What's a META phor?

Nice that you could
see the parallels in
the sports analogies.

I wrestled with night
terrors and paralysis
for several years in
my teens.

Felt like someone was
smothering me with
pillow. I wrote it off
as a pre-verbal recall
of an attempt to off me by
some family member who
didn't want me around,
but who chickened out at
the last minute.

But seriously folks, I
think trying to figure
them out falls in the
same category as dream
analysis.

Here's my final conclusions
after years of research:

The brain is reacting like...
you how a sock sticks to a towel
when you them out of the dryer?

Like that.




--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the advice ya freakin weirdo's
>   and I mean that with the upmost META
>
> Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
>           --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Bruce
Morgen
> <editor@> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff Belyea wrote:
> > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
> medit8ionsociety
> > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > >> sean tremblay <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I was curious
> > >>> does anybody have any information on Night Terrors and sleep
> > >>>
> > >> paralisis?
> > >>
> > >>> Biological or other causes?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> Yo Sean,
> > >> I believe that one theory points to sleep paralysis as
> > >> the real event that is going on when people think
> > >> they have been abducted by aliens. As far as Night Terrors,
> > >> seeing the Eagles give up 12 sacks last Sunday night was
> > >> about as terrifying a night as I can remember in a long time!
> > >> Peace and blessing,
> > >> Bob
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > Those throwback uniforms
> > > were pretty terrifying, too.
> > >
> > That was the previous week/game,
> > Jeff -- perhaps Superman loses
> > his powers without his
> > Invulnerable Cape? I know my
> > G-Men aren't that good, and I
> > know Bobji's Iggles aren't that
> > bad. Big Brandon Jacobs is
> > back for my guys next week,
> > let's see if he can stay
> > unhurt for more than one game
> > -- if he can, they might have a
> > good run on one team Bobji and
> > I agree on: the Dallas Cowgirls.
> >
>
> I know. I couldn't open
> my eyes for a week.
>
> Clark Kent wouldn't have
> been caught dead in those
> krypto costumes.
>
> Haven't decided if I want
> to back the Bucs, or see
> Chucky go, more than I
> want them to win.
>
> Easy pick to stay loyal
> to my New England roots.
>
> A roaming safety
> gathers no Moss.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at
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Om Shanti

You are born in this world to do some good andnot to pass your
days in idealness.If you are
useless then you are a burden to this world.You must always to think
of rising higher in goodne
-ss or wisdom.Man is noblest living being.You will be abusing the
previlage you have attaind if
  you are not worthy of the cause for which your merits have given you
this high place.
     Man truely is a mind, and not just an body.And being a mind, he
must be a thinker,since thin
-king is the specific function of mind;  If does not know how to
think as a man ,Then he is not a
  prefect man.
     Of all the infinity of beings in this universe . The human being
is amongst a few species that
have climbed the most in the up-hill travel to the summit of
existence . We are near to summit
and in one lap we may reach it.Even if we can not on to the direct
and comfprtable route,trave
-lling along which we can reach summit before long,and avoid the risk
of having to fall back fro
-m the heights we have already reached the human life.
      Our most urgent task,Therefore, is to ensure taht we donot fall
below our present lpan of exi
-stance and,for the perpose,we must comprehend the process of life
and realize that each one
is at the helm of his career.Each of us must realize that how to
steer his life clear of lower exist
-ance; he must understand the map and see that he keeps to the
correct routes which will main
-tain him a higher life and which wilkl ultimately lead him to his
destination.
      Happiness and misery,which are the common lot of humanity, are
the in viable efforts of so-
me cause or causes.They are not rewards and punishments,assigned by a
supernatural power
to a soul that has done good or evil. The currents of life are always
streaming in one direction .
Man musy adopt himself tp this flow of life,and as a reward he can
find complate harmony;.All
of mans ill come from his crossing lifes currents.No man can cross
the ocean in a sailing boat.
by defying the winds; he must adjust his sail to use them.
      Foe the sake of matereal gain modern man does not listen to the
voice of nature.His mental
activities are o preoccupied with his future happiness that he
neglects the needs of his physical
body and entirely forgets the present moments for what it is worth .
This unnatural behaviour of
persent mankind is the immidiate of his wrong conceptions of worlds
order of human life and
its ultimate perpose . It is the cause of frustration, anxiety, fear
and unsecurity of our time .One
who really like to have to peace should not disturb other mans
freedom.
      What are you hope for?What is the perpose of your life?
Apparently a very few childrans ever
thinks of asking themselves this question indeed many people will go
through their whole lives
  from birth to death and it will never occur to them to consider the
matter at all.The result is that
  there is no development at all. They have allowed every thing to
happen to them insteed of they,themselves,making things happens for
themselves.Only very few people have realised that
the perpose of life is grouth,progress from ignorance top
enlightenment and from unhappiness
to
happiness.
                                                   (SURENDRA)

Generally most people dislike ti see the true facts of life.They like
to full themselves in to
security by dreaming,imagination and taking the shadow for the
substance.
     If we consider only the actual state of humanity,it is clear that
the unsatisfactory theory is still
  the only one that can be sustained...It will suffer to take an
average, normal huamn life. That of
man place in ordinary circumstances and of ordinary understanging;and
to consider to it coolly
. What does his existance consist in ?  During one quarter of a
century he work to acquire the
means of livelyhood; for another quarter he struggels amid perpectual
anxities to make these
  maens of life give a sufficient return;he die without knowing
exactly why he has lived at all.what
pain and sorrow . What aixieties and dieappointments during the short
quarter century during
which the man'enjoy' his gains, ephemeral youth with its short lived
its illusions;a life warn down
by the way side of life and soon faded;a few instances of repose,and
then the weary march far-
ward again.Personal anxieties,faimly worries,heavy and leaseless
work;vexations dis illusion
and deceptions;such is the common lot of mortals.For those who have
an idea it is worse;some
whilst intoxicated in the persuit of illusion had the heart breaking
discovery of importance in attai
-ning them.... Even the concept of an ideally privilaged humanity ,
highly evoloped and happy ,
is weaking its foundations. Humnaity will seeits happy life poisoned
by the idea of inevialable
and approaching annihilation . The thought of death as the end of all
would be unendurable to
hyperson of life it self....At every turn and stage of life,in the
midst of every joy, his ear will hear
the knell.
     However ingeniously we might plan and organise oue society and
adjust human relationships
,So long as the world it what it is, the best of us cannot escapr
suffering....Even if by some stroke
of good fortune,we cannot free overselves from death.and our bodily
orgenism has in it seed of
dissolution.Morality seems native to your world.'The system of nature
does not sympathise with
the bless for which we sign.....our bound hopes are shetlise to dust
and over tenderest ideas m-
ocked by the stern in defference of nature.''
      They relocation of death , accompained with right attitude of
mind , gives a man courge and
calm even in time of death.They physical boidy we can to be so real
lasts then a centery,our im-
otions are but a stream of feelings and images , our mind but a
stream of thoughts.There is no
  permanency in us.
      So, to the  suffering and dispairing who sought light and help
that all man begain by basing
their hopes of happiness on a life whose elements are shifting as the
sands of a river-mouth.life
is suffering because life is impermanent.This ceaseless passage of
time is so obvious a quality
of our lives that we take it for granted.With in this ceaseless
movement,all things we know are
  born,grow,decay and die and we along with them.
      Even our happiness has this unbdertone of sorrow,If we are
seeking for truth,This must reco-
gnised,wether we like it or not.It is not easy to accept this vision
of the suffering of a world which
seems at a time so fair.And yet when we look around we see, even in
the beauty of spring.how
  many are dying, how many more suffering from incurable disease.We
see dis appointed effe-
ction or frustrated hopes making life batter to others,and the beauty
of the world seems mockery
.Generally,as we grow in year and expire and the vision it we are not
wilfully blind.(SURENDRA)
     .

---Thank you very much to invite you.UI donot know about you that do
you know about meditation or not but i would like to tell you that
meditation act is oldest, when human start think about Almighty
he/she invent the Almighly by the meditation. you can see its in
namaj also, but most of the institutes and yogis are marketing this
technics as an professions.do you want to do any thing to save
humanity? If yes you start meditation first please.
In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Amila Kapukotuwa
<bandarakapukotuwa@...> wrote:
>
> hi how are you,
>
> i was a all member.i would  like to know about you, send me your
details. houw abort your life.
>
> yours
>
> Amila
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: ZULFIQAR ALI <mrzulfiqaar@...>
> To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 9:27:01 AM
> Subject: [Meditation Society of America] JOINING
>
> i have just joined this group.....hope to have a good experience in
future.
>
> thanks
>
>
> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
web links.
>
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>

---Thank you very much to invite you.UI donot know about you that do
you know about meditation or not but i would like to tell you that
meditation act is oldest, when human start think about Almighty
he/she invent the Almighly by the meditation. you can see its in
namaj also, but most of the institutes and yogis are marketing this
technics as an professions.do you want to do any thing to save
humanity? If yes you start meditation first please.
In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Amila Kapukotuwa
<bandarakapukotuwa@...> wrote:
>
> hi how are you,
>
> i was a all member.i would like to know about you, send me your
details. houw abort your life.
>
> yours
>
> Amila
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: ZULFIQAR ALI <mrzulfiqaar@...>
> To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 9:27:01 AM
> Subject: [Meditation Society of America] JOINING
>
> i have just joined this group.....hope to have a good experience in
future.
>
> thanks
>
>
> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
web links.
>
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>

Steady yourself on this earth first


Excerpts from speeches delivered by Siddha Yogi Shri
Siva Shankar Baba



My philosophy of working is not talking about the
heavens. I am making people to first plant their feet
firmly on the earth. Steady yourself on this earth and
then we can talk about the skies. Else you will just
fall down. If the bus conductor does not place his
feet firmly, then every time the driver applies the
brake, he will fall down. The same concept applies to
life.

This is my language and the present younger generation
is able to identify themselves with this technique. It
suits them very well. My methods are very different.
It is not easy to understand me.

But I mean only good to anyone who come to me. It is
difficult for everyone to understand me. But I mean
only good, nothing but good, to everyone who comes to
me.


Read this issue of the Rama Rajya newsletter online

---


surendra_gautam24 <surendra_gautam24@...>
wrote:

>
>
>     You are born in this world to do some good
> andnot to pass your
> days in idealness.If you are
> useless then you are a burden to this world.You must
> always to think
> of rising higher in goodne
> -ss or wisdom.Man is noblest living being.You will
> be abusing the
> previlage you have attaind if
>  you are not worthy of the cause for which your
> merits have given you
> this high place.
>     Man truely is a mind, and not just an body.And
> being a mind, he
> must be a thinker,since thin
> -king is the specific function of mind;  If does not
> know how to
> think as a man ,Then he is not a
>  prefect man.
>     Of all the infinity of beings in this universe .
> The human being
> is amongst a few species that
> have climbed the most in the up-hill travel to the
> summit of
> existence . We are near to summit
> and in one lap we may reach it.Even if we can not on
> to the direct
> and comfprtable route,trave
> -lling along which we can reach summit before
> long,and avoid the risk
> of having to fall back fro
> -m the heights we have already reached the human
> life.
>      Our most urgent task,Therefore, is to ensure
> taht we donot fall
> below our present lpan of exi
> -stance and,for the perpose,we must comprehend the
> process of life
> and realize that each one
> is at the helm of his career.Each of us must realize
> that how to
> steer his life clear of lower exist
> -ance; he must understand the map and see that he
> keeps to the
> correct routes which will main
> -tain him a higher life and which wilkl ultimately
> lead him to his
> destination.
>      Happiness and misery,which are the common lot
> of humanity, are
> the in viable efforts of so-
> me cause or causes.They are not rewards and
> punishments,assigned by a
> supernatural power
> to a soul that has done good or evil. The currents
> of life are always
> streaming in one direction .
> Man musy adopt himself tp this flow of life,and as a
> reward he can
> find complate harmony;.All
> of mans ill come from his crossing lifes currents.No
> man can cross
> the ocean in a sailing boat.
> by defying the winds; he must adjust his sail to use
> them.
>      Foe the sake of matereal gain modern man does
> not listen to the
> voice of nature.His mental
> activities are o preoccupied with his future
> happiness that he
> neglects the needs of his physical
> body and entirely forgets the present moments for
> what it is worth .
> This unnatural behaviour of
> persent mankind is the immidiate of his wrong
> conceptions of worlds
> order of human life and
> its ultimate perpose . It is the cause of
> frustration, anxiety, fear
> and unsecurity of our time .One
> who really like to have to peace should not disturb
> other mans
> freedom.
>      What are you hope for?What is the perpose of
> your life?
> Apparently a very few childrans ever
> thinks of asking themselves this question indeed
> many people will go
> through their whole lives
>  from birth to death and it will never occur to them
> to consider the
> matter at all.The result is that
>  there is no development at all. They have allowed
> every thing to
> happen to them insteed of they,themselves,making
> things happens for
> themselves.Only very few people have realised that
> the perpose of life is grouth,progress from
> ignorance top
> enlightenment and from unhappiness
> to
> happiness.
>
>
> (SURENDRA)
>
>



      
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Excerpts from speeches delivered by Siddha Yogi Shri
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From an email forwarded to us by Sri Judi Rhodes:

Something cool that Xerox is doing

If you go to this web site, www.LetsSayThanks.com
you can pick out a thank you card and Xerox will
print it and it will be sent to a soldier that is
currently serving in Iraq . You can't pick out who
gets it, but it will go to some member of the armed
services.

How AMAZING it would be if we could get everyone we
know to send one!!!  This is a great site.  Please
send a card.   It is FREE and it only takes a second.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the soldiers
received a bunch of these?   Whether you are for or
against the war, our guys and gals over there need to
know we are behind them...

From an email forwarded to us by Sri Judi Rhodes:

Something cool that Xerox is doing

If you go to this web site, www.LetsSayThanks.com
you can pick out a thank you card and Xerox will
print it and it will be sent to a soldier that is
currently serving in Iraq . You can't pick out who
gets it, but it will go to some member of the armed
services.

How AMAZING it would be if we could get everyone we
know to send one!!! This is a great site. Please
send a card. It is FREE and it only takes a second.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the soldiers
received a bunch of these? Whether you are for or
against the war, our guys and gals over there need to
know we are behind them...

to state briefly man in india we call manushan.manas meaning
mind.meditation aims at stilling the mind.by chanting one mantra and
slowly driving out all other thoughts and finally the mantra also
the mind becomes blank.having started TM thirty years back with a
mantra,initially i felt euphoric and felt thats it.but slowly there
was a feeling of dissatisfaction.i now feel mind is like any other
organ like hand or feet or eyes or ears.since this mind is involved
in almost all the sensory perceptions in recalling recollecting or
in some way it has slowly become a master and has gone crazy acting
without stop and trying to lead the person than just being an
instrument.yes while we are able to use it constructively to
analyse.judge conclude and plan we are helpless to switch it off
when not required.the children do not think much.a butterfly chase
can make them more happy than a great property.i think we have lost
the ability to switch off the mind.now the gr88  question is
fine...but how to switch off?in my  opinion it is not that difficult
either.from ecckhart tolles power of now,i realised always being
focussed on anything that we are engaged at the moment...at this
very moment..and bringing the mind constantly back to whatever we
are doing now..( not asking for much isnt it?)..not thinking about
the consequences or results or fretting about why we have not done
this yesterday or any other thought interfering...just be
here...now..100% is one thing.
secondly when we are not doing anything ..just observing what our
thoughts.mind is unable to think when looked at.
the gap in thoughts could be only couple of seconds but it is a
start..and i think ..as i read  here earlier not seeking just
watching.. watchingintently to catch a thought...
mani

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> Jeff ,
>   I have had many teachers in some most unlikely places.  Most did
not see themselves as such.  The way of many teachers is the way of
being open to all around you,  and aware of the inate knowlege
possed by many from all walks of life, there are truly wise sages
amoungst us.  What ever blockage I am currently feeling I have to
work it out on my own. My reluctance to submit my will to anouther
comes from the fact that I have met many charlotains as well as
sages, A point in case I am a pretty smart dude and I could concoct
some line of  bull shit and even make myself believe it! even derive
a sense of deep satifaction from it, then the next step I could
affect a manner of speach in the style of David Carridine and walk
around calmly despencing my knowlege.  At this point I could even
develope a fallowing, but I would not do that nor have it done to me!
>   But the great sages are out thier and I just have ro Tune My
Dial Back In
>   P/S I likke the qoutes from J.C. truly a great master I always
dug his work
>
> Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
>           Sean,
>
> There is so much information
> and insight into your perspective
> in the short paragraph you wrote,
> that it will be impossible to be
> brief in reply...but I'll try.
>
> One other thing: I'll also try
> not to sound "preachy". There
> was a teacher who used anologies
> in his really beautiful teachings,
> and I draw upon them often -
> because they are so on point.
>
> Unfortunately, the church has
> created such a trainwreck of
> what this particular master
> taught that many people have
> "thrown the baby out with the
> bathwater". (You and I have each
> used this expression).
>
> He is reported to have said that,
> "Only as child do you enter the
> Kingdom of Heaven". And as you
> have written, it is the lightness
> of being that a child knows that
> we miss as life coerces us into
> worry and stress and obligation.
>
> The good news is that there is
> a Truth that sets you free...and
> returns you to the garden - that
> lightness of being, as a nearly
> constant state of Being. Life
> will still through an occasionally
> curve ball, a shot of adrenalin,
> and a temporary rush of negativity -
> but once the Truth is discovered,
> these are only momentary flashes
> with no residual. Kind of the
> reverse of what you mention as
> glimpses into the lightness, in
> a life that lacks the lightness
> of Being - it is a lightness of
> Being with glimpses into the
> negativity the world bombards
> us with daily.
>
> It is possible to rise above the
> circumstances and enjoy a fullness
> of joy as a way of life.
>
> Some people seem to never experience
> the angst of uneasiness and longing
> for the light, but those who do find
> that is just doesn't go away. And so,
> we find ourselves "seeking". We try
> meditation and yoga, and attempt to
> pump ourselves up with resolve to
> be grateful and appreciative of
> the beauty that surrounds us every
> day in nature, music, relationships,
> and even commerce. But to resolve
> never seems to last - until...
>
> "When the student is ready, the
> teacher appears." The "teacher" can
> take many forms, and that light
> can come on when least expected.
> It seems to ALWAYS come as a rush
> of sudden wisdom.
>
> We seem more removed as time passes,
> and your keen polymorphic (a 25
> center word that I don't have a
> chance to use often) insight into the
> parallels of actually seeing the edges
> of objects more distinctly is a
> powerful reflection of that sense
> of separation and longing for
> lightness.
>
> For me, it became a desparate
> search, until I was willing to
> lose my life to/or find it. That
> doesn't have to be the case, but
> there seems to come a point where
> the longing becomes all consuming
> for some.
>
> (The following is necessarily
> subjective and offered as opinion.
> We can only teach from our own
> experiences, and there may others
> here who will offer other approaches...
>
> If you find yourself approaching that
> consuming level of inquiry...pitch your camp
> at one sight. Find a teacher. Accept
> the teaching of someone who has
> made the journey, and who is willing
> to be your guide.
>
> Your heart will resonate from the
> sound of their voice, the content
> of their teaching, or even a book
> they have written - even their
> photograph. If your teacher happens
> to be in nature, it may be to
> magic of sunrises or sunsets that
> will speak to you. You get the idea.
>
> Meditation seems to be a pretty
> common gateway to the garden to
> which you wish to return. Patience
> is virtue when it comes to this.
> (I know that's not your strongest
> virtue, and it may require some
> time in the patience gym).
>
> More later.
>
> Love, as always,
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff,
> > I've had a revelationion this morning, something I have been
> trying to articulate. In life I guess I've gleened some insights
> about people and things. I've been to the bottom of the ocean and
> around the world, I've played cards with prostitutes, drank cheap
> wine with bums, flown with CEO's in private jets and dined with
> millionairs. All these things have taught me something, but thier
is
> also something I've lost, something I've wittnessed with my kids.
> It's a lightness of being, I remember it well, that garden of eden
> but I can't seem to get back to it, I catch glimpses of it. With
> every pain felt or experienced or witnessed it seems I have grown
> harder and denser like the callouses of my hands. The worlds edges
> that define the boundry of objects in view seem sharper. And the
> yoga and meditaion under the wise tutorage of my wife just don't
seem
> to be enough, I supose I need to spend more time with my kids and
> rediscover the joy of finding butterfly eggs or a tree
> > frog or simply hanging out and realy enjoying chocolate milk.
> >
> > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > Hey Sean, I love your humor
> > and your colorful play of words.
> >
> > Email and online discussions
> > do tend to flatten the tone,
> > and often tongue-in-check
> > humor can sound sarcastic,
> > and beside the point. But...
> >
> > You seem to be one of those
> > writers who layers their prose
> > with several meanings. Some
> > are good at reading this, and
> > some miss all but the superficial
> > layer. Not to worry. It's all
> > perfect.
> >
> > Love, as always,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I guess thats what I was trying to say.....thanks Jeff. I
suppose
> I
> > have a courser manner of putting it and a bit crass as well, but
> > thats my humor of couse nobody can hear the inflections of tone
in
> my
> > voice. There are those out there who seek to lead others and
there
> > are those out there who seek to be lead.. hence drugged monkeys
and
> > organ grinders.
> > > I do supose it's not my role to correct this it's as as
humanity
> > itself, and the Buddha cautioned against taking anybodies word a
> face
> > value even his. I of course don't have the patience of the Buddha
> > > But I am glad we got the ball rolling again and thier are some
> > real discusions taking place
> > > Thanks guy's
> > >
> > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > > I hope to add clarity here
> > > and not confusion...
> > >
> > > While it is ultimately true
> > > that there is no seeking and
> > > nothing to be sought...it is
> > > a matter of timing.
> > >
> > > When we are stirred by the
> > > sense of unhappiness or "something
> > > missing" in our lives, we do
> > > initially seek an ineffable
> > > "something" to satisfy the longing
> > > for contentment and happiness.
> > >
> > > Often, that occurs to us as
> > > a new job, new car, bigger house,
> > > bigger muscles, success on our
> > > terms, new relationships, and so on.
> > >
> > > But when we achieve any or all
> > > of these "things", we find that
> > > the longing remains and we hear
> > > the old refrain, "Is this all there
> > > is?"...and we're back on the search,
> > > again.
> > >
> > > However, as tough as it may be
> > > to swallow, the paradox is that
> > > we must give up the search (the
> > > seduction as Sean described it)
> > > and come to a place of absolute
> > > surrender of the search, the
> > > desires, the longing. We must
> > > give it all up and just stop.
> > >
> > > It is here, at the stop sign,
> > > that the magic may happen. We
> > > have "seeded" our magic garden
> > > earlier with the search. To stay
> > > with this metaphor, we must now
> > > wait silently while the growth
> > > begins without our conscious
> > > knowledge. Any attempt to peek
> > > too soon destroys the potential
> > > fruit (or veggie) of Awakening.
> > >
> > > This timing aspect causes a lot
> > > of confusion and discouragement -
> > > especially when those who are
> > > not authentic in their "teaching"
> > > speak and write about not seeking.
> > >
> > > The curriculum runs: Seeking, Not
> > > Seeking, SURPRISE! The surprise
> > > is beyond anything we could think
> > > or imagine, beyond description,
> > > a joy unspeakable, a peace beyond
> > > understanding. Of course, we cannot
> > > seek it in advance, because IT
> > > does not yield to concept or idea.
> > >
> > > This is not the same as saying
> > > that IT does not exist or IT is
> > > some mental fabrication and opium
> > > of the masses (or spritually
> > > drugged monkies on minimum wage
> > > for an organ grinder).
> > >
> > > Too long already. Hope there's
> > > something here of clarity.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
> > > <sandeep1960@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > sean tremblay wrote:
> > > > > Sandeep,
> > > > > Anouther great reply
> > > > > I think what I am getting at is there is a seduction in
> Finding
> > > this
> > > > > THING and having possesion of it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *The very sense of "something-to-be-sought" call it THING or
> > Self,
> > > or
> > > > Enlightenment or happiness
> > > > constructs the sense of "you-the-seeker-of-the-defined-
sought".
> > > >
> > > > The perpetuating of the sense of "something-to-be-sought"
> > > perpetuates
> > > > the sense of "you-the-seeker-of-the-defined-sought".
> > > >
> > > > The term being used is sense of..........as no such
> construction
> > > > actually takes place.
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I like to use the terms of dependent and independent
> realities,
> > > that
> > > > > kinda jives with me
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The dependent reality as you know is the cause and efect
> > response
> > > that
> > > > > causes suffering, and alienation, raises questions and
fills
> in
> > > the
> > > > > blanks.... I'ts the filling in the blanks part that may
lead
> a
> > > person
> > > > > to manufacture an answer that may or may not lead to
> fullfilment
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Is there anything as independent reality?
> > > >
> > > > Is there anything really independent .......aka.......that
> which
> > > is not
> > > > dependent on........... which it is supposed to be
independent
> of?
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > >
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> > >
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From a science viewpoint:
Quantum cosmologists Steven Hawking and Jim Hartle suggest that concepts like a Big Bang, singularity, or a beginning and end, are meaningless because time does not exist.  This 'No Boundary' theory is actually quite consistant with what the Buddhas and Mahasiddhas from the East have been saying for thousands of years, as they embraced methods for experiencing Timelessness.

From this Quantum Cosmological view, there actually is no creation, thus no creator,...because the word creation/creator implies a before and after, or time.

From a spiritual viewpoint:
In the book Tantric Transformation, Osho said, "Start knowing what you really know, and stop believing what you really don't know.  Somebody asks you. "Is there a God?"  and you say, "Yes, God is."  Remember: Do you really know?  If you don't know, please don't say that you do.  Say, "I don't know.". . . False knowing is the enemy of true knowledge.  All beliefs are false knowledge."

From a Buddhist viewpoint:
http://www.uq.net.au/slsoc/bsq/budchr3.htm

From a neuroscience viewpoint:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html

From a logical viewpoint:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/
1. If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
2. If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
3. If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
4. If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
5. Evil exists.
6. If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.
7. Therefore, God doesn't exist.

From a Webster's Unabridged viewpoint:

1. A being (condition) conceived as the omnipotent (condition), omniscient (condition) originator and ruler (condition) of the universe (condition), the principal object (condition) of faith and worship (conditions) in monotheistic religions (conditions).
2. The force (condition), effect (condition), or a manifestation or aspect (conditions) of this being (condition).
3. A being of supernatural powers (condition) or attributes (conditions), believed in and worshiped (conditions) by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality (conditions).
4. An image of a supernatural being; an idol (conditions).
5. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed (conditioned).
6. A very handsome man (condition).
7. A powerful ruler or despot (conditions).

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sriram chandrasekar <sriramiyar@...> wrote:
>
> Excerpts from speeches delivered by Siddha Yogi Shri
> Siva Shankar Baba
>
> God is true; because it was He who created you.
> You are true; because you have been created
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From a science viewpoint:
Quantum cosmologists Steven Hawking and Jim Hartle suggest that concepts like a Big Bang, singularity, or a beginning and end, are meaningless because time does not exist.  This 'No Boundary' theory is actually quite consistant with what the Buddhas and Mahasiddhas from the East have been saying for thousands of years, as they embraced methods for experiencing Timelessness.

From this Quantum Cosmological view, there actually is no creation, thus no creator,...because the word creation/creator implies a before and after, or time.

From a spiritual viewpoint:
In the book Tantric Transformation, Osho said, "Start knowing what you really know, and stop believing what you really don't know.  Somebody asks you. "Is there a God?"  and you say, "Yes, God is."  Remember: Do you really know?  If you don't know, please don't say that you do.  Say, "I don't know.". . . False knowing is the enemy of true knowledge.  All beliefs are false knowledge."

From a Buddhist viewpoint:
http://www.uq.net.au/slsoc/bsq/budchr3.htm

From a neuroscience viewpoint:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html

From a logical viewpoint:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/
1. If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
2. If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
3. If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
4. If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
5. Evil exists.
6. If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.
7. Therefore, God doesn't exist.

From a Webster's Unabridged viewpoint:

1. A being (condition) conceived as the omnipotent (condition), omniscient (condition) originator and ruler (condition) of the universe (condition), the principal object (condition) of faith and worship (conditions) in monotheistic religions (conditions).
2. The force (condition), effect (condition), or a manifestation or aspect (conditions) of this being (condition).
3. A being of supernatural powers (condition) or attributes (conditions), believed in and worshiped (conditions) by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality (conditions).
4. An image of a supernatural being; an idol (conditions).
5. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed (conditioned).
6. A very handsome man (condition).
7. A powerful ruler or despot (conditions).

 

 

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sriram chandrasekar <sriramiyar@...> wrote:
>
> Excerpts from speeches delivered by Siddha Yogi Shri
> Siva Shankar Baba
>
> God is true; because it was He who created you.
> You are true; because you have been created
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.
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>

From a science viewpoint:
Quantum cosmologists Steven Hawking and Jim Hartle suggest that concepts like a Big Bang, singularity, or a beginning and end, are meaningless because time does not exist.  This 'No Boundary' theory is actually quite consistant with what the Buddhas and Mahasiddhas from the East have been saying for thousands of years, as they embraced methods for experiencing Timelessness.

From this Quantum Cosmological view, there actually is no creation, thus no creator,...because the word creation/creator implies a before and after, or time.

From a spiritual viewpoint:
In the book Tantric Transformation, Osho said, "Start knowing what you really know, and stop believing what you really don't know.  Somebody asks you. "Is there a God?"  and you say, "Yes, God is."  Remember: Do you really know?  If you don't know, please don't say that you do.  Say, "I don't know.". . . False knowing is the enemy of true knowledge.  All beliefs are false knowledge."

From a Buddhist viewpoint:
http://www.uq.net.au/slsoc/bsq/budchr3.htm

From a neuroscience viewpoint:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html

From a logical viewpoint:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/
1. If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
2. If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
3. If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
4. If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
5. Evil exists.
6. If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.
7. Therefore, God doesn't exist.

From a Webster's Unabridged viewpoint:

1. A being (condition) conceived as the omnipotent (condition), omniscient (condition) originator and ruler (condition) of the universe (condition), the principal object (condition) of faith and worship (conditions) in monotheistic religions (conditions).
2. The force (condition), effect (condition), or a manifestation or aspect (conditions) of this being (condition).
3. A being of supernatural powers (condition) or attributes (conditions), believed in and worshiped (conditions) by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality (conditions).
4. An image of a supernatural being; an idol (conditions).
5. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed (conditioned).
6. A very handsome man (condition).
7. A powerful ruler or despot (conditions).

 

 

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sriram chandrasekar <sriramiyar@...> wrote:
>
> Excerpts from speeches delivered by Siddha Yogi Shri
> Siva Shankar Baba
>
> God is true; because it was He who created you.
> You are true; because you have been created
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.
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God and the Scientist
One day a group of scientists got together and
decided that man had come a long way and no
longer needed God. So they picked one scientist
to go and tell Him that they were done with Him.
The scientist walked up to God and said,
"God, we've decided that we no longer need you.
We're to the point that we can clone people and
do many miraculous things, so why don't you just
go on and get lost."

God listened very patiently and kindly to the man
and after the scientist was done talking, God said,
"Very well, how about this, let's say we have a man
making contest."

To which the scientist replied, "OK, great!"

But God added, "Now, we're going to do this just like
I did back in the old days with Adam."

The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down
and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.

God just looked at him and said,
"No, no, no. You go get your own dirt!"

Seven Reasons Why a Scientist Believes in God
By A. CRESSY MORRISON,
Former President of the New York Academy of Sciences

WE ARE STILL IN THE DAWN of the scientific age,
and every increase of light reveals more brightly
the handiwork of an intelligent Creator.
We have made stupendous discoveries; with a spirit
of scientific humility and of faith grounded in
knowledge we are approaching ever
nearer to an awareness of God.

For myself, I count seven reasons for my faith:

First: By unwavering mathematical law we can prove
that our universe was designed and executed by a
great engineering intelligence.

Suppose you put ten pennies, marked from one to
ten, into your pocket and give them a good shuffle.
Now try to take them out in sequence
from one to ten, putting back the coin each time and
shaking them all again. Mathematically we know that
your chance of first drawing number
one is one in ten; of drawing one and two in succession,
one in 100; of drawing one, two and three in succession,
one in 1000, and so on; your chance of drawing them all,
from number one to number ten in succession, would reach the
unbelievable figure of one in ten billion.

By the same reasoning, so many exacting conditions
are necessary for life on the earth that they could
not possibly exist in proper relationship by chance.
The earth rotates on its axis 1000 miles an
hour at the equator; if it turned at 100 miles an hour,
our days and nights would be ten times as long as now,
and the hot sun would likely burn up our vegetation
each long day while in the long night any
surviving sprout might well freeze.

Again the sun, source of our life, has a surface
temperature of 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit, and our
earth is just far enough away so that this
"eternal life" warms us just enough and not too much!
If the sun gave off only one half its present radiation,
we would freeze, and if it
gave as much more, we would roast.

The slant of the earth, tilted at an angle of
23 degrees, gives us our seasons; if the earth had not
been so tilted, vapors from the ocean
would move north and south, piling up for us continents
of ice. If our moon were, say, only 50,000 miles away
instead of its actual distance, our tides might be so
enormous that twice a day all continents would
be submerged; even the mountains could soon be eroded
away. If the crust of the earth had only been ten feet
thicker, there would be no oxygen, without which animal
life must die. Had the ocean been a few
feet deeper, carbon dioxide and oxygen would have been
absorbed and no vegetable life could exist.

It is apparent from these and a host of other examples
that there is not one chance in billions that life on
our planet is an accident.

Second: The resourcefulness of life to accomplish
its purpose is a manifestation of an all-pervading Intelligence.

What life itself is, no man has fathomed. It has
neither weight nor dimensions, but it does have force;
a growing root will crack a rock.
Life has conquered water, land and air, mastering
the elements, compelling them to dissolve and reform their combinations.

Life, the sculptor, shapes all living things; an
artist, it designs every leaf of every tree, and
colors every flower. Life is a musician
and has taught each bird to sing its love song,
the insects to call one another in the music of their
multitudinous sounds. Life is a sublime chemist,
giving taste to fruits and spices, and perfume to the
rose, changing water and carbonic acid into sugar and
wood, and, in so doing, releasing oxygen that animals
may have the breath of life.

Behold an almost invisible drop of protoplasm,
transparent, jellylike, capable of motion, drawing
energy from the sun. This single cell, this
transparent mist-like droplet, holds within itself
the germ of life, and has power to distribute this
life to every living thing, great and
small. The powers of this droplet are greater than
our vegetation and animals and people, for all life
came from it. Nature did not create
life; fire-blistered rocks and a saltless sea could
not meet the necessary requirements.

Who, then, has put it here?

Third: Animal wisdom speaks irresistibly of a good
Creator who infused instinct into otherwise helpless
little creatures.

The young salmon spends years at sea, then comes
back to his own river, and travels up the very side
of the river into which flows the
tributary where he was born. What brings him back so
precisely? If you transfer him to another tributary
he will know at once that he is off
his course and he will fight his way down and back
to the main stream and then turn up against the current
to finish his destiny accurately.

Even more difficult to solve is the mystery of eels.
These amazing creatures migrate at maturity from
ponds and rivers everywhere - those
from Europe across thousands of miles of ocean -
all bound for the same abysmal deeps near Bermuda.
There they breed and die. The little ones, with no
apparent means of knowing anything except that they are
in a wilderness of water, nevertheless start back
and find their way not only to the very shore from
which their parents came but thence to
the selfsame rivers, lakes or little ponds. No American
eel has ever been caught in Europe, no European eel
in American waters. Nature has even delayed the maturity
of the European eel by a year or more to
make up for its longer journey. Where does the
directional impulse originate?

Fourth: Man has something more than animal instinct -
the power of reason.

No other animal has ever left a record of its
ability to count ten, or even to understand the
meaning of ten. Where instinct is like a single
note of a flute, beautiful but limited, the human
brain contains all the notes of all the instruments
in the orchestra. No need to belabor
this fourth point; thanks to human reason we can
contemplate the possibility that we are what we are
only because we have received a
spark of Universal Intelligence.

Fifth: Provision for all living is revealed in such
phenomena as the wonders of genes.

So tiny are these genes that, if all of them
responsible for all living people in the world could
be put in one place, there would be
less than a thimbleful. Yet these genes inhabit every
living cell and are the keys to all human, animal
and vegetable characteristics. A thimble is a small
place to hold all the individual characteristics of
almost three billion human beings. However, the facts
are beyond question.

Here evolution really begins - at the cell, the entity
which holds and carries the genes. That the ultra-microscopic
gene can absolutely rule
all life on earth is an example of profound cunning and
provision that could emanate only from a Creative
Intelligence; no other hypothesis will serve.

Sixth: By the economy of nature, we are forced to
realize that only infinite wisdom could have foreseen
and prepared with such astute husbandry.

Many years ago a species of cactus was planted
in Australia as a protective fence. Having no insect
enemies in Australia, the cactus soon began a prodigious
growth; the alarming abundance persisted until
the plants covered an area as long and wide as
England, crowding inhabitants out of the towns and
villages, and destroying their farms.
Seeking a defense, entomologists scoured the world;
finally they turned up an insect which lived exclusively
on cactus, and would eat nothing else. It would breed
freely, too; and it had no enemies in
Australia. So animal soon conquered vegetable, and
today the cactus pest has retreated - and with it all
but a small protective residue of
the insects, enough to hold the cactus in check forever.

Such checks and balances have been universally
provided. Why have not fast-breeding insects
dominated the earth? Because they have no lungs
such as man possesses; they breathe through tubes.
But when insects grow large, their tubes do not
grow in ratio to the increasing size of
the body. Hence there never has been an insect of
great size; this limitation on growth has held
them all in check. If this physical
check had not been provided, man could not exist.
Imagine meeting a hornet as big as a lion !

Seventh: The fact that man can conceive the idea of
God is in itself a unique proof.

The conception of God rises from a divine faculty
of man, unshared with the rest of our world - the
faculty we call imagination. By its
power, man and man alone can find the evidence of
things unseen. The vista that power opens up is
unbounded; indeed, as man's perfected
imagination becomes a spiritual reality, he may
discern in all the evidence of design and purpose
the great truth that heaven is wherever
and whatever; that God is everywhere and in everything
that nowhere so close as in our hearts.

It is scientifically as well as imaginatively true,
as the Psalmist said: The heavens declare the Glory
of God and the firmament showeth His handiwork.

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 To all who yearn for
peace, love & healing on our planet.

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The Butterfly Effect

The flap of a butterfly's wings in Brazil can set off a storm in Texas. Isn't that an amazing statement? Physicists call this theory "The Butterfly Effect" to explain how the breeze produced by a butterfly's wings could set off a series of reverberations that over time have a tremendous affect on weather patterns thousands of miles away. Now imagine the impact of millions of butterflies...

Currently on earth there is a "quickening" where more and more people are realizing there is much more to reality than meets the eye and are beginning to explore their consciousness. As we open up to the higher consciousness, we allow in a powerful energetic force which guides our individual evolutionary journey if we allow it to.

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With due respect to the man, just because his imagination is too limited to imagine a designerless universe proves nothing more than he's actually slightly dull, rather than unveiling a cosmic truth.

His invocation of the Goldilocks zone we live in is nonsense, since it a-priori assumes that life can only live in a very small niche. This has been disproved again and again as we open the depths of the oceans, or even volcanic  chasms near the surface. Life arose in conditions that would tear us apart to day... we'd boil, roast, implode, or explode if exposed to the conditions where life not just hangs in there, but thrives. Seems that humanity is the pinnacle of his creation. what a low expectation.

I also find his appeal to the mix of metaphors of very large numbers to prove, again in an un-established, un-declared a priori assumption, that life was 'too' complex in it's early stages to arise at best unconvincing and at worse, desperate. We see again and a again self-organising inorganic (non-life) systems, from magnetically charged dusts (containing no carbon) to prion development where a 'mutant' protein converts a 'normal' protein to the mutant. Again, it's more to do with 'least energy' solutions than it does to complexity...

However, life is a little too short to take a scalpel to every point raised by every person justify why they feel the need to believe or otherwise.

In the end I take the view that whatever keeps you from killing, raping or robbing your neighbour is fine, but there's no need to try and spread the idea you use, nor for it to be treated 'respectfully' by people who don't subscribe to your version of the 'creator' be it a being or simply a 'principal'.

On 10/13/07, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Seven Reasons Why a Scientist Believes in God
By A. CRESSY MORRISON,
Former President of the New York Academy of Sciences
<snipped for brevity>

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God created loam?

TBH, it's one of those late glurges that is designed to keep thinkers 'in their place'... sickly, replete with a priori assumptions and really just trite.

On 10/13/07, medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

God and the Scientist
One day a group of scientists got together and
decided that man had come a long way and no
longer needed God. So they picked one scientist
to go and tell Him that they were done with Him.
The scientist walked up to God and said,
"God, we've decided that we no longer need you.
We're to the point that we can clone people and
do many miraculous things, so why don't you just
go on and get lost."

God listened very patiently and kindly to the man
and after the scientist was done talking, God said,
"Very well, how about this, let's say we have a man
making contest."

To which the scientist replied, "OK, great!"

But God added, "Now, we're going to do this just like
I did back in the old days with Adam."

The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down
and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.

God just looked at him and said,
"No, no, no. You go get your own dirt!"

Although there are many ways to show that no god exists, the most irrefutable that I've seen, that is proof that no god exists, is light.  Light is proof that no god exists.

An awareness of light is usually cognized through meditation.  Meditation is an activity that leads to uncovering WHO we are.  We cannot (Ever, Never) know WHO we are, until we understand WHEN we are.  Besides knowing WHO we are, the realization of WHEN we are also brings an emancipation of the god delusion.  It is Impossible for a beLIEver in theism to ever realize Enlightenment or spiritual reality.  That is simply an inherent truth.

I'm also a Vajrayana Buddhist.  I've taken refuge in Vajra, where no god can possible exist.  Before one takes refuge in Vajra, they usually take refuge in Buddha,...and to take refuge in Buddha means to accept the 4 Noble Truths, which ultimately lead to the awareness that no god exists.  To beLIEve in a god is to reject Buddha.

According to the Monroe Institute (and I agree), the god idea does not extend beyond the lower 5th density of consciousness.  Robert Monroe called it Religious Terminus.

Vajradharic and Buddha consciousness is at the 7th and 8th densities of consciousness, well beyond the god delusion.

For a fuller explaination of why light is proof that no god exists, I suggest:
www.trafford.com/4dcgi/view-item?item=20857

Vicente

:)

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "jvmarco" <jvmarco@...> wrote:

From a spiritual viewpoint:
In the book Tantric Transformation, Osho said, "Start knowing what you really know, and stop believing what you really don't know.  Somebody asks you. "Is there a God?"  and you say, "Yes, God is."  Remember: Do you really know?  If you don't know, please don't say that you do.  Say, "I don't know.". . . False knowing is the enemy of true knowledge.  All beliefs are false knowledge."

From a Buddhist viewpoint:
http://www.uq.net.au/slsoc/bsq/budchr3.htm