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--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, john whitten
<whittenjohn@...> wrote:
>
> I am interested in using meditation to improve focus, behaviour, and
performance with my 8th grade class. After investigating the
meditation techniques I have a question: where can I find the the
position, breathing pattern, physical relaxing technique, and
emptying of mental and emotional reactivity methods that are
referrred to to prepare for several of the techniques? Please help.
Thanks, John whitten
>
Yo John,
What a small universe this is. We taught dozens of our
classes in an 8th grade classroom for the Haverford
Adult Education Program. I think the average 8th grade
classroom is a very challanging environment to teach
meditation in, but also one of the most needed fro sharing
this ancient knowledge. The vibes of decades of boredom,
fear of flunking, general teen angst, etc, are heavy in
the air, but thus so is the need to present an antedote.
Anyway, we would start each class by having the students
get as comfortable as they could in whatever position
they preferred, close their eyes, and then guide them in
tensing and then relaxing their body, part by part, from
their toes to their scalp. BTW, There is a 17 or so minute
version of this on our Guided Meditation CD. I'll be glad
to send you a copy if you email me a mailing address, but
you'll have to wait until I return from Arkansas where I'll
be visiting my son and daughter-in-law for the next 9 days.
In class, we usually did a 5 minute or so version of this.
This also extrapolated into their learning just where they
keep their tension, and then in "real life" be able to do
spot checks throughout the day and just by focusing on their
tension areas, be able to have all their tension release.
For instance, if you usually keep tension in they shoulders,
just by relaxing them, eventually your body (and emotions
and mind) will relaxe simultaneously.
OK - back to the class...After they are relaxed, and this
simple technique will do it well, guide them in commanding
their bodies to not fidgit, itch, ache, or in any way
distract them from focusing on their meditation. Similarly,
guide them in directing their emotions to not get too
blissed out, too upset, or in any way bringing your focus
away from the meditation. And then help them command their
mind to not chatter in any way --- no judging, no comparing,
no commenting at all in any way that takes the focus of away
from the object of the meditation. And let them know that if
they do witness them selves lose focus to resist chastising
themselves (IE: telling them selves things like "You're no
good", or "You'll never be able to meditate", or anything
similar that is also taking them away from focusing on their
meditation), and to just say to their self "Oh well!" and
go back to the meditation. And that will well open the door
for their concentration to flow nicely and meditation and
contemplation to occur. Oh yeah, we used to have just one
rule, and that was that you were allowed to fall asleep, but
now we need to also make sure all cell phones and pagers are
turned off. I hope this is helpful and wish you well.
Peace and blessings,
Bob

My life is a clear example of what meditation
can do to heal and therefore change a miserable
exsistance into one of grace.
After 7 years of being unemployed and 3 on disabilitie,
I am now working and in a job that is surronded by like
minded people in a natural food store.
The practice of meditation along with the study and daily
use of Reiki and its priniples which call for the daily
use of meditation has changed me into the person I was
ment to be, releasing the blockages in my self and giving
me a new lease on life.  Not to mention I no longer
have high blood pressure nor suffer from depression and
have achived this without medication but with dedication
to my healing potential accsesed through meditation.

                                       rain

I think that's wonderful, Rain. You are a living example that meditation can indeed help transform people into who they are meant to be.

I am so glad you posted your thoughts.

Stephen

Subject: [Meditation Society of America] Re: Potential of meditation

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"What 'I' did, all those years ago, was to devise a remarkably effective method
of ridding this body of 'me' (I know that methods are to be actively
discouraged, in some people's eyes, but this one worked). It takes some doing to
start off with, but as success after success starts to multiply exponentially,
it becomes automatic to have this question running as an on-going thing (as a
non-verbal attitude towards life ... a wordless approach each moment again)
because it delivers the goods right here and now ... not off into some
indeterminate future. Plus the successes are repeatable – almost on demand – and
thus satisfies the 'scientific method'. 'I' asked myself, each moment again:
'How am I experiencing this moment of being alive'?

As one knows from the pure consciousness experiences (PCE's), which are moments
of perfection everybody has at some stage in their life, that it is possible to
experience this moment in time and this place in space as perfection
personified, 'I' set the minimum standard of experience for myself: feeling
good. If 'I' am not feeling good then 'I' have something to look at to find out
why. What has happened, between the last time 'I' felt good and now? When did
'I' feel good last? Five minutes ago? Five hours ago? What happened to end those
felicitous feelings? Ahh ... yes: 'He said that and I ...'. Or: 'She didn't do
this and I ...'. Or: 'What I wanted was ...'. Or: 'I didn't do ...'. And so on
and so on ... one does not have to trace back into one's childhood ... usually
no more than yesterday afternoon at the most ('feeling good' is an unambiguous
term – it is a general sense of well-being – and if anyone wants to argue about
what feeling good means ... then do not even bother trying to do this at all).

Once the specific moment of ceasing to feel good is pin-pointed, and the
silliness of having such an incident as that (no matter what it is) take away
one's enjoyment and appreciation of this only moment of being alive is seen for
what it is – usually some habitual reactive response – one is once more feeling
good ... but with a pin-pointed cue to watch out for next time so as to not have
that trigger off yet another bout of the same-old same-old. This is called
nipping it in the bud before it gets out of hand ... with application and
diligence and patience and perseverance one soon gets the knack of this and more
and more time is spent enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive.
And, of course, once one does get the knack of this, one up-levels 'feeling
good', as a bottom line each moment again, to 'feeling happy and harmless' ...
and after that to 'feeling perfect'.

The more one enjoys and appreciates being just here right now – to the point of
excellence being the norm – the greater the likelihood of a PCE happening ... a
grim and/or glum person has no chance whatsoever of allowing the magical event,
which indubitably shows where everyone has being going awry, to occur. Plus any
analysing and/or psychologising and/or philosophising whilst one is in the grip
of debilitating feelings usually does not achieve much (other than spiralling
around and around in varying degrees of despair and despondency or whatever)
anyway.

The wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom from the human condition is
marked by enjoyment and appreciation – the sheer delight of being as happy and
harmless as is humanly possible whilst remaining a 'self' – and the slightest
diminishment of such felicity is a warning signal (a flashing red light as it
were) that one has inadvertently wandered off the way.

One is thus soon back on track ... and all because of everyday events'"


<http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/actualism/vineeto/selected-writings/investigate\
feelings.htm>

<http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/richard/articles/thismomentofbeingalive.htm>
<http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/ actualism/path2.htm>

   Era

"What 'I' did, all those years ago, was to devise a remarkably effective method
of ridding this body of 'me' (I know that methods are to be actively
discouraged, in some people's eyes, but this one worked). It takes some doing to
start off with, but as success after success starts to multiply exponentially,
it becomes automatic to have this question running as an on-going thing (as a
non-verbal attitude towards life ... a wordless approach each moment again)
because it delivers the goods right here and now ... not off into some
indeterminate future. Plus the successes are repeatable – almost on demand – and
thus satisfies the 'scientific method'. 'I' asked myself, each moment again:
'How am I experiencing this moment of being alive'?

As one knows from the pure consciousness experiences (PCE's), which are moments
of perfection everybody has at some stage in their life, that it is possible to
experience this moment in time and this place in space as perfection
personified, 'I' set the minimum standard of experience for myself: feeling
good. If 'I' am not feeling good then 'I' have something to look at to find out
why. What has happened, between the last time 'I' felt good and now? When did
'I' feel good last? Five minutes ago? Five hours ago? What happened to end those
felicitous feelings? Ahh ... yes: 'He said that and I ...'. Or: 'She didn't do
this and I ...'. Or: 'What I wanted was ...'. Or: 'I didn't do ...'. And so on
and so on ... one does not have to trace back into one's childhood ... usually
no more than yesterday afternoon at the most ('feeling good' is an unambiguous
term – it is a general sense of well-being – and if anyone wants to argue about
what feeling good means ... then do not even bother trying to do this at all).

Once the specific moment of ceasing to feel good is pin-pointed, and the
silliness of having such an incident as that (no matter what it is) take away
one's enjoyment and appreciation of this only moment of being alive is seen for
what it is – usually some habitual reactive response – one is once more feeling
good ... but with a pin-pointed cue to watch out for next time so as to not have
that trigger off yet another bout of the same-old same-old. This is called
nipping it in the bud before it gets out of hand ... with application and
diligence and patience and perseverance one soon gets the knack of this and more
and more time is spent enjoying and appreciating this moment of being alive.
And, of course, once one does get the knack of this, one up-levels 'feeling
good', as a bottom line each moment again, to 'feeling happy and harmless' ...
and after that to 'feeling perfect'.

The more one enjoys and appreciates being just here right now – to the point of
excellence being the norm – the greater the likelihood of a PCE happening ... a
grim and/or glum person has no chance whatsoever of allowing the magical event,
which indubitably shows where everyone has being going awry, to occur. Plus any
analysing and/or psychologising and/or philosophising whilst one is in the grip
of debilitating feelings usually does not achieve much (other than spiralling
around and around in varying degrees of despair and despondency or whatever)
anyway.

The wide and wondrous path to an actual freedom from the human condition is
marked by enjoyment and appreciation – the sheer delight of being as happy and
harmless as is humanly possible whilst remaining a 'self' – and the slightest
diminishment of such felicity is a warning signal (a flashing red light as it
were) that one has inadvertently wandered off the way.

One is thus soon back on track ... and all because of everyday events'"


<http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/actualism/vineeto/selected-writings/investigate\
feelings.htm>


Various descriptions of PCE [pure conscios experience]:
<http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/actualism/others/corr-pce.htm>

<http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/actualism/peter/selected-writings/awareness.htm\
>

<http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/richard/articles/thismomentofbeingalive.htm>
<http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/ actualism/path2.htm>

   Era

The feeling of being an individual person, an `I', attaches
itself to an object, a person, an emotion or an action, and identifies
with it. As a result of this identification it might say, "I am a
person", or "I am happy", or "I did this". This idea of being an
individual person, this `I' –thought, can only exist in association
with other thoughts or perceptions, not in isolation. Once you strip
the `I' of its capacity to latch onto thoughts and perceptions, it has
to subside back into the source where it came from. There, you
experience the Self, without the individual `I' intruding. Focus
exclusively on this subjective feeling of `I', and each time we become
aware that it has attached itself to some thoughts, ideas or
perceptions, we should go back to the inner feeling of `I' and try to
stay there as long as possible. Once we have done this for long
enough, the `I' no longer jumps out to attach itself to objects but
subsides instead into the source. In that place one experiences the
great peace of the Self that is always there, but which is usually
covered up by the activities of this individual `I'.
  from  http://360.yahoo.com/josongeorge5 - be as you are.

Yo John,
The CD is on its way. I hope
that it will be helpful. BTW, I'm
sure the universe will present
you with exactly what you need for
your masters, as it will with all
things.
Peace and blessings,
Bob
--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, john whitten
<whittenjohn@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob! I am really excited about this and hope the students get
  into it as well. It's been years since i've done meditation myself
and  have been working on it at home to try to help model/guide the
students. I am also using this as the subject for a action research
project I'm doing for my masters degree so any supplementary
research/support you could direct me to would be great. I am in Mexico
  so it would take a while for any mail to get here, but if you'd like
ot  send the CD great.
>   Colegio Americano Puerto Vallarta
>   Attn: John Whitten
>   Albatross S/N Marina Vallarta
>   Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco MX
>
>   Thanks, John
>
>
> medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                 --- In
meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, john whitten
>   <whittenjohn@> wrote:
>   >
>   > I am interested in using meditation to improve focus, behaviour, and
>    performance with my 8th grade class. After investigating the
>   meditation  techniques I have a question: where can I find the the
>   position,  breathing pattern, physical relaxing technique, and
>   emptying of mental  and emotional reactivity methods that are
>   referrred to to prepare for  several of the techniques? Please help.
>   Thanks, John whitten
>   >
>   Yo John,
>   What a small universe this is. We taught dozens of our
>   classes in an 8th grade classroom for the Haverford
>   Adult Education Program. I think the average 8th grade
>   classroom is a very challanging environment to teach
>   meditation in, but also one of the most needed fro sharing
>   this ancient knowledge. The vibes of decades of boredom,
>   fear of flunking, general teen angst, etc, are heavy in
>   the air, but thus so is the need to present an antedote.
>   Anyway, we would start each class by having the students
>   get as comfortable as they could in whatever position
>   they preferred, close their eyes, and then guide them in
>   tensing and then relaxing their body, part by part, from
>   their toes to their scalp. BTW, There is a 17 or so minute
>   version of this on our Guided Meditation CD. I'll be glad
>   to send you a copy if you email me a mailing address, but
>   you'll have to wait until I return from Arkansas where I'll
>   be visiting my son and daughter-in-law for the next 9 days.
>   In class, we usually did a 5 minute or so version of this.
>   This also extrapolated into their learning just where they
>   keep their tension, and then in "real life" be able to do
>   spot checks throughout the day and just by focusing on their
>   tension areas, be able to have all their tension release.
>   For instance, if you usually keep tension in they shoulders,
>   just by relaxing them, eventually your body (and emotions
>   and mind) will relaxe simultaneously.
>   OK - back to the class...After they are relaxed, and this
>   simple technique will do it well, guide them in commanding
>   their bodies to not fidgit, itch, ache, or in any way
>   distract them from focusing on their meditation. Similarly,
>   guide them in directing their emotions to not get too
>   blissed out, too upset, or in any way bringing your focus
>   away from the meditation. And then help them command their
>   mind to not chatter in any way --- no judging, no comparing,
>   no commenting at all in any way that takes the focus of away
>   from the object of the meditation. And let them know that if
>   they do witness them selves lose focus to resist chastising
>   themselves (IE: telling them selves things like "You're no
>   good", or "You'll never be able to meditate", or anything
>   similar that is also taking them away from focusing on their
>   meditation), and to just say to their self "Oh well!" and
>   go back to the meditation. And that will well open the door
>   for their concentration to flow nicely and meditation and
>   contemplation to occur. Oh yeah, we used to have just one
>   rule, and that was that you were allowed to fall asleep, but
>   now we need to also make sure all cell phones and pagers are
>   turned off. I hope this is helpful and wish you well.
>   Peace and blessings,
>   Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>
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A wisdom gem from Druga (whose posts are
always very worth checking out) on the very
enjoyable Guruphiliac group:

1a. Re: Boomeritis Advaita /Kosmic Questions
     Posted by: "Durga" durgaji108@... durgaji108
     Date: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:25 pm (PDT)

--- In Guruphiliac@yahoogroups.com,
Bruce Morgen <editor@...> wrote:
> >
> > jodyrrr wrote:
> >

>>> > >>But there's a different style of practice which is more
"scientific." That's to just practice without ideas of what you hope
or expect to get out of it, but rather with just complete openness to
perceiving whatever appears.
>>> > >>

>> > >
>> > >I think that's in the Gita: practice without any thought of
result. It's certainly a part of my lineage's tradition, doing it to
do it rather than for what you think it will do for you.
>> > >
> > The phrase I (over?)use
> > is "without attachment to
> > outcome."

There is a further way of looking at this,
which can be called 'having a karma yoga
attitude,' which is this:

Any action I undertake I do so with
a desired (or expected) objective
in mind.  Such as I get a glass
of water.  I intend and expect that
my thirst will be quenched.

I get up from my chair and walk across
the room and intend to get to the other side.
That's the result I expect from my action.

I take a ride in my car intending
to go from San Francisco to Berkeley,
and expect to arrive in Berkeley.

Alright, those are my intentions and expectations,
and those can be translated to apply to any action
which I undertake.  Any action I undertake I do
so with an expected result in mind (or I wouldn't
do it in the first place).

What happens in the above illustrations?  I take
a glass a water, and the glass slips from
my hand and breaks on the floor.  My thirst is
not quenched.  (Not only that I have to clear
up the broken glass, if I do not want to cut
my feet).

I get up from my chair intending to walk across
the room, and the telephone rings mid-way, so
I go to answer it, intending to speak to the
caller, but that person hangs up before I get to the
phone.  So not only have I not made it across
to the other side of the room, I also haven't
spoken to whoever telephoned.

I get in my car in San Francisco and get on the
highway, expecting to go over the Bay Bridge
and into Berkeley , and what happens?
The bridge is closed eastbound because they
are retrofitting it during Labor Day weekend,
(take heed!)  So I have to go all the way
round through Marin. I want to get back to Berkeley,
that's the result I desire from my action.  What happens?
I get stuck in traffic, (of course), which was not what
I wanted or intended as the result of my actions.

So what?  What does all of this mean?  What
is a karma yoga attitude?  It is this.  I do
an action fully expecting and intending to
receive a certain result, but the result is not
in my hands.

Whose hands is the result in?  Who is the giver
of the result of an action?  The whole.  The creation.
And for some, the word used to describe that is 'God.'

So I just do my best as an individual, and that is my offering.
I do the action wishing to receive a desired result,
But whatever result I receive, I receive as `prasad.'

This attitude can relieve a lot of tension.  It can also help
with many other psychological issues as well, (and in fact many
teachings would say it is what is really going).  It
also puts you into dialogue and appreciation of the whole.

Never at any time are you as an individual separate
from the whole.  So that is not self-realization, but
it is appreciation, and you can take this a lot farther,
all the way to understanding yourself as the self of
the whole.  But prior to that understanding,
having karma yoga attitude is a good place to begin,
and it's where you will end up anyway.

Durga

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actual meaning of the words. The label of the thing is not the thing
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very serious reading.

Some said they didn't like our Message. It doesn't matter if you like
it or not. When presented with an opportunity to overcome so many
sufferings, the only question should be: Does it work or not? Our
Message is scripturally based, but was previously unknown to most of
us. Therefore, this Knowledge re-emerges as several Experimental
Theories. "Don't knock it till you have tried it." In other words,
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--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, frog_08244
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> i have been taking clases for learning to meditate i have been
going
> for 2 month's with little results at all. my mind just wonders all
> the time. how do i learn to not wonder all the time?
>

Well two months is too little a time to achieve success. What is your
experience ,is common to most of us. Try to be positive in mind.
First conviction is are you being benifitted . Settle down
physically ,rest will follow surely. Please create adesire to be in
peace for you and for rest of the world.That will help you.

Top 10: Weirdest cosmology theories
09 August 2006
NewScientist.com news service
Stephen Battersby

1. Clashing branes

Could our universe be a membrane floating in
higher dimensional space, repeatedly smashing
into a neighbouring universe? According to an
offshoot of string theory called braneworld,
there are large extra dimensions of space, and
while gravity can reach out into them, we are
confined to our own "brane" universe with only
three dimensions. Neil Turok of Cambridge
University in the UK and Paul Steinhardt of
Princeton University in New Jersey, US, have
worked out how the big bang could have been
sparked when our universe clashed violently
with another. These clashes repeat, producing
a new big bang every now and then - so if the
cyclic universe model is right, the cosmos could
be immortal.


----
2. Evolving universes

When matter is compressed to extreme densities at
the centre of a black hole, it might bounce back
and create a new baby universe. The laws of
physics in the offspring might differ slightly,
and at random, from the parent - so universes
might evolve, suggests Lee Smolin of the Perimeter
Institute in Waterloo, Canada. Universes that make
a lot of black holes have a lot of children, so
eventually they come to dominate the population of
the multiverse. If we live in a typical universe,
then it ought to have physical laws and constants
that optimise the production of black holes. It is
not yet known whether our universe fits the bill.


----
3. Superfluid space-time

One of the most outlandish new theories of
cosmology is that space-time is actually a
superfluid substance, flowing with zero friction.
Then if the universe is rotating, superfluid
spacetime would be scattered with vortices,
according to physicists Pawel Mazur of the
University of South Carolina and George Chapline
at Lawrence Livermore lab in California – and
those vortices might have seeded structures such
as galaxies. Mazur suggests that our universe might
have been born in a collapsing star, where the
combination of stellar matter and superfluid space
could spawn dark energy, the repulsive force that
is accelerating the expansion of the universe.


----
4. Goldilocks universe

Why does the universe have properties that are
"just right" to permit the emergence of life?
Tinker with a few physical constants and we would
end up with no stars, or no matter, or a universe
that lasts only for the blink of an eye. One answer
is the anthropic principle: the universe we see
has to be hospitable, or we would not be here to
observe it. Recently the idea has gained some
strength, because the theory of inflation suggests
that there may be an infinity of universes out
there, and string theory hints that they might
have an almost infinite range of different
properties and physical laws. But many cosmologists
dismiss the anthropic principle as being non-science,
because it makes no testable predictions.


----
5. Gravity reaches out

Dark matter might not really be "stuff" – it
could just be a misleading name for the odd
behaviour of gravity. The theory called MOND
(modified Newtonian dynamics), suggests that
gravity does not fade away as quickly as current
theories predict. This stronger gravity can fill
the role of dark matter, holding together galaxies
and clusters that would otherwise fly apart. A new
formulation of MOND, consistent with relativity,
has rekindled interest in the idea, although it
may not fit the pattern of spots in the cosmic
microwave background.


----
6. Cosmic ghost

Three mysteries of modern cosmology could be
wrapped up in one ghostly presence. After making
an adjustment to Einstein's general theory of
relativity, a team of physicists found a strange
substance popping out of their new theory, the
"ghost condensate". It can produce repulsive
gravity to drive cosmic inflation in the big bang,
while later on it could generate the more sedate
acceleration that is ascribed to dark energy.
Moreover, if this slippery substance clumps
together, it could form dark matter.


----
7. It's a small universe

The pattern of spots in the cosmic microwave
background has a suspicious deficiency: there
are surprisingly few big spots. One possible
explanation is that the universe is small - so
small that, back when the microwave background
was being produced, it just could not hold those
big blobs. If so, space would have to wrap around
on itself somehow. Possibly the oddest suggestion
is that the universe is funnel-shaped, with one
narrow end and one flared end like the bell of a
trumpet. The bent-back curvature of space in this
model would also stretch out any smaller microwave
spots from round blobs into the little ellipses
that are indeed observed.


----
8. Fast light

Why do opposite sides of the universe look the
same? It's a puzzle because the extremes of today's
visible universe should never have been in touch.
Even back in the early moments of the big bang,
when these areas were much closer together, there
wasn't enough time for light - or anything else -
to travel from one to another. There was no time
for temperature and density to get evened out; and
yet they are even. One solution: light used to move
much faster. But to make that work could mean a
radical overhaul of Einstein's theory of relativity.


----
9. Sterile neutrinos

Dark matter might be made of the most elusive
particles ever imagined - sterile neutrinos.
They are hypothetical heavier cousins of ordinary
neutrinos and would interact with other matter
only through the force of gravity - making them
essentially impossible to detect. But they might
have the right properties to be "warm" dark matter,
buzzing about at speeds of a few kilometres per
second, forming the largish dark matter clumps
mapped by recent observations. Sterile neutrinos
could also help stars and black holes to form in
the early universe, and give the kicks that send
neutron stars speeding around our galaxy.


----
10. In the Matrix

Maybe our universe isn't real. Yale Philosopher
Nick Bostrum has claimed that we are probably living
inside a computer simulation. Assuming it ever
becomes possible to simulate consciousness, then
presumably future civilisations would try it,
probably many times over. Most perceived universes
would be simulated ones - so chances are we are in
one of them. In that case, perhaps all those
cosmological oddities such as dark matter and dark
energy are simply patches, stuck on to cover up
early inconsistencies in our simulation.

Sunday, September 3, 2006
Sivananda Daily Readings

SELF-EFFORT AND GRACE IN MEDITATION

You need a calm, clear, pure, subtle, steady,
sharp one-pointed buddhi (intellect) to
understand the reality of Brahman. Only then
is realization possible. Only a trained mind
which utterly controls the body, can enquire
and meditate as long as life remains, never
losing sight of the object of its search and
never letting it be obscured by any terrestrial
temptations.

Energy is wasted in useless idle talk and gossiping,
planning and unnecessary worrying. Conserve
energy by getting rid of these three defects and
utilise it in meditation. Then you can do wonderful
meditation. He who says and imagines that he practises
deep meditation daily, when he has not removed the
evil traits of the mind, deceives himself first and
then others. He is a first class hypocrite.

If you strain yourself in meditation and go beyond
your capacity, then laziness and inactive nature will
supervene. Meditation should come naturally on account
of serenity of mind, induced by practice of sama, dama,
uparati and pratyahara (control of mind and senses,
non-pursuit of pleasure and introversion of attention).
Atman (self) is the fountain of energy. Thinking on
atman or the source of energy, also is a dynamic method
of augmenting energy, strength and power. Divine energy
flows freely from the feet of the Lord to the different
systems of the aspirant and new nerve currents, new
grooves, new cells are formed. The mind and nervous
system are remodeled and you will develop a new heart.

Conserve energy by talking little, observing mouna
(silence), controlling anger, observing brahmacarya
(celibacy), practising pranayama (yoga breathing) and
controlling irrelevant and non-essential thoughts.
Meditate and behold the imperishable atman. Rest yourself
firmly in the self. Nothing can hurt you now. You can
become invincible.

In contemplation, you are in spiritual contact with
unchanging light; you are cleansed of all impurities.
If you have an open heart, devotedly lifted up to God,
the light of his purity and love will consume all your
short-comings. This purifying process leads to a deeper
insight into truth. This is the action of the grace of
the Lord upon the soul in meditation. In this inflowing
grace there arises that light of the mind into which God
is sending the ray of his unclouded splendour.

For more from Swami Sivananda and other Enlightened Ones,
visit one of the best sites on the web:
http://www.sivanandaonline.org/

I just received an email invitation from
Swami Sharadananda that I felt I'd pass along
to our forum. Whenever I've been at Yogaville,
it has always been a far more inspiring and
shall we say "elevating" experience than I had
expected. This Columbus Day weekend, October 6 - 9,
2006, a double anniversary celebration will take place
at Yogaville in Buckingham VA. The 40th anniversary
of Integral Yoga in the West, and the 20th anniversary of
the most Holy place I know, the LOTUS Shrine, will
take place. I recommend that if it's at all possible,
you see for your Self the light, love and joy that is shared
when enlightened people from all religious traditions come
together in peace and sister/brotherhood.
Peace and blessingsw,
Bob Rose, President,
Meditation Society of America

Here's the URL for further info:
http://tinyurl.com/oamq9

Tenative Schedule of Events

FRIDAY EVENING, 6 OCTOBER
7:30 PM - Homa at Kailash offered by Swami Maruthachalam.


SATURDAY, 7 OCTOBER: 20th Anniversary of Sri Gurudev's Gift of LOTUS
MORNING: Interfaith Service and Blessing of LOTUS.
9:00 AM - Chanting, Welcome and Invocation.
9:30 AM - Light of Truth Universal Service at Sivananda Hall.
Native American - Mama Nataaska.
African - Vera Oye Yaa-Anna.
Sikhism - Mat Mandir Khalsa.
Islam - Shaykh Noorudeen Durkee.
Christianity - The Very Reverend James Parks Morton.
Buddhism - Roshi Bernie Glassman.
Taoism - Professor Paul Groner.
Shinto - Swami Dayananda.
Judaism - Rabbi Gershon Winkler.
Hinduism - Swami Maruthachalam.
Other Known Faiths
10:30 AM - Message by The Very Reverend James Parks Morton.
11:00 AM - at LOTUS.
Procession/Chant.
Joining hands around the Shrine.
Blessing the Shrine with sacred water.
12:00 noon - inside upper level of Shrine - Blessing with sacred water
and Arati followed by Ritual in LOTUS All Faiths Hall.
AFTERNOON: Interfaith Voices and Dance.
3:00 - 4:15 PM: Interfaith Networking Panel with religious leaders.
4:30 - 5:15 PM: Dances of Universal Peace by Latifa Kropf & Heena Reiter.
EVENING: Interfaith Gala -7:30 PM.
Chanting with Meera Kerr.
Address by Rabbi Winkler and Music with Miriam.
Address by Roshi Bernie Glassman.
Bharatha Natyam Dance by Padmarani Rasiah Cantu.
Christian Gospel music with Robert Cardwell.
Address by Brother David Steindl-Rast (tentative)
One Light, One World -a multimedia presentation by Rama Roosevelt.
Interfaith Dance Ensemble - choreographed by Karen Attix.


SUNDAY, 8 OCTOBER: 40th Anniversary of Sri Gurudev's Gift of Integral Yoga
MORNING: Jai Gurudev Celebration: honoring Sri Gurudev's service in
the fields of Yoga, education, the arts and medicine - 10:00 AM.
Chanting.
Universal Prayer and Sannyas Bold sung by Vivekan Hunt.
Integral Yoga in the West.
Education - Presentation honoring Vidyalayam Graduates.
Medical - Keynote Speaker: Dr. Dean Ornish.
Arts - Music: Om Satchidananda with Meera Kerr.
Four Decades documentary - The Service of Sri Gurudev in the West.
Prasad Presentation.
Sannyas Arati.
AFTERNOON: Re-dedication of Chidambaram - 3:00 PM.
Chanting
Special puja offered by Swami Maruthachalam and Sri V. Karunananthan.
Special guest speakers: Sri D. R. Kaarthikeyan and Sri K. Ramaswamy.
EVENING: Integral Yoga Gala - 7:30 PM.
Chanting.
The Woodstock Years - A Panel with Peter Max, Arjuna Zurbel, Swami
Turiyasangitananda and Peter Petronio. Special message from Conrad
Rooks (tentative).
Journey into Satchidananda: Swami Turiyasangitananda and (tentative)
Ravi Coltrane.
Groovin' -'60s & '70s Music by Felix Cavaliere (the Rascals).
The Master's Touch, a multimedia presentation.
Video Message from Sri GurudevMinisters Arati.
Ministers Arati.


MONDAY, 9 OCTOBER: INTEGRAL YOGA CONFERENCE
MORNING:
Integral Yoga Teachers Meeting.
Integral Yoga Communications (Media, Public Relations) Meeting.
Yogaville Self-Sufficiency Meeting.
LUNCH: Closing Comments.

Yo John,
The CD is on its way. I hope
that it will be helpful. BTW, I'm
sure the universe will present
you with exactly what you need for
your masters, as it will with all
things.
Peace and blessings,
Bob
--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, john whitten
<whittenjohn@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob! I am really excited about this and hope the students get
into it as well. It's been years since i've done meditation myself
and have been working on it at home to try to help model/guide the
students. I am also using this as the subject for a action research
project I'm doing for my masters degree so any supplementary
research/support you could direct me to would be great. I am in Mexico
so it would take a while for any mail to get here, but if you'd like
ot send the CD great.
> Colegio Americano Puerto Vallarta
> Attn: John Whitten
> Albatross S/N Marina Vallarta
> Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco MX
>
> Thanks, John
>
>
> medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
--- In
meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, john whitten
> <whittenjohn@> wrote:
> >
> > I am interested in using meditation to improve focus, behaviour, and
> performance with my 8th grade class. After investigating the
> meditation techniques I have a question: where can I find the the
> position, breathing pattern, physical relaxing technique, and
> emptying of mental and emotional reactivity methods that are
> referrred to to prepare for several of the techniques? Please help.
> Thanks, John whitten
> >
> Yo John,
> What a small universe this is. We taught dozens of our
> classes in an 8th grade classroom for the Haverford
> Adult Education Program. I think the average 8th grade
> classroom is a very challanging environment to teach
> meditation in, but also one of the most needed fro sharing
> this ancient knowledge. The vibes of decades of boredom,
> fear of flunking, general teen angst, etc, are heavy in
> the air, but thus so is the need to present an antedote.
> Anyway, we would start each class by having the students
> get as comfortable as they could in whatever position
> they preferred, close their eyes, and then guide them in
> tensing and then relaxing their body, part by part, from
> their toes to their scalp. BTW, There is a 17 or so minute
> version of this on our Guided Meditation CD. I'll be glad
> to send you a copy if you email me a mailing address, but
> you'll have to wait until I return from Arkansas where I'll
> be visiting my son and daughter-in-law for the next 9 days.
> In class, we usually did a 5 minute or so version of this.
> This also extrapolated into their learning just where they
> keep their tension, and then in "real life" be able to do
> spot checks throughout the day and just by focusing on their
> tension areas, be able to have all their tension release.
> For instance, if you usually keep tension in they shoulders,
> just by relaxing them, eventually your body (and emotions
> and mind) will relaxe simultaneously.
> OK - back to the class...After they are relaxed, and this
> simple technique will do it well, guide them in commanding
> their bodies to not fidgit, itch, ache, or in any way
> distract them from focusing on their meditation. Similarly,
> guide them in directing their emotions to not get too
> blissed out, too upset, or in any way bringing your focus
> away from the meditation. And then help them command their
> mind to not chatter in any way --- no judging, no comparing,
> no commenting at all in any way that takes the focus of away
> from the object of the meditation. And let them know that if
> they do witness them selves lose focus to resist chastising
> themselves (IE: telling them selves things like "You're no
> good", or "You'll never be able to meditate", or anything
> similar that is also taking them away from focusing on their
> meditation), and to just say to their self "Oh well!" and
> go back to the meditation. And that will well open the door
> for their concentration to flow nicely and meditation and
> contemplation to occur. Oh yeah, we used to have just one
> rule, and that was that you were allowed to fall asleep, but
> now we need to also make sure all cell phones and pagers are
> turned off. I hope this is helpful and wish you well.
> Peace and blessings,
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
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--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, john whitten
<whittenjohn@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks again, We have begun practicing some positions and
breathing  exercises, they are receptive, but some are eager to
advance more  rapidly. I am trying to urge them to focus more on the
process rather  than achievement.setting goals. Is this a good idea?
John
>
Yo John,
You are right that the process is important,
but if the progress is what they desire to
be able to judge, we have a technique that
allows that to be assessed over time. It's
called 108 - An Easy Hard Meditation Technique
and canbe found on our web site, Meditation Station,
along with dozens more,
http://www.meditationsociety.com
Here it is and I hope it will be beneficial.
Peace and blessings,
Bob
108 - An Easy Hard Meditation Technique
Anything in life that brings you closer to inner
peace can be said to be "good". Anything that
takes your peace away is "bad". Of course, it is
a given that anything that only brings you
momentary peace, like drugs, is not good. To
really qualify, the peace must be everlasting.
Very often, good, and thus peace, doesn't come
easily. For instance, politically and historically,
it has often taken a war to bring about a lasting
peace between enemies. An example of this can be
found in the relationships between America, Japan,
Russia, and Germany. Deadly enemies during World
War II, and now close partners involved in mutual
progress and at peace.

Within ourselves there is a similar inner world
war-like interaction going on between the mind,
body, and emotions that prevents us from knowing
real peace. As the events in our life take place,
we react mentally, physically, and emotionally,
sometimes more one way and at other times more in
another. This slave-like reactivity makes our life
seem out of control, bouncing back and forth
between joy and sorrow, and without lasting peace.
This anxiety and conflict filled state can be
witnessed by an inner awareness that is our Real
Self. This Witness to our life has always been
there/here, silent, non-labeling, non-commenting,
non-judging, and is present now.

As you are reading these words, your Witness is
aware of your mind's mentations, your body's
sensations, and your emotion's feelings. If your
inner chattering stops rambling on, you can sit
back in your mind's eye and Witness your body/ego's
reactions. It is at a moment when this occurs that
what has been called your higher intuitive center
kicks in and you will know, with a gut feeling,
just what to do. You will then be able to witness
your mind, body, and emotions act, and either cease
the reactivity that has taken away your peace, or
start to do that which will bring about peace in
your life.

For instance, you may have been banging your head
against the wall for years, even though this
caused you to suffer terribly. Your friends may
have told you countless times that your life would
be more peaceful if you would just stop doing this
foolish activity. But, you never listened, or
perhaps justified it as worth continuing with for
some silly and illogical reason such as that it
felt so good when you stopped. Witness yourself now.
Did you just see yourself laugh, or react in a "Yep!
That's me!" embarrassment? Did your mind get angry
and defensive and deny that this concept could apply
to you? Are you witnessing now? And now?

Just as it is unlikely that you would continue
to keep banging your head against the wall once
you really recognized that you were doing it, once
you witness yourself reacting to life's events
inappropriately (in a way that steals your peace
away from you), you will stop doing it and thus
allow peace to fill and stay with you. The 108
Meditation technique is one of the best at letting you witness your
mind's activity.

Relax yourself in the way you have found best
prepares you for meditating. Focus your attention
on your breath. Observe and feel air come into
the body, stay, and leave the body. Silently say
"One". Do it again and say "Two". On and on up
to 108. This seems to be very easy to do, but don't
be surprised, when you first try this inner exercise,
if you can't concentrate well enough to get all the
way up to 108 without being distracted by your
thoughts, physical sensations, or emotions. Your
mind has been your master and you have been it's
slave your whole life, and it's not going to let
you be in charge without giving you a very hard
battle for control. Your mind has caused you to
fritter away your most of your life rehashing the
past and fantasizing about the future and will
rebel if you try to live and control your life as
it takes place.

Your breath always occurs in the present moment.
Thus, if you are paying attention to your breath,
you have the potential of experiencing reality,
for it too can only occur now, in the present. Inner
peace is not something for the past or the future.
It is available and present now. We just must stop
being distracted from it. When we do this technique,
and we watch our mind take us away from the object
of our meditation, our breath, we must not scold
ourselves. If we see that we are concentrating very
well, we must not get too overjoyed. Both extremes
are distractions.

What is especially wonderful about this technique
is that you can become aware of what causes your
distraction as well as what happens as a result of
your distraction. For instance, you may find that
if you try to do this with your eyes open, something
may catch your eye and you will start thinking about
it. But, this is not necessarily bad because you may
then have learned that it is easier to do this
technique with your eyes shut and that this does
bring more peace into your life. So, in a way, you
may gain greater insight from "failing" at
maintaining your concentration than from paying
attention.

Another benefit that this method gives us is that
we can gauge our progress over time. For instance,
when you first try it, you may only get up to the
number 12 before your mind's chattering, or your
body's twitching, or your emotion's swings
distract you. Then, perhaps a week later, you may
find that you are able to maintain your attention
up to 48. A 400% improvement!

Eventually, you will be able to silently witness
your mind obediently accomplishing the task you
have assigned it and you will get to 108
successfully. It will be then that you can be
considered the master, and your mind, body, and
emotions, the slaves. They then can be used as
valuable tools that will help you attain the
consistent inner peace that you have been seeking.
Easily!

Perhaps the greatest asset this technique offers
is that you will become more and more aware of,
and start identifying with, the Witness within -
the pure, blissful, serene consciousness that is
your Real Self. You will then need no tools,
techniques, or concepts, and will live happily
ever after.






> medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:                                                  Yo John,
>   The CD is on its way. I hope
>   that it will be helpful. BTW, I'm
>   sure the universe will present
>   you with exactly what you need for
>   your masters, as it will with all
>   things.
>   Peace and blessings,
>   Bob
>   --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, john whitten
>   <whittenjohn@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Thanks Bob! I am really excited about this and hope the
students get
>    into it as well. It's been years since i've done meditation
myself
>   and  have been working on it at home to try to help model/guide
the
>   students. I am also using this as the subject for a action
research
>   project I'm doing for my masters degree so any supplementary
>   research/support you could direct me to would be great. I am in
Mexico
>    so it would take a while for any mail to get here, but if you'd
like
>   ot  send the CD great.
>   >   Colegio Americano Puerto Vallarta
>   >   Attn: John Whitten
>   >   Albatross S/N Marina Vallarta
>   >   Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco MX
>   >
>   >   Thanks, John
>   >
>   >
>   > medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
>                                   --- In
>   meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, john whitten
>   >   <whittenjohn@> wrote:
>   >   >
>   >   > I am interested in using meditation to improve focus,
behaviour, and
>   >    performance with my 8th grade class. After investigating the
>   >   meditation  techniques I have a question: where can I find
the the
>   >   position,  breathing pattern, physical relaxing technique, and
>   >   emptying of mental  and emotional reactivity methods that are
>   >   referrred to to prepare for  several of the techniques?
Please help.
>   >   Thanks, John whitten
>   >   >
>   >   Yo John,
>   >   What a small universe this is. We taught dozens of our
>   >   classes in an 8th grade classroom for the Haverford
>   >   Adult Education Program. I think the average 8th grade
>   >   classroom is a very challanging environment to teach
>   >   meditation in, but also one of the most needed fro sharing
>   >   this ancient knowledge. The vibes of decades of boredom,
>   >   fear of flunking, general teen angst, etc, are heavy in
>   >   the air, but thus so is the need to present an antedote.
>   >   Anyway, we would start each class by having the students
>   >   get as comfortable as they could in whatever position
>   >   they preferred, close their eyes, and then guide them in
>   >   tensing and then relaxing their body, part by part, from
>   >   their toes to their scalp. BTW, There is a 17 or so minute
>   >   version of this on our Guided Meditation CD. I'll be glad
>   >   to send you a copy if you email me a mailing address, but
>   >   you'll have to wait until I return from Arkansas where I'll
>   >   be visiting my son and daughter-in-law for the next 9 days.
>   >   In class, we usually did a 5 minute or so version of this.
>   >   This also extrapolated into their learning just where they
>   >   keep their tension, and then in "real life" be able to do
>   >   spot checks throughout the day and just by focusing on their
>   >   tension areas, be able to have all their tension release.
>   >   For instance, if you usually keep tension in they shoulders,
>   >   just by relaxing them, eventually your body (and emotions
>   >   and mind) will relaxe simultaneously.
>   >   OK - back to the class...After they are relaxed, and this
>   >   simple technique will do it well, guide them in commanding
>   >   their bodies to not fidgit, itch, ache, or in any way
>   >   distract them from focusing on their meditation. Similarly,
>   >   guide them in directing their emotions to not get too
>   >   blissed out, too upset, or in any way bringing your focus
>   >   away from the meditation. And then help them command their
>   >   mind to not chatter in any way --- no judging, no comparing,
>   >   no commenting at all in any way that takes the focus of away
>   >   from the object of the meditation. And let them know that if
>   >   they do witness them selves lose focus to resist chastising
>   >   themselves (IE: telling them selves things like "You're no
>   >   good", or "You'll never be able to meditate", or anything
>   >   similar that is also taking them away from focusing on their
>   >   meditation), and to just say to their self "Oh well!" and
>   >   go back to the meditation. And that will well open the door
>   >   for their concentration to flow nicely and meditation and
>   >   contemplation to occur. Oh yeah, we used to have just one
>   >   rule, and that was that you were allowed to fall asleep, but
>   >   now we need to also make sure all cell phones and pagers are
>   >   turned off. I hope this is helpful and wish you well.
>   >   Peace and blessings,
>   >   Bob
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> > ... Give up those things which the mind likes best for a
> > fortnight in a year. Eat simple fool. Milk and fruits help
> > concentration. Take food as medicine to keep the life going. ...
>
> But even simple fools will resist if someone tries to eat them :-)
>
> Best regards,
> Ramachandra


Dear Ram-ji, I noticed the mistake but that is how I copied it from
the website. See <http://www.dlshq.org/download/easysteps.htm>

I know that you said this is lighter vein but just to clarify the above sentence

Eat simple fool

should read

Eat simple food.

regards,
Om Namah Sivaya

Surya Yoga Meditation
I drink oh drink thee Sun of Life
Your roaring radiance rinse me through
Gushing through spine with Sizzling joy
I thy Divinity enjoy!

From thy elysian fountain rays
I drink immortal Pranic Life
Rejuven Body and my mind
Dissolve all worldly woe and strife!

Dancing with thine immortal light
Each cell suffused with joy of Life
I glorify this gift oh Lord
No Emperor ever can afford!

Orange elixirs wine sublime
Flows glows in every fiber mine
Filling me with thy Bliss sublime
Making me to My Self Divine!
~Siddhanath

http://www.hamsa-yoga.org/pract_SURYA.htm

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>
> Surya Yoga Meditation
> I drink oh drink thee Sun of Life
> Your roaring radiance rinse me through
> Gushing through spine with Sizzling joy
> I thy Divinity enjoy!
>
> From thy elysian fountain rays
> I drink immortal Pranic Life
> Rejuven Body and my mind
> Dissolve all worldly woe and strife!
>
> Dancing with thine immortal light
> Each cell suffused with joy of Life
> I glorify this gift oh Lord
> No Emperor ever can afford!
>
> Orange elixirs wine sublime
> Flows glows in every fiber mine
> Filling me with thy Bliss sublime
> Making me to My Self Divine!
> ~Siddhanath
>
>
>
> http://www.hamsa-yoga.org/pract_SURYA.htm
>
HI Sidhart.. liked u r poem very much// in RUGVED.. there are
many ''sukts'' praying SURYA... your poem took me to that ''
SAURSUKT'' Congrats/... rest ok ... RAJ.

Meditation shows you what you are not.
You will see that you are not your body.
You will see that you are not your emotions.
You will see that you are not your thoughts.
There is no more valuable way to know who
you are than knowing what you are not.

Kir Li Molari

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the MSA and rather new to  meditation itself. I have a question that someone out there may be able to answer. When I attempt to meditate my throat begins to close up and I begin to salivate and swallow constantly which distracts from my practice. Anyone else have the problem and what can I do about it.

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I used to suffer panic attacks which featured closing throat &
excessive salivation.  Perhaps you need to get to the root of
whatever is troubling you & causing the fear & anxiety.  Possibly
use the relaxation techniques that precede a meditation session &
leave it at that until you're better aware of of what's bringing on
the panicky feeling?
>
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wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>   I'm new to the MSA and rather new to  meditation itself. I have
a question that someone out there may be able to answer. When I
attempt to meditate my throat begins to close up and I begin to
salivate and swallow constantly which distracts from my practice.
Anyone else have the problem and what can I do about it.
>
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hi I am new to meditation I wana ask that after how much time one
relize that it is working.
and is punctuality is most important some times I cant be punctual.

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the MSA and rather new to  meditation itself. I have a question that someone out there may be able to answer. When I attempt to meditate my throat begins to close up and I begin to salivate and swallow constantly which distracts from my practice. Anyone else have the problem and what can I do about it.

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The Great Western Vehicle is conducting research into the phenomena of
meditative absorption.  If you believe that you may be experiencing any kind
of phenomena that is associated with the practice of meditation, such as
meditative absorption, then we would like to receive your case history.

After some time of gathering case histories we hope to select a group of
subjects who fit certain criteria who will allow us to test them while they
are in meditation.  However, wiliness to be tested is not a criteria for
filling out our case history questionnaire.

From an exhaustive cross-cultural study of the literature of gnosis we have
found that meditative absorption has certain common characteristics that
nearly every subject manifests, regardless of their culture or religion.  If
you manifest any one of the following characteristics while in meditation,
then it is very possible that you are indeed experiencing meditative
absorption, and we would therefore like to receive your case history.

Some of the characteristics of meditative absorption are as follows:

1) Tactile sensations that are associated with the chakras, such as a
tingling or a pressure at the chest, throat, forehead or crown of head.

2) Tactile sensations in the hands or feet that could be perceived as heat,
or tingling or a pressure in the hands and/or feet.

3) Sounds that may emerge only during meditation, or at first only during
meditation.  Those sounds could be a rushing sound like the wind, a water
fall, or the rain; a chirping sound like cicadas or crickets; a ringing
sound, like a bell, or a high pitched electronic sound; or, the sudden onset
of tinnitus after the practice of meditation, and exacerbated by the
practice of meditation.

4) Sweat smells or tastes, such as incense or honey, that only arise in
association with meditation.

5) Luminance or an increase of light or visual images in association with
the practice of meditation.

6) Any sense of vertigo or the feeling of flight from the practice of
meditation.

Jhanasamyutta, SN 34
"Therein, bhikkhus, a contemplative who is skilled both in meditation that
leads to meditative absorption (jhana) and in the attainment of meditative
absorption (jhana) is the chief, the best, the foremost, the highest, the
most excellent of these four kinds of meditators."
(Bodhi, Bhikkhu trans., Samyutta Nikaya Wisdom, 2000)

Jeffrey S, Brooks
(sámañña Jhananda)
the Great Western Vehicle
PO Box 41795
Tucson, AZ 85717
http://www.greatwesternvehicle.org/
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O.k. this is something that has been scaring me for quite sometime. But nowadays when I go into meditation, within 5 minutes or so, I start experiencing this kind of bliss, I can't even explain it properly in words, i've never felt this kind of bliss and peace before, and I can see this kind of light inside my head (like as though somebody just put on the tube light or something), and I feel like as if I'm a little free (or expanding a little) or something. It's happened nearly 3 times now, and even though the feeling is just beautiful, it's just that it's scary beautiful. It's like I'm scared of just getting sucked into it, because it's scary to get sucked into something that you really have no idea of what it is. You know what I mean. I get really scared everytime this feeling of bliss and light sets in me. It's just that it's such a scary experience, because it's something that so new to me. Because to be honest this the first time I had a meditation experience (or call it what you want). I've never really had any before this. I don't do any concentration meditation as such but rather I do awareness meditation. You know, just sitting and watching my thoughts pass by, just quietly observing them. And I've been doing this for over a month now, but this is the 1st time I've ever actually had a meditation "experience"  per say.  

 

Has anybody else experienced this during meditation??

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