> Peace and blessings,
> Bob
>
> DEAR READERS,
> IN MY PERSONAL SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH I HAVE FOUND THAT THE TRUTH IS
IN
> YOURSELF. BEING INTO AN JOB AS A SAILOR I HAD TRAVELLED ALL OVER THE
> WORLD KNOWN ALL PEOPLE AND TRIED TO FIND OUT THE INNER MEANINGS TO
> EXISTENCE. BUT I FOUND IT IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF HIMALYAS IN MY HOME
TOWN
> IN INDIA.
> ONCE THE BLISS HAS DAWNED ON YOU THERE COMES A FEELING OF SPREADING
IT
> AND THATS WHAT I WANT TO DO.
> BEFORE EXPLAINING WHAT MEDITATION ACTUALLY IS AND WHAT CAN LEAD TO
> ENLIGHTENMENT I WANT YOU TO SHED ALL PREASSUMED KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT.
> AS UNDERSTAND ONE THING VERY CLEARLY- MEDITATION IS AN
EXPERIENCE,ITS
> NOT SOMETHING TO BE KNOWN -I CAN LEAD YOU TO THE DOOR BUT ONLY YOU
CAN
> ENTER. PLEASE UNDERSTAND WELL-MEDITATION CANNOT BE KNOWN IF YOU ARE
> LEARNING MEDITATION THEN YOU ARE ON THE WRONG PATH,YOU CANNOT LEARN
> IT-IT HAS TO BE AN EXPERIENCE. IT WILL BE MY EFORTS TO LEAD YOU TO
> IT.ONLY YOU HAVE TO BE READY.
> IN THIS FIRST STEP OF NOTES I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IN AN
MOST
> EASY WAY WHAT I HAVE KNOWN SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND- IN THE
> CONVERSATION THAT FOLLOWS I HAVE TRIED TO CONVEY THE KNOWLEDGE THAT
> HAS BEEN CONVEYED TO ME. REMEMBER KNOWLEDGE IS A RIVER EVERFLOWING
ALL
> AROUND AND I AM ONLY A SOURCE THROUGH WHICH IT HAS CHOSEN TO FLOW.
> HERE I HAVE TRIED TO ASSURE YOU THE EXISTENCE OF THE HIGHER SELF SO
> YOUR SEARCH FOR THE INNER SELF STRENGTHENS
> I AM SURE SOME OF YOU ARE WELL VERSED WITH THE WORD "BRAHMAN" IF NOT
> THEN IT MEANS ALL OF CREATION AND ALL EXISTENCE IRRESPECTIVE OF THE
> FACT THAT YOU CAN PERCIEVE IT OR NOT.
>
>        TALKS WITH BRAHMAN(answerer here)
>
>
> Q WHO ARE YOU
> A I AM WHAT YOU SEE AND PERCIEVE
> Q WHO AM I
> A ALL THAT YOU KNOW YOU ARE
> Q DO YOU EXIST IN ME
> A YES AND NO
> Q DO I EXIST IN YOU
> A YES AND NO
> Q IF I CLOSE MY EYES I CANNOT SEE YOU
> A TRUE
> Q IF I CLOSE ALL MY SENSE OF PERCEPTION THEN I CANT PERCIEVE YOU
> A TRUE
> Q THEN FOR ME YOU ARE MY PERCEPTION
> A TRUE
> Q WHY DO I BREATHE
> A TO LIVE
> Q WHY DO I LIVE
> A BECAUSE YOU ARE ALIVE
> Q WHY AM I ALIVE
> A BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO CONCIEVED YOU
> Q WHY DO I BREATHE
> A YOU DONT
> Q I DONT UNDERSTAND ?OKAY  DO I BREATHE
> A NO YOU DONT
> Q WHY DO YOU SAY SO WHEN I AM BREATHING?
> A BECAUSE TO BREATHE IS NOT IN YOUR HANDS.WHEN YOU WERE BORN YOU
> DID NOT DECIDE THAT I SHALL START BREATHING AND WHEN YOU ARE DYING
> THEN ALSO YOU CANT SAY THAT NOW I SHALL STOP MY BREADTH.YOU CANNOT
> SAY THAT NOW I SHALL STOP GREATHING AND LATER I WILL CONTINUE.
> Q THEN WHO BREATHES
> A THE ONE WHO LIVES
> Q SO ,I UNDERSTOOD THAT I AM NOT BREATHING BUT THEN I DO LIVE?
> A YES YOU LIVE BUT YOU ARE NOT BREATHING.
> Q DO YOU EXIST AS I SEE YOU
> A YES
> Q YOU MEAN ALL THE STARS THE SUN THE PLANETS AND ALL THE THINGS DO
> YOU EXIST AS THAT
> A YES ALL THAT AND ALL THAT IS CONCIEVABLE TO YOU.BUT AGAIN I AM
> ANSWERING THE QUESTION ONLY FOR YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
> Q BUT FOR ME MY EXISTENCE IS WHAT MATTERS
> A TRUE
> Q SO AS LONG AS I EXIST YOU ARE THERE AND IF I DIE THEN YOU ALSO
> CEASE TO EXIST
> A TRUE BUT ONLY FOR YOU
> Q SO LET ME CLEAR THIS THAT FOR INDIVIDUAL ME IF I LIVE THEN YOU
> LIVE
> A TRUE
> Q AND FOR ME IF I DIE THEN YOU ALSO DIE
> A TRUE
> Q AND MY BIRTH AND DEATH IS NOT IN MY HANDS
> A TRUE
> Q SO WE CAN SAY THAT YOU LIVE THROUGH ME
> A TRUE
> Q WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DIE
> A WHEN YOU LIVE, I LIVE THROUGH YOU AND WHEN YOU DIE ,YOU LIVE
> THROUGH ME UNDERSTAND THIS WELL FOR THIS IS THE ESSENCE AND I
> SHALL REPEAT AGAIN - WHEN YOU LIVE I LIVE THROUGH YOU AND WHEN YOU
> DIE YOU LIVE THROUGH ME.
>
>
>
> I HOPE THE ABOVE WILL BE OF IMMENSE VALUE TO ONE AND ALL WHO
> WANTED TO CLEAR FEW BASIC DOUBTS.
>  FOR ALL THOSE WHO WISH TO ATTAIN MORE DO NOT HESITATE TO MAIL
> BACK. do tell your personal experiences of meditation so i can guide
> you on the right path.
> sheelinternational@r...
> ANYONE WHO READS THIS MAIL IS REQUESTED TO MAIL IT TO ALL WHO ARE
> DESIROUS OF THE CAUSE AND HELP EVERYONE ATTAIN THE INNER SELF.

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>
>
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--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "judirhodes"
<judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> Oh sheesh! Not another one! :-)
>
> Just can't get enough of these jerkwaters, eh Bob?
>
> How many times I got to tell you, *experience* is not it!
>
> You do the math! :-)
>
> Judi

I've got to add that Brahman don't talk either.

--jody.

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jodyrrr"
<jodyrrr@y...> wrote:
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "judirhodes"
> <judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> > Oh sheesh! Not another one! :-)
> >
> > Just can't get enough of these jerkwaters, eh Bob?
> >
> > How many times I got to tell you, *experience* is not it!
> >
> > You do the math! :-)
> >
> > Judi
>
> I've got to add that Brahman don't talk either.
>
> --jody.

******* Not necessarily, a man of understanding can do whatever the
hell he wants. The difference is in the humor, he doesn't take it
seriously.

Judi

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "judirhodes"
<judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, wrmspirit@a...
> wrote:
> > In a message dated 4/30/2003 7:30:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > judirhodes@z... writes:
> >
> >
> > > ********** I might have some good news for you Norma, depending
> on
> > > where you live of course, but 18 is the legal age in this country
> > > when you can kick them out of the house! :-)
> > >
> > > Sheesh! :-)
> > >
> > > Judi
> >
> > <gg>..No one to boot from over here.....but on a day to day basis,
> that's
> > excellent advice, in general, and I have no doubt more teens are
> aware of the
> > legality of that specific age, than are parents.
> >
> > From a broader picture all things come and go in accord with
> motion, both
> > actively and passively, no matter how much importance is placed
> upon
> > 'assuming' the role of facilitator.  With that out of the way it is
> nice to
> > know that what is free to visit, is also free to leave.
> >
> >
> > Norma
> >
> >
> ****** OK, whatever you say Norma. :-)  You don't mind if I start
> calling you "Wordsalad Norma" do you?


what a day! The Jiving Reverend
  names normal people


> Seriously, do you ever listen
> to the shit that comes out of your mouth? :-)


get that "mirror" HighCow up and
watch the shit flow from your mouth

    Karta



>
> You been smokin some shit or what? :-)
>
> Judi

Jason Fishman <munkiman4u@y...> wrote:
> I wouldn't mind hearing ho weither of you know that
> it's bad? In what way does one notice the
> manifistation of bad or good during any practice,
> especially one that is about the understanding neither
> state?
>
> Peace and Love
>


in this case Jason, it is just the
  same, since the moment of breaking meditation alreay happened: with
the notice of negativity

later, when "out" of meditation it is
  a good thing to do vichara: "why did,
  and why that type of negative entity
appear, and what does it mean"

it is usually one's supressed sub
conscious mind manifesting [a painful
  uggly mirror, but must be done]

    Karta



> --- satkartar7 <mi_nok@y...> wrote:
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> > "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:
> > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> > medit8ionsociety
> > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > Dear sir,
> > > > How should we react if we come into contact with
> > evil spirits during
> > > > the 3rd eye meditation. Will the evil spirits
> > harm me and how to
> > > deal
> > > > with them.
> > > > In most of your meditating techniques featured,
> > comment must not be
> > > > done during meditation, why is it so and what
> > will happen if one
> > > > really makes comments.
> > > > Thank you.
> > > > S.H.
> > >
> > > Dear SH:
> > >
> > > That was a very real fear in me also for many
> > years, that I would be
> > > possessed if I turned loose and submitted to the
> > meditation.
> > >
> > > For me it turned out that when I said to myself
> > that I was willing to
> > > die to know what it is like to submit, that the
> > fear was overcome.
> > >
> > > This told me it was really a fear of death I was
> > recoiling from, and
> > > that the demon fear was covering my fear of death.
> > >
> > > Commenting during meditation is very similar to
> > just "knowing".
> > > Knowing is acceptable.  I hope someone will
> > correct me if I am wrong
> > > about this.
> > >
> > > Love
> > > Bobby G.
> >
> >
> > I agree with you Bobby, there is
> > a death-jump like feeling before
> > leaving the mind behind..a struggle
> >
> > In Shabd Yoga Meditation they give a
> >  mantra for warding off the negative
> >
> >   Karta
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________
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"texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:
> --- In Jason Fishman
> <munkiman4u@y...> wrote:
> > I wouldn't mind hearing ho weither of you know that
> > it's bad? In what way does one notice the
> > manifistation of bad or good during any practice,
> > especially one that is about the understanding neither
> > state?
> >
> > Peace and Love
>
> Good point Jason.  I will let Karta answer from her perspective.
>
> for myself when I meditated I got to a place that seemed deep.
> It seemed like if I went any further I would lose control. I told
> myself i was willing to die but I had to know if I had wasted my time
> and had never really been willing to face my fears.


yes, Bobby, the "death-jump" [leaving
  the "mind" behind for deeper"cleaning"]
in meditation is hard very hard and
here lies the genius of the sound
  part of the Sabd Yoga meditation,
sinc it does mesmerize one: no place
  for any cognition and before you
"notice" .. you are on the way

    Love, Karta


> I practiced a
> small affirmation that when the time came I would not back off
> again.  So I was graced with Samadhi.
>
> The fears were of the unknown.  Like a child that does not know
> monsters of the supernatural kind do not exist because they have not
> lived enough to know, I had to learn to be brave.  It seems silly now
> but the fear was like a wisp of smoke and I have not seen it since.
>
> The question of negative or positive has to answered in context to an
> event and not as one of the rules in an objective universe that we
> must somehow find. In that sense, thoughts during meditation are bad.
>
> Love
> Bobby G.
>
> >
> > --- satkartar7 <mi_nok@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:
> > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> > > medit8ionsociety
> > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Dear sir,
> > > > > How should we react if we come into contact with
> > > evil spirits during
> > > > > the 3rd eye meditation. Will the evil spirits
> > > harm me and how to
> > > > deal
> > > > > with them.
> > > > > In most of your meditating techniques featured,
> > > comment must not be
> > > > > done during meditation, why is it so and what
> > > will happen if one
> > > > > really makes comments.
> > > > > Thank you.
> > > > > S.H.
> > > >
> > > > Dear SH:
> > > >
> > > > That was a very real fear in me also for many
> > > years, that I would be
> > > > possessed if I turned loose and submitted to the
> > > meditation.
> > > >
> > > > For me it turned out that when I said to myself
> > > that I was willing to
> > > > die to know what it is like to submit, that the
> > > fear was overcome.
> > > >
> > > > This told me it was really a fear of death I was
> > > recoiling from, and
> > > > that the demon fear was covering my fear of death.
> > > >
> > > > Commenting during meditation is very similar to
> > > just "knowing".
> > > > Knowing is acceptable.  I hope someone will
> > > correct me if I am wrong
> > > > about this.
> > > >
> > > > Love
> > > > Bobby G.
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with you Bobby, there is
> > > a death-jump like feeling before
> > > leaving the mind behind..a struggle
> > >
> > > In Shabd Yoga Meditation they give a
> > >  mantra for warding off the negative
> > >
> > >   Karta

medit8ionsociety <no_reply@y...> wrote:

> Dear Members (and lurkers:-),
> I mentioned previously that we get lots of emails dealing with
> meditation. I'm posting a sample of one type that came in this
> morning, that claims to have "The Truth". We have received lots of
> similar ones, and if you guys feel it would be beneficial, I'll post
> some of them, and continue to do so.
> Peace and blessings,
> Bob

Bob,

Thanks... this is really great.

It seems that the writer may have learned
English as a second language; in that regard,
his assertion that 'you cannot learn meditation'
(you can't get there from here) must be taken
to mean 'you are not meditating unless you
are meditating'. His point is taken, if that is
indeed his  point.

My experience (sorry Judi!) is essentially
identical with that portrayed by the writer,
and it is one, upon which I suggest it is
most useful to dwell, as he describes it in
the 'Q-A' conversation. Simply by contemplating
this point of view, one may attain immeasurable
benefit...

Bob, if you correspond with this writer, please
suggest to NOT use ALL CAPS in future offerings.

Below I have pasted a rework of the original,
changed the 'ALL CAPS' to 'Word Caps', fixed
some spelling and formatting. I suggest that
if you want the original writers email address
to be visible, use this format:

originalwriter[at]hisISP.net

The Yahoo system hides actual addresses, the
'@' symbol being the trigger for that.

Thanks, Bob. And yes, please keep
posting letters like this...

==Gene Poole==


~~~~~ begin paste of modified posting ~~~~~

Dear Readers,

In My Personal Search For The Truth I Have Found That The Truth Is In
Yourself. Being Into An Job As A Sailor I Had Travelled All Over The
World Known All People And Tried To Find Out The Inner Meanings To
Existence. But I Found It In The Footsteps Of Himalyas In My Home
Town In India.

Once The Bliss Has Dawned On You There Comes A Feeling Of Spreading
It And That's What I Want To Do.

Before Explaining What Meditation Actually Is And What Can Lead To
Enlightenment I Want You To Shed All Presumed Knowledge About It.
As Understand One Thing Very Clearly- Meditation Is An Experience,Its
Not Something To Be Known -I Can Lead You To The Door But Only You
Can Enter. Please Understand Well-meditation Cannot Be Known If You
Are Learning Meditation Then You Are On The Wrong Path,You Cannot
Learn It-it Has To Be An Experience. It Will Be My Efforts To Lead You
To It. Only You Have To Be Ready.

In This First Step Of Notes I Would Like To Explain To You In An Most
Easy Way What I Have Known So That You Can Understand- In The
Conversation That Follows I Have Tried To Convey The Knowledge That
Has Been Conveyed To Me. Remember Knowledge Is A River Ever-flowing
All Around And I Am Only A Source Through Which It Has Chosen To
Flow. Here I Have Tried To Assure You The Existence Of The Higher
Self So Your Search For The Inner Self Strengthens I Am Sure Some Of
You Are Well Versed With The Word ?Brahman? If Not Then It Means All
Of Creation And All Existence Irrespective Of The Fact That You Can
Perceive It Or Not.

Talks With Brahman (Answerer Here)


Q Who Are You
A I Am What You See And Perceive

Q Who Am I
A All That You Know You Are

Q Do You Exist In Me
A Yes And No

Q Do I Exist In You
A Yes And No

Q If I Close My Eyes I Cannot See You
A True

Q If I Close All My Sense Of Perception Then I Cant Perceive You
A True

Q Then For Me You Are My Perception
A True

Q Why Do I Breathe
A To Live

Q Why Do I Live
A Because You Are Alive

Q Why Am I Alive
A Because Of The People Who Concieved You

Q Why Do I Breathe
A You Dont

Q I Don't Understand? Okay Do I Breathe
A No You Don't

Q Why Do You Say So When I Am Breathing?
A Because To Breathe Is Not In Your Hands. When You Were Born You Did
Not Decide That I Shall Start Breathing And When You Are Dying Then
Also You Cant Say That Now I Shall Stop My Breadth. You Cannot Say
That Now I Shall Stop Breathing And Later I Will Continue.

Q Then Who Breathes
A The One Who Lives

Q So ,i Understood That I Am Not Breathing But Then I Do Live?
A Yes You Live But You Are Not Breathing.

Q Do You Exist As I See You
A Yes

Q You Mean All The Stars The Sun The Planets And All The Things Do
You Exist As That
A Yes All That And All That Is Conceivable To You. But Again I Am
Answering The Question Only For You As An Individual.

Q But For Me My Existence Is What Matters
A True

Q So As Long As I Exist You Are There And If I Die Then You Also Cease To Exist
A True But Only For You

Q So Let Me Clear This That For Individual Me If I Live Then You Live
A True

Q And For Me If I Die Then You Also Die
A True

Q And My Birth And Death Is Not In My Hands
A True

Q So We Can Say That You Live Through Me
A True

Q What Happens When I Die
A When You Live, i Live Through You And When You Die ,You Live
Through Me Understand This Well For This Is The Essence And I Shall
Repeat Again - When You Live I Live Through You And When You Die You
Live Through Me.



I Hope The Above Will Be Of Immense Value To One And All Who Wanted
To Clear Few Basic Doubts.

For All Those Who Wish To Attain More Do Not Hesitate To Mail Back.
Do Tell Your Personal Experiences Of Meditation So I Can Guide You On
The Right Path.

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--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Poole"
<gene_poole@q...> wrote:
>
> My experience (sorry Judi!) is essentially
> identical with that portrayed by the writer,
> and it is one, upon which I suggest it is
> most useful to dwell, as he describes it in
> the 'Q-A' conversation. Simply by contemplating
> this point of view, one may attain immeasurable
> benefit...
>
***** Sure, but my point being, if you're looking for *benefit*, for
*experience*, you're still looking in the wrooong place!

And anyone *peddling* such, will be called on the carpet accordinly.

Judi

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "judirhodes"
<judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Poole"
> <gene_poole@q...> wrote:
> >
> > My experience (sorry Judi!) is essentially
> > identical with that portrayed by the writer,
> > and it is one, upon which I suggest it is
> > most useful to dwell, as he describes it in
> > the 'Q-A' conversation. Simply by contemplating
> > this point of view, one may attain immeasurable
> > benefit...
> >
> ***** Sure, but my point being, if you're looking for *benefit*, for
> *experience*, you're still looking in the wrooong place!
>
> And anyone *peddling* such, will be called on the carpet accordinly.
>
> Judi

Yo Judi,

I would have thought (if I thought) that you would resonate well with
this writer's concepts and approach IE:

"...Enlightenment I Want You To Shed All Presumed Knowledge About It.
As Understand One Thing Very Clearly- Meditation Is An Experience,Its
Not Something To Be Known -I Can Lead You To The Door But Only You
Can Enter. Please Understand Well-meditation Cannot Be Known If You
Are Learning Meditation Then You Are On The Wrong Path,You Cannot
Learn It-it Has To Be An Experience. It Will Be My Efforts To Lead You
To It. Only You Have To Be Ready.

In This First Step Of Notes I Would Like To Explain To You In An Most
Easy Way What I Have Known So That You Can Understand-..."

So, what Uunderstanding does this Experience seem without benefit to
you?:-)

Peace and blessings,
Bob

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "satkartar7"
<mi_nok@y...> wrote:
> "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:
> > --- In Jason Fishman
> > <munkiman4u@y...> wrote:
> > > I wouldn't mind hearing ho weither of you know that
> > > it's bad? In what way does one notice the
> > > manifistation of bad or good during any practice,
> > > especially one that is about the understanding neither
> > > state?
> > >
> > > Peace and Love
> >
> > Good point Jason.  I will let Karta answer from her perspective.
> >
> > for myself when I meditated I got to a place that seemed deep.
> > It seemed like if I went any further I would lose control. I told
> > myself i was willing to die but I had to know if I had wasted my
time
> > and had never really been willing to face my fears.
>
>
> yes, Bobby, the "death-jump" [leaving
>  the "mind" behind for deeper"cleaning"]
> in meditation is hard very hard and
> here lies the genius of the sound
>  part of the Sabd Yoga meditation,
> sinc it does mesmerize one: no place
>  for any cognition and before you
> "notice" .. you are on the way
>
>    Love, Karta

hi Karta:

Could you post that Sabd Yoga meditation?  I have a sound meditation
where the sound is always present and I can hear it even when talking
or listening.  Is it similar to that?  Even with it the fear of
possession bumped me many times.

Bobby G.

>
>
> > I practiced a
> > small affirmation that when the time came I would not back off
> > again.  So I was graced with Samadhi.
> >
> > The fears were of the unknown.  Like a child that does not know
> > monsters of the supernatural kind do not exist because they have
not
> > lived enough to know, I had to learn to be brave.  It seems silly
now
> > but the fear was like a wisp of smoke and I have not seen it
since.
> >
> > The question of negative or positive has to answered in context
to an
> > event and not as one of the rules in an objective universe that
we
> > must somehow find. In that sense, thoughts during meditation are
bad.
> >
> > Love
> > Bobby G.
> >
> > >
> > > --- satkartar7 <mi_nok@y...> wrote:
> > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@a...> wrote:
> > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > medit8ionsociety
> > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Dear sir,
> > > > > > How should we react if we come into contact with
> > > > evil spirits during
> > > > > > the 3rd eye meditation. Will the evil spirits
> > > > harm me and how to
> > > > > deal
> > > > > > with them.
> > > > > > In most of your meditating techniques featured,
> > > > comment must not be
> > > > > > done during meditation, why is it so and what
> > > > will happen if one
> > > > > > really makes comments.
> > > > > > Thank you.
> > > > > > S.H.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear SH:
> > > > >
> > > > > That was a very real fear in me also for many
> > > > years, that I would be
> > > > > possessed if I turned loose and submitted to the
> > > > meditation.
> > > > >
> > > > > For me it turned out that when I said to myself
> > > > that I was willing to
> > > > > die to know what it is like to submit, that the
> > > > fear was overcome.
> > > > >
> > > > > This told me it was really a fear of death I was
> > > > recoiling from, and
> > > > > that the demon fear was covering my fear of death.
> > > > >
> > > > > Commenting during meditation is very similar to
> > > > just "knowing".
> > > > > Knowing is acceptable.  I hope someone will
> > > > correct me if I am wrong
> > > > > about this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Love
> > > > > Bobby G.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree with you Bobby, there is
> > > > a death-jump like feeling before
> > > > leaving the mind behind..a struggle
> > > >
> > > > In Shabd Yoga Meditation they give a
> > > >  mantra for warding off the negative
> > > >
> > > >   Karta

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "judirhodes"
<judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Poole"
> <gene_poole@q...> wrote:
> >
> > My experience (sorry Judi!) is essentially
> > identical with that portrayed by the writer,
> > and it is one, upon which I suggest it is
> > most useful to dwell, as he describes it in
> > the 'Q-A' conversation. Simply by contemplating
> > this point of view, one may attain immeasurable
> > benefit...
> >
> ***** Sure, but my point being, if you're looking for *benefit*, for
> *experience*, you're still looking in the wrooong place!
>
> And anyone *peddling* such, will be called on the carpet accordinly.
>
> Judi


  come of it Judi!!

clear your head up and up-grade
  ***** your mutated points

    Karta

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "satkartar7" <mi_nok@y...>
wrote:
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "judirhodes"
<judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Poole"
> > <gene_poole@q...> wrote:
> > >
> > > My experience (sorry Judi!) is essentially
> > > identical with that portrayed by the writer,
> > > and it is one, upon which I suggest it is
> > > most useful to dwell, as he describes it in
> > > the 'Q-A' conversation. Simply by contemplating
> > > this point of view, one may attain immeasurable
> > > benefit...
> > >
> > ***** Sure, but my point being, if you're looking for *benefit*, for
> > *experience*, you're still looking in the wrooong place!
> >
> > And anyone *peddling* such, will be called on the carpet accordinly.
> >
> > Judi
>
>
>  come of it Judi!!
>
> clear your head up and up-grade
>  ***** your mutated points
>

!!!!!!! and learn to shut the fuck
up when you don't KNOW from *experince*
  what the meditators talk about

>    Karta

Nasrudin was asked what is more important...the experiences one has or
the understanding of them. He replied:
"I have understood, in my experience, that there is nothing to
understand and everything to experience, and nothing to experience and
everything to understand. I hope you experience understanding of this."

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, medit8ionsociety
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Nasrudin was asked what is more important...the experiences one has or
> the understanding of them. He replied:
> "I have understood, in my experience, that there is nothing to
> understand and everything to experience, and nothing to experience and
> everything to understand.

we are with you Bob,

Judi is the only one who killed
her brain-cells on scotch and is
unable to hold the *right*
*understanding*

    Peace, Karta

>I hope you experience understanding of this."

> <gene_poole@q...> wrote:
>
> My experience (sorry Judi!) is essentially
> identical with that portrayed by the writer,
> and it is one, upon which I suggest it is
>  most useful to dwell, as he describes it in
>  the 'Q-A' conversation. Simply by contemplating
> this point of view, one may attain immeasurable
> benefit...
>
>  ***** Sure, but my point being, if you're looking for *benefit*, for
> *experience*, you're still looking in the wrooong place!
>
> And anyone *peddling* such, will be called on the carpet accordinly.
>
>  Judi
>
>
>  come of it Judi!!
>
> clear your head up and up-grade
>  ***** your mutated points
>
>
> !!!!!!! and learn to shut the fuck
> up when you don't KNOW from *experince*
>  what the meditators talk about
>

   better yet: just GO to the end of
  your Rope and Ranch

your mutated mis-understandings
are polution here

  <shees>
does idiot has a meaning for you?


  > >    Karta

Yo Judi,

   I would have thought (if I thought) that you would resonate well with
   this writer's concepts and approach IE:

   "...Enlightenment I Want You To Shed All Presumed Knowledge About It.
   As Understand One Thing Very Clearly- Meditation Is An Experience,Its
   Not Something To Be Known -I Can Lead You To The Door But Only You
   Can Enter. Please Understand Well-meditation Cannot Be Known If You
   Are Learning Meditation Then You Are On The Wrong Path,You Cannot
   Learn It-it Has To Be An Experience. It Will Be My Efforts To Lead You
   To It. Only You Have To Be Ready.

   In This First Step Of Notes I Would Like To Explain To You In An Most
   Easy Way What I Have Known So That You Can Understand-..."

   So, what Uunderstanding does this Experience seem without benefit to
   you?:-)

   Peace and blessings,
   Bob

   ******** No "benefit", no "experience".  If there were, I'd be out selling it.
:-)

   Judi





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--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "satkartar7"
<mi_nok@y...> wrote:
> > <gene_poole@q...> wrote:
> >
> > My experience (sorry Judi!) is essentially
> > identical with that portrayed by the writer,
> > and it is one, upon which I suggest it is
> >  most useful to dwell, as he describes it in
> >  the 'Q-A' conversation. Simply by contemplating
> > this point of view, one may attain immeasurable
> > benefit...
> >
> >  ***** Sure, but my point being, if you're looking for *benefit*,
for
> > *experience*, you're still looking in the wrooong place!
> >
> > And anyone *peddling* such, will be called on the carpet
accordinly.
> >
> >  Judi
> >
> >
> >  come of it Judi!!
> >
> > clear your head up and up-grade
> >  ***** your mutated points
> >
> >
> > !!!!!!! and learn to shut the fuck
> > up when you don't KNOW from *experince*
> >  what the meditators talk about
> >
>
>   better yet: just GO to the end of
>  your Rope and Ranch
>
> your mutated mis-understandings
> are polution here
>
>  <shees>
> does idiot has a meaning for you?
>
>
******* No, does jealous and looking for attention have any meaning
for you?

I was born at night, but not LAST night Karta.

Judi



>  > >    Karta

Yo Judi,

     I would have thought (if I thought) that you would resonate well with
     this writer's concepts and approach IE:

     "...Enlightenment I Want You To Shed All Presumed Knowledge About It.
     As Understand One Thing Very Clearly- Meditation Is An Experience,Its
     Not Something To Be Known -I Can Lead You To The Door But Only You
     Can Enter. Please Understand Well-meditation Cannot Be Known If You
     Are Learning Meditation Then You Are On The Wrong Path,You Cannot
     Learn It-it Has To Be An Experience. It Will Be My Efforts To Lead You
     To It. Only You Have To Be Ready.

     In This First Step Of Notes I Would Like To Explain To You In An Most
     Easy Way What I Have Known So That You Can Understand-..."

     So, what Uunderstanding does this Experience seem without benefit to
     you?:-)

     Peace and blessings,
     Bob

     ******** No "benefit", no "experience".  If there were, I'd be out selling
it. :-)

     Judi

   ***********
   Here's a doozie:

   > Have I ever told you about my Lobotomy Accelerated Enlightenment Method?

   ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
   As a matter of fact you have, only I know it as "Lobotomy Accelerated Method
   of Enlightenment"... LAME for short!

   Their motto is: "I'd rather have a frontal lobotomy than a bottle in front
   of me!" :)

   Heh heh heh heh :)




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Greetings, ALL...

Here is the best link I could find:

<http://www.frankperry.co.uk/nada_yoga.htm>

Personally, I find it very unfortunate that this
'phenomenon' is treated only in the language
of 'spirituality', because it is very real, and
very powerful, and very useful.

By that, I mean to say, that by association, such
subtle phenomena are by definition, evocative of
'Deity'.

The assumption seems to be that certain
spiritual 'ways and paths' have this one, the
sound current, all wrapped up and buttoned
down.

Students of raw phenom, who look into the
nature of the sound current, will find precious
little, besides the 'spiritual' interpretation, unless
personal experience is tapped as a source of
information.

As a lifelong 'reality hacker', I acknowledge
spirituality, and also phenomenality and also,
importantly, our various concepts of physics.

On the sound current:

Perception is... an outgoing force.

Perception is... a process which occurs
AFTER reception.

Perception is... as an outgoing force,
my side of the conversation; in other words,
while I may write after I perceive, my perception
is in itself, an outgoing communication, just like
writing, only quicker. Perception is the way
that I constantly 'talk back' to the universe.

I perceive the sound current; it is a sound
which fills the silence. It is an etheric, ringing
tone, which changes and varies so quickly
that I cannot anticipate it; I can only surrender
to it.

Now, this tone, is actually composed of many
individual tones; and each of those individual
tone, is also, composed of individual tones. I
have not found any point, in my exploration of
this sound current, at which there are not yet
more tones to be found in any individual tone.

My experience is this:

The sound current, once perceived, serves as
a gateway into a vast 'network'. Each 'subtone'
is a gateway into a 'subnet'. All gates are arrayed
in a perfect geometrical and very beautiful way;
it is possible to 'navigate' this vast network,
purely on the basis of the esthetic sense. Intellect
need not be employed during navigation, but
later, as a means of understanding and evaluating
the experience.

To break (word used deliberately) between
subnets, or in other words to step from net to
net, requires that stored energy be expended.
Energy is gained by the whole appreciation of
the beauty (yes, can be considered 'Divine')
of the experience, and then, 'spent' during the
process of navigation of the network.

The above stepping is analogous  to the
tonal 'stepping' spoken of by G Gurdjeiff;
the aspect of 'shock' can be taken as the
norm, by the experienced navigator. It is
meditation (with or without sound current)
which teaches how to withstand these
'shocks'.

(The recent discussion here, of fear
during meditation, alludes to the 'shock
value' of meditation... fluctuations are
not always smooth, sometimes they are
very rocky, abrupt, and filled with showers
of imagery and feelings... )

Overall, the sound current provides an
immediate and always available means and
'proof' of the actual 'etheric' nature of the
human; and that anyone can discover, learn,
and do what I have described above, serves
to point out that assumptions of 'Divinity'  do
not necessarily have to precede  the gaining
or exercise of such abilities.

To 'perceive' the sound current, is to thereby
communicate 'back to it', and thereby  to
modify it, in that it speaks back to us, as what
we perceive. The 'exchange' of this conversation
is so rapid, as to escape detection, unless it is
pointed out that what is going on, is actually
an exchange, not a one-way delivery of
a tone 'to the ears' of the hearer.


(It may be useful to contemplate just
what a 'reality hacker' does, and the
attitudes which will either facilitate or
hinder such activities.)


Best regards...


==Gene Poole==


tone = tonus= tension = movement = life




















--

If less is more,
nothing is everything.

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, medit8ionsociety
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Nasrudin was asked what is more important...the experiences one has
or
> the understanding of them. He replied:
> "I have understood, in my experience, that there is nothing to
> understand and everything to experience, and nothing to experience
and
> everything to understand. I hope you experience understanding of
this."


Wonderful!!

"Judi Rhodes" <judirhodes@z...> wrote:
>
>
>     Yo Judi,
>
>     I would have thought (if I thought) that you would resonate well with
>     this writer's concepts and approach IE:
>
>     "...Enlightenment I Want You To Shed All Presumed Knowledge About It.
>     As Understand One Thing Very Clearly- Meditation Is An Experience,Its
>     Not Something To Be Known -I Can Lead You To The Door But Only You
>     Can Enter. Please Understand Well-meditation Cannot Be Known If You
>     Are Learning Meditation Then You Are On The Wrong Path,You Cannot
>     Learn It-it Has To Be An Experience. It Will Be My Efforts To Lead You
>     To It. Only You Have To Be Ready.
>
>     In This First Step Of Notes I Would Like To Explain To You In An Most
>     Easy Way What I Have Known So That You Can Understand-..."
>
>     So, what Uunderstanding does this Experience seem without benefit to
>     you?:-)
>
>     Peace and blessings,
>     Bob
>
>     ******** No "benefit", no "experience".  If there were, I'd be out selling
it. :-)
>
>     Judi
>
>   ***********
>   Here's a doozie:
>
>   > Have I ever told you about my Lobotomy Accelerated Enlightenment Method?
>
>   ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
>   As a matter of fact you have, only I know it as "Lobotomy Accelerated Method
>   of Enlightenment"... LAME for short!
>
>   Their motto is: "I'd rather have a frontal lobotomy than a bottle in front
>   of me!" :)
>
>   Heh heh heh heh :)

Hi Karta...

As you can see, Judi is the ultimate 'hopeless case'.

You have about as much chance of  'changing Judi' as
you do, to move the Rock of Gibralter by farting!

But you can change yourself, in regard to trying to
're-ignite' the futile (yet admittedly entertaining)
're-sendment' quallels here  in MSA, by calling Judi
names and trying to 'get her goat'.

Truth is, Judi's 'goat' was the 'main course' at her
'thanksgiving feast', many years ago.

Of course, if you cannot 'get her goat', you can always
lend your goat, to her. Although that probably is not
a very productive idea...


Spoken in love...


==Gene Poole==

"Judi Rhodes" <judirhodes@z...> wrote:
>
>
>     Yo Judi,
>
>     I would have thought (if I thought) that you would resonate well with
>     this writer's concepts and approach IE:
>
>     "...Enlightenment I Want You To Shed All Presumed Knowledge About It.
>     As Understand One Thing Very Clearly- Meditation Is An Experience,Its
>     Not Something To Be Known -I Can Lead You To The Door But Only You
>     Can Enter. Please Understand Well-meditation Cannot Be Known If You
>     Are Learning Meditation Then You Are On The Wrong Path,You Cannot
>     Learn It-it Has To Be An Experience. It Will Be My Efforts To Lead You
>     To It. Only You Have To Be Ready.
>
>     In This First Step Of Notes I Would Like To Explain To You In An Most
>     Easy Way What I Have Known So That You Can Understand-..."
>
>     So, what Uunderstanding does this Experience seem without benefit to
>     you?:-)
>
>     Peace and blessings,
>     Bob
>
>     ******** No "benefit", no "experience".  If there were, I'd be out selling
it. :-)
>
>     Judi
>
>   ***********
>   Here's a doozie:
>
>   > Have I ever told you about my Lobotomy Accelerated Enlightenment Method?
>
>   ~~~AllisonWonderland~~~:
>   As a matter of fact you have, only I know it as "Lobotomy Accelerated Method
>   of Enlightenment"... LAME for short!
>
>   Their motto is: "I'd rather have a frontal lobotomy than a bottle in front
>   of me!" :)
>
>   Heh heh heh heh :)

Hi Karta...

As you can see, Judi is the ultimate 'hopeless case'.

You have about as much chance of  'changing Judi' as
you do, to move the Rock of Gibralter by farting!

But you can change yourself, in regard to trying to
're-ignite' the futile (yet admittedly entertaining)
're-sendment' quallels here  in MSA, by calling Judi
names and trying to 'get her goat'.

Truth is, Judi's 'goat' was the 'main course' at her
'thanksgiving feast', many years ago.

Of course, if you cannot 'get her goat', you can always
lend your goat, to her. Although that probably is not
a very productive idea...


Spoken in love...


==Gene Poole==

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Poole"
<gene_poole@q...> wrote:
>
> Greetings, ALL...
>
> Here is the best link I could find:
>
> <http://www.frankperry.co.uk/nada_yoga.htm>
>
> Personally, I find it very unfortunate that this
> 'phenomenon' is treated only in the language
> of 'spirituality', because it is very real, and
> very powerful, and very useful.
>
> By that, I mean to say, that by association, such
> subtle phenomena are by definition, evocative of
> 'Deity'.
>
> The assumption seems to be that certain
> spiritual 'ways and paths' have this one, the
> sound current, all wrapped up and buttoned
> down.
>
> Students of raw phenom, who look into the
> nature of the sound current, will find precious
> little, besides the 'spiritual' interpretation, unless
> personal experience is tapped as a source of
> information.
>
> As a lifelong 'reality hacker', I acknowledge
> spirituality, and also phenomenality and also,
> importantly, our various concepts of physics.
>
> On the sound current:
>
> Perception is... an outgoing force.
>
> Perception is... a process which occurs
> AFTER reception.
>
> Perception is... as an outgoing force,
> my side of the conversation; in other words,
> while I may write after I perceive, my perception
> is in itself, an outgoing communication, just like
> writing, only quicker. Perception is the way
> that I constantly 'talk back' to the universe.
>
> I perceive the sound current; it is a sound
> which fills the silence. It is an etheric, ringing
> tone, which changes and varies so quickly
> that I cannot anticipate it; I can only surrender
> to it.
>
> Now, this tone, is actually composed of many
> individual tones; and each of those individual
> tone, is also, composed of individual tones. I
> have not found any point, in my exploration of
> this sound current, at which there are not yet
> more tones to be found in any individual tone.
>
> My experience is this:
>
> The sound current, once perceived, serves as
> a gateway into a vast 'network'. Each 'subtone'
> is a gateway into a 'subnet'. All gates are arrayed
> in a perfect geometrical and very beautiful way;
> it is possible to 'navigate' this vast network,
> purely on the basis of the esthetic sense. Intellect
> need not be employed during navigation, but
> later, as a means of understanding and evaluating
> the experience.
>
> To break (word used deliberately) between
> subnets, or in other words to step from net to
> net, requires that stored energy be expended.
> Energy is gained by the whole appreciation of
> the beauty (yes, can be considered 'Divine')
> of the experience, and then, 'spent' during the
> process of navigation of the network.
>
> The above stepping is analogous  to the
> tonal 'stepping' spoken of by G Gurdjeiff;
> the aspect of 'shock' can be taken as the
> norm, by the experienced navigator. It is
> meditation (with or without sound current)
> which teaches how to withstand these
> 'shocks'.

dear Gene:

i was very glad to read this message.  The sound current is a very
special and singular experience that is unlike any other in my
experience.

The stepping as I remember Gurdjieff, was those intervals between
regular spacings or regular natural patterns of acceleration or
evolution.  such as the vibrations of musical strings.  The
vibrations per second of the notes ascending on the musical scale are
regular increments of increase until there is a space. And then there
is another regular increase in increments producing the notes on the
scale. All other vibrations would be atonal if I am using the right
word.  I am certain you can explain it better.  I don't know music
enough to explain it but that was the anologue Ouspensky used so that
is what I remember.

It is the spaces between the regular increments of increase that
require a shock or energy from the outside to progress or evolve to
go past that space. In other words we will progress or learn in
regular steps with little effort until there is an obstacle of some
kind.  It is there that energy must be applied to continue.  Overcome
the obstacle and it seems easy again until the next "space".
Understanding that allows one to expect the unexpected in a more
predictable way.

I believe Gurdjeiff used a scale of 'impressions' as the food for
this energy.  Such as the impression of the "doves taking flight at
sunset as your lovers boat pulls into the harbor and waves from the
bow".
That would be a low number maybe a 12.  Whereas seeing another "A" on
a child's report card may be 158.  Store up enough 12's and you move
on.  That is why he cooked for his people so much. He psyched them up
and fed them more than the food.

>
> (The recent discussion here, of fear
> during meditation, alludes to the 'shock
> value' of meditation... fluctuations are
> not always smooth, sometimes they are
> very rocky, abrupt, and filled with showers
> of imagery and feelings... )
>
> Overall, the sound current provides an
> immediate and always available means and
> 'proof' of the actual 'etheric' nature of the
> human; and that anyone can discover, learn,
> and do what I have described above, serves
> to point out that assumptions of 'Divinity'  do
> not necessarily have to precede  the gaining
> or exercise of such abilities.
>
> To 'perceive' the sound current, is to thereby
> communicate 'back to it', and thereby  to
> modify it, in that it speaks back to us, as what
> we perceive. The 'exchange' of this conversation
> is so rapid, as to escape detection, unless it is
> pointed out that what is going on, is actually
> an exchange, not a one-way delivery of
> a tone 'to the ears' of the hearer.
>
>
> (It may be useful to contemplate just
> what a 'reality hacker' does, and the
> attitudes which will either facilitate or
> hinder such activities.)
>
>
> Best regards...
>
>
> ==Gene Poole==
>
>
> tone = tonus= tension = movement = life
>

Very nice Gene.
If I listen carefully to the sound it becomes enterweaving harmonies
which just get better and bigger the longer it goes on
uninterrupted.  Do you believe that is Samadhi?

Bobby G.

--- judirhodes <judirhodes@...> wrote:
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> "jodyrrr"
> <jodyrrr@y...> wrote:
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> "judirhodes"
> > <judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> > > Oh sheesh! Not another one! :-)
> > >
> > > Just can't get enough of these jerkwaters, eh
> Bob?
> > >
> > > How many times I got to tell you, *experience*
> is not it!
> > >
> > > You do the math! :-)
> > >
> > > Judi
> >
> > I've got to add that Brahman don't talk either.
> >
> > --jody.
>
> ******* Not necessarily, a man of understanding can
> do whatever the
> hell he wants. The difference is in the humor, he
> doesn't take it
> seriously.
>
> Judi

Just try and tell that to the women I've been dating:)

Peace and Love

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--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Jason Fishman
<munkiman4u@y...> wrote:
>
> --- judirhodes <judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> > "jodyrrr"
> > <jodyrrr@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> > "judirhodes"
> > > <judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> > > > Oh sheesh! Not another one! :-)
> > > >
> > > > Just can't get enough of these jerkwaters, eh
> > Bob?
> > > >
> > > > How many times I got to tell you, *experience*
> > is not it!
> > > >
> > > > You do the math! :-)
> > > >
> > > > Judi
> > >
> > > I've got to add that Brahman don't talk either.
> > >
> > > --jody.
> >
> > ******* Not necessarily, a man of understanding can
> > do whatever the
> > hell he wants. The difference is in the humor, he
> > doesn't take it
> > seriously.
> >
> > Judi
>
> Just try and tell that to the women I've been dating:)
>
> Peace and Love
>

******* Fuck'em if they can't take a joke! :-)  LOL

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "judirhodes"
<judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Jason Fishman
> <munkiman4u@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- judirhodes <judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "jodyrrr"
> > > <jodyrrr@y...> wrote:
> > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "judirhodes"
> > > > <judirhodes@z...> wrote:
> > > > > Oh sheesh! Not another one! :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Just can't get enough of these jerkwaters, eh
> > > Bob?
> > > > >
> > > > > How many times I got to tell you, *experience*
> > > is not it!
> > > > >
> > > > > You do the math! :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Judi
> > > >
> > > > I've got to add that Brahman don't talk either.
> > > >
> > > > --jody.
> > >
> > > ******* Not necessarily, a man of understanding can
> > > do whatever the
> > > hell he wants. The difference is in the humor, he
> > > doesn't take it
> > > seriously.
> > >
> > > Judi
> >
> > Just try and tell that to the women I've been dating:)
> >
> > Peace and Love
> >
>
> ******* Fuck'em if they can't take a joke! :-)  LOL


you can say that again!  hehehe