Skip to search.

Breaking News Visit Yahoo! News for the latest.

×Close this window

meditationsocietyofamerica · Meditation Society of America - Devoted to sharing meditation techniques, concepts

The Yahoo! Groups Product Blog

Check it out!

Group Information

  • Members: 964
  • Category: Meditation
  • Founded: Jul 28, 2001
  • Language: English
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Message search is now enhanced, find messages faster. Take it for a spin.

Messages

Advanced
Messages Help
Messages 14673 - 14702 of 18639   Oldest  |  < Older  |  Newer >  |  Newest
Messages: Show Message Summaries Sort by Date ^  
#14673 From: "aideenmck" <aideenmck@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 4:27 am
Subject: "Spaciousness"
aideenmck
Send Email Send Email
 
Sogyal Rinpoche says than meditation is 25% focus on the breath, 25%
focus on remaining alert & wakeful & 50% focus on spaciousness.  To
what is he referring when he uses the term "spaciousness"?

#14674 From: Sandeep <sandeep1960@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 4:35 am
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] "Spaciousness"
sandeep1960
Send Email Send Email
 


aideenmck wrote:
Sogyal Rinpoche says than meditation is 25% focus on the breath, 25%
focus on remaining alert & wakeful & 50% focus on spaciousness.  To
what is he referring when he uses the term "spaciousness"?


The absence of the conceptualization and thus the question on spaciousness.



#14675 From: "jogeshwarmahanta" <jogeshwarmahanta@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 5:53 am
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] "Spaciousness"
jogeshwarmah...
Send Email Send Email
 
And not on favourable spontaneity?

regards,
Jogeshwar



--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
<sandeep1960@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> aideenmck wrote:
>
> > Sogyal Rinpoche says than meditation is 25% focus on the breath,
25%
> > focus on remaining alert & wakeful & 50% focus on spaciousness.  To
> > what is he referring when he uses the term "spaciousness"?
>
>
>
> *The absence of the conceptualization and thus the question on
> spaciousness.*
>

#14676 From: Sandeep <sandeep1960@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 6:07 am
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] "Spaciousness"
sandeep1960
Send Email Send Email
 


In spontaneity, there is neither the  favourable nor the unfavourable.

In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
 
And  there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)




jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
And not on favourable spontaneity?

regards,
Jogeshwar







#14677 From: "jogeshwarmahanta" <jogeshwarmahanta@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 6:39 am
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] "Spaciousness"
jogeshwarmah...
Send Email Send Email
 
Dear Sandeep,

Can you accomodate the following realities?

The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
former and minimise the later.

regards,
Jogeshwar






--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
<sandeep1960@...> wrote:
>
> *
>
> In spontaneity, there is neither the  favourable nor the
unfavourable.
>
> In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
>
> **And  there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
>
>
> *
>
> jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
>
> > And not on favourable spontaneity?
> >
> > regards,
> > Jogeshwar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
-------
> >
>

#14678 From: Sandeep <sandeep1960@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 7:08 am
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] "Spaciousness"
sandeep1960
Send Email Send Email
 


In the presence of a sense of purpose
, there is no meditation.

Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be meditation.



The maximizing/minimizing hoopla,  viewed as profound meditation is no different to the same hoopla in the market place.


The same round and round the mulberry bush.

Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)



In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the entity,

and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of any distinction,

and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or minimize something else.





In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of what is meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.

Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize something or minimize something else, .....

....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.




Thus spaciousness, meditativeness  .........is the very absence of the presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....

.....AND....

.....the absence of the absence of the
presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".








jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
Dear Sandeep,

Can you accomodate the following realities?

The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
former and minimise the later.

regards,
Jogeshwar






--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
<sandeep1960@...> wrote:
>
> *
>
> In spontaneity, there is neither the  favourable nor the
unfavourable.
>
> In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.

> **And  there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
>
>
> *
>
> jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
>
> > And not on favourable spontaneity?
> >
> > regards,
> > Jogeshwar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
-------
> >
>






#14679 From: "jogeshwarmahanta" <jogeshwarmahanta@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 7:24 am
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] "Spaciousness"
jogeshwarmah...
Send Email Send Email
 
Crowding or clarity?

regards,
Jogeshwar









--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
<sandeep1960@...> wrote:
>
>
> *
> In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
>
> Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
> associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be
meditation.
> *
>
>
> *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla,  viewed as profound meditation
is no
> different to the same hoopla in the market place.
>
>
> The same round and round the mulberry bush.
>
> Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
>
>
>
> **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the
entity,
>
> and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of
any
> distinction,
>
> and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or
minimize
> something else.
>
>
>
>
>
> In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of
what is
> meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
>
> Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
something
> or minimize something else, .....
>
> ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
>
>
>
>
> Thus spaciousness, meditativeness  .........is the very absence of
the
> presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
>
> .....AND....
>
> .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
> "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
>
>
>
> *
>
>
>
>
> jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
>
> > Dear Sandeep,
> >
> > Can you accomodate the following realities?
> >
> > The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
> > thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
> > spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
> > former and minimise the later.
> >
> > regards,
> > Jogeshwar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
> > <sandeep1960@> wrote:
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > In spontaneity, there is neither the  favourable nor the
> > unfavourable.
> > >
> > > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
> > >
> > > **And  there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
> > >
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
> > >
> > > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > > Jogeshwar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------
----
> > -------
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > SPONSORED LINKS
> > Health and wellness
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness&w1=Health+and+wellness&w2=Alternative+medi
cine&w3=Health+wellness+product&w4=Health+and+wellness+program&w5=Hea
lth+promotion+and+wellness&w6=Womens+health+and+wellness&c=6&s=180&.s
ig=EXNMaXjzdD625QVOSfycZQ>
> >  Alternative medicine
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Alternative+medicine&w1=Health+and+wellness&w2=Alternative+med
icine&w3=Health+wellness+product&w4=Health+and+wellness+program&w5=He
alth+promotion+and+wellness&w6=Womens+health+and+wellness&c=6&s=180&.
sig=AKLTt4BzEowlx_fMo9Mesg>
> >  Health wellness product
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Health+wellness+product&w1=Health+and+wellness&w2=Alternative+
medicine&w3=Health+wellness+product&w4=Health+and+wellness+program&w5
=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w6=Womens+health+and+wellness&c=6&s=18
0&.sig=ANuYpnMt0BsauOHzsD3YSw>
> >
> > Health and wellness program
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+program&w1=Health+and+wellness&w2=Alternat
ive+medicine&w3=Health+wellness+product&w4=Health+and+wellness+progra
m&w5=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w6=Womens+health+and+wellness&c=6&
s=180&.sig=pHZBGgbCh5XWvIDO8C-vvg>
> >  Health promotion and wellness
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w1=Health+and+wellness&w2=Altern
ative+medicine&w3=Health+wellness+product&w4=Health+and+wellness+prog
ram&w5=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w6=Womens+health+and+wellness&c=
6&s=180&.sig=Hacy7gxGT2QRKggi1r5E6g>
> >  Womens health and wellness
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
t=ms&k=Womens+health+and+wellness&w1=Health+and+wellness&w2=Alternati
ve+medicine&w3=Health+wellness+product&w4=Health+and+wellness+program
&w5=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w6=Womens+health+and+wellness&c=6&s
=180&.sig=UIW0q6-CQ9Ur4pUMyQCZIw>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
-------
> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> >
> >     *  Visit your group "meditationsocietyofamerica
> >
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meditationsocietyofamerica>" on
> >       the web.
> >
> >     *  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >        meditationsocietyofamerica-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >       <mailto:meditationsocietyofamerica-
unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
> >
> >     *  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
of
> >       Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
-------
> >
>

#14680 From: Bruce Morgen <editor@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 7:34 am
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] "Spaciousness"
editorjuno
Send Email Send Email
 
The true meditative state is
the spontaneous absence of all
intent.  When such a state
becomes the default perceptual
(non-)condition associated with
a nominal individual (i.e. when
there's no service for said
individual's thoughts to perform
on the host organism's behalf),
it is often referred to as
"realization," "enlightenment,"
or some such hoopla -- one
supposes on account of its
apparent rarity among our
species.


Sandeep wrote:

>
> *
> In the presence of a sense of purpose*, *there is no meditation.
>
> Which is not to say that activities do not happen, with which is
> associated a sense of purpose and which is then believed to be meditation.
> *
>
>
> *The maximizing/minimizing hoopla,  viewed as profound meditation is
> no different to the same hoopla in the market place.
>
>
> The same round and round the mulberry bush.
>
> Just that the bush has been replaced.:-)
>
>
>
> **In meditativeness, there is the absence of the sense of the entity,
>
> and thus the absence of the sense of a distinction, the sense of any
> distinction,
>
> and thus the absence of any craving to maximize something or minimize
> something else.
>
>
>
>
>
> In a deeper sense (so to say).........even this distinction of what is
> meditativeness and what is not.........really has no basis.
>
> Which means, that in all the sense of the attempts to maximize
> something or minimize something else, .....
>
> ....nothing is actually getting maximized or minimized.
>
>
>
>
> Thus spaciousness, meditativeness  .........is the very absence of the
> presence of concepts of "spaciousness", "meditativeness".....
>
> .....AND....
>
> .....the absence of the absence of the **presence of concepts of
> "spaciousness", "meditativeness".
>
>
>
> *
>
>
>
>
> jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
>
>> Dear Sandeep,
>>
>> Can you accomodate the following realities?
>>
>> The opposing forces, eros/life instinct/centripetal forces and
>> thanotos/death instinct/centrifugal forces are operating
>> spontaneously in us. The purpose of meditation is to maximise the
>> former and minimise the later.
>>
>> regards,
>> Jogeshwar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
>> <sandeep1960@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > *
>> >
>> > In spontaneity, there is neither the  favourable nor the
>> unfavourable.
>> >
>> > In spontaneity, there is no consciousness about spontaneity.
>> >
>> > **And  there is nothing which is not spontaneous.:-)
>> >
>> >
>> > *
>> >
>> > jogeshwarmahanta wrote:
>> >
>> > > And not on favourable spontaneity?
>> > >
>> > > regards,
>> > > Jogeshwar
>> > >
>

#14681 From: "JESSICA" <jlmulli2692@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 3:23 pm
Subject: overwhelmed beginer can someone tell me where i am and how i got here?
jlmulli2692
Send Email Send Email
 
this is so frustrating to me. Im a new mom at 28, i have a 1 year old
and just turned 3 yr old. when i had them a door opend up to me and
now im on my journey. so far its led me here, but i feel like im in a
different world that speaks a foreign language. i know im on the right
path, but the lingo is really hard for me to grasp. im really trying.
the thing on spaciousness, i gather is to clear your mind? is there a
study i can go to? a place? somewhere i can learn as a beginer to
meditation and everything that goes with it? so far i feel like im a
hitchhiker on the right road but not knowing where im going. i just
want to be enlightend to the universe and other extensions that i am
finding are out there besides me.its like i want to yell "Can someone
tell me where i am, And how i got here?" lol seriously im finding this
a beautiful world but im not sure whats next?

#14682 From: Sandeep <sandeep1960@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] overwhelmed beginer can someone tell me where i am and how i got here?
sandeep1960
Send Email Send Email
 









JESSICA wrote:
this is so frustrating to me. Im a new mom at 28, i have a 1 year old
and just turned 3 yr old. when i had them a door opend up to me and
now im on my journey. so far its led me here, but i feel like im in a
different world that speaks a foreign language. i know im on the right
path, but the lingo is really hard for me to grasp.
:-)

Forget all that is being bandied about.
im really trying.
the thing on spaciousness, i gather is to clear your mind? is there a
study i can go to? a place? somewhere i can learn as a beginer to
meditation and everything that goes with it?
Bob's site has all the tools for you.

Playfully wander about and pick up whatever sits well on you.
so far i feel like im a
hitchhiker on the right road but not knowing where im going.

Well, if you don't care where you are, you ain't  never lost.

You can only be lost, if you believe there is home.



 
i just
want to be enlightend to the universe and other extensions that i am
finding are out there besides me.its like i want to yell "Can someone
tell me where i am, And how i got here?"
Ascertain what or who is that "i" in both those questions.....

.....and the very questions would have been resolved.


lol seriously im finding this a beautiful world but im not sure whats next?
There ain't any.:-)






#14683 From: "JESSICA" <jlmulli2692@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] overwhelmed beginer can someone tell me where i am and how i got here?
jlmulli2692
Send Email Send Email
 
--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Sandeep
<sandeep1960@...> wrote:
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
>
>
>
> JESSICA wrote:
>
> > this is so frustrating to me. Im a new mom at 28, i have a 1
year old
> > and just turned 3 yr old. when i had them a door opend up to me
and
> > now im on my journey. so far its led me here, but i feel like im
in a
> > different world that speaks a foreign language. i know im on the
right
> > path, but the lingo is really hard for me to grasp.
>
> *:-)
>
> Forget all that is being bandied about.*
>
> > im really trying.
> > the thing on spaciousness, i gather is to clear your mind? is
there a
> > study i can go to? a place? somewhere i can learn as a beginer to
> > meditation and everything that goes with it?
>
> *Bob's site has all the tools for you.
>
> Playfully wander about and pick up whatever sits well on you.
> *
>
> > so far i feel like im a
> > hitchhiker on the right road but not knowing where im going.
>
>
> *Well, if you don't care where you are, you ain't  never lost.
>
> You can only be lost, if you believe there is home.
>
>
> *
>
>
> > i just
> > want to be enlightend to the universe and other extensions that
i am
> > finding are out there besides me.its like i want to yell "Can
someone
> > tell me where i am, And how i got here?"
>
> *Ascertain what or who is that "i" in both those questions.....
>
> .....and the very questions would have been resolved.
> *
>
> > lol seriously im finding this a beautiful world but im not sure
whats
> > next?
>
> *There ain't any.:-)*
>
is there a camp or somewhere i can go a like to get classes a school
or something, i thought i was smart but i feel dumb here. i dont
know what bandied is i have to look up alot of words. i need
tutoring. but i know the site is wonderfully helpful. im glad to
have found it. i have learned alot thus far. ty

#14684 From: "Jeff Belyea" <jeff@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] overwhelmed beginer can someone tell me where i am and how i got here?
mindgoal
Send Email Send Email
 
--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "JESSICA"
<jlmulli2692@...> wrote:

> >
> is there a camp or somewhere i can go a like to get classes a school
> or something, i thought i was smart but i feel dumb here. i dont
> know what bandied is i have to look up alot of words. i need
> tutoring. but i know the site is wonderfully helpful. im glad to
> have found it. i have learned alot thus far. ty
>

Hi Jessica -

Here's a beginning:

Breathe. Easy and
natural, right?

Now, notice when you
are inhaling and notice
when you are exhaling.

Do this for a few minutes
(maybe after the kids are
settled for the evening).

When thoughts come in (and
they will) let them go, and
simply return to noticing
when you are inhaling and
when you are exhaling.

Allow yourself to relax
with each exhale. Just be
quietly aware of your
immediate surroundings
while you do this.

Congratulations. You are
now a meditator.

Jeff

#14685 From: Bruce Morgen <editor@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 9:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] overwhelmed beginer can someone tell me where i am and how i got here?
editorjuno
Send Email Send Email
 
Jeff Belyea wrote:

>--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "JESSICA"
><jlmulli2692@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>>is there a camp or somewhere i can go a like to get classes a school
>>or something, i thought i was smart but i feel dumb here. i dont
>>know what bandied is i have to look up alot of words. i need
>>tutoring. but i know the site is wonderfully helpful. im glad to
>>have found it. i have learned alot thus far. ty
>>
>>
>>
>
>Hi Jessica -
>
>Here's a beginning:
>
>Breathe. Easy and
>natural, right?
>
>Now, notice when you
>are inhaling and notice
>when you are exhaling.
>
>Do this for a few minutes
>(maybe after the kids are
>settled for the evening).
>
>When thoughts come in (and
>they will) let them go, and
>simply return to noticing
>when you are inhaling and
>when you are exhaling.
>
>Allow yourself to relax
>with each exhale. Just be
>quietly aware of your
>immediate surroundings
>while you do this.
>
>Congratulations. You are
>now a meditator.
>
Excellent starting advice.
As time goes on, you may
want to refine this simple
practice by (for example)
inhaling through the nose
but exhaling through the
mouth, and altering details
of your posture, such as
learning/assuming lotus
position and/or turning the
palms upward in receptivity
-- or not.               :-)

#14686 From: "aideenmck" <aideenmck@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 10:26 pm
Subject: Re: overwhelmed beginer can someone tell me where i am and how i got here?
aideenmck
Send Email Send Email
 
--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "JESSICA"
<jlmulli2692@...> wrote:
>
> this is so frustrating to me. Im a new mom at 28, i have a 1 year
old
> and just turned 3 yr old. when i had them a door opend up to me
and
> now im on my journey. so far its led me here, but i feel like im
in a
> different world that speaks a foreign language. i know im on the
right
> path, but the lingo is really hard for me to grasp. im really
trying.
> the thing on spaciousness, i gather is to clear your mind? is
there a
> study i can go to? a place? somewhere i can learn as a beginer to
> meditation and everything that goes with it? so far i feel like im
a
> hitchhiker on the right road but not knowing where im going. i
just
> want to be enlightend to the universe and other extensions that i
am
> finding are out there besides me.its like i want to yell "Can
someone
> tell me where i am, And how i got here?" lol seriously im finding
this
> a beautiful world but im not sure whats next?
>
Jessica - You may find it helpful to read Lawrence Leshan's "How to
Meditate".  It helped me when I felt overwhelmed.  And while doing
whatever your life gives you to do (changing diapers, etc.), remain
always in the here & now, not in the past or the future.  When you
discover that you've momentarily lost the present, return to it
without being annoyed with yourself.  Inhale.  Exhale.  Pay
attention.  There you are.  :)

#14687 From: "aideenmck" <aideenmck@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 11:02 pm
Subject: Re: overwhelmed beginer can someone tell me where i am and how i got here?
aideenmck
Send Email Send Email
 
--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "aideenmck"
<aideenmck@...> wrote:
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "JESSICA"
> <jlmulli2692@> wrote:
> >
> > this is so frustrating to me. Im a new mom at 28, i have a 1
year
> old
> > and just turned 3 yr old. when i had them a door opend up to me
> and
> > now im on my journey. so far its led me here, but i feel like im
> in a
> > different world that speaks a foreign language. i know im on the
> right
> > path, but the lingo is really hard for me to grasp. im really
> trying.
> > the thing on spaciousness, i gather is to clear your mind? is
> there a
> > study i can go to? a place? somewhere i can learn as a beginer
to
> > meditation and everything that goes with it? so far i feel like
im
> a
> > hitchhiker on the right road but not knowing where im going. i
> just
> > want to be enlightend to the universe and other extensions that
i
> am
> > finding are out there besides me.its like i want to yell "Can
> someone
> > tell me where i am, And how i got here?" lol seriously im
finding
> this
> > a beautiful world but im not sure whats next?
> >
> Jessica - You may find it helpful to read Lawrence Leshan's "How
to
> Meditate".  It helped me when I felt overwhelmed.  And while doing
> whatever your life gives you to do (changing diapers, etc.),
remain
> always in the here & now, not in the past or the future.  When you
> discover that you've momentarily lost the present, return to it
> without being annoyed with yourself.  Inhale.  Exhale.  Pay
> attention.  There you are.  :)
>
Oh & by the way - if you can't find "how to Meditate" at the
library, do what Jeff Belyea suggested - that's Leshan's book in a
nutshell!

#14688 From: "aideenmck" <aideenmck@...>
Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 1:08 am
Subject: Re: overwhelmed beginer can someone tell me where i am and how i got here?
aideenmck
Send Email Send Email
 
--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "aideenmck"
<aideenmck@...> wrote:
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "aideenmck"
> <aideenmck@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "JESSICA"
> > <jlmulli2692@> wrote:
> > >
> > > this is so frustrating to me. Im a new mom at 28, i have a 1
> year
> > old
> > > and just turned 3 yr old. when i had them a door opend up to
me
> > and
> > > now im on my journey. so far its led me here, but i feel like
im
> > in a
> > > different world that speaks a foreign language. i know im on
the
> > right
> > > path, but the lingo is really hard for me to grasp. im really
> > trying.
> > > the thing on spaciousness, i gather is to clear your mind? is
> > there a
> > > study i can go to? a place? somewhere i can learn as a beginer
> to
> > > meditation and everything that goes with it? so far i feel
like
> im
> > a
> > > hitchhiker on the right road but not knowing where im going. i
> > just
> > > want to be enlightend to the universe and other extensions
that
> i
> > am
> > > finding are out there besides me.its like i want to yell "Can
> > someone
> > > tell me where i am, And how i got here?" lol seriously im
> finding
> > this
> > > a beautiful world but im not sure whats next?
> > >
> > Jessica - You may find it helpful to read Lawrence Leshan's "How
> to
> > Meditate".  It helped me when I felt overwhelmed.  And while
doing
> > whatever your life gives you to do (changing diapers, etc.),
> remain
> > always in the here & now, not in the past or the future.  When
you
> > discover that you've momentarily lost the present, return to it
> > without being annoyed with yourself.  Inhale.  Exhale.  Pay
> > attention.  There you are.  :)
> >
> Oh & by the way - if you can't find "how to Meditate" at the
> library, do what Jeff Belyea suggested - that's Leshan's book in a
> nutshell!
>
Another  "by the way" & then I'll keep quiet - you might want to
borrow Eckhart Tolle's "The Power of Now"

#14689 From: prakki surya <dattapr2000@...>
Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 6:02 am
Subject: Spirituality & Bliss
dattapr2000
Send Email Send Email
 

dear friends

 
Every spiritual aspirant aims at the bliss to be obtained by himself (Atmaananda). Salvation means liberation from all the worries and misery. Sayujyam or Kaivalyam means reaching the God to attain the bliss because God is Infinite Ocean of bliss. If this is the aim of spirituality, how is it different from materialism? In materialism also every body wants to release from worries and misery and wants to attain permanent happiness, which is called bliss. Therefore, there is no difference between a materialistic aspirant and a spiritual aspirant.
 
The only difference between these two aspirants is that the materialistic aspirant uses the worldly items as instruments to attain the goal and the spiritual aspirant uses God as instrument to attain the same goal. Remember that enjoying bliss is enjoying the fruit you have earned. If you enjoy the bliss in this world, nothing remains for the upper world. In the upper world you cannot do any effort (Karma) and earn the bliss because it is only the world of enjoyment (Bhogaloka) and not the world of any effort (Karma Loka). Therefore, you must think of reducing your desire to enjoy the bliss-fruit obtained from God. Even if you store a part of the fruit for the upper world you have to come back to this earth again to do the spiritual effort. It has lot of risk because when you return back again we don’t know the atmosphere in which you will be placed and so you cannot be sure of this spiritual effort.
 
Then what is to be done? Go on doing the spiritual effort without aspiring for the bliss-fruit. Surrender the fruit to the Lord and you have no aspiration for that fruit. You are entering into the service of Lord as His beloved servant. You must aspire the bliss of the God and not the bliss for yourself. This means you should do such service to the Lord so that it pleases Him. The bliss or pleasure of the Lord should be your goal. If Lord is pleased you are pleased. In the service even if you undergo loss and get troubles and misery, it should be a pleasure for you because the service is going to finally please the Lord. This is the highest path in which your bliss-fruit is infinitely multiplied and is beyond any account.
 
When the finger of Lord Krishna was cut, Draupadi tore her sari and banded the finger. It was a very costly sari and she is sitting in the sacrifice of Rajasuya. If then the sari is torn, she will loose wealth. She knows it and Pandavas lost the kingdom after the sacrifice. She was prepared for all this because her goal was only to please the Lord. When she applied the piece of cloth as a bandage, she never aspired the bliss-fruit for that service. Therefore, that piece was infinitely multiplied into several saris and was given to her by the Lord at a proper time. Similarly, when you sacrifice the bliss-fruit to the Lord, it will be infinitely multiplied and He will give you whenever the right occasion comes according to His discrimination. In this stage the Lord is pleased to see you enjoying the bliss and therefore, you must enjoy the bliss because that pleases the Lord.
 
  posted by: His servant
  at the lotus feet of shri datta swami
  www.universal-spirituality.org


Yahoo! Mail
Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

#14690 From: Delia Tofolean <deliatfn@...>
Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] overwhelmed beginer can someone tell me where i am and how i got here?
deliatfn
Send Email Send Email
 
Hi Jeff,
 
I think u are a wonderful teacher. For me u are the genuine spirit who has inspired my favourite Zen Koan:
 
1.   A Cup of Tea
Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.
Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup full, and then kept on pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. "It is overfull. No more will go in!"
"Like this cup," Nan-in said, "you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"
 
In my poor opinion one has first to choose the right cup and afterwards he can try to empty it.
 
With great respect
 
Delia

Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "JESSICA"
<jlmulli2692@...> wrote:

> >
> is there a camp or somewhere i can go a like to get classes a school
> or something, i thought i was smart but i feel dumb here. i dont
> know what bandied is i have to look up alot of words. i need
> tutoring. but i know the site is wonderfully helpful. im glad to
> have found it. i have learned alot thus far. ty
>

Hi Jessica -

Here's a beginning:

Breathe. Easy and
natural, right?

Now, notice when you
are inhaling and notice
when you are exhaling.

Do this for a few minutes
(maybe after the kids are
settled for the evening).

When thoughts come in (and
they will) let them go, and
simply return to noticing
when you are inhaling and
when you are exhaling.

Allow yourself to relax
with each exhale. Just be
quietly aware of your
immediate surroundings
while you do this.

Congratulations. You are
now a meditator.

Jeff






Yahoo! Mail
Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

#14691 From: "Jeff Belyea" <jeff@...>
Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 7:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] overwhelmed beginer can someone tell me where i am and how i got here?
mindgoal
Send Email Send Email
 
Thank you, Delia, for the heartwarming
compliments, and the great story.

Jeff

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Delia Tofolean
<deliatfn@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
>   I think u are a wonderful teacher. For me u are the genuine
spirit who has inspired my favourite Zen Koan:
>
>   1.   A Cup of Tea
>     Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912),
received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.   Nan-
in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup full, and then kept on
pouring.   The professor watched the overflow until he no longer
could restrain himself. "It is overfull. No more will go
in!"   "Like this cup," Nan-in said, "you are full of your own
opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first
empty your cup?"
>
>   In my poor opinion one has first to choose the right cup and
afterwards he can try to empty it.
>
>   With great respect
>
>   Delia
>
> Jeff Belyea <jeff@...> wrote:
>   --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "JESSICA"
> <jlmulli2692@> wrote:
>
> > >
> > is there a camp or somewhere i can go a like to get classes a
school
> > or something, i thought i was smart but i feel dumb here. i dont
> > know what bandied is i have to look up alot of words. i need
> > tutoring. but i know the site is wonderfully helpful. im glad to
> > have found it. i have learned alot thus far. ty
> >
>
> Hi Jessica -
>
> Here's a beginning:
>
> Breathe. Easy and
> natural, right?
>
> Now, notice when you
> are inhaling and notice
> when you are exhaling.
>
> Do this for a few minutes
> (maybe after the kids are
> settled for the evening).
>
> When thoughts come in (and
> they will) let them go, and
> simply return to noticing
> when you are inhaling and
> when you are exhaling.
>
> Allow yourself to relax
> with each exhale. Just be
> quietly aware of your
> immediate surroundings
> while you do this.
>
> Congratulations. You are
> now a meditator.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   SPONSORED LINKS
>         Health and wellness   Alternative medicine   Health
wellness product     Health and wellness program   Health promotion
and wellness   Womens health and wellness
>
> ---------------------------------
>   YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
>
>     Visit your group "meditationsocietyofamerica" on the web.
>
>     To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>  meditationsocietyofamerica-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>     Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>  Yahoo! Mail
>  Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
>

#14692 From: "thinkerisnot" <pthere@...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2006 5:12 pm
Subject: Some personal experiences
thinkerisnot
Send Email Send Email
 
Hi,
I have been using self-enquiry and neti, neti among others and put some of my experiences in a book that is coming out in April. It's not entirely about meditation but more about the processes of mind and observations along the process.You can find it here: Fragments of Reality.

/Peter

#14693 From: "Jeff Belyea" <jeff@...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2006 2:06 pm
Subject: The Ultimate Meditation Experience
mindgoal
Send Email Send Email
 
(Inspired by the tea cup story.)

Those who learn meditation as a
relaxation technique and seek
only a means of stress management
will find meditation uniquely
valuable.

For those who come to meditation
in response to a deep intuitive
sense of "something missing"
in their lives, or in some cases
a desperate longing for peace
of mind - those who seek
enlightenment, the ultimate
meditation experience - and
remain unsatisfied, you may
be open to the following:

(Please keep in mind that
this teaching uses a model, a
paradigm, for expressing what
cannot really be put into words.
So, terms like, "guru, astral,
causal, Source, enlightenment"
are mere conveniences for the
sake of communication.)

Why are many not enlightened, after
years and years of seeking, and time
with a guru or many gurus (teachers,
if you prefer)?

First, a little history of how
guru comes to be guru:

When some fully enlightened ones
die to this physical realm, they
become one with the light being who
is a singular being, yet composed of
all enlightened beings, past, present
and future (beyond time), on the astral
plane.

Actually, if they are guru, they
are already infused with the light
while living, as we all are, but
guru is awakened to this truth by
direct experience and is consciously
aware of this infusion.

Other enlightened ones merge
immediately with Source upon physical
death. This same scenario is reflected
on the early plane as a "preview"
for guru - enlightened ones who are
empowered to be darkness (gu)
remover (ru) - teachers.

All enlightened ones living on earth have
"visited" the astral plane and merged
with Source as a "living" experience.
(More accurately, it is a dying
experience - the death of a wrongly
held previous idea of who they were,
and the re-birth of their True identity).

Some enlightened ones speak of
encountering the astral light being.
Others report (or recall) only merging
with Source.

All living enlightened ones, those
who have entered nirvikalpa samadhi (were
consciously filled with The Holy Spirit,
or whatever term fits your tradion),
passed through this astral plane and into the
causal presence of Source, were absorbed
in the Divine Love that is Source, merged
with Source, and then returned to earthly
living, become guru. They are guides
for those who come to them for teaching.
They speak from direct personal experience -
the only way of truly Knowing Source.

Some present themselves openly as guru,
others serve their purpose in more
subtle ways, but they know they must
share the awesome Truth of Enlightenment,
and they do in some way...for the remainder
of their physical lives, in virtually
everything they do. Most use theistic
language, because of the "spiritual"
sense of their experience, and some
do not use theistic language. The
parallels are obvious to enlightened
ones, in any event.

Guru has been "baptized" with fire and
power. They have died to self and now
live only to serve as empowered witnesses
of the Truth of Enlightenment - for those
who are drawn to find a teacher and a
guide to their own awakening, realization
and enlightenment.

If a guru is a bodhisattva (by any name),
they will return "full time" (beyond
time) to the astral plane upon physical
death, and "usher" into the causal plane,
those whose incarnations on earth have
finally brought them to enlightenment...
until all sentient beings are enlightened.
That is the core of their "vow".
Jesus is such a one.

Guru is already consciousnly one
with the astral light being, while
still in the physical body on earth.
Yet, of course, they are seen
in their physical body. For those
who, as Jesus said, have "ears to
hear", they speak of the Truth
that you are reading here.

It may be this "light" that guru
has been infused with that is
the empowering catalyst - known
by some as "transmission", as in when
a seeker, a sincere student, reaches
the point of emptying their mind
of concepts and "empties their cup",
that the Knowing of the Guru may
be transmitted to them - taking
them to the astral plane, and
possibly into the causal plane
of Source and full enlightenment.

There is an intermediary step,
known as the unitive experience
that some experience as a clarity
of the perfect harmony of all that
"Is" that precedes entrance into
the astral plane. Some experience
this as a "whisper" from God, a
knowing of divine presence. Others
experience this as a "naturalness",
an "Of course!" as if the harmony
had been there all the time, and
now they Know it. Many have
experienced this without a guru -
or their guru has been a sunrise,
an "out of the blue" awakening
(of sorts) in a variety of settings.

Some see this unitive experience
as "all there is" and so the debates
about enlightenment, and guru, and
transmission go on. But that's another
chapter. This email is already way
too long.

Gurus' "Knowing" and therefore
their teaching, is that enlightenment
is the destiny of humankind. They do not
know the time or the "schedule" of
the fulfillment of this destiny, and many
gurus, in their bliss and enthusiasm
for this full enlightenment of all
sentient beings, seem to over-promise
that enlightenment is available to
all who seek it. This is seen in the
many seekers who have spent time
with gurus and walked away disappointed,
as well as those who profess desperate
longing, yet after years with a guru
(or a string of gurus) are still not
awakened, realized or enlightened.

Guru "Knows" of the availability,
of the inherent ability, in all
who seek to satisfy their longing,
but the secondary identity (ego)
often interprets the guru's teachings
as some profession of personal power
or pretense, and so does not surrender
their own ego to the teachings -
even though they may say that they do.
They know in their hearts if this
is so, or not. So does guru.

This (ego) is the final stumbling block
to enlightenment. After years and
years of accepting a secondary identity
(this physical body and the linear
thought processes), it is difficult;
in fact impossible for most, to defer
to the possibility that there is
some "Power" or "Knowing" or "Source"
that is great than their seemingly
separate individual self. And so,
they do not take the final leap,
the final surrender, the ultimate
laying down of their lives, in order
to be "born again" to their primary
identity as already merged with Source.

To add some clarity here: the "final
surrender" is a sacrifice of even the
seeking - the longing to Know, to be
enlightened. Everything, every thought,
is laid down in complete and utter
willingness to "die" to Know.

This teaching can be confusing, and is
often taught as, "one should not seek",
or that "the seeking is the problem,
because you are already enlightened".
But without awakening and realization
of the enlightenment, it is not Known
to conscious perception.

Guru can only offer the Truth that
Guru Knows. When the student is ready
the guru will come into their life.
There is a huge distinction between
the student who is ready and the
student who "wishes" they were ready.

Rare few are ready. Many wish they
were ready. Some come to meditation,
as a way to reduce stress or learn
to relax, only to find a deeper longing
within, and they come to the startling
realization that they are on a quest
to know an ineffable something, that
"something missing"...and they become
seekers.

Ready or not?

Sundays with Papajeff

#14694 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2006 2:45 pm
Subject: Mantra Effective For PTSD
medit8ionsoc...
 
As reported in Medicalnewstoday.com:

Latest Research Shows How Mantrams Can Even
Tackle Post-traumatic Stress
Main Category: Complementary Medicine News
Article Date: 05 Mar 2006 - 13:00pm (UK)

Repeating mantrams can help control the symptoms of
post-traumatic stress disorder, have a calming effect
in traffic and even ease the boredom of exercise,
according to a study in the latest issue of Journal
of Advanced Nursing.

83 per cent of veterans and hospital staff surveyed
after a five-week mantram course told researchers
from the US Department of Veterans Affairs that they
found the technique â€" which involves silently and
continuously repeating calming words or phrases
throughout the day - useful on a number of occasions.

Just under a quarter of these occasions (24 per cent)
related to traffic and work-related stress, 13 per cent
to insomnia and 12 per cent to unwanted thoughts. More
than half (51 per cent) related to emotional situations.

"Repeating the mantram seemed to stop post-traumatic
stress disorder-type dreams that had occurred for 10
to 11 years" said a former veteran and one of the 66
people taking part in the survey.

"I have racing thoughts. I think about a ton of
things " what I'm going to do about this and what
I'm going to do about that " and then I start the
mantram and it helps" added another.

A third found that using a mantram had an unexpectedly
healthy side effect, commenting: "I use it sometimes
when I'm on the treadmill at the gym. When I'm wishing
that the time would go a little faster. And I'll just
start using my mantram and then I forget about it and
it helps me exercise a little longer."

"The people taking part in the study found that silently
repeating a specific word or phrase helped them to handle
a number of difficult situations" explains lead researcher
Jill E Bormann, Research Nurse Scientist at the
Veterans Affairs San Diego Healthcare System in California.

Dr Bormann and her fellow researchers " from the
Universities of California and North Carolina  deliberately
chose two highly stressed groups to take part in the study.

"Veterans are well known to have many chronic physical
and mental health symptoms that interfere with their
quality of life and their ability to live normal
everyday lives. Similarly, hospital employees have
high levels of job stress, leading to decreased job
satisfaction and subsequent increases in healthcare
costs" she explains.

People taking part in the five-week course, which
comprised a one-and-a-half hour session a week, were
taught to choose and repeat a cue word or mantram
frequently during the day, using guidelines drawn
from The Mantram Handbook by Eknath Easwaran of the
Blue Mountain Center of Meditation in Tomales, California.

Easwaran describes mantrams as a "spiritual formula
for transformation". Dr Bormann calls them a "jacuzzi
for the mind", adding that "using a word that embodies
spirituality helps to initiate the relaxation response and
centeredness."

"People taking part in our study were encouraged to
use the mantram during ordinary and relaxing times,
so that they associated it with a calming effect when
they needed to use it during times of turmoil" she
explains. "Easwaran advises that people use it when they
need it and use it when they don't!"

Most of the volunteers from southern California who took
part chose words or phrases that reflected their
religious beliefs. People without specific beliefs
chose other soothing phrases.

29 of the 30 veterans were male, with an average age
of 63. Seven had been diagnosed with a psychiatric
disorder and six suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder.

31 of the 36 hospital staff were female with an average
age of 50 and two had a psychiatric diagnosis.

"Mantram repetition may be useful in diverse modern
populations for managing a variety of internal emotional
states that sometimes appear endemic to technological
society, such as anger, frustration and impatience" says
Dr Bormann.

Dr Bormann has just received research funding from the
Department of Veterans Affairs to carry out further
investigation into the benefits of mantram repetition
for veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.

She has also been working on a project to see if mantram
repetition decreases anger and increases spiritual faith
in adults with HIV.

###

Further information and press copies of the full paper are available
from Annette Whibley, Wizard Communications wordwizard@...

Notes to editors

# Mantram repetition for stress management in veterans and employees:
a critical incident study. Bormann et al. VA San Diego Healthcare
System, San Diego, California, USA. Journal of Advanced Nursing.
Volume 53.5. Pages 502-512. (March 2006).

# The Veterans Affairs San Diego Healthcare System provides acute and
primary care to San Diego veterans through its medical center and
community clinics. It is a designated Center of Excellence for Post-
Traumatic Stress Disorder.

# Journal of Advanced Nursing, which is celebrating its 30th
anniversary in 2006, is read by experienced nurses, midwives, health
visitors and advanced nursing students in over 80 countries. It
informs, educates, explores, debates and challenges the foundations
of nursing health care knowledge and practice worldwide. Edited by
Professor Alison Tierney, it is published 24 times a year by
Blackwell Publishing Ltd, part of the international Blackwell
Publishing group. http://www.journalofadvancednursing.com/

Contact: Annette Whibley
wordwizard@...
Blackwell Publishing Ltd.

#14695 From: prakki surya <dattapr2000@...>
Date: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:47 am
Subject: Lord & Free Will
dattapr2000
Send Email Send Email
 
 
A) In Islam and Christianity there is no rebirth for the soul. The soul gets human birth only once. After this human birth the soul will either go to the Lord or will go to the hell permanently. Only one Lord created this entire universe. Therefore the policy should be the same for all the souls in this universe. There is only one Lord. All the souls are equal to Him. Can you deny this? If you don’t agree with this theory, you can follow your own faith. But your faith is not important. The truth is important. What ever is true, that alone happens and not as per your faith. If you agree with this policy I can correlate all the religions. If you can correlate all the religions in a better way, I will also agree with you. If you are not caring for the correlation and follow your faith only, there is nothing for me to preach you.
 
My correlation of all the religions is like this: In Gita two paths are explained. In the first path one goes to Brahmaloka without returning back. In the other path one returns back to this earth and falls in the cycle of births and deaths which is the wheel of Samsara. In all the religions there are only two paths. Reaching Brahmaloka is reaching the Lord. Falling in the cycle animals and births is going to the hell permanently. The soul which, has fallen in this hell will never get the human rebirth in which there is facility of trying to reach Brahmaloka. Not getting such a spiritual human rebirth is the absence of rebirth. The soul which, goes to Brahmaloka will never get the rebirth of animals and birds and in such sense this soul also has no rebirth. But one point is to be understood carefully. The birth of animal, bird, worm etc., does not mean the actual animal or bird or worm etc. There are several human beings who live like animals, birds and worms. Such human births are also the births of animals, birds, worms etc., We are seeing such human beings in majority on this earth. They are immersed in the worldly bonds like money, children etc. They cannot cut their blind love to these worldly bonds. Even if they put some spiritual effort, it is incomplete because of the attachment with these bonds. Such souls when they go to the upper worlds are also involved in such bonds in the upper worlds also. They can never attain Brahmaloka by preaching any amount of divine knowledge to them. But if they are not preached they will blame the Lord during the enquiry posing that they might have attained Brahmaloka, had they received the divine knowledge. The Lord preaches them also only to save himself from such blame and not to save them. Therefore if you are having all the facilities and also interest in the spiritual line this is the best birth for you and this is the only chance for you. If you waste this human birth you are falling into the births of animals etc. You are not given such chance again.
 
Islam and Christianity say that the soul has to wait for the final enquiry which, is to be done at the end of this world. This human body (Pindanda) is stated as the world (Brahmanda). The human body is a mini world containing the same components. Therefore the death of this human body can be treated as the end of this world from the point of the soul. You can also treat the day as birth and night as death. Veda says that the deep sleep is equal to death (Naviduhu Sati Sampatsyama Iti). Gita also says the same (Prabhavantyaharagame). Therefore the feelings (Samskaras) of previous births mean only the feelings of yesterday. If you are in the spiritual line and if you are making sincere spiritual effort to cut these worldly bonds and to strengthen the bond with the Lord, your lifetime can be extended by the Lord. You will cross the day of your death by the grace of the Lord, which is a rebirth. Such extension of life will help you really in the spiritual effort if you are given a human rebirth there will be lot of gap since you have to stay in the womb of your mother and you have to cross the childhood. Such long gap will give a serious break in your spiritual effort. From this point of view also there is no human rebirth. If one cannot attain the Brahmaloka in this human birth itself by getting the extension of life, can such a soul get Brahmaloka in the next human birth after such a long gap? Gita also says that the soul is taking birth and death constantly during the day and night (Athachainam Nitya Jatam). Like this all the three religions can be correlated and only one theory is evolved.
 
at the lotus of shri datta swami
surya
www.universal-spirituality.org


Yahoo! Mail
Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

#14696 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:57 am
Subject: 15 Year Old Buddha Missing
medit8ionsoc...
 
Jungle search for teenage 'Buddha'
Saturday, March 11, 2006; Posted: 11:31 p.m. EST
KATHMANDU, Nepal (AP) -- Hundreds of people scoured
a jungle in southern Nepal on Sunday for a missing
teenager who many believe is the reincarnation of Buddha.
Ram Bahadur Banjan, 15, disappeared Saturday from a
forest where he had meditated for the last 10 months,
during which his associates said he consumed no food
or water.
Local official Santaraj Subedi said police, followers
and family members were looking for the boy in the
jungles of Bara, about 160 kilometers (100 miles)
south of the capital, Kathmandu. Police official
Gautam Raj Kattel said some people said they saw Banjan
walking southwards before dawn on Saturday. His
clothes were found near where he had been meditating.

Banjan had been sitting cross-legged and motionless
with his eyes closed in a niche among the roots of
a tree in the jungle since May 17, 2005. Thousands
of followers flocked to see him every day. The area
is known to have substantial numbers of communist rebels
who have been fighting government troops for a decade.
But Kattel said he doubted the boy was abducted by
the rebels or by local criminals, adding he believed
Banjan just wandered off.

Many followers believe Banjan is a reincarnation of
Gautama Siddhartha, who was born not far away in
southwestern Nepal around 500 B.C. and later became
revered as the Buddha.

Visitors have only been allowed to view Banjan between
dawn and dusk from a roped-off area about 25 meters
(80 feet) away. His handlers kept him from public
view at night, when they would place a screen in front
of him. Buddhist priests who visited him said the boy
was not the incarnation of Buddha, but believed he
had been meditating for months. Buddhism teaches that
right thinking and self-control can enable people
to achieve nirvana -- a divine state of peace and
release from desire. Buddhism has about 325 million
followers, mostly in Asia.

FAIR USE NOTICE
This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are
making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding
of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy,
scientific, spiritual, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this
constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided
for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title
17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed
without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational
purposes. For more information go to:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use
copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go
beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner

#14697 From: "Mary" <marylewis62@...>
Date: Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:58 am
Subject: FW: Free Herbal Health CD-ROM
marylewis1962
Send Email Send Email
 
Hey everyone. I got this message on one of my other lists I am
subscribed to and thought I'd forward it to all of you because I got
my Herbal Encyclopedia CD in the other day and think it's wonderful!
Anyways, you can get yours at http://www.freecdbooks.com. It's
free but you still have to pay for shipping ($5) but it's way worth
it.

Mary

> Greetings,
>
> My name is Neal. I am writing to let you know about my free Herbal
> Encyclopedia CD-ROM. It contains information about thousands of
> herbs, their uses, home remedies, and more! You can quickly access
> reference material on herbal health and alternative treatments for
> most common ailments. This CD is the most comprehensive source of
> herbal information available, and best of all it's FREE!
>
> For more information, please visit my web site:
>
> http://www.freecdbooks.com
>
> Blessings,
>
> Neal Parr
> http://www.freecdbooks.com

#14698 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:27 am
Subject: Being Serious About Meditation
medit8ionsoc...
 
A new member of this group shared that they
wanted to get "serious" about meditation.
In a way this is like feeding a comedian
a straight line, and I'm tempted to come
back with some wise-guy remark like
"Seriously, you can't possibly be serious
about meditation", but I won't....er,
I guess I just did:-) Anyway, an old friend
40+years ago said to me that my "problem" was
that I took serious things that aren't, and
didn't take seriously enough the things that
were. And he was right on. This was back in
hippie days and I was all concerned with sex,
drugs, rock and roll and ending the Vietnam war.
I actually was "spiritually seeking" as well,
but doing it in a way that just came down to
finding new and better ways to get high, and
that's what in part started the assembling of the
meditation techniques that appear on our web
site Meditation Station http://www.meditationsociety.com
But eventually the realization came that evolving in
consciousness was the only real "hope" I (or any
of us) have. Our bodies will surely fade away,
as will our thoughts and emotions. The only
possible thing that may survive is our consciousness.
And that's what meditation deals with. The practicing
of a technique or a few that bring you peace is the
best thing you can do for yourself for now and
if there is a possibility of forever, forever.
Read all you can, be in the company of those who
have an advanced level of spiritual knowledge and
demonstrate it in their actions and reactions, avoid
those who "bring you down", try to be consistent
in your practice, rid yourself of the habit of
habits, don't waste time rehashing the past or
trying to plot the future, witness your life as it
takes place, be selfless in thought and action,
and all the other things that follow the basic
game plan for spiritual growth that the great
Swami Sivananda put so well "Be good. Do good".
And the best specific to meditation advice I
can give you is to actually meditate.
Peace and blessings,
Bob

#14699 From: prakki surya <dattapr2000@...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:12 pm
Subject: divine administration
dattapr2000
Send Email Send Email
 
dear friends
 
It is the climax of ignorance to think that the spiritual knowledge is unrelated to the present worldly affairs. People think that the spiritual knowledge is always related to the upper world only and this shows their ignorance. The Lord is simultaneous ruler of this world as well as the upper world. The Lord can grant any materialistic boon in this world and also can give simultaneously the protection in the upper world. The Lord is also involved in the social problems of this world because He is ultimately governing this society also. There is His government underlying in the present human government as the foundation. The present human government is like the castle seen above the ground. But the government of the Lord is like the hidden foundation present inside the ground. Jesus always referred this government of the Lord. Lord Krishna also exhibited the existence of this invisible government of the Lord by showing the vision of His cosmic form (Viswaroopam). Arjuna decided to withdraw from the war and thereby he thought that his grandfather Bishma and the teacher Drona would escape from death. By this Dharmaraja will not become the king. Both the punishment of the evil and protection of justice were withdrawn by Arjuna. The actual petitioner was withdrawing from his own case. Then in such case Krishna, the advocate of Arjuna need not worry. Arjuna thought that he brought Krishna as his helper in his own case. If the petitioner withdraws his own case, the court accepts and leaves the case in the present human government. But the ultimate government will not accept it. Even if the petitioner does not file his case, the case is registered in the court of the ultimate divine government. Therefore Krishna turned the tables diagonally opposite. In His exhibited Viswaroopam, Krishna showed that He Himself was killing the evil opponents called as Kauravas. This picture proved that Krishna is the petitioner and Arjuna was His helper. The petitioner will do his work even in the absence of the helper. You may think that the kingdom belongs to Pandavas for, which the war was taking place and therefore Arjuna should be the real petitioner and war must be his work. You will misunderstand like this as long as you think Krishna as an ordinary human being. But Krishna was Lord in human form and the entire creation was His kingdom. Therefore the society present on this tiny earth is also a small part of His kingdom. Every living being is under the rule of His divine government and therefore any affair of the individual or the society is His subject only. Arjuna understood the meaning of this vision and that his grandfather and teacher cannot live even if he withdraws from the war. Therefore he thought that it would be better to follow the instruction of the Lord and kill them so that atleast he will please the Lord.
 
The absence of realization of the existence of this underlying invisible divine government of the Lord, which was preached by Jesus again and again as kingdom of heaven and which was exhibited by Krishna through the divine vision, is responsible for all the present burning problems at the individual level as well as at the gross level of the society. The human government is neglecting to propagate the awareness regarding the existence of this divine government. In fact the divine government also rules the human government. Perhaps the human government is feeling about the loss of its prestige by propagating the presence of this ultimate divine government. The awareness of the concept of this ultimate government of the Lord can be propagated through education at the primary level. But the government especially in India feels shy to introduce the spiritual knowledge in the education due to the so-called secularism. Secularism really means that the same medicine is present in every cup and you can take the medicine present in all the cups with equal liking. Secularism also means that you can take the medicine from any cup and respect other cups with equality. But the present secularism has ended in a horrible sense by which the medicine is not taken at all from a single cup or all cups. Such sense is misunderstood or misinterpreted secularism. Mahatma Gandhi prayed Eeshwara and Allah equally and that is the real secularism. But in the present secularism you neither pray Eeshwara nor Allah nor both with equality. Instead of such pseudo secularism, it is better not to have secularism at all. Let us like one cup only and take the medicine from that cup. It is better that India remains as a Hindu country and follow the spiritual knowledge of Hinduism sincerely. In the present false secularism, India neither takes the spiritual knowledge from Hinduism nor from any other religion. The government feels shy in uttering even the word God, which is above all the religions like the medicine, which is not related with any cup.
 


 
at the lotus of shri datta swami


Yahoo! Mail
Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

#14700 From: veena shenoy <rajeevi0416@...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:13 pm
Subject: invitation
rajeevi0416
Send Email Send Email
 
Dear divine Friends,
                            It is my pleasure to invite you all to attend
29 yr old enlightened master , Nithyananda Swamiji's program in NJ.
April 12th to 17th, 2006
For more info please visit www.dhyanapeetam.org
.
Free Discourses and Meditation camp by Nithyananda Swamiji
Wed, Thur, Fri: April 12th to 14th
7:00 - 10.pm

An introduction to the Shiva Sutras…

In this world tour, all the discourses by Swamiji are commentaries on the Shiva Sutras. The Shiva Sutras are the scriptures given directly by Lord Shiva to Devi, His consort, more than 5000 years ago. They speak about the various meditation techniques which help to reach 'Shiva Consciousness'.
 
12 Apr - Awaken! to the ‘moment’
 FREE Discourse
7 p.m to 10 p.m
Muhlenberg Hospital Auditorium
Park Ave & Randolph Rd
Plainfield, NJ 07060
 
Your past is a dead load that you carry with you. It keeps you unproductively absorbed in it. It keeps you from attaining to the untouched reality within you. If you can disconnect from your past, every moment you will be alive and fresh and bubbling with energy. Then, every moment that you give birth to will also be alive and vibrant. Spirituality is not any religion, it is simply being in the moment without the dead weight of the past or the future.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
13 Apr - See Light within!
FREE Discourse
7 p.m to 10 p.m
Muhlenberg Hospital Auditorium
Park Ave & Randolph Rd
Plainfield, NJ 07060
 
The outer world is a mere reflection of your mental setup. The more complex and scattered you are inside, the more scattered and complex the outer world seems to be. When you see the light of Consciousness inside, the outer world fades into insignificance and you radiate your inner silence like a beautiful lotus in a pond – untouched by the waters although deep in it.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
14 Apr - You are the source
 FREE Discourse
Hilton Garden Inn, Bridgewater
500 Promenade Blvd
Bridgewater, NJ 08807
 
You are the source of all your emotions. Love or hate, pain or pleasure, happiness or sorrow – you are the source. Nothing or no one outside is responsible for it. When you understand this clearly, you will stop blaming and start attaining to inner purity. When you attain to inner purity, you will understand the folly in blaming the outer world and you will flower natu
Discourses are Free and Open To All

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dhyana Spurana Program
(The Flowering of Meditation)
Life bliss program is a must to attend this camp
2 day meditation camp
April 15th and 16th
Sat and Sun
8 a.m to late night
Hilton Garden Inn, Bridgewater
500 Promenade Blvd
Bridgewater, NJ 08807
 
Our inherent nature is to renounce thoughts. Every thought is like a bubble that arises and bursts and the next thought comes up. As long as this natural process of renouncing the thoughts is allowed to happen, things are perfectly alright. This is our true nature. This is the meditative state we ought to be in.
But the problem starts because we start connecting our thoughts and start making a shaft of either pleasure or pain with it. This shaft is a product of our mind which itself is a myth. Our mind is nothing but a myth because it is just a collection of all these connected thoughts.
Our Consciousness suffers because of this process by which we connect our thoughts. We become a slave to our mind and cling on to it thinking that it is a reality. We do much damage to our Being because of this virtual reality that we create with our mind. When this happens, we fall completely out of sync with our true meditative nature; we move completely away from being pure Consciousness.
The Dhyana Spurana Program is a 2-day meditation program, designed to help us center ourselves in our Being and re-connect ourselves with our true meditative nature. It is a program to liberate us from the clutches of our mind, from our emotions, which are again just a by-product of our mind. It is aimed at breaking our mythical mental setup of pain and pleasure and creating a space in us for meditation to flower.
This program offers several meditation techniques suited to all types of people conceived. It is a unique program aimed at the flowering of meditation within each and every individual. It is a program that clears the Unconscious in every individual and puts one on the path of Eternal Bliss or Nithyananda.
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Other activities of Nithyananda foundation:
March 11th and 12th " Life bliss program. Chakra meditation meditation camp in Marlboro, nj :
March 18th and 19th: Health and Healing meditation camp in Marlboro, nj
For more info please visit www.dhyanapeetam.org

Lifestyle is not Life!
(Discourse)
We are so caught up with improving our lifestyle, that we forget to live our lives! Your lifestyle determines all the external conditions of your life. Your life decides your inner experience, your attitude, the awareness with which you live. You can never fully control your external environment, but your internal state is always in your hands. Make this simple cognitive shift and your life will always be joyful, no matter what your lifestyle is!
Life is eternal Celebration
(Discourse)
- Dance like the wind
- Sing like the bird
- Float like the cloud
- Shine like the sun
- All of Existence is celebrating Life, why aren't you


Yahoo! Mail
Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

#14701 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:22 pm
Subject: Reality
medit8ionsoc...
 
I found this post on KnifeForums:

Ok did you know that if the 11 dimensions of reality
proposed by string theory are correct....

Every range of choices you have ever made, from turning
left or right in car, to larger and more complex decisions...
it may be true that you make all of those choices but your
sensory reality and perceptive awareness defined within a
given dimension leaves you unable to perceive the "other"
realities that were created by you making the other choices.
You are left, by dimensional design, only being aware of a
single choice, perceiving that single and limited aspect
of awareness as "reality". Because of the dimensional
separation and your inability to perceive beyond those
limits, you find a "reality" only appearing to experience
the repercussions and results of the single choice you made.
Yet some aspect of your larger self is learning from,
suffering from, celebrating, regretting, etc... and
experiencing them all, at once. The other dimensional
realities may even influence future choices, and feelings,
and all the aspects of what you experience within the single
dimension your mind perceives as real, trapped within the
perceptual awareness limited by the structure of the universe.

#14702 From: "texasbg2000" <Bigbobgraham@...>
Date: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:58 am
Subject: Re: Reality
texasbg2000
Send Email Send Email
 
--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, medit8ionsociety
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I found this post on KnifeForums:
>
> Ok did you know that if the 11 dimensions of reality
> proposed by string theory are correct....
>
> Every range of choices you have ever made, from turning
> left or right in car, to larger and more complex decisions...
> it may be true that you make all of those choices but your
> sensory reality and perceptive awareness defined within a
> given dimension leaves you unable to perceive the "other"
> realities that were created by you making the other choices.
> You are left, by dimensional design, only being aware of a
> single choice, perceiving that single and limited aspect
> of awareness as "reality". Because of the dimensional
> separation and your inability to perceive beyond those
> limits, you find a "reality" only appearing to experience
> the repercussions and results of the single choice you made.
> Yet some aspect of your larger self is learning from,
> suffering from, celebrating, regretting, etc... and
> experiencing them all, at once. The other dimensional
> realities may even influence future choices, and feelings,
> and all the aspects of what you experience within the single
> dimension your mind perceives as real, trapped within the
> perceptual awareness limited by the structure of the universe.
>

Hi Bob:

Long time no see.

this message caught my eye because I have a view on this subject.

the idea that choices not made create an alternate reality does not
appeal to me.  The idea of alternate realities does not either.

My view is this, and anyone can feel free to challenge it.

The mental scape and inner thoughts do not constitute reality. In fact
the mental world is exactly why the sages have written about reality,
to get people to stop being caught up in their life as if it were real
rather than a set of beliefs and misconceptions.

for instance:
If I get mad at my neighbor because of a property line dispute and
decide to get my pistol and go settle it texas style by going over and
have a few words that end in a fight, then my mental scape is just that.

that would be my world, full of choices made and not made.

But reality, (Prakriti), would be more like this:
A man (me) grabs a hunk of metal and walks across a portion of land
and fights another man (neighbor).

No reasons or other thoughts in my head exist anywhere else or at any
time other than when I am thinking them.

Love
Bobby G.

Messages 14673 - 14702 of 18639   Oldest  |  < Older  |  Newer >  |  Newest
Add to My Yahoo!      XML What's This?

Copyright © 2010 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines NEW - Help