Hello everyone out there in MeditationSocietyOfAmerica Land !!

A few months ago, I'd read a brief news snipped in some newspaper
about a "Soil Study" or a comprehensive "Study Of Soil" which
produced results which basically said that those who deal with soil
on a regular basis, such as gardeners, have physical & chemical
characteristics similar, if not identical, to persons who have
practiced Meditation on a regular basis...

Has anyone read this article, or anything of that nature ? Now that
I'm trying to find it again OnLine, I'm hitting a huge abyss of
fragmented WebSites which aren't the exact news item I'd seen a few
months ago.

I'd greatly welcome any ideas, or even if anyone has heard of this so-
called study...

Thanks a million !!

-- Charles Snow
Atlanta, Georgia
AWayOfLifeMyPathWorthyOfLaundry@hotmail.com
or
BenVereen@aol.com

Blessed Be !!
Namaste !!

Today is a good day!

May the sun warm you, may the Earth ground you, may your light shine
through the heavens!

I love all of you! :)

Namaste!

MIke

"Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be done".
This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
do!"
Kir Li Molari

"Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be done".
This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
do!"
Kir Li Molari

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self awareness,
those are two qualities we posess for a reason

" If you take away the 'will' from free will, you're free."
Swami Satchidananda

>
> medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
"Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be done".
> This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> do!"
> Kir Li Molari
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Don't get soaked.  Take a quick peak at the forecast
>  with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
>

Hi Sean -

Yours is a reasonable response...
and it speaks to the difficulty -
or rather the impossibility of precise
communication between two different
levels of consciousness. (If you're
interested, David Hawkins' book
"Power vs Force" details his take
on levels of consciousness).

The realization that "everything
works under one law" does not negate
free will, it elevates it. We can
still choose between a cheeseburger
and baked scallops, and exercise
free will on the mundane level -
the trance level, or the level
that we've been social coerced
to accept as "all there is".

But when nondual realization (by
any other name - enlightenment) breaks
through, the personal ego gives way
to the notion that the reasonsable
and rational "self awareness" is...
all there is to being alive.

(Here's where precision of language
begins to be impossible) Instead,
personal self awareness is seen
as a secondary or superficial awareness,
(even called illusory in most
eastern traditions)

Enlightened Self Awareness is
something entirely different.

Self Awareness (caps intentional)
shifts our perspective from being
an isolated and independent "thinker",
to a oneness or wholeness in which
we now know that we are an "aspect"
of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
eternal, field of consciousness.

The personal ego necessarily
goes through the agony of complete
collapse - giving way to the new
realization that...hang on to your
hat...there is a power greater
than we are as individuals. And
this "power" is beyond anything
we formerly thought or imagined,
different from personal ego..yet
we are still a fully functional "part"
of this whole unified field.

This realization brings incredible
joy and freedom - and enhanced
free will, without the "should I or
shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
trusts completely in what "Is".
And that translates to a completely
free life, freedom from fear and
doubt, and trust in one's own
judgment (free will), because it is
known that the choices are "guided"
within the context of the whole
of existence.

Jeff

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self awareness,
those are two qualities we posess for a reason
>
> medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:          "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
done".
> This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> do!"
> Kir Li Molari
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Don't get soaked.  Take a quick peak at the forecast
>  with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
>

Hi Sean -

Yours is a reasonable response...
and it speaks to the difficulty -
or rather the impossibility of precise
communication between two different
levels of consciousness. (If you're
interested, David Hawkins' book
"Power vs Force" details his take
on levels of consciousness).

The realization that "everything
works under one law" does not negate
free will, it elevates it. We can
still choose between a cheeseburger
and baked scallops, and exercise
free will on the mundane level -
the trance level, or the level
that we've been social coerced
to accept as "all there is".

But when nondual realization (by
any other name - enlightenment) breaks
through, the personal ego gives way
to the notion that the reasonsable
and rational "self awareness" is...
all there is to being alive.

(Here's where precision of language
begins to be impossible) Instead,
personal self awareness is seen
as a secondary or superficial awareness,
(even called illusory in most
eastern traditions)

Enlightened Self Awareness is
something entirely different.

Self Awareness (caps intentional)
shifts our perspective from being
an isolated and independent "thinker",
to a oneness or wholeness in which
we now know that we are an "aspect"
of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
eternal, field of consciousness.

The personal ego necessarily
goes through the agony of complete
collapse - giving way to the new
realization that...hang on to your
hat...there is a power greater
than we are as individuals. And
this "power" is beyond anything
we formerly thought or imagined,
different from personal ego..yet
we are still a fully functional "part"
of this whole unified field.

This realization brings incredible
joy and freedom - and enhanced
free will, without the "should I or
shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
trusts completely in what "Is".
And that translates to a completely
free life, freedom from fear and
doubt, and trust in one's own
judgment (free will), because it is
known that the choices are "guided"
within the context of the whole
of existence.

Jeff

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self awareness,
those are two qualities we posess for a reason
>
> medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
done".
> This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> do!"
> Kir Li Molari
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
>

In the Photos section, in the Zen and
the Art of Knifemaking album, pictures
29, 30, 31, 32, and 33 show a few of the
newest knives to appear. They once were
just steel, brass, nickle-silver, and
exotic woods, and now they are tools that
can be expected to last far longer than
the collection of atomic and pre-atomic
materials that held them and attended
to their arrival. "I" did not will them into
existence or do much else but serve as
a vehicle of their transport from one form
to another. It's also a time when different
labels can be attached to them, but will
that in any way help or prevent their use?
Of course, it can be said and seen by some
that originally they were just other
forms of atomic and pre-atomic material
that Mother Earth, or who/whatever caused
to come together. And now can't we say if
not see that that has again happened? Can
I/we really say in honesty "I did that!"?
The same collection of flesh and bones and
emotion and mentation producing material
can be pointed to in one way as "doing", but in reality
aren't thoughts, emotions, and bodily activity
just things that happen to the neurology of
the physical body that we reside in for a given
moment. And when that body is asleep, doesn't
mental, emotional, and physical activity cease
occurring? Your neuro-system is on Pause. But
the Earth isn't, and the Solar System isn't,
and the Milky Way Galaxy isn't, and our local
Galactic Cluster isn't, and our Super Galactic Cluster
isn't, and this and other universes aren't on Pause.
And don't their action and interaction "count"?
And yet we claim to be able to make things happen!
Even if we are awake, can we assert for sure
that we won't trip on our face when we get up from
reading this? And yet we claim we have "will".
And "self-control". And "can do". Isn't that hilarious!
But there is one thing we can do and that is to
witness our life as it takes place. We have been
given this freedom, but it is the rare wo/man that
takes advantage of this great Grace. And most just
look out of the 5 sense box they are stuck in and
judge, compare and comment on what flows by, rehashing
the past and fantasizing about the future, and never
look within to the infinite and eternal that is
ever present and available. And here's where
meditation comes in. There is no better way to cease the
filling up our our box with chatter and litter. And
when the box is empty of trash, it can and will fill
with the beauty of the universe. The gift that humans
have been given is the freedom to ascend and transcend
the trap that each sense and trying to make sense
brings about. When we just (as St John said) "Let IT Be",
and do no-thing, then we're really doing something.
And sometimes what happens is pretty sharp!
Peace and blessings,
Bob

Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
on many points, and much of
what may seem like differing
points of view are more a
matter of semantics.

The church (especially) and
most religious traditions have
become a train wreck of the
authentic teacher's original
teachings. Here, we absolutely
agree. There's no fun in
fundamentalism. The fanatic
religious view is the origin
of just about all wars.

Yes, too bad that the term
"Enlightenment" has fallen into
something more like entrapment
in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

Your philosophy of:

Eat good food
fall in love
raise happy kids
do meaningful work

is simply beautiful. There's
an old Zen saying that goes
something like, "Before awakening,
chop wood, carry water. After
awakening, chop wood, carry water."

I think that there is a large
audience for your "Scraped Knee
School of Philosophy". Your writing
style is unique and very appealing.
I hope that you continue to
develop that gift (inheritance).

Do you keep a journal or write
often? Considering a book? You
use great analogies and very
creative metaphors.

Love, as always,

Jeff

PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
would you?

2. A suggested perspective:

Think of the battles in the gita
and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
of the old testament or the tight-ass
writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
rather than physical battles - in terms
of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
...awakening.

3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
I went through the door. One of the great
failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
is that they leave the seeker outside
the door of awakening - leaving them
frustrated or waiting for their "reward
in heaven" - after they die. What
unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
before I pull out my soapbox.


--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
or hearing inflection in the voice.  I would say as I have been
trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
gifts and that is the gift of creation.  We are the only animal in
the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy.  The problem I
have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
belts and kid nappings and so on and so
>  forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
canaan and murder!  That of course is the extreme,  If you are
talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.  But what
realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
may find himself in a state of bliss.  But this is not enlightenment
this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
will is a contradiction in terms! Try
>  baking a cake or writing a poem without will,  And I for one do
not belive one can fuly awaken without it.  I avoid the term
Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
Good luck on your quest.
>   Eat good food
>   fall in love
>   raise happy kids
>   do meaningfull work
>
> Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
>           Hi Sean -
>
> Yours is a reasonable response...
> and it speaks to the difficulty -
> or rather the impossibility of precise
> communication between two different
> levels of consciousness. (If you're
> interested, David Hawkins' book
> "Power vs Force" details his take
> on levels of consciousness).
>
> The realization that "everything
> works under one law" does not negate
> free will, it elevates it. We can
> still choose between a cheeseburger
> and baked scallops, and exercise
> free will on the mundane level -
> the trance level, or the level
> that we've been social coerced
> to accept as "all there is".
>
> But when nondual realization (by
> any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> through, the personal ego gives way
> to the notion that the reasonsable
> and rational "self awareness" is...
> all there is to being alive.
>
> (Here's where precision of language
> begins to be impossible) Instead,
> personal self awareness is seen
> as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> (even called illusory in most
> eastern traditions)
>
> Enlightened Self Awareness is
> something entirely different.
>
> Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> shifts our perspective from being
> an isolated and independent "thinker",
> to a oneness or wholeness in which
> we now know that we are an "aspect"
> of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> eternal, field of consciousness.
>
> The personal ego necessarily
> goes through the agony of complete
> collapse - giving way to the new
> realization that...hang on to your
> hat...there is a power greater
> than we are as individuals. And
> this "power" is beyond anything
> we formerly thought or imagined,
> different from personal ego..yet
> we are still a fully functional "part"
> of this whole unified field.
>
> This realization brings incredible
> joy and freedom - and enhanced
> free will, without the "should I or
> shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> trusts completely in what "Is".
> And that translates to a completely
> free life, freedom from fear and
> doubt, and trust in one's own
> judgment (free will), because it is
> known that the choices are "guided"
> within the context of the whole
> of existence.
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
awareness,
> those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> >
> > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> done".
> > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > do!"
> > Kir Li Molari
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> Check out fitting  gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
>

Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
on many points, and much of
what may seem like differing
points of view are more a
matter of semantics.

The church (especially) and
most religious traditions have
become a train wreck of the
authentic teacher's original
teachings. Here, we absolutely
agree. There's no fun in
fundamentalism. The fanatic
religious view is the origin
of just about all wars.

Yes, too bad that the term
"Enlightenment" has fallen into
something more like entrapment
in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

Your philosophy of:

Eat good food
fall in love
raise happy kids
do meaningful work

is simply beautiful. There's
an old Zen saying that goes
something like, "Before awakening,
chop wood, carry water. After
awakening, chop wood, carry water."

I think that there is a large
audience for your "Scraped Knee
School of Philosophy". Your writing
style is unique and very appealing.
I hope that you continue to
develop that gift (inheritance).

Do you keep a journal or write
often? Considering a book? You
use great analogies and very
creative metaphors.

Love, as always,

Jeff

PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
would you?

2. A suggested perspective:

Think of the battles in the gita
and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
of the old testament or the tight-ass
writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
rather than physical battles - in terms
of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
...awakening.

3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
I went through the door. One of the great
failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
is that they leave the seeker outside
the door of awakening - leaving them
frustrated or waiting for their "reward
in heaven" - after they die. What
unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
before I pull out my soapbox.

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
Good luck on your quest.
> Eat good food
> fall in love
> raise happy kids
> do meaningfull work
>
> Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
> Hi Sean -
>
> Yours is a reasonable response...
> and it speaks to the difficulty -
> or rather the impossibility of precise
> communication between two different
> levels of consciousness. (If you're
> interested, David Hawkins' book
> "Power vs Force" details his take
> on levels of consciousness).
>
> The realization that "everything
> works under one law" does not negate
> free will, it elevates it. We can
> still choose between a cheeseburger
> and baked scallops, and exercise
> free will on the mundane level -
> the trance level, or the level
> that we've been social coerced
> to accept as "all there is".
>
> But when nondual realization (by
> any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> through, the personal ego gives way
> to the notion that the reasonsable
> and rational "self awareness" is...
> all there is to being alive.
>
> (Here's where precision of language
> begins to be impossible) Instead,
> personal self awareness is seen
> as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> (even called illusory in most
> eastern traditions)
>
> Enlightened Self Awareness is
> something entirely different.
>
> Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> shifts our perspective from being
> an isolated and independent "thinker",
> to a oneness or wholeness in which
> we now know that we are an "aspect"
> of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> eternal, field of consciousness.
>
> The personal ego necessarily
> goes through the agony of complete
> collapse - giving way to the new
> realization that...hang on to your
> hat...there is a power greater
> than we are as individuals. And
> this "power" is beyond anything
> we formerly thought or imagined,
> different from personal ego..yet
> we are still a fully functional "part"
> of this whole unified field.
>
> This realization brings incredible
> joy and freedom - and enhanced
> free will, without the "should I or
> shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> trusts completely in what "Is".
> And that translates to a completely
> free life, freedom from fear and
> doubt, and trust in one's own
> judgment (free will), because it is
> known that the choices are "guided"
> within the context of the whole
> of existence.
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
awareness,
> those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> >
> > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> done".
> > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > do!"
> > Kir Li Molari
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
>

"God put your arm around my
shoulder and your hand on my mouth."
As shared by Rose Robinson

Great, Sean. I'd love to see some
of your writing - not to critique,
but to simply enjoy.

Mucho gracias for the shrimp burrito recipe.
Looks like a few more cold ones would
be necessary to get me past the jalapeno
and chili combine! Yeow! Sounds scrumptious.

When we were in the Baltimore area,
they used to serve chili-pepper hot
soft shell crabs with a pitcher of beer...

Next morning...wicked headache, and
a burn ring around the mouth. But, boy,
were they good (as much as I can remember).

About the movie:

The good thing is...no one can
tell you the ending. It must be
personally experienced. The joy
is in the journey as well as
the discovery...and as Rumi
wrote:

I kept knocking on the door
until I realized that I was
knocking from the inside.


--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> Jeff as a matter of fact I am writing.  I've been working on three
different pieces, one I started while I was offshore as a way to
keeping connected with my kids, I would e-mail them a chapter every
night as bed time stories.  I also have a horror story for lack of a
better term it's a way of exercising demons and creating an exiting
story in the process, certain characters are formed by aspects of my
own psyche. I am also working on something more personal but that
will take a while,  It's intimidating to lay yourself bare for all to
read but it's something I admired in guy's like Brakowski.  The
biggest huddle is being satisfied enough with a piece to submit.  We
can be are own worse critics (but when I see allot of junk being
published I suppose I can pull it off).
>   Burritos
>   Shrimp
>   roasted potato's
>   cilantro
>   chopped peppers, Scotch bonnet, jalapeno etc.
>   red onion
>   balsamic, just a splash
>   Spanish chili powder
>   garlic
>   Goya brand ranchero sauce
>   In a skillet saute shrimp, peppers, and onion in olive oil add
garlic and roast potatoes, splash with balsamic(or white wine) add
chili powder to taste (if it looks good it tastes good) roll in large
burrito add large amounts of whole leaf cilantro and cheese
>   cover rolled burrito in a small stream of ranchero top with more
cheese and bake at 350, buy time your ready to crack your second dos
equis the burritos will be done.
>   Congratulations on your awakening
>   Please don't tell me the ending
>   I'm still watching the movie
>
>
> Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
>           Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
> on many points, and much of
> what may seem like differing
> points of view are more a
> matter of semantics.
>
> The church (especially) and
> most religious traditions have
> become a train wreck of the
> authentic teacher's original
> teachings. Here, we absolutely
> agree. There's no fun in
> fundamentalism. The fanatic
> religious view is the origin
> of just about all wars.
>
> Yes, too bad that the term
> "Enlightenment" has fallen into
> something more like entrapment
> in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
>
> Your philosophy of:
>
> Eat good food
> fall in love
> raise happy kids
> do meaningful work
>
> is simply beautiful. There's
> an old Zen saying that goes
> something like, "Before awakening,
> chop wood, carry water. After
> awakening, chop wood, carry water."
>
> I think that there is a large
> audience for your "Scraped Knee
> School of Philosophy". Your writing
> style is unique and very appealing.
> I hope that you continue to
> develop that gift (inheritance).
>
> Do you keep a journal or write
> often? Considering a book? You
> use great analogies and very
> creative metaphors.
>
> Love, as always,
>
> Jeff
>
> PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
>
> 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
> would you?
>
> 2. A suggested perspective:
>
> Think of the battles in the gita
> and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
> of the old testament or the tight-ass
> writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
> rather than physical battles - in terms
> of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
> the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
> ...awakening.
>
> 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
> I went through the door. One of the great
> failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
> is that they leave the seeker outside
> the door of awakening - leaving them
> frustrated or waiting for their "reward
> in heaven" - after they die. What
> unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
> bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
> before I pull out my soapbox.
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
> it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
expresion
> or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
> trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
> course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
important
> gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
> the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
> conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
a
> kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
> bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
> probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
bit "Willfull"
> and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
> have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
to
> reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
> belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
> sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
be
> trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
it
> from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
of
> canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
> talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
> as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
> realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
> enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
> may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
> this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
the
> pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
> not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
> disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
> will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
> not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
> Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
> Good luck on your quest.
> > Eat good food
> > fall in love
> > raise happy kids
> > do meaningfull work
> >
> > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > Hi Sean -
> >
> > Yours is a reasonable response...
> > and it speaks to the difficulty -
> > or rather the impossibility of precise
> > communication between two different
> > levels of consciousness. (If you're
> > interested, David Hawkins' book
> > "Power vs Force" details his take
> > on levels of consciousness).
> >
> > The realization that "everything
> > works under one law" does not negate
> > free will, it elevates it. We can
> > still choose between a cheeseburger
> > and baked scallops, and exercise
> > free will on the mundane level -
> > the trance level, or the level
> > that we've been social coerced
> > to accept as "all there is".
> >
> > But when nondual realization (by
> > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> > through, the personal ego gives way
> > to the notion that the reasonsable
> > and rational "self awareness" is...
> > all there is to being alive.
> >
> > (Here's where precision of language
> > begins to be impossible) Instead,
> > personal self awareness is seen
> > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> > (even called illusory in most
> > eastern traditions)
> >
> > Enlightened Self Awareness is
> > something entirely different.
> >
> > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> > shifts our perspective from being
> > an isolated and independent "thinker",
> > to a oneness or wholeness in which
> > we now know that we are an "aspect"
> > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> > eternal, field of consciousness.
> >
> > The personal ego necessarily
> > goes through the agony of complete
> > collapse - giving way to the new
> > realization that...hang on to your
> > hat...there is a power greater
> > than we are as individuals. And
> > this "power" is beyond anything
> > we formerly thought or imagined,
> > different from personal ego..yet
> > we are still a fully functional "part"
> > of this whole unified field.
> >
> > This realization brings incredible
> > joy and freedom - and enhanced
> > free will, without the "should I or
> > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> > trusts completely in what "Is".
> > And that translates to a completely
> > free life, freedom from fear and
> > doubt, and trust in one's own
> > judgment (free will), because it is
> > known that the choices are "guided"
> > within the context of the whole
> > of existence.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
> awareness,
> > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> > >
> > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> > done".
> > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > > do!"
> > > Kir Li Molari
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
story.
>  Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
>

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, medit8ionsociety
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> "God put your arm around my
> shoulder and your hand on my mouth."
> As shared by Rose Robinson
>

Thanks, Bob (and Rose). Sure could
have used that one more than a few
times.

Jeff

A recent inquiry from my
web site about achieving
goals was about...playing
poker.

Ummmmm. Meditation, relaxation
techniques, visualization, hypnosis
and guided imagery are used in my
work (play) with golfers, tennis
players, and recently with a
baseball player.

And it is used for quitting
smoking and achieving ideal
weight, even personal development
in careers and relationships.

But, poker? Ummmm, again.
A trip to online poker...and
an eventual win, and...

Enter, "Play Better Poker,
The Mind Game." If you like,
check it out at www.mindgoal.com
and send some feedback/opinion/
testimonial/stuff.

Thanks,

Jeff

You know what would be wonderful?  Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.

Aideen

---

From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life

Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
on many points, and much of
what may seem like differing
points of view are more a
matter of semantics.

The church (especially) and
most religious traditions have
become a train wreck of the
authentic teacher's original
teachings. Here, we absolutely
agree. There's no fun in
fundamentalism. The fanatic
religious view is the origin
of just about all wars.

Yes, too bad that the term
"Enlightenment" has fallen into
something more like entrapment
in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".

Your philosophy of:

Eat good food
fall in love
raise happy kids
do meaningful work

is simply beautiful. There's
an old Zen saying that goes
something like, "Before awakening,
chop wood, carry water. After
awakening, chop wood, carry water."

I think that there is a large
audience for your "Scraped Knee
School of Philosophy". Your writing
style is unique and very appealing.
I hope that you continue to
develop that gift (inheritance).

Do you keep a journal or write
often? Considering a book? You
use great analogies and very
creative metaphors.

Love, as always,

Jeff

PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:

1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
would you?

2. A suggested perspective:

Think of the battles in the gita
and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
of the old testament or the tight-ass
writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
rather than physical battles - in terms
of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
...awakening.

3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
I went through the door. One of the great
failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
is that they leave the seeker outside
the door of awakening - leaving them
frustrated or waiting for their "reward
in heaven" - after they die. What
unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
before I pull out my soapbox.

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing expresion
or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most important
gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or a
kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a bit "Willfull"
and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all to
reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it be
trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by it
from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land of
canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because the
pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
Good luck on your quest.
> Eat good food
> fall in love
> raise happy kids
> do meaningfull work
>
> Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
> Hi Sean -
>
> Yours is a reasonable response...
> and it speaks to the difficulty -
> or rather the impossibility of precise
> communication between two different
> levels of consciousness. (If you're
> interested, David Hawkins' book
> "Power vs Force" details his take
> on levels of consciousness).
>
> The realization that "everything
> works under one law" does not negate
> free will, it elevates it. We can
> still choose between a cheeseburger
> and baked scallops, and exercise
> free will on the mundane level -
> the trance level, or the level
> that we've been social coerced
> to accept as "all there is".
>
> But when nondual realization (by
> any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> through, the personal ego gives way
> to the notion that the reasonsable
> and rational "self awareness" is...
> all there is to being alive.
>
> (Here's where precision of language
> begins to be impossible) Instead,
> personal self awareness is seen
> as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> (even called illusory in most
> eastern traditions)
>
> Enlightened Self Awareness is
> something entirely different.
>
> Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> shifts our perspective from being
> an isolated and independent "thinker",
> to a oneness or wholeness in which
> we now know that we are an "aspect"
> of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> eternal, field of consciousness.
>
> The personal ego necessarily
> goes through the agony of complete
> collapse - giving way to the new
> realization that...hang on to your
> hat...there is a power greater
> than we are as individuals. And
> this "power" is beyond anything
> we formerly thought or imagined,
> different from personal ego..yet
> we are still a fully functional "part"
> of this whole unified field.
>
> This realization brings incredible
> joy and freedom - and enhanced
> free will, without the "should I or
> shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> trusts completely in what "Is".
> And that translates to a completely
> free life, freedom from fear and
> doubt, and trust in one's own
> judgment (free will), because it is
> known that the choices are "guided"
> within the context of the whole
> of existence.
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
awareness,
> those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> >
> > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> done".
> > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > do!"
> > Kir Li Molari
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
>

Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
format - like we are doing here. Any title
suggestions?

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Aideen
>
> Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote:              You know what
would be wonderful?  Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
>
>   Aideen
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>   From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Belyea
> Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
> To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
>
>
>         Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
> on many points, and much of
> what may seem like differing
> points of view are more a
> matter of semantics.
>
> The church (especially) and
> most religious traditions have
> become a train wreck of the
> authentic teacher's original
> teachings. Here, we absolutely
> agree. There's no fun in
> fundamentalism. The fanatic
> religious view is the origin
> of just about all wars.
>
> Yes, too bad that the term
> "Enlightenment" has fallen into
> something more like entrapment
> in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
>
> Your philosophy of:
>
> Eat good food
> fall in love
> raise happy kids
> do meaningful work
>
> is simply beautiful. There's
> an old Zen saying that goes
> something like, "Before awakening,
> chop wood, carry water. After
> awakening, chop wood, carry water."
>
> I think that there is a large
> audience for your "Scraped Knee
> School of Philosophy". Your writing
> style is unique and very appealing.
> I hope that you continue to
> develop that gift (inheritance).
>
> Do you keep a journal or write
> often? Considering a book? You
> use great analogies and very
> creative metaphors.
>
> Love, as always,
>
> Jeff
>
> PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
>
> 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
> would you?
>
> 2. A suggested perspective:
>
> Think of the battles in the gita
> and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
> of the old testament or the tight-ass
> writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
> rather than physical battles - in terms
> of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
> the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
> ...awakening.
>
> 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
> I went through the door. One of the great
> failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
> is that they leave the seeker outside
> the door of awakening - leaving them
> frustrated or waiting for their "reward
> in heaven" - after they die. What
> unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
> bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
> before I pull out my soapbox.
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
> it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
expresion
> or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
> trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
> course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
important
> gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
> the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
> conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
a
> kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
> bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
> probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
bit "Willfull"
> and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
> have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
to
> reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
> belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
> sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
be
> trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
it
> from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
of
> canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
> talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
> as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
> realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
> enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
> may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
> this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
the
> pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
> not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
> disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
> will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
> not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
> Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
> Good luck on your quest.
> > Eat good food
> > fall in love
> > raise happy kids
> > do meaningfull work
> >
> > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > Hi Sean -
> >
> > Yours is a reasonable response...
> > and it speaks to the difficulty -
> > or rather the impossibility of precise
> > communication between two different
> > levels of consciousness. (If you're
> > interested, David Hawkins' book
> > "Power vs Force" details his take
> > on levels of consciousness).
> >
> > The realization that "everything
> > works under one law" does not negate
> > free will, it elevates it. We can
> > still choose between a cheeseburger
> > and baked scallops, and exercise
> > free will on the mundane level -
> > the trance level, or the level
> > that we've been social coerced
> > to accept as "all there is".
> >
> > But when nondual realization (by
> > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> > through, the personal ego gives way
> > to the notion that the reasonsable
> > and rational "self awareness" is...
> > all there is to being alive.
> >
> > (Here's where precision of language
> > begins to be impossible) Instead,
> > personal self awareness is seen
> > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> > (even called illusory in most
> > eastern traditions)
> >
> > Enlightened Self Awareness is
> > something entirely different.
> >
> > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> > shifts our perspective from being
> > an isolated and independent "thinker",
> > to a oneness or wholeness in which
> > we now know that we are an "aspect"
> > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> > eternal, field of consciousness.
> >
> > The personal ego necessarily
> > goes through the agony of complete
> > collapse - giving way to the new
> > realization that...hang on to your
> > hat...there is a power greater
> > than we are as individuals. And
> > this "power" is beyond anything
> > we formerly thought or imagined,
> > different from personal ego..yet
> > we are still a fully functional "part"
> > of this whole unified field.
> >
> > This realization brings incredible
> > joy and freedom - and enhanced
> > free will, without the "should I or
> > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> > trusts completely in what "Is".
> > And that translates to a completely
> > free life, freedom from fear and
> > doubt, and trust in one's own
> > judgment (free will), because it is
> > known that the choices are "guided"
> > within the context of the whole
> > of existence.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
> awareness,
> > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> > >
> > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> > done".
> > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > > do!"
> > > Kir Li Molari
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
who knows.
> Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
>

Interesting concept. Maybe in a "dialogue"
format - like we are doing here. Any title
suggestions?

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Aideen
>
> Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@...> wrote: You know what
would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
>
> Aideen
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Belyea
> Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
> To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
>
>
> Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
> on many points, and much of
> what may seem like differing
> points of view are more a
> matter of semantics.
>
> The church (especially) and
> most religious traditions have
> become a train wreck of the
> authentic teacher's original
> teachings. Here, we absolutely
> agree. There's no fun in
> fundamentalism. The fanatic
> religious view is the origin
> of just about all wars.
>
> Yes, too bad that the term
> "Enlightenment" has fallen into
> something more like entrapment
> in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
>
> Your philosophy of:
>
> Eat good food
> fall in love
> raise happy kids
> do meaningful work
>
> is simply beautiful. There's
> an old Zen saying that goes
> something like, "Before awakening,
> chop wood, carry water. After
> awakening, chop wood, carry water."
>
> I think that there is a large
> audience for your "Scraped Knee
> School of Philosophy". Your writing
> style is unique and very appealing.
> I hope that you continue to
> develop that gift (inheritance).
>
> Do you keep a journal or write
> often? Considering a book? You
> use great analogies and very
> creative metaphors.
>
> Love, as always,
>
> Jeff
>
> PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
>
> 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
> would you?
>
> 2. A suggested perspective:
>
> Think of the battles in the gita
> and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
> of the old testament or the tight-ass
> writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
> rather than physical battles - in terms
> of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
> the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
> ...awakening.
>
> 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
> I went through the door. One of the great
> failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
> is that they leave the seeker outside
> the door of awakening - leaving them
> frustrated or waiting for their "reward
> in heaven" - after they die. What
> unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
> bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
> before I pull out my soapbox.
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
> it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
expresion
> or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
> trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and of
> course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
important
> gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
> the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest and
> conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis or
a
> kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe the
> bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
> probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
bit "Willfull"
> and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem I
> have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
to
> reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
> belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
> sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let it
be
> trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
it
> from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the land
of
> canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
> talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on board.
> as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But what
> realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake of
> enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that person
> may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not enlightenment
> this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
the
> pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language does
> not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
> disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
> will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
> not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
> Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the delusional.
> Good luck on your quest.
> > Eat good food
> > fall in love
> > raise happy kids
> > do meaningfull work
> >
> > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > Hi Sean -
> >
> > Yours is a reasonable response...
> > and it speaks to the difficulty -
> > or rather the impossibility of precise
> > communication between two different
> > levels of consciousness. (If you're
> > interested, David Hawkins' book
> > "Power vs Force" details his take
> > on levels of consciousness).
> >
> > The realization that "everything
> > works under one law" does not negate
> > free will, it elevates it. We can
> > still choose between a cheeseburger
> > and baked scallops, and exercise
> > free will on the mundane level -
> > the trance level, or the level
> > that we've been social coerced
> > to accept as "all there is".
> >
> > But when nondual realization (by
> > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> > through, the personal ego gives way
> > to the notion that the reasonsable
> > and rational "self awareness" is...
> > all there is to being alive.
> >
> > (Here's where precision of language
> > begins to be impossible) Instead,
> > personal self awareness is seen
> > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> > (even called illusory in most
> > eastern traditions)
> >
> > Enlightened Self Awareness is
> > something entirely different.
> >
> > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> > shifts our perspective from being
> > an isolated and independent "thinker",
> > to a oneness or wholeness in which
> > we now know that we are an "aspect"
> > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> > eternal, field of consciousness.
> >
> > The personal ego necessarily
> > goes through the agony of complete
> > collapse - giving way to the new
> > realization that...hang on to your
> > hat...there is a power greater
> > than we are as individuals. And
> > this "power" is beyond anything
> > we formerly thought or imagined,
> > different from personal ego..yet
> > we are still a fully functional "part"
> > of this whole unified field.
> >
> > This realization brings incredible
> > joy and freedom - and enhanced
> > free will, without the "should I or
> > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> > trusts completely in what "Is".
> > And that translates to a completely
> > free life, freedom from fear and
> > doubt, and trust in one's own
> > judgment (free will), because it is
> > known that the choices are "guided"
> > within the context of the whole
> > of existence.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
> awareness,
> > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> > >
> > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> > done".
> > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > > do!"
> > > Kir Li Molari
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
who knows.
> Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
>

I like it. Maybe...

the fly gets annointed.

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> fly in the ointment
>
> Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:          Interesting concept. Maybe
in a "dialogue"
> format - like we are doing here. Any title
> suggestions?
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Aideen
> >
> > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
> would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
> >
> > Aideen
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jeff
> Belyea
> > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
> > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
> > on many points, and much of
> > what may seem like differing
> > points of view are more a
> > matter of semantics.
> >
> > The church (especially) and
> > most religious traditions have
> > become a train wreck of the
> > authentic teacher's original
> > teachings. Here, we absolutely
> > agree. There's no fun in
> > fundamentalism. The fanatic
> > religious view is the origin
> > of just about all wars.
> >
> > Yes, too bad that the term
> > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
> > something more like entrapment
> > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
> >
> > Your philosophy of:
> >
> > Eat good food
> > fall in love
> > raise happy kids
> > do meaningful work
> >
> > is simply beautiful. There's
> > an old Zen saying that goes
> > something like, "Before awakening,
> > chop wood, carry water. After
> > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
> >
> > I think that there is a large
> > audience for your "Scraped Knee
> > School of Philosophy". Your writing
> > style is unique and very appealing.
> > I hope that you continue to
> > develop that gift (inheritance).
> >
> > Do you keep a journal or write
> > often? Considering a book? You
> > use great analogies and very
> > creative metaphors.
> >
> > Love, as always,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
> >
> > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
> > would you?
> >
> > 2. A suggested perspective:
> >
> > Think of the battles in the gita
> > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
> > of the old testament or the tight-ass
> > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
> > rather than physical battles - in terms
> > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
> > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
> > ...awakening.
> >
> > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
> > I went through the door. One of the great
> > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
> > is that they leave the seeker outside
> > the door of awakening - leaving them
> > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
> > in heaven" - after they die. What
> > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
> > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
> > before I pull out my soapbox.
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also know
> > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
> expresion
> > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
> > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul" and
of
> > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
> important
> > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal in
> > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
and
> > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles Davis
or
> a
> > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
the
> > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass it's
> > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
> bit "Willfull"
> > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The problem
I
> > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is all
> to
> > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to bomb
> > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
> > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
it
> be
> > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I by
> it
> > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
land
> of
> > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
> > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
board.
> > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
what
> > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the sake
of
> > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
person
> > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
enlightenment
> > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just because
> the
> > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
does
> > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So I
> > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom without
> > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one do
> > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
> > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
delusional.
> > Good luck on your quest.
> > > Eat good food
> > > fall in love
> > > raise happy kids
> > > do meaningfull work
> > >
> > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > > Hi Sean -
> > >
> > > Yours is a reasonable response...
> > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
> > > or rather the impossibility of precise
> > > communication between two different
> > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
> > > interested, David Hawkins' book
> > > "Power vs Force" details his take
> > > on levels of consciousness).
> > >
> > > The realization that "everything
> > > works under one law" does not negate
> > > free will, it elevates it. We can
> > > still choose between a cheeseburger
> > > and baked scallops, and exercise
> > > free will on the mundane level -
> > > the trance level, or the level
> > > that we've been social coerced
> > > to accept as "all there is".
> > >
> > > But when nondual realization (by
> > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> > > through, the personal ego gives way
> > > to the notion that the reasonsable
> > > and rational "self awareness" is...
> > > all there is to being alive.
> > >
> > > (Here's where precision of language
> > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
> > > personal self awareness is seen
> > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> > > (even called illusory in most
> > > eastern traditions)
> > >
> > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
> > > something entirely different.
> > >
> > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> > > shifts our perspective from being
> > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
> > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
> > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
> > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> > > eternal, field of consciousness.
> > >
> > > The personal ego necessarily
> > > goes through the agony of complete
> > > collapse - giving way to the new
> > > realization that...hang on to your
> > > hat...there is a power greater
> > > than we are as individuals. And
> > > this "power" is beyond anything
> > > we formerly thought or imagined,
> > > different from personal ego..yet
> > > we are still a fully functional "part"
> > > of this whole unified field.
> > >
> > > This realization brings incredible
> > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
> > > free will, without the "should I or
> > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> > > trusts completely in what "Is".
> > > And that translates to a completely
> > > free life, freedom from fear and
> > > doubt, and trust in one's own
> > > judgment (free will), because it is
> > > known that the choices are "guided"
> > > within the context of the whole
> > > of existence.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
tremblay
> > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
> > awareness,
> > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> > > >
> > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> > > done".
> > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > > > do!"
> > > > Kir Li Molari
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone
> who knows.
> > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally,  mobile search that gives answers, not
web links.
>

Just for clarification:

"Annointed" (usally spelled
"anointed") is a combination
word, meaning - annoyed and
anointed.

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
<jeff@...> wrote:
>
> I like it. Maybe...
>
> the fly gets annointed.
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > fly in the ointment
> >
> > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:          Interesting concept. Maybe
> in a "dialogue"
> > format - like we are doing here. Any title
> > suggestions?
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Aideen
> > >
> > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
> > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
> > >
> > > Aideen
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > >
> > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Jeff
> > Belyea
> > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
> > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
> > > on many points, and much of
> > > what may seem like differing
> > > points of view are more a
> > > matter of semantics.
> > >
> > > The church (especially) and
> > > most religious traditions have
> > > become a train wreck of the
> > > authentic teacher's original
> > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
> > > agree. There's no fun in
> > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
> > > religious view is the origin
> > > of just about all wars.
> > >
> > > Yes, too bad that the term
> > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
> > > something more like entrapment
> > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
> > >
> > > Your philosophy of:
> > >
> > > Eat good food
> > > fall in love
> > > raise happy kids
> > > do meaningful work
> > >
> > > is simply beautiful. There's
> > > an old Zen saying that goes
> > > something like, "Before awakening,
> > > chop wood, carry water. After
> > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
> > >
> > > I think that there is a large
> > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
> > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
> > > style is unique and very appealing.
> > > I hope that you continue to
> > > develop that gift (inheritance).
> > >
> > > Do you keep a journal or write
> > > often? Considering a book? You
> > > use great analogies and very
> > > creative metaphors.
> > >
> > > Love, as always,
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
> > >
> > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
> > > would you?
> > >
> > > 2. A suggested perspective:
> > >
> > > Think of the battles in the gita
> > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
> > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
> > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
> > > rather than physical battles - in terms
> > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
> > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
> > > ...awakening.
> > >
> > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
> > > I went through the door. One of the great
> > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
> > > is that they leave the seeker outside
> > > the door of awakening - leaving them
> > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
> > > in heaven" - after they die. What
> > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
> > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
> > > before I pull out my soapbox.
> > >
> > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
tremblay
> > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
know
> > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
> > expresion
> > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
> > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
and
> of
> > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
> > important
> > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal
in
> > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
> and
> > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
Davis
> or
> > a
> > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
> the
> > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
it's
> > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
> > bit "Willfull"
> > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
problem
> I
> > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
all
> > to
> > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
bomb
> > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
> > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
> it
> > be
> > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I
by
> > it
> > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
> land
> > of
> > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
> > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
> board.
> > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
> what
> > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
sake
> of
> > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
> person
> > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
> enlightenment
> > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
because
> > the
> > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
> does
> > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So
I
> > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
without
> > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
do
> > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
> > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
> delusional.
> > > Good luck on your quest.
> > > > Eat good food
> > > > fall in love
> > > > raise happy kids
> > > > do meaningfull work
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > > > Hi Sean -
> > > >
> > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
> > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
> > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
> > > > communication between two different
> > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
> > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
> > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
> > > > on levels of consciousness).
> > > >
> > > > The realization that "everything
> > > > works under one law" does not negate
> > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
> > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
> > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
> > > > free will on the mundane level -
> > > > the trance level, or the level
> > > > that we've been social coerced
> > > > to accept as "all there is".
> > > >
> > > > But when nondual realization (by
> > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> > > > through, the personal ego gives way
> > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
> > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
> > > > all there is to being alive.
> > > >
> > > > (Here's where precision of language
> > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
> > > > personal self awareness is seen
> > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> > > > (even called illusory in most
> > > > eastern traditions)
> > > >
> > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
> > > > something entirely different.
> > > >
> > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> > > > shifts our perspective from being
> > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
> > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
> > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
> > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
> > > >
> > > > The personal ego necessarily
> > > > goes through the agony of complete
> > > > collapse - giving way to the new
> > > > realization that...hang on to your
> > > > hat...there is a power greater
> > > > than we are as individuals. And
> > > > this "power" is beyond anything
> > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
> > > > different from personal ego..yet
> > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
> > > > of this whole unified field.
> > > >
> > > > This realization brings incredible
> > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
> > > > free will, without the "should I or
> > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
> > > > And that translates to a completely
> > > > free life, freedom from fear and
> > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
> > > > judgment (free will), because it is
> > > > known that the choices are "guided"
> > > > within the context of the whole
> > > > of existence.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
> tremblay
> > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
> > > awareness,
> > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> > > > >
> > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> > > > done".
> > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > > > > do!"
> > > > > Kir Li Molari
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
someone
> > who knows.
> > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally,  mobile search that gives answers, not
> web links.
> >
>

Just for clarification:

"Annointed" (usally spelled
"anointed") is a combination
word, meaning - annoyed and
anointed.

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
<jeff@...> wrote:
>
> I like it. Maybe...
>
> the fly gets annointed.
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > fly in the ointment
> >
> > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
> in a "dialogue"
> > format - like we are doing here. Any title
> > suggestions?
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Aideen
> > >
> > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
> > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a book.
> > >
> > > Aideen
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > >
> > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Jeff
> > Belyea
> > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
> > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
> > > on many points, and much of
> > > what may seem like differing
> > > points of view are more a
> > > matter of semantics.
> > >
> > > The church (especially) and
> > > most religious traditions have
> > > become a train wreck of the
> > > authentic teacher's original
> > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
> > > agree. There's no fun in
> > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
> > > religious view is the origin
> > > of just about all wars.
> > >
> > > Yes, too bad that the term
> > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
> > > something more like entrapment
> > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
> > >
> > > Your philosophy of:
> > >
> > > Eat good food
> > > fall in love
> > > raise happy kids
> > > do meaningful work
> > >
> > > is simply beautiful. There's
> > > an old Zen saying that goes
> > > something like, "Before awakening,
> > > chop wood, carry water. After
> > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
> > >
> > > I think that there is a large
> > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
> > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
> > > style is unique and very appealing.
> > > I hope that you continue to
> > > develop that gift (inheritance).
> > >
> > > Do you keep a journal or write
> > > often? Considering a book? You
> > > use great analogies and very
> > > creative metaphors.
> > >
> > > Love, as always,
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
> > >
> > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
> > > would you?
> > >
> > > 2. A suggested perspective:
> > >
> > > Think of the battles in the gita
> > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
> > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
> > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
> > > rather than physical battles - in terms
> > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
> > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
> > > ...awakening.
> > >
> > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
> > > I went through the door. One of the great
> > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
> > > is that they leave the seeker outside
> > > the door of awakening - leaving them
> > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
> > > in heaven" - after they die. What
> > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
> > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
> > > before I pull out my soapbox.
> > >
> > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
tremblay
> > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
know
> > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
> > expresion
> > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have been
> > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
and
> of
> > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
> > important
> > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only animal
in
> > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet manifest
> and
> > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
Davis
> or
> > a
> > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I believe
> the
> > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
it's
> > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
> > bit "Willfull"
> > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
problem
> I
> > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
all
> > to
> > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
bomb
> > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the same
> > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma let
> it
> > be
> > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did I
by
> > it
> > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
> land
> > of
> > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
> > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
> board.
> > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses. But
> what
> > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
sake
> of
> > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
> person
> > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
> enlightenment
> > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
because
> > the
> > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead language
> does
> > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy) So
I
> > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
without
> > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
do
> > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
> > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
> delusional.
> > > Good luck on your quest.
> > > > Eat good food
> > > > fall in love
> > > > raise happy kids
> > > > do meaningfull work
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > > > Hi Sean -
> > > >
> > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
> > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
> > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
> > > > communication between two different
> > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
> > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
> > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
> > > > on levels of consciousness).
> > > >
> > > > The realization that "everything
> > > > works under one law" does not negate
> > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
> > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
> > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
> > > > free will on the mundane level -
> > > > the trance level, or the level
> > > > that we've been social coerced
> > > > to accept as "all there is".
> > > >
> > > > But when nondual realization (by
> > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> > > > through, the personal ego gives way
> > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
> > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
> > > > all there is to being alive.
> > > >
> > > > (Here's where precision of language
> > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
> > > > personal self awareness is seen
> > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> > > > (even called illusory in most
> > > > eastern traditions)
> > > >
> > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
> > > > something entirely different.
> > > >
> > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> > > > shifts our perspective from being
> > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
> > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
> > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
> > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
> > > >
> > > > The personal ego necessarily
> > > > goes through the agony of complete
> > > > collapse - giving way to the new
> > > > realization that...hang on to your
> > > > hat...there is a power greater
> > > > than we are as individuals. And
> > > > this "power" is beyond anything
> > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
> > > > different from personal ego..yet
> > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
> > > > of this whole unified field.
> > > >
> > > > This realization brings incredible
> > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
> > > > free will, without the "should I or
> > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
> > > > And that translates to a completely
> > > > free life, freedom from fear and
> > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
> > > > judgment (free will), because it is
> > > > known that the choices are "guided"
> > > > within the context of the whole
> > > > of existence.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
> tremblay
> > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
> > > awareness,
> > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> > > > >
> > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> > > > done".
> > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > > > > do!"
> > > > > Kir Li Molari
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
someone
> > who knows.
> > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
> web links.
> >
>

Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
privately and we'll work out the details.

jeff@...

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
<bethjams9@...> wrote:
>
> I dig it,  maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
>
> Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:          Just for clarification:
>
> "Annointed" (usally spelled
> "anointed") is a combination
> word, meaning - annoyed and
> anointed.
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
> <jeff@> wrote:
> >
> > I like it. Maybe...
> >
> > the fly gets annointed.
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > >
> > > fly in the ointment
> > >
> > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
> > in a "dialogue"
> > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
> > > suggestions?
> > >
> > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
tremblay
> > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Aideen
> > > >
> > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
> > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
book.
> > > >
> > > > Aideen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
> > Jeff
> > > Belyea
> > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
> > > > To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of Life
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
> > > > on many points, and much of
> > > > what may seem like differing
> > > > points of view are more a
> > > > matter of semantics.
> > > >
> > > > The church (especially) and
> > > > most religious traditions have
> > > > become a train wreck of the
> > > > authentic teacher's original
> > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
> > > > agree. There's no fun in
> > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
> > > > religious view is the origin
> > > > of just about all wars.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, too bad that the term
> > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
> > > > something more like entrapment
> > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
> > > >
> > > > Your philosophy of:
> > > >
> > > > Eat good food
> > > > fall in love
> > > > raise happy kids
> > > > do meaningful work
> > > >
> > > > is simply beautiful. There's
> > > > an old Zen saying that goes
> > > > something like, "Before awakening,
> > > > chop wood, carry water. After
> > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
> > > >
> > > > I think that there is a large
> > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
> > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
> > > > style is unique and very appealing.
> > > > I hope that you continue to
> > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
> > > >
> > > > Do you keep a journal or write
> > > > often? Considering a book? You
> > > > use great analogies and very
> > > > creative metaphors.
> > > >
> > > > Love, as always,
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
> > > > would you?
> > > >
> > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
> > > >
> > > > Think of the battles in the gita
> > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
> > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
> > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
> > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
> > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
> > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
> > > > ...awakening.
> > > >
> > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
> > > > I went through the door. One of the great
> > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
> > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
> > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
> > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
> > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
> > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
> > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
> > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
> > > >
> > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
> tremblay
> > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I also
> know
> > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
> > > expresion
> > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
been
> > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and the "Soul"
> and
> > of
> > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
> > > important
> > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
animal
> in
> > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
manifest
> > and
> > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
> Davis
> > or
> > > a
> > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
believe
> > the
> > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound crass
> it's
> > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
> > > bit "Willfull"
> > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
> problem
> > I
> > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement is
> all
> > > to
> > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
> bomb
> > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
same
> > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
let
> > it
> > > be
> > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor did
I
> by
> > > it
> > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into the
> > land
> > > of
> > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you are
> > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm on
> > board.
> > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
But
> > what
> > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
> sake
> > of
> > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
> > person
> > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
> > enlightenment
> > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
> because
> > > the
> > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
language
> > does
> > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope (Spiritualy)
So
> I
> > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
> without
> > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for one
> do
> > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
> > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
> > delusional.
> > > > Good luck on your quest.
> > > > > Eat good food
> > > > > fall in love
> > > > > raise happy kids
> > > > > do meaningfull work
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Sean -
> > > > >
> > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
> > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
> > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
> > > > > communication between two different
> > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
> > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
> > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
> > > > > on levels of consciousness).
> > > > >
> > > > > The realization that "everything
> > > > > works under one law" does not negate
> > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
> > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
> > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
> > > > > free will on the mundane level -
> > > > > the trance level, or the level
> > > > > that we've been social coerced
> > > > > to accept as "all there is".
> > > > >
> > > > > But when nondual realization (by
> > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
> > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
> > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
> > > > > all there is to being alive.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Here's where precision of language
> > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
> > > > > personal self awareness is seen
> > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> > > > > (even called illusory in most
> > > > > eastern traditions)
> > > > >
> > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
> > > > > something entirely different.
> > > > >
> > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> > > > > shifts our perspective from being
> > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
> > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
> > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
> > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
> > > > >
> > > > > The personal ego necessarily
> > > > > goes through the agony of complete
> > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
> > > > > realization that...hang on to your
> > > > > hat...there is a power greater
> > > > > than we are as individuals. And
> > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
> > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
> > > > > different from personal ego..yet
> > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
> > > > > of this whole unified field.
> > > > >
> > > > > This realization brings incredible
> > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
> > > > > free will, without the "should I or
> > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
> > > > > And that translates to a completely
> > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
> > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
> > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
> > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
> > > > > within the context of the whole
> > > > > of existence.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, sean
> > tremblay
> > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
> > > > awareness,
> > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> > > > > >
> > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> > > > > done".
> > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > > > > > do!"
> > > > > > Kir Li Molari
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
> someone
> > > who knows.
> > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
not
> > web links.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Got a little couch potato?
> Check out fun summer activities for kids.
>

You bet. I like your vision.
How about, "A suggestion from
a visionary Canadian lady".

Sean is in Maine (close to Canada),
and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise).

Thanks,

Jeff

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
<aideenmck@...> wrote:
>
> When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be-a-
movie
> bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
suggestion
> from some elderly Canadian lady.
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jeff Belyea
> Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
>
>
>
> Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
> privately and we'll work out the details.
>
> jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff%40mindgoal.com> com
>
> --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
> >
> > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
> >
> > "Annointed" (usally spelled
> > "anointed") is a combination
> > word, meaning - annoyed and
> > anointed.
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
> > <jeff@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I like it. Maybe...
> > >
> > > the fly gets annointed.
> > >
> > > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > fly in the ointment
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
> > > in a "dialogue"
> > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
> > > > suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean
> tremblay
> > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Aideen
> > > > >
> > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
> > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
> book.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aideen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Jeff
> > > > Belyea
> > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
> > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of
Life
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
> > > > > on many points, and much of
> > > > > what may seem like differing
> > > > > points of view are more a
> > > > > matter of semantics.
> > > > >
> > > > > The church (especially) and
> > > > > most religious traditions have
> > > > > become a train wreck of the
> > > > > authentic teacher's original
> > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
> > > > > agree. There's no fun in
> > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
> > > > > religious view is the origin
> > > > > of just about all wars.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
> > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
> > > > > something more like entrapment
> > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
> > > > >
> > > > > Your philosophy of:
> > > > >
> > > > > Eat good food
> > > > > fall in love
> > > > > raise happy kids
> > > > > do meaningful work
> > > > >
> > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
> > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
> > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
> > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
> > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that there is a large
> > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
> > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
> > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
> > > > > I hope that you continue to
> > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
> > > > > often? Considering a book? You
> > > > > use great analogies and very
> > > > > creative metaphors.
> > > > >
> > > > > Love, as always,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
> > > > > would you?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
> > > > >
> > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
> > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
> > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
> > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
> > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
> > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
> > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
> > > > > ...awakening.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
> > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
> > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
> > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
> > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
> > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
> > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
> > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
> > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
> > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean
> > tremblay
> > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
also
> > know
> > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
> > > > expresion
> > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
> been
> > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
the "Soul"
> > and
> > > of
> > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
> > > > important
> > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
> animal
> > in
> > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
> manifest
> > > and
> > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
> > Davis
> > > or
> > > > a
> > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
> believe
> > > the
> > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
crass
> > it's
> > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
> > > > bit "Willfull"
> > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
> > problem
> > > I
> > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
is
> > all
> > > > to
> > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
> > bomb
> > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
> same
> > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
> let
> > > it
> > > > be
> > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
did
> I
> > by
> > > > it
> > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
the
> > > land
> > > > of
> > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
are
> > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
on
> > > board.
> > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
> But
> > > what
> > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
> > sake
> > > of
> > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
> > > person
> > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
> > > enlightenment
> > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
> > because
> > > > the
> > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
> language
> > > does
> > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
(Spiritualy)
> So
> > I
> > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
> > without
> > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
one
> > do
> > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
> > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
> > > delusional.
> > > > > Good luck on your quest.
> > > > > > Eat good food
> > > > > > fall in love
> > > > > > raise happy kids
> > > > > > do meaningfull work
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Sean -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
> > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
> > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
> > > > > > communication between two different
> > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
> > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
> > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
> > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The realization that "everything
> > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
> > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
> > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
> > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
> > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
> > > > > > the trance level, or the level
> > > > > > that we've been social coerced
> > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
> > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
> > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
> > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
> > > > > > all there is to being alive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
> > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
> > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
> > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> > > > > > (even called illusory in most
> > > > > > eastern traditions)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
> > > > > > something entirely different.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
> > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
> > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
> > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
> > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
> > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
> > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
> > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
> > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
> > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
> > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
> > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
> > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
> > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
> > > > > > of this whole unified field.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This realization brings incredible
> > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
> > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
> > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
> > > > > > And that translates to a completely
> > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
> > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
> > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
> > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
> > > > > > within the context of the whole
> > > > > > of existence.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean
> > > tremblay
> > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
> > > > > awareness,
> > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup
> <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com>
> > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> > > > > > done".
> > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > > > > > > do!"
> > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
> > someone
> > > > who knows.
> > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers,
> not
> > > web links.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Got a little couch potato?
> > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
> >
>

You’re both close to Paradise, in more than one respect.

“Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

---

From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

You bet. I like your vision.
How about, "A suggestion from
a visionary Canadian lady".

Sean is in Maine (close to Canada),
and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise).

Thanks,

Jeff

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
<aideenmck@...> wrote:
>
> When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be-a-
movie
> bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
suggestion
> from some elderly Canadian lady.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jeff Belyea
> Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
>
>
>
> Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
> privately and we'll work out the details.
>
> jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff%40mindgoal.com> com
>
> --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
> >
> > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
> >
> > "Annointed" (usally spelled
> > "anointed") is a combination
> > word, meaning - annoyed and
> > anointed.
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
> > <jeff@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I like it. Maybe...
> > >
> > > the fly gets annointed.
> > >
> > > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > fly in the ointment
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
> > > in a "dialogue"
> > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
> > > > suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean
> tremblay
> > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Aideen
> > > > >
> > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
> > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
> book.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aideen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Jeff
> > > > Belyea
> > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
> > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of
Life
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
> > > > > on many points, and much of
> > > > > what may seem like differing
> > > > > points of view are more a
> > > > > matter of semantics.
> > > > >
> > > > > The church (especially) and
> > > > > most religious traditions have
> > > > > become a train wreck of the
> > > > > authentic teacher's original
> > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
> > > > > agree. There's no fun in
> > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
> > > > > religious view is the origin
> > > > > of just about all wars.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
> > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
> > > > > something more like entrapment
> > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
> > > > >
> > > > > Your philosophy of:
> > > > >
> > > > > Eat good food
> > > > > fall in love
> > > > > raise happy kids
> > > > > do meaningful work
> > > > >
> > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
> > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
> > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
> > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
> > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that there is a large
> > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
> > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
> > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
> > > > > I hope that you continue to
> > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
> > > > > often? Considering a book? You
> > > > > use great analogies and very
> > > > > creative metaphors.
> > > > >
> > > > > Love, as always,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
> > > > > would you?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
> > > > >
> > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
> > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
> > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
> > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
> > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
> > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
> > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
> > > > > ...awakening.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
> > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
> > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
> > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
> > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
> > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
> > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
> > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
> > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
> > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean
> > tremblay
> > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
also
> > know
> > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
> > > > expresion
> > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
> been
> > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
the "Soul"
> > and
> > > of
> > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
> > > > important
> > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
> animal
> > in
> > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
> manifest
> > > and
> > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
> > Davis
> > > or
> > > > a
> > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
> believe
> > > the
> > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
crass
> > it's
> > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
> > > > bit "Willfull"
> > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
> > problem
> > > I
> > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
is
> > all
> > > > to
> > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
> > bomb
> > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
> same
> > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
> let
> > > it
> > > > be
> > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
did
> I
> > by
> > > > it
> > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
the
> > > land
> > > > of
> > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
are
> > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
on
> > > board.
> > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
> But
> > > what
> > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
> > sake
> > > of
> > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
> > > person
> > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
> > > enlightenment
> > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
> > because
> > > > the
> > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
> language
> > > does
> > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
(Spiritualy)
> So
> > I
> > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
> > without
> > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
one
> > do
> > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
> > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
> > > delusional.
> > > > > Good luck on your quest.
> > > > > > Eat good food
> > > > > > fall in love
> > > > > > raise happy kids
> > > > > > do meaningfull work
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Sean -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
> > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
> > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
> > > > > > communication between two different
> > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
> > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
> > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
> > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The realization that "everything
> > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
> > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
> > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
> > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
> > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
> > > > > > the trance level, or the level
> > > > > > that we've been social coerced
> > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
> > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
> > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
> > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
> > > > > > all there is to being alive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
> > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
> > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
> > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> > > > > > (even called illusory in most
> > > > > > eastern traditions)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
> > > > > > something entirely different.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
> > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
> > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
> > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
> > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
> > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
> > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
> > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
> > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
> > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
> > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
> > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
> > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
> > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
> > > > > > of this whole unified field.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This realization brings incredible
> > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
> > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
> > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
> > > > > > And that translates to a completely
> > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
> > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
> > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
> > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
> > > > > > within the context of the whole
> > > > > > of existence.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean
> > > tremblay
> > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
> > > > > awareness,
> > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup
> <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com>
> > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> > > > > > done".
> > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > > > > > > do!"
> > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
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I’m originally from Montreal, Quebec, where the name “Tremblay” was, for many years, the one that filled the most columns in the phone directory.

I’ve now lived on the west coast for more years than I was in Quebec, & I docilely fill in “Canadian”.  However … Quebec sometimes rather ferociously tries to separate & I can’t help but wish them well.  I’ll always feel homesick for the place.

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From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sean tremblay
Sent: June 1, 2007 7:09 PM
To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

I am from Maine but I currently reside in Williamsburg Virginia,  I consider myself an expatriot and on government forms I check the "other" block and write in Mainer as my nationality and country of origin.

Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@telus.net> wrote:

You’re both close to Paradise, in more than one respect.

“Visionary” does have a nicer ring than “elderly”, for some reason.

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From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Belyea
Sent: June 1, 2007 4:59 PM
To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)

You bet. I like your vision.
How about, "A suggestion from
a visionary Canadian lady".

Sean is in Maine (close to Canada),
and I'm in Florida (close to Paradise).

Thanks,

Jeff

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "Aideen McKenna"
<aideenmck@...> wrote:
>
> When you two are on "Oprah" discussing your smash about-to-be-a-
movie
> bestseller, remember to mention that what got it started was a
suggestion
> from some elderly Canadian lady.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jeff Belyea
> Sent: June 1, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Annointed (anoited)
>
>
>
> Sean - I have a publisher. Email me
> privately and we'll work out the details.
>
> jeff@mindgoal. <mailto:jeff%40mindgoal.com> com
>
> --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> <bethjams9@> wrote:
> >
> > I dig it, maybe there's a publisher in the chat group
> >
> > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Just for clarification:
> >
> > "Annointed" (usally spelled
> > "anointed") is a combination
> > word, meaning - annoyed and
> > anointed.
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Belyea"
> > <jeff@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I like it. Maybe...
> > >
> > > the fly gets annointed.
> > >
> > > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean tremblay
> > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > fly in the ointment
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote: Interesting concept. Maybe
> > > in a "dialogue"
> > > > format - like we are doing here. Any title
> > > > suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean
> tremblay
> > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Aideen
> > > > >
> > > > > Aideen McKenna <aideenmck@> wrote: You know what
> > > > would be wonderful? Jeff Belyea & Sean Tremblay co-writing a
> book.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aideen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > From: meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Jeff
> > > > Belyea
> > > > > Sent: May 30, 2007 6:04 AM
> > > > > To: meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] The Facts of
Life
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Sean. First, we agree
> > > > > on many points, and much of
> > > > > what may seem like differing
> > > > > points of view are more a
> > > > > matter of semantics.
> > > > >
> > > > > The church (especially) and
> > > > > most religious traditions have
> > > > > become a train wreck of the
> > > > > authentic teacher's original
> > > > > teachings. Here, we absolutely
> > > > > agree. There's no fun in
> > > > > fundamentalism. The fanatic
> > > > > religious view is the origin
> > > > > of just about all wars.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, too bad that the term
> > > > > "Enlightenment" has fallen into
> > > > > something more like entrapment
> > > > > in some camps. I prefer "Awakened".
> > > > >
> > > > > Your philosophy of:
> > > > >
> > > > > Eat good food
> > > > > fall in love
> > > > > raise happy kids
> > > > > do meaningful work
> > > > >
> > > > > is simply beautiful. There's
> > > > > an old Zen saying that goes
> > > > > something like, "Before awakening,
> > > > > chop wood, carry water. After
> > > > > awakening, chop wood, carry water."
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that there is a large
> > > > > audience for your "Scraped Knee
> > > > > School of Philosophy". Your writing
> > > > > style is unique and very appealing.
> > > > > I hope that you continue to
> > > > > develop that gift (inheritance).
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you keep a journal or write
> > > > > often? Considering a book? You
> > > > > use great analogies and very
> > > > > creative metaphors.
> > > > >
> > > > > Love, as always,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: Just one more thing. OK, two, maybe three:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Send me that Kick-Ass Shrimp Barrito recipe,
> > > > > would you?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. A suggested perspective:
> > > > >
> > > > > Think of the battles in the gita
> > > > > and the bible (I'm not a fan of much
> > > > > of the old testament or the tight-ass
> > > > > writing of Paul) on the level of consciousness
> > > > > rather than physical battles - in terms
> > > > > of the battle of "the mind", overcoming
> > > > > the isolated and prideful ego as a means of...
> > > > > ...awakening.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. I'm not on a quest. I was on a quest.
> > > > > I went through the door. One of the great
> > > > > failures of many false teachings and "gurus"
> > > > > is that they leave the seeker outside
> > > > > the door of awakening - leaving them
> > > > > frustrated or waiting for their "reward
> > > > > in heaven" - after they die. What
> > > > > unenlightened, cruel, manipulative
> > > > > bullshit. Well, I'll wrap up here
> > > > > before I pull out my soapbox.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean
> > tremblay
> > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff ,I understand and agree with what your saying, I
also
> > know
> > > > > it's hard to tell what exactly someone means without seeing
> > > > expresion
> > > > > or hearing inflection in the voice. I would say as I have
> been
> > > > > trying to articulate that the "Individuality" and
the "Soul"
> > and
> > > of
> > > > > course the "Will" is what give rise to the humanities most
> > > > important
> > > > > gifts and that is the gift of creation. We are the only
> animal
> > in
> > > > > the world that can concieve of things that are not yet
> manifest
> > > and
> > > > > conjure them up into creation like your paintings or Miles
> > Davis
> > > or
> > > > a
> > > > > kick ass shrimp barrito I made yesterday.That is what I
> believe
> > > the
> > > > > bible means by "Made in gods image" If at time I sound
crass
> > it's
> > > > > probably due to the fact that as a personality I am a
> > > > bit "Willfull"
> > > > > and I come from the scape knee school of philosophy. The
> > problem
> > > I
> > > > > have with the surender of the will as I read the statement
is
> > all
> > > > to
> > > > > reminicent of the type of "Inshala" mentality that leads to
> > bomb
> > > > > belts and kid nappings and so on and so
> > > > > > forth "God willing" and truth be told when I read of the
> same
> > > > > sceneo in the Bahagvad gita (Ajuna/Krishna) the whole karma
> let
> > > it
> > > > be
> > > > > trip before thousands died I didnt by it then either nor
did
> I
> > by
> > > > it
> > > > > from the old testiment when god comanded to go forth into
the
> > > land
> > > > of
> > > > > canaan and murder! That of course is the extreme, If you
are
> > > > > talking about letting go in the Toaist sense I supose I'm
on
> > > board.
> > > > > as in I will not try to fight Nature mine or anyone elses.
> But
> > > what
> > > > > realy concernes me is a person may give up His will for the
> > sake
> > > of
> > > > > enlightenment (Or at least the eleviation of pain) and that
> > > person
> > > > > may find himself in a state of bliss. But this is not
> > > enlightenment
> > > > > this is a narcotic trance it is spiritual heroin and just
> > because
> > > > the
> > > > > pusher wears a robe and quates scriptures from a dead
> language
> > > does
> > > > > not change the fact that he's still pushin dope
(Spiritualy)
> So
> > I
> > > > > disagree with the great swami and I must say that freedom
> > without
> > > > > will is a contradiction in terms! Try
> > > > > > baking a cake or writing a poem without will, And I for
one
> > do
> > > > > not belive one can fuly awaken without it. I avoid the term
> > > > > Enlightenment only because it has been hijacked by the
> > > delusional.
> > > > > Good luck on your quest.
> > > > > > Eat good food
> > > > > > fall in love
> > > > > > raise happy kids
> > > > > > do meaningfull work
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff Belyea <jeff@> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Sean -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yours is a reasonable response...
> > > > > > and it speaks to the difficulty -
> > > > > > or rather the impossibility of precise
> > > > > > communication between two different
> > > > > > levels of consciousness. (If you're
> > > > > > interested, David Hawkins' book
> > > > > > "Power vs Force" details his take
> > > > > > on levels of consciousness).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The realization that "everything
> > > > > > works under one law" does not negate
> > > > > > free will, it elevates it. We can
> > > > > > still choose between a cheeseburger
> > > > > > and baked scallops, and exercise
> > > > > > free will on the mundane level -
> > > > > > the trance level, or the level
> > > > > > that we've been social coerced
> > > > > > to accept as "all there is".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But when nondual realization (by
> > > > > > any other name - enlightenment) breaks
> > > > > > through, the personal ego gives way
> > > > > > to the notion that the reasonsable
> > > > > > and rational "self awareness" is...
> > > > > > all there is to being alive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Here's where precision of language
> > > > > > begins to be impossible) Instead,
> > > > > > personal self awareness is seen
> > > > > > as a secondary or superficial awareness,
> > > > > > (even called illusory in most
> > > > > > eastern traditions)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Enlightened Self Awareness is
> > > > > > something entirely different.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Self Awareness (caps intentional)
> > > > > > shifts our perspective from being
> > > > > > an isolated and independent "thinker",
> > > > > > to a oneness or wholeness in which
> > > > > > we now know that we are an "aspect"
> > > > > > of a unified, peaceful, blissful,
> > > > > > eternal, field of consciousness.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The personal ego necessarily
> > > > > > goes through the agony of complete
> > > > > > collapse - giving way to the new
> > > > > > realization that...hang on to your
> > > > > > hat...there is a power greater
> > > > > > than we are as individuals. And
> > > > > > this "power" is beyond anything
> > > > > > we formerly thought or imagined,
> > > > > > different from personal ego..yet
> > > > > > we are still a fully functional "part"
> > > > > > of this whole unified field.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This realization brings incredible
> > > > > > joy and freedom - and enhanced
> > > > > > free will, without the "should I or
> > > > > > shouldn't I" internal chatter, that
> > > > > > trusts completely in what "Is".
> > > > > > And that translates to a completely
> > > > > > free life, freedom from fear and
> > > > > > doubt, and trust in one's own
> > > > > > judgment (free will), because it is
> > > > > > known that the choices are "guided"
> > > > > > within the context of the whole
> > > > > > of existence.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In meditationsocietyof
> <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica%40yahoogroups.com>
> america@yahoogroups.com, sean
> > > tremblay
> > > > > > <bethjams9@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Interesting concept exept it negates free will and self
> > > > > awareness,
> > > > > > those are two qualities we posess for a reason
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroup
> <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com>
> > > > > > wrote: "Everything works under one law ... "Thy will be
> > > > > > done".
> > > > > > > This means there is nothing you need to do ... or can
> > > > > > > do!"
> > > > > > > Kir Li Molari
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > > > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> > > > > > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> > > > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from
> > someone
> > > > who knows.
> > > > > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
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> not
> > > web links.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > Check out fun summer activities for kids.
> >
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