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#12892 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Sat May 1, 2004 2:54 am
Subject: Heartbeat music calms chimps
medit8ionsoc...
 
Heartbeat music calms chimps

     By Helen Altonn
     haltonn@...

     "Baby Go to Sleep," a recording of heartbeat music, works as well
on rambunctious young chimpanzees as on infants, Joseph Ruszkowski has
found.

     The University of Hawaii-Manoa music professor played Terry
Woodford's recording in a recent pilot study to try to reduce
aggression among young male chimpanzees at Honolulu Zoo.

     The heartbeat music has "proven statistically significant in
helping very, very small infants fall asleep," including his own
15-month-old child, Ruszkowski said.

     The zoo has 10 chimpanzees -- four females and six males, four of
whom are infants or juveniles, he said.

     "Since the males are entering adolescence, they are causing bodily
injury and smashing glass," both of which are costly, he said. One
broke a window that will cost about $50,000 to replace, he said.

     Brainstorming with Arthur Harvey, UH-Manoa music education
coordinator, Ruszkowski said he developed a study for the chimpanzees
similar to one Harvey conducted for cardiac patients.

     But Harvey was able to hook the patients up to monitoring devices,
which he could not do with aggressive male chimpanzees and "keep all
my fingers intact," he said.

     Ruszkowski said he played music about 30 minutes every morning for
a week during the chimpanzees' most aggressive period. He played none
in a trial period the next week.

     He has not finished analyzing preliminary data, involving 75
variables, but his general observation was the music had a calming
effect on the animals within 10 to 15 minutes, he said.

     "They were so relaxed, some chimpanzees were falling asleep. That
is something that never happened before."

     Greg Hamilton, primary chimpanzee keeper, said he is continuing to
play Woodford's heartbeat recording or Harvey's "Hawaiian Music with a
Heartbeat" if he feels the animals are riled up in the morning.

     Videotapes of Disney movies also are popular, particularly with
8-year-old Nalu, he said.

     After the chimps are taken from separate pens and put together in
a group, there "definitely is increased aggression and excitement,"
Hamilton said.

     "It's all about troop dynamics, the socialization of these guys.
We have 8-, 9- and 10- and 13-year-olds. They all have way too much
testosterone. They're aggressive to prove themselves."

     He said 10-year-old Kona Kona broke the window, "just feeling like
he's macho man and needs to prove himself."

     Using music to mitigate the aggression is a "win-win situation,"
he said. "If something happens, great. If it has no effect, we're
still in the same situation."

     Based on preliminary results, Ruszkowski said he probably will do
an expanded study in the summer.

#12893 From: "nicky_kamerer" <toocutecougar@...>
Date: Mon May 3, 2004 6:39 pm
Subject: Hi Im New....
nicky_kamerer
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Well i have just joined. I am thinking this is going to be my last
resort befor i go to a shrink. I have very bad mood swings. It only
happens To the people I love and Cherish the most. I think I am
HIghly stressed out and i have herd that Meditating helps relive
stress and helps you control your self in situations. I want to live
a happy peacefull life instead of an angry one. Can anyone help me
out with tecniques. Has anyone kind of had the same problems as me??
If so did it help at all. Please reply to this post.. I need help and
advise.
Nicky

#12894 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Tue May 4, 2004 12:52 am
Subject: Re: Hi Im New....
medit8ionsoc...
 
--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "nicky_kamerer"
<toocutecougar@c...> wrote:
> Well i have just joined. I am thinking this is going to be my last
> resort befor i go to a shrink. I have very bad mood swings. It only
> happens To the people I love and Cherish the most. I think I am
> HIghly stressed out and i have herd that Meditating helps relive
> stress and helps you control your self in situations. I want to live
> a happy peacefull life instead of an angry one. Can anyone help me
> out with tecniques. Has anyone kind of had the same problems as me??
> If so did it help at all. Please reply to this post.. I need help and
> advise.
> Nicky

Dear Nicky,
As a health care professional (Psych RN), I often laugh when I see
that people consider psychiatrists as a last resort. This is because I
have seen many people who have benefited greatly from seeing a
"shrink". Just as physicians who work with patients with physical
irregularities can be helpful, psychiatrists can often help can those
dealing with emotional and mental problems. This has often been due to
the medications they prescribe. Several meds have been proven to be
able to aid very much with mood swings and similar disorders.  So,
please don't hesitate to consult with your primary doctor and get
their opinion, and if it is to see a "shrink", it may very well be
life-changing for the good if you do so. And in any event, I feel that
there is no better thing that you can do for yourself than learn about
and actually do meditation. Our web site has dozens of techniques with
easy to follow "how to" instructions. I think if you will browse the
Archive section it is likely that you will be drawn to a few, and if
you actually try them, you will probably find one or two, or a few,
that bring you to a state of inner peace, mental clarity, and a
general sense of well-being. The web site is Meditation Station, and
the URL is http://www.meditationsociety.com
And if you have any questions, or want to share your experiences, this
group will be a good place for that. I wish you well.
Peace and blessings,
Bob

#12895 From: "Nina" <murrkis@...>
Date: Tue May 4, 2004 4:29 pm
Subject: Re: Heartbeat music calms chimps
murrkis
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Hi, Bob, that's interesting, and not surprising.
I have very fond early memories of resting my
head on my mother's chest while being carried
in her arms - it was so fabulous to hear her
heartbeat and her joints/body creak and move.
It was even better when she walked - then I
got that lurching sway as well as the warmth
and sounds. It was a sad day when I got too
big to be carried like that!

I had the honor of being present with a girlfriend
during her labor last week. You often hear that the
fetal heart monitor is distracting during labor, but
we both agreed that in the pre-dawn hours, it was so
lovely and relaxing to listen to that rhythm.

I bet there are many 'new age' / relaxation CDs
available that take advantage of heart sounds to create
relaxing soundscapes. One of my favorites is Anugama's
CD Shamanic Dream - but that could be partly due to
having heard it for a year or so in the context of a
yoga class I was taking at the time. Whenever I hear
it, I fall immediately into a more relaxed state.

I think there are probably other sounds that call a
similar relaxation response - such as the sound of
waves on the beach, or water moving along stones.
One of my favorite CDs that combines water, heartbeats,
and natural sounds (and no instrumental or vocal music or
other such unnecessary distractions) is Dolphin Dreams
by an artist whose name I forget. It is uncannily transportive -
I used to use it when I taught yoga at the YWCA and needed a
sound buffer - sometimes, with the echoes in the room, I would
feel literally overwhelmingly 'at the beach'. ;) By the way,
the musician developed it for pregnant and birthing mothers -
specifically his own wife.

Nina

#12896 From: ravin bu <ravinsanu@...>
Date: Thu May 6, 2004 10:14 am
Subject: Re: enjoy
ravinsanu
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Bad Boys

Two brothers, about 8 and 10 years old, were
exceedingly mischievous. Whatever went wrong in the
neighborhood, it usually turned out they had a hand in
it. Their parents were at their wits' end trying to
control them, so hearing about a priest nearby who
worked with delinquent boys, the mother suggested to
the father that they ask the priest to talk with the
boys. The father replied, "Sure, do that before I kill
them!"

The mother went to the priest and made her request. He
agreed, but said he wanted to see the younger boy
first and alone. So the mother sent him to the priest.
The priest sat the boy down across a huge, impressive
desk he sat behind. For about five minutes they just
sat and stared at each other. Finally, the priest
pointed his forefinger at the boy and asked, "Where is
God?"

The boy looked under the desk, in the corners of the
room, all around, but said nothing.

Again, louder, the priest pointed at the boy and
asked, "Where is God?" Again the boy looked all around
but said nothing. A third time, in a louder, firmer
voice, the priest leaned far across the desk and put
his forefinger almost to the boy's nose, and asked,
"Where is God?"

The boy panicked and ran all the way home. Finding his
older brother, he dragged him upstairs to their room
and into the closet, where they usually plotted their
mischief. He finally said, "We are in BIIIIG trouble."
The older boy asked, "What do you mean, BIIIIG
trouble?" His brother replied, "God is missing and
they think we did it!"






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#12897 From: "Aloke mukerjee" <Maloke@...>
Date: Thu May 6, 2004 3:20 pm
Subject: RE: [Meditation Society of America] Hi Im New....
alokemukerjee
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I can tell you that there is a clear way out of what you are going through
and that you may well find it here. It took me a long long time to get it.
But it works. All the best.

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#12898 From: "angelicspirit2000" <counselor20011@...>
Date: Thu May 6, 2004 4:26 pm
Subject: Re: Hi Im New....
angelicspiri...
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Hi Nicky,
From Past experience you will find the peace you seek.  It does not
just happen.  We are each capable of meditating and finding balance
that alleviates stress.  We hear how to get stress and unhappiness
out of our lives by simplifying.  Do not get entangled in the
material, the spiritual is so much more rewarding.  If I can do
this, you can!
TW

#12899 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Sat May 8, 2004 4:20 am
Subject: The no kidding truly Better Meditation Bench
medit8ionsoc...
 
From an email we received:

The no kidding truly Better Meditation Bench

To those that Meditate, there is only one Better Bench.

It adjusts three ways: Height, Pitch and Firmness, for far less strain
on legs and ankles.

Come learn more at http://2feetunder.com

We look forward to your visit.

The Better Bench
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#12900 From: "Nina" <murrkis@...>
Date: Sat May 8, 2004 12:22 pm
Subject: more on sitting Re: The no kidding truly Better Meditation Bench
murrkis
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Or, sit in Virasana on a yoga block.
Supplement with folded blankets under the shins
(to relieve pressure on ankles/feet)
and/or bottom (and not thighs - this to relieve
pressure in the knees) to find a comfortable,
spine-supporting sitting position.
http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/490_1.cfm

Sitting with the knees below the hips
is a general 'rule' required before the
hips can release and the spine can be
supported in a neutral position from the
hips. When you sit with your knees at
hip-height or higher, the muscle connecting
the (raised) thighbone to the (straining)
spine must work (this is the psoas). However,
when you support the legs from below and
sit with knees lower than hips, that muscle
can release. Partly this is due to positioning
the body so that this muscle need not work,
but also, the nervous system will not relax
as long as some limb is hanging out in
'mid-air'. Support the limb from below and
the nervous system relaxes. Ah-ha! Less
interfering noise from the body during your
meditation. One more obstacle removed...

Believe it or not, even those who sit
cross-legged with knees high above their
hip sockets can use bolsters and blankets
to support their legs and hips and sit
with crossed-legs during meditation with
little physical discomfort. Use one or
more bolsters under your bottom and thigh
bones and supplement as necessary with
folded blankets. Cross your ankles so
that either the foot of the opposite leg
supports the shin bone, or some other
prop supports your shin and/or knee.
Pull the flesh of your bottom back so
your sitbones evenly meet the prop
beneath you. Your spine should lift
easily into a neutral position with
no strain in your hips. If you feel
strain in your shouldersockets, place
a bolster in your lap and rest your
hands on the bolster.

Nina

#12901 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Mon May 10, 2004 1:22 am
Subject: A Little Meditation Advice
medit8ionsoc...
 
Let your body do the work of the physical activities of your life. As
physical responses are needed, let them not be misappropriated or
weakened by unneeded emotional and/or mental activity. Similarly, when
you have to use your mind, don't let your body or emotions interfere.
And when your emotions are appropriate, keep your mental and physical
gyrations stilled. This is real Self-control. How to do this? Witness
your life as it takes place. Be empty with attention. And let "Thy
will be done" be done...without your judgements, comparisons, or
comments. Mind chatter is always accompanied by insecurity, fear, and
unreality, and makes living your life as it takes place an
impossibility. Meditation is a fine training ground that changes your
inner iron into steel. And sooner, later, or immediately, you will be
strong and gentle enough to allow your life to proceed with the
stillness that allows you to stop and smell the roses and actually
smell the roses.

#12902 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Fri May 14, 2004 2:19 am
Subject: How to Have 100% Good Karma
medit8ionsoc...
 
Be selfless, compassionate, and humble.

#12903 From: ravin bu <ravinsanu@...>
Date: Fri May 14, 2004 7:54 am
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] How to Have 100% Good Karma
ravinsanu
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How to remove the self in order to be selfless?
What a challenge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ravin

--- medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Be selfless, compassionate, and humble.
>
>


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#12904 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Fri May 14, 2004 11:42 am
Subject: Re: How to Have 100% Good Karma
medit8ionsoc...
 
--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, ravin bu
<ravinsanu@y...> wrote:
> How to remove the self in order to be selfless?
> What a challenge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ravin

Yes, very good point. After all, our default setting right from the
factory is "self"-less :-)

> --- medit8ionsociety <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > Be selfless, compassionate, and humble.
> >
> >
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#12905 From: sandeep <sandeepc@...>
Date: Fri May 14, 2004 11:18 am
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] How to Have 100% Good Karma
sandeep1960
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See, right now in this moment, there is nothing to be removed and no one to be anything.
 
Right now in this very moment.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "ravin bu" <ravinsanu@...>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] How to Have 100% Good Karma

> How to remove the self in order to be selfless?
> What a challenge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ravin
>
> --- medit8ionsociety <
no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > Be selfless, compassionate, and humble.

#12906 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Fri May 14, 2004 10:05 pm
Subject: Like the Self, All is Illusion
medit8ionsoc...
 
#12907 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Sun May 16, 2004 1:54 pm
Subject: What to Seek
medit8ionsoc...
 
Fro the Weekly Words of Wisdom
of H.H. Sri Gurudev Swami Satchidananda

  "The message of all the great religions is to feel that Divine within
which is peace and joy. Didn't the Bible say, 'Blessed are the pure in
heart. They shall see God'? It is the same message that is found in
almost all the scriptures. The Bhagavad Gita says, 'Samatwam Yoga
ucchyate' which means 'Equanimity is Yoga.' The sage Patanjali says,
'Yogaha chitta vritti nirodaha' or 'Yoga is the cessation of all the
mental impressions.' Once you could accomplish that you would remain
in your own true nature.

What else do we need? If we have the inner peace and joy we have
everything. If we do not have that, even though we have all the things
of the world, we have nothing. You will not even know how to use those
things.

So let us seek that inner peace, inner joy, first."

God bless you. Om Shanthi, Shanthi, Shanthi

www.swamisatchidananda.org

#12908 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Sun May 16, 2004 5:50 pm
Subject: Your body may be absent but the love will always be present
medit8ionsoc...
 
Yesterday afternoon, Bob Eck passed away. He was one of the most
dynamic, influential, and enlightened members of the Meditation
Society of America. Working behind the scenes, he was the initial
editor of The Inner Traveler, and created the beautiful grafics and
did the sound production on our Guided Meditation CD. He also created
our "Universe" logo. Virtually every article on our web site and
everything we taught in our classes was run by him, and his input was
greatly respected and cherished. Aside from all the presents he gifted
the Society with, his greatest gifts to all who knew him were his
moment to moment actions. They were clear demonstrations of how to be
a loving husband, father, grandfather, brother, and humane human.
Bob's body was 51.
Peace and blessings,
Bob Rose, President,
Meditation Society of America

#12909 From: "tom flou" <tom@...>
Date: Sun May 16, 2004 8:25 pm
Subject: How to Have 100% Good Karma
tom_flou
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So question arises:

With which organ is this 'seeing' to be done?

Probably not with the eyes or other senses.

With the minds eye?

- The mind has invented this non existing 'one'.

Can the mind be trusted in this 'seeing'?

Isn't the mind the servant of the fictious 'one'?

Tom


< From: sandeep <sandeepc@...>
<Subject: Re: How to Have 100% Good Karma

<See, right now in this moment, there is nothing to be removed and no
one to be anything.

<Right now in this very moment.

#12910 From: sandeep <sandeepc@...>
Date: Mon May 17, 2004 7:06 am
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] How to Have 100% Good Karma
sandeep1960
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----- Original Message -----
From: "tom flou" <tom@...>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 01:55 AM
Subject: [Meditation Society of America] How to Have 100% Good Karma

> So question arises:
>
> With which organ is this 'seeing' to be done?
>
> Probably not with the eyes or other senses.
>
> With the minds eye?
>
> - The mind has invented this non existing 'one'.
>
> Can the mind be trusted in this 'seeing'?
>
> Isn't the mind the servant of the fictious 'one'?
>
> Tom
 
 
 
Hi Tom,
 
Indeed.
Which is why this "seeing" is neither by the organs, the senses or the mind.
 
And given the ususal conotations associated with seeing , instead of seeing, another term (conceptual no doubt) is used,  which is apperceiving.
 
Which points to a perceiving WITHOUT a perceiver thereof.
 
 

 

#12911 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Tue May 18, 2004 3:02 am
Subject: Letters, we get letters, lots and lots of letters
medit8ionsoc...
 
Second Attention

Besides the attention of everyday there is another attention which
allows us a break. For further information check out
www.freewebs.com/meditation999
I hope you will enjoy the following articles


The Anatomy of the Human Soul

It is very easy to indentify the human soul. It is a luminous cocoon,
in most cases egg-shaped with a point of intense radiance, like a
star, the size of a tennis ball. The former is called the luminous
cocoon and the latter is called the assemblage, or focal, point. These
two make up all of one's reality. The luminous cocoon is the
microcosmos and is made of "samskaras" or reality inprints. The focal
point is the star through which we perceive reality. Through trance
meditation one can shift one's awareness into the focal point thus
perceiving reality as it is, the projection resulting from the
allignment of emanations of the luminous cocoon. The luminous cocoon
is made of strings of intense luminosity but by the time we grow up
the strings loose their luminosity or they brake into pieces or
otherwise get intermingled with the strings of other beings thus
loosing their initial power. However o ne can restore the luminosity
of the "strings of destiny" by remembering, further by reliving in
one's mind, one's whole life. That is called recapitulation, or
recapping, and it is the one single and best way to regain one's
birthright and to become aware of one's original identity. "Know thyself".

In the case of an average man the focal point is fixed at the surface
of the cocoon about one foot behind the shoulder blades. That is the
current position of the assemblage point in modern man, according to
the shaman Don Juan Matus. While we sleep, after a traumatic
experience, when we feel love, or through the use of certain plants
and substances one can move, rotate, or shift the focal point to
different positions within the luminous cocoon and experience altered
states of reality.

The human being, if properly trained, has the ability to experience
much more than SHe ussually would do. In the strings, or samskaras,
are encoded whole realities and destinies and all one has to do is
trace the focal point along these strings. We can choose our destiny
by choosing to move our assemblage point harmoniously along certain
positive inprints. Some strings of destiny hold enormous glory while
others lead to misery. When one feels love, hatred, sadness or joy, or
for that purpose any experience one has, is due to the position of the
focal point.

As such the human body is not aware of its luminosity and posseses no
soul, although through initiation it can produce this energy which is
pure awareness one with and equal, flowing, through everything. The
human soul is born through an experience of light. The color of the
light produces the quality of the soul. Thus the smoky light turns one
into a hell-being while the clear white light alligns one with the
nature of the one god. For further information on the significance of
light and its inpact on one's karma and state of being I would like to
recommend to you The Tibetan Book of the Dead.

Mankind can and must become initiated into the mysteries of the human
soul. Mystery is "the knowledge of death". The Toltec warriors
believed that only through a death one can change, thus they buried
themselves alive at certain spots of power in order to achieve a death
like state and thus obtain knowledge of the mysteries hidden from
everyday perception. They would lie for hours, even days, motionless
while others would attend to them and absorb the spirit of the earth
in order to be able to move their assemblage point harmoniously. The
Toltec tradition is not the only one that holds the belief that an
experience of death is neccessary in order to be able to appreciate
life to the fullest. According to Tantric belief one is to meditate at
graves or on corpses in order to loose one's fear from dying and
integrate it into one's perspective on the world. There is life that
is like the shadow of death and there is death that is like the light
of life. We have the chance to be free.

The great thing about the movement of the focal point is that it
produces energy and that energy makes us perceive reality as light.
Mankind will not be free until the moment we learn to move our focal
point and reap the power resulting from its displacement. The process
of moving the focal point is termed "dreaming" while fixing the
assemblage point at a certain position is called stalking. Each
person's luminous cocoon is different and thus each person's
perspective upon reality is different. Through the practice of
dreaming we can change our perspective upon the universe and through
stalking we can learn to emphatise with others. Our reality is only
one of many realities available to us and it is a pitty that we as a
collective are not willing to dedicate enough time to the attunement
to the other reality. Would it not be great to be like a fire, or an
animal, or to be able to feel love when ever one chooses. The
Knowledge of the assemblage point and the luminous cocoon can provide
us with that knowledge. All we have to do is turn on, tune in and
drop, loose and find ourselves..

So, what is neccessary in order to move one's focal point? According
to the science of Kundalini Yoga one is supposed to dedicate one tenth
of one's day to god. God can and in fact does move our focal points if
we dedicate our emotions to the Spirit of Man. Everybody is encouraged
to make a donation into the spirit of man, be it by giving money to
those in need, by showing one's appreciation of others, by expanding
one's mind or by doing relaxation. The technique of relaxation can be
found in Astral Dynamics, Cry of the Eagle or www.astralpulse.com.
Daily practice is very important. Thus I recomend that one do
relaxation, New Energy Ways and sitting meditation every day. When one
has integrated this dharma into daily living one will become aware of
the assemblage point and will be able to feel and see it moving while
dreaming or in a trance state and all one has to do is to stimulate
the chakras after such an event and one will become light. Fail not to
follow these instruction and within 3-15 years you will become an
enlightened warrior of the spirit and a blessing unto the whole world.

Life, Libery, Love and Light. Abrahadabra.

The Enlightenments of Brother Rigs Gyi Bu

"Less is more, as none is All" and "the first is last"

"This is the story all about how, my life got twist-turned upside down..."

"I see a darkness, and the seven Atl'aman, and there was light"
The first vision of enlightenment came to me one morning after
tripping the whole night on LSD. I was 16 then. I came into my room
and closed the door. I had a beutiful plant and as was laying in my
bed unable to sleep I gazed at the plant. I could see the plant
breathe and move slowly as if it wanted to say, "How are you man, I
want to be your friend." After half an hour of gazing at the plant I
had a vision of a tunnel and I broke free from it. Then I perceived
myself merging with the plant and had a further vision of myself
sitting cross-legged on asphalt, my head resting in my hands with the
elbows at the knees. I was surrounded by clear white light. My
perception moved a few times from being in bed to being in the light
and then I finally fell asleep with the thought that "I will become
enlightened" in my mind.

The time passed slowly and I was becomming ever more proficient in
skateboarding. Skateboarding was my "Path with Heart". In the
meanwhile my twin brother became famous as fighter for Justice allways
fighting the German Nazis and eventually he was elected the president
of his school. He was the first foreigner in Bavaria to be elected the
president of a school. For me there was only skateboarding and drugs,
I did not drink alcohole. Weed, speed, LSD and/or bad MDMA was what I
was taking every weekend. I was degrading in school and was unhappy
about that. However I got a second chance to start with my life all
over again.

That happened when I moved to Toronto at the age of 17. It was when I
was 18 that I ate magic mushrooms for the first time. First time
around I took 1.5 gramm of the Flesh of God with a friend and we took
a walk. Although I took only a little it nevertheless had an effect on
me. We sat down and I decided to do psychedelic meditation( trying to
hear the sound of the universe) with success.

The second, third and fourth mushroom trip I experienced surges of
kundalini comming from my crown chakra and base chakra, meeting at the
heart chakra. It was as though the whole universe flowed through me.
Then I fell in love. When I talked to the girl I reached my dreaming
body, which melted, and could perceive myself being at two places at
the same time. That had the effect on me that I forgot how to walk
properly. Later I experienced about 30 different ways of walking
during the time I did a lot of walking meditatation. Love is good for
it produces chi.

Then after three months of being soaked in love there came the
glorious event. It was New Year's Eve 2001 and I was a little tired.
We were seven friends tripping on magic mushrooms and pot. I sat down
to meditate and then:

- I moved my assemblage point from the heart chakra into the head
(Path: High Priestess) and died instanteneously

- I laid down on my beck and experienced the symptoms of death fire
sinking into water three times(when you become as hot as a sun and as
cold as outer space)

- I could perceive a bubble bursting and there was smoke. Then I
became darkness and my soul ascended seven planes each bringing more
pressure.

- Under that pressure the darkness became boundless void.

- By now I totally lost track of reality. I was so relaxed when all of
a sudden the void started emanating clear white light which became
progressively denser until it became as dense as cement. In that light
I beheld the four Archangels standing over me.

I awoke to the music of Peter Tosh.

This was the description of my first enlightenment.

When I smoked pot I would turn into a cocoon made of sand and water
and I could see the essence flowing through everything that is.

After three months of such bliss I ejected my soul (BA) in an extatic
outburst and one morning after awakening I was illuminated with a
golden light and I could hear the angels sing. That was my second
enlightenment.

Then I admitted myself into a mental institution where I met Witches,
Vampires and a Hell Being who utterly destroyed me. I traded my chi
for my life and died once again but survived because of the vision of
the clear white light. As until now I was the first, all of a sudden I
became the last. I knew hell on earth and unbearable suffering.

The suffering lasted for one and a half years until I gained the
vision of God and he put my soul back into my body. I'd been
experiencing psychic attacks (stabbing sensation in my heart) for two
years until i discovered the book How to Meet and Work with Spirit
Guides and invoked the archangels. The weirdest attack was the
sensation of the head of my penis being sliced in two. The sensation
was real but there luckily was no blood.

I was psychotic and the medication made the psychosis only worse.
However I was initiated into the Egyptian Mysteries by Brian the Brain
about whom I'm going to talk about in "The Vispering of the Dragon".

The average man does not have to care about evil and powerful people
but if he meets them he would die.



The processs of initiation is fourfold: first comes life accompanied
by fear, then once one has domonstrated mastery over life comes
liberty and with it everything seems clear. After that comes love
producing enormous power for good or evil. This is the lesser
initiation. In it one recognizes 3 of the four Natural Enemies
(Toltec) and the rewards when overcome. Anybody who is not subject to
the three hindrances(The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean)-
these being lack of will to obtain knowledge, attachment to evil,
detachment from God- can enjoy this initiation. By overcoming power we
can gain in our light, it being a sign that a higher force is reading
one's mind, but we have to overcome one more additional natural enemy-
Old Age. In order to experience an illumination one has to do
exercizes which ask for a lot of patience.

This is "The Path to the Wisdom" being the battle with the four
natural enemies- fear, clarity, power and old age. One can not escape
them but is given the right to make a stand, love his enemies, and be
free by claiming "The Totality of Oneself". Let us look closer at
these four natural enemies and how they affected the writer's life.

The first natural enemy is fear. The writer of this script has known
fear. When he moved to another country to a big city he took a break
from Marijuana and after two months smoked a spliff and it made him
paranoid but also compassionate. What was he afraid of; was it the
wind or the gangster rapper with whom he smokmed it. However he knew
that if he was afraid, he was alive.

Then he saw the "princes" and they became partners. He kissed her and
she kissed him and everything seemed clear. His favorite cite was, "
If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to
man as it is, infinite" by William Blake taken from the essay The
Doors of Perception. Although he was fond of his girl-friend he could
not lie to her that he loved her and she rejected him but Clarity stayed.

Then once fear was overcome and clarity in its full bloom he fell in
love with a girl. It was love on the first sight and it was mutual.
However he made a mistake and she rejected him. He did not have the
power to love so much and still function properly in this world.
However he had made a firm decision to become enlightened once he
experienced the grace of herb and power, the third natural enemy,
showed it friendly face. What were the options: he could win the heart
of his beloved or he could die. He loved a lot and experienced both
the lesser and the higher initiation through love. One evening he
patook in the sacrament of the Flesh Of God and died, became
enlightened and was reborn a Child Of Light. The next two months were
spent in grace and then one morning he became illuminated with a
golden light and his soul left him to do its work as a shaman. He now
could perceive the luminous cocoon everytime he partook in a joint.
Every time he smoked the herb he could feel as if he were in an egg
that was like sand and through it flowed water. These were the
Christian Sands- rediscovered by Tricky. That state was extremely
blissfull but exhausting, the Trance of Weakness. This is the fourth
natural enemy, old age. Now although he was only 19 he could say that
he was an old man. Old Age dominated him for two more years when he
found out about how to invoke the Archangels through the book How to
Meet and Work with Spirit Guides.

Now he truly is alive, free, loving and enlightened having emerged
from the battle with the four natural enemies All-Victorious, a Budha

Let Ja be praised



The Vispering of the Dragon

The circumstances surrounding my third admission were dark to say the
least. Although I saw a deva, met Mr. Mo and regained my soul thus
diminishing my sufferring threefold that glory belonged to the past. I
still was infested with negative energy All I wanted is to be left
alone. I was sick of the world. I felt almost whole but the divine
energy of water which I received on two occassions, once from Michael
and once from Crystal, had left me and turned to Tao. It was while
doing relaxation that I felt my aura expanding with the given energy.
What seemed only possible with Mr. Mo was for some time reality. It
was at a party of one of the friends of my brother that the divine
energy was set free from my body and I was complemented on how I had
"energy".

Afterwards I didn't feel so good, in fact I felt like I was dying. So
I locked myself in a room with a knife and shouted, " I'm gonna stab
anybody who enters the room." So my father suggested that I get
admitted into the mental institution again since I seemed so
disturbed. He said to me, "Come on, you're going to see your friends".
So he drove me to the hospital and in the admission room I saw three
ugly women and a voice told me, " You've come to the devil." I grabbed
the first occassion to run away but the nurse ran after me and caught
up with me half a kilometer away when I could no longer run. If you
want to be free, don't smoke cigarettes.

So I got admitted to the hospital a third time. I had heard a voice
clearly say that if I took my medication I would turn out evil and now
that I had come to the devil. This made me decide to spit out my
medication. I wanted to find out what would happen. Suffice it to say
that first I cried for a few days contamplating my own faith and the
faith of others. Luckily in the neighboring room there was Brian, The
Brain. Brian was a man in his mid 30s with short black hair, a
charismatic face and by far the worst teeth I have ever seen.

There were two Brians there, one whom I met the first time i went into
the hospital and the Brian who was a shaman. At first I noticed
nothing extraordinary about him, except that he seemed to have a
disliking for me and the others. He also had hardly any cigarettes and
would come into the smoking lounge and ask, " Do you have a
cigarette?" and when he asked me he would add, "per chance". So I gave
him cigarettes expecting nothing in return. But then he said, "I'm
Taurus, the Brain".

One night, however, I got my reward. I was laying on the back and just
about to fall asleep when all of a sudden I felt how my base chakra
exploded into thousand pieces and I felt as if I were being ripped
apart, so I shrieked an, "Aaahhh!" and then the exctasy stopped. I was
being ripped apart like Dionisius. That was the wake up call and I
celebrated it with a round of megical passes. The next three days I
did not sleep but nevertheless I felt fit.

The next evening while I was in bed I heard a voice ask me clearly,
"Are we ready?" Ready for what. Then I assumed the face of Brian and
then I could perceive clairvoyantly what was going on in the other
room. Brian was sitting crosslegged on the bed when all of a sudden he
veiled himself in darkness and from that darkness came void which
penetrated every fiber of my body.

Next morning at breakfast while all the patients were lined up to
receive their breakfast I asked Brian if he was a human or a star. In
his deep voice he answered, "A Star." When he said that I was overcome
with a mood of great joy and giggled in a silly manner. It seemed that
my joy was accumulated in the heart chakra and I projected that
feeling right into him. He answered, "No reason to be silly." Mr Mo
was right, I was the luckiest person in the world. Brian demonstrated
his shapeshifting skills on further occassions, assumming the form of
a rooster and on three other occassions he floated above the bed and
turned into a dragon. I had asked him to "Lore" me, meaning to imbdue
me with the spirit of the Dragon Lore, and he answered, "Not to worry
about, I am Lore". All I asked of him was to move my assemblage point
to the position of silent knowledge and to give the warrior's mood.
For the ne xt half a year I was a warrior.

The days at the Hospital were spent in a mood of cameradery and I
thought that pretty much every person who was there was either a
warrior or some magus. There was Sandra, the witch who had equally bad
teeth as Brian and who claimed to be hundreds of years old and badly
demaged. There was Jamie who was maybe 25 and I liked him immensely.
Then there were Daevon who told me I were a Ra Hoor Khuit and a hindu
guy and a long-haired, bearded young man who seemed to be a magician.
There also were three beutiful women in their thirties and I felt love
for each one of them. It seemed to me that I had come to glory. Those
days I did a lot of piano playing and relaxation.

One day I was walking past Brian, while he was on the phone and I
heard him say, "Yeah, it is the warrior of Thebes". Then he hung up
went into the smoking room and announced to me that Ramses was comming.

I reacted with panic. I went outside and spontaneously decided to
visit my friend Bobo. I took an 8-kilometer walk. On my way to him I
met an old man, who despite his advanced years seemed fit, and had a
nice conversation with him. I heard the voice of Brian say, "You are
with us". After I had walked 6 km I heard a voice tell me, "Tell her
that you are a dragon, a real one." Then I met Andrea, my friend, on
an intersection and she was joyous. I could feel her joy and the
energy which it produced. She reacted the same way to me as I had
reacted to Brian. This little adventure cost me my privileges and I
could not leave the hospital except with family.

Ramses was a ugly woman but she gave me a magical ption.

Then I was transfered to another ward. There I met Mathew who gave me
his chi and thus healed me. There was also Tasha with whom I found
onement in bliss. I had a dream in which I perceived rainbow colored
light for three hours. Then I drank more of Ramses' potion and when
after three three months I smoked weed again I turned into a tiger for
a moment. Then on the third day of the annual Om Festival(I did not
attend) I became one with the clear white light. I was back.

#12912 From: "tom flou" <tom@...>
Date: Tue May 18, 2004 12:33 pm
Subject: How to Have 100% Good Karma
tom_flou
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Thanks, Sandeep. Yes, but....
Now, I apperceive that this opening is the start of
a never ending journey leading nowhere. But..
If you would bare with me for just a few more rounds ;-)
I suggest that the process of apperception needs
some kind of neural activity ?
The neurons involved in / necessary for this could
be called a nervous structure.
Presumably this structure would be located
inside the Dura Mater.
But not of the mind? - ok.  But pray of what then?
The organ of enlightenment?
Known to science?
Or situated just underneath The Organ Of Kundabuffer (Gurdjeff)
Does this matter?   Well, satisfying the mind for a spell!


Is One Taste the smell of apperception?


Thanks. Tom



>Hi Tom,

>Indeed.
>Which is why this "seeing" is neither by the organs, the senses or
the mind.

>And given the ususal conotations associated with seeing , instead of
seeing, another term (conceptual no >doubt) is used,  which is
apperceiving.

>Which points to a perceiving WITHOUT a perceiver thereof.

#12913 From: medit8ionsociety
Date: Tue May 18, 2004 3:44 pm
Subject: The Tao of Microsoft
medit8ionsoc...
 
From Rusty M, our favorite Canadian wise man:

If Gates learned haiku we might get these error messages.
-
Three things are certain:
Death, taxes, and lost data.
Guess which has occurred.
-
The Tao that is seen
Is not the true Tao, until
You bring fresh toner.
-
A file that big?
It might be very useful.
But now it is gone.
-
The Web site you seek
cannot be located but
endless others exist
-
Chaos reigns within.
Reflect, repent, and reboot.
Order shall return.
-
Aborted effort:
Close all that you have.
You ask way too much.
-
First snow, then silence.
This thousand dollar screen dies
so beautifully.
-
With searching comes loss
and the presence of absence:
"My Novel" not found.
-
Windows NT crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams.
-
Stay the patient course
Of little worth is your ire
The network is down.
-
A crash reduces
your expensive computer
to a simple stone.
-
Yesterday it worked
Today it is not working
Windows is like that.
-
You step in the stream,
but the water has moved on.
This page is not here.
-
Out of memory.
We wish to hold the whole sky,
But we never will.
-
Having been erased,
The document you're seeking
Must now be retyped.
-
Serious error.
All shortcuts have disappeared.
Screen. Mind. Both are empty.

#12914 From: sandeep <sandeepc@...>
Date: Wed May 19, 2004 3:36 am
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America] How to Have 100% Good Karma
sandeep1960
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Hiya Tom,
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom flou" <tom@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:03 PM
Subject: [Meditation Society of America] How to Have 100% Good Karma

> Thanks, Sandeep. Yes, but....
 
 
The famous "but..........:-)

> Now, I apperceive that this opening is the start of
> a never ending journey leading nowhere. But..
> If you would bare with me for just a few more rounds ;-)
 
 
No problems.
We have eternity to play in.
What's couple of rounds?:-)
 

> I suggest that the process of apperception needs some kind of neural activity ?
> The neurons involved in / necessary for this could be called a nervous structure.
> Presumably this structure would be located inside the Dura Mater.
 
No, it's nothing to do with the biological/neural architecture of the manifest conditioned sentient object.
Yes, there might be significant re-wiring in the architecture, subsequently.
Which again is not a rule etched in stone.
  
 

> But not of the mind? - ok.  But pray of what then?
> The organ of enlightenment?
> Known to science?
> Or situated just underneath The Organ Of Kundabuffer (Gurdjeff)
> Does this matter?   Well, satisfying the mind for a spell!
 
 
It's perfectly natural, to wonder which organ or which tool is in usage, for the mind has seen all experiences involve some such instrument.
And believes that the primal laughter (to use a term) is also an experience in time.
 
But that which is priori to any experience, cannot be experienced, realized, understood, qualified, defined, objectified or awakened to.
(Even this statement, being a subtle in-direct qualification, is be seen for what it points, rather than per se)
 
 
That is why the mystery, the wonder of awakening, .............the awakening of that which was never alseep, and that put to rest which never was.
 
It's like one of the dreamed-up character in your last night sleep dream, Tom.
 
That dude speculated, wondered, about the shape of your nose, underwent severe spiritual investigation, practized zazen till it's ass was blue, ..........
 
......it even had these profound experiences of Samadhi,.....
 
........where your nose was so clear and distinct and it was royal purple in color, it had the quality of SatChitAnand around it, etc etc.
 
That dreamed-up character of your last night dream can never touch your nose, no matter what it gets into.
 
For only you can touch your nose and check if it is still around, ................AND......... which will entail you to wake up to the dream,.... in the morning.
 
You waking in the morning is the end of the ado of the entire dream-drama, (along with all the dreamed-up loved ones and the unloved ones).
 
 
Even the firm belief of that dreamed-up character of your last night dream,....
 
... in the very existence of the Dreamer of the dream (you), ........
 
..............which then drives it to attempt to realize, understand, obtain, seek,.............. you,............... is a conceptual conjecturing by it.
 
Conceptual conjecturings, aka imagination,........ is very powerful.
 
It creates what is conjectured.
 
The "conjecturings" and the appearing so real "conjected",..................all ,..........ados within the dream-drama of last night.
 
It is thus, the suggestion that nothing of the architecture of that dreamed-up manifest object, can ever be involved in your sipping from a hot cup of tea,......... awake in the morning.
 
 

 
>
> Is One Taste the smell of apperception?
 
 
I wonder whether the shape of your nose is Grecian or Mongolian?
 
It HAS to be Grecian, for whoever heard of a Mongolian dreamer.
 
NO, I have had an astral projection where I clearly saw it was Pinocchio-sque.
 
NO
 
YES
 
Jihad on you, by the beard of Allah
 
Yeah??, well I am sending Stealth Bombers carrying Patriot missiles, blessed by Virgin Mary , to shove them up yours' and up your bearded Allah.
 
Yeah? after I have finished with you, your Virgin Mary is not going to remain much of a virgin.
 
Yeah?
 
Yeah.
 
HAH
 
HOH 

 
>
> Thanks. Tom
You are welcome.
 
 

#12915 From: "J Cousin" <jcousin@...>
Date: Thu May 20, 2004 3:24 am
Subject: Recommended books on meditation
spiritualkno...
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Recommended books on meditation

There are 3 new books posted on www.imicourses.com/books by Swami Shyam
that I think all meditators would be interested in. His whole teachings
are based on meditation.

1.  Research Findings in the Field of Consciousness (page 4)
2.  Meet Your True Self through Meditation (page 1)
3.  Shyam's Philosophy (page 4)
4.  Nine Lessons (page 3)

Have a look and bliss out!

Om Shanti,

Julie

#12916 From: "tom flou" <tom@...>
Date: Thu May 20, 2004 10:17 am
Subject: (No subject)
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Thanks, Bud.
Just one last, personal but..;-)
Is there anything "more real" in this dream to hold on to?
The fact that I manifested you in my dream,
and are typing these profound questions ;-))
Is that more significant than say I manifested the Pope?
Or is it just something that I can dream-boast about
in my imagination of beeing well on my way up the mountain?

As in the modern cinema-version of the
Plato cave analogy: Is there to be found a faint
row of lights in the floor, leading to the exit?

Appreciative.
Tom

#12917 From: sandeep <sandeepc@...>
Date: Thu May 20, 2004 1:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Meditation Society of America]
sandeep1960
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----- Original Message -----
From: "tom flou" <tom@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:47 PM
Subject: [Meditation Society of America]

> Thanks, Bud.
> Just one last, personal but..;-)
> Is there anything "more real" in this dream to hold on to?
 
 
The very premise that there are degrees to the reality of the dream, is a facet of the dream.
 

> The fact that I manifested you in my dream,
> and are typing these profound questions ;-))
> Is that more significant than say I manifested the Pope?
 
Not a whit of difference in the significance between the two.:-)
 
 

> Or is it just something that I can dream-boast about
> in my imagination of beeing well on my way up the mountain?
 
Sure.
 
Do whatever you are moved to, knowing that whatever comes to pass in the moment would only, if it is meant to in that moment.
 
Knowing that the body-mind biological organism labeled "Tom" as a dreamed up character,..... does not ..............live.
 
It never has.
 
It has always been........................lived.
 
Exactly, as living has happened, .............is happening,........ in the moment.
 
Moment to moment to moment.
 
And you, .........................that you truly are, .................is what enables the living to take place.
 
Not just in regard to the character labeled "Tom", but for each and every manifestation of the dream, both sentient and non-sentient.
 
For each and every nuance of the dream-sequence.
 
A dream-sequence,..............which itself contains infinite "dreaming points", .....
 
........further through which,..... infinite dreams are in turn being manifested moment to moment to moment,.......
 
......each of these, secondary, tertiary dreams,......... each distinct, each unique.
 
 
And that is why all dreams, ...............are nothing but facets of your dream. 
 
 
 
 
Say you are standing in the middle of a hall of billion mirrors, trillion mirrors.
 
Each of the mirrors are curved slightly differently,..... such that each of the mirror has a different and unique image of you.
 
Let's say you blew some pixie powder all over.
 
And Boooooooom, ........
 
......each of the images starts to cognize,......... the other images.
 
Not only cognizes the "other" but each of the images, thinks, believes, assumes, ........that IT is the subject cognizing an "other". 
 
And thus by God, by the respective beards of Vishnu/ Allah/Jehova/Buddha/Jesus........... IT is real.
 
And since IT is real,........all that IT sees, feels, smells, hears, cognizes ,..............is real.
 
Such is the case, condition,............. in each of the billion-trillion images.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
And you start dancing in the middle of the hall,..........Dooobeeee Dooobeeee Doooooooo.
 
 

>
> As in the modern cinema-version of the
> Plato cave analogy: Is there to be found a faint
> row of lights in the floor, leading to the exit?
 
 
Waking to the dream, is not a path to be walked towards an exit.
 
For such a walking on a path, any path,.............. is in duration, is in time.
 
Which is again facets of the same hoopla.
 
Which does not mean that such paths pointing to some such exits and rushing and pushing and shoving along such paths,...........do not occur within some dream sequences.
 
Anything that you can imagine, will sooner or later make an entry in your dream.
Anything.
Including Enlightenment accompanied with Archangel Gabriel playing the dumroo.
 
 
 
 
 
 
And thus back to where we started,........the first response which started this dialogue.
 
See now, in this very moment,..............that no manifestation, no facet of the dream-sequence can ever jump out of the dream.
 
(Did any of your dearly loved ones of the last night sleep-dream, sit next to you and sip from the same hot cup of tea, in the morning?They all had promised eternal love and eternal togetherness to you, last night)
 
  
 
And if that seeing(using a conventional term) has not happened, .........
 
.........happily play about doing whatsoever you are moved to do, meditation or mayhem,...........cheerfully accepting whatever are the resultant consequences of that playing about,
 
..........knowing nothing ever happens, which did not happen.<LOL>
 
 
 
 
 
Invite you to visit and playfully wander about at the Covenant sited at www.the-covenant.net
 
 
 
Dooooobeeee Dooooobeee Dooooooooooooo
 
 
 

#12918 From: "tom flou" <tom@...>
Date: Thu May 20, 2004 4:47 pm
Subject: (No subject)
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LOL :-)))
Thanks again, Sandeep.
It was a pleasure walking with you.

>>Invite you to visit and playfully wander about at the Covenant sited
at www.the-covenant.net

Been there, done that .-)) - Nice place!

>>Dooooobeeee Dooooobeee Dooooooooooooo

Same to you :-)
Tom
Still Laughing.

#12919 From: "tom flou" <tom@...>
Date: Thu May 20, 2004 5:22 pm
Subject: (No subject)
tom_flou
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>>>And thus back to where we started,........the first response which
started this dialogue.
>>>See now, in this very moment,..............that no manifestation,
no facet of the dream-sequence can ever jump out of the dream.

BUT........
How is this Seeing not another facet of the dream-sequence??
Tom
Already back where we started ;-)

#12920 From: "tom flou" <tom@...>
Date: Thu May 20, 2004 8:08 pm
Subject: (No subject)
tom_flou
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Ought to be a comforting thought for all these anxious, worried
people out there.

"Relax, nothing ever happened, that hasn't happened"  J

Tom

#12921 From: "Vladimir Hristov" <meditating@...>
Date: Fri May 21, 2004 3:33 am
Subject: Siddha Yoga
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Hi everyone.

I wonder what is your opinion on Siddha Yoga meditation
and our Guru: Swami Chidvilasananda as I did not find
any posting on that subject.
Is Siddha Yoga meditation unpopular or banned or
something?

Thank you in advance.

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