From: logan

To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:47 PM

Subject: RE: [MedievalSawdust] New Web Site for Chas. Oakley

has anyone made the bed listed on his site?  if so, please let us know of any issues or advancements you came up with.  and, if so, post some pictures.  my camp bed is five years old and is wonderful but is too large to pack for weekend events so it lives in my trailer at pennsic.  i need to make a smaller (take apart) bed for those weekend events.

 

regards

logan

 

 

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared"

Niccolo Machiavelli

www.ebonwoulfe.com

I have access to volume 5 of this series. It is a huge book and
although interesting, I do not think it is of much use in the context
of this group.
Nevertheless, I should try to borrow it, just in order to make a copy
of it (with digital camera, as no normal scanner would be big enough
for the book) because it is very rare.

Jan-Simon


--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, Beth and Bob Matney
<bmatney@...> wrote:
>
> You are most welcome.
>
> Beth
>
> At 09:35 AM 2/28/2008, you wrote:
> >That is incredible information you are making available, thank you
very much!
> >
> >Saeth
>

Each volume of the set is of the same large folio format... including
Vol 4 (Textiles) that was released in 2006. I agree that there
probably is not a lot of Volume 5 of interest to this group. I have
digital images of all except some of the large fold out plates
(skulls) in the back.

If you have access to any of the other volumes, I am missing a few
things from volume 3 that had been torn out and a couple of plates
from Volume 1, that I would really like to get to complete my set.

Beth

At 06:52 AM 2/29/2008, you wrote:
>I have access to volume 5 of this series. It is a huge book and
>although interesting, I do not think it is of much use in the context
>of this group.
>Nevertheless, I should try to borrow it, just in order to make a copy
>of it (with digital camera, as no normal scanner would be big enough
>for the book) because it is very rare.
>
>Jan-Simon
>
>
>--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, Beth and Bob Matney
><bmatney@...> wrote:
> >
> > You are most welcome.
> >
> > Beth
> >
> > At 09:35 AM 2/28/2008, you wrote:
> > >That is incredible information you are making available, thank you
>very much!
> > >
> > >Saeth

I have noticed that if my Gokstad slat bed (based on the Oakley
plans)only makes noise if the tenon pegs are beginning to loosen.
With all the pegs snug, the bed is silent under a variety of dynamic
stresses.  ;)

Yours in Service,
Eirikr Mjoksiglandi
Ashgrove, Barony of Angels, Caid

--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Looper" <jimlooper@...>
wrote:
>
> As a side question to the group as a whole: All wood beds squeak.
I have been considering shaving the tenons down a wee bit and gluing
felt to them as a noise dampener. Has anyone tried this or something
similar? How about leather?
>
> Lucien
>

Okay, it was at Gulf Wars where I ran into the problem; and we know how GW can
be in regards to humidity shifts...

Lucien


----- Original Message -----
From: Lewis Newby <dragon@...>
To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:22:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Re: New Web Site for Chas. Oakley


As for noise, when it is tight none can be heard, at Pennsic I have
to re-tap them periodically because of weather conditions.

The tenons can be real knee knockers though so be sure and round them
off well.


Lewis Newby
Jr.

We have been using a 4 poster which I made nigh unto 10 years ago which has held up admirably.  The four redwood turned wooden posts consist of 3 segments each which friction fit into each other with turned tenon joints and the portions of the posts which accepted the plywood head/foot boards and side rails are thru mortised to allow  tongues to pass through the post and held with wedges in a fashion similar to the osberg beds.  The overall look is of a 15th century 4 poster but I used wedges to hold the elements together.  The bed is a slat bed with most of the slats resting on a cleat inside the rails (one in the center passes through to keep the rails from spreading).  http://www.roguehaven.org/Events/Estrella2005/Estrel22.jpg

This bed is a fusion of Osberg and late 15th century bed and is a compromise to my woodworking skills at the time.  It has stood up remarkable well.. .the only problem is the edge banding used to disguise the plywood has delaminated in a few spots requiring minor repair.  One day (when I get a round tuit) I plan on a much more accurate reproduction of a german 15th camp bed which was my original inspiration. 

Wolfgang

--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <michaelgosline@...> wrote:
>
> Out of all the war beds people have made and used, which designs seem
> to be the sturdiest?
>
> Which holds up to the most use and abuse?
>
> What kinds of woods have you tried?
>
> And has anyone had any "interesting failures" of a bed?
>
> As in, did one ever break on you while you were doing more than just
> sleeping on it!
>
> Mike...
>

In order to afford our SCA hobby we turned our crafting skills to making our hobby pay for itself and selling 1/3rd scale mini marshmallow crossbows earned enough money to buy several large period tents!  http://www.roguehaven.org/Merchanting/XBows/Crossbows.htm does not give you a design, but from the picture its easy enough to work out..

The key was the prods... finding a material that could act like crossbow prod that would work reliably without breaking and was quick and easy to manufacture... I was hunting for materials one day in my ladies sewing room when I knocked over a jar of ladies corset stays... and voila!

You can make a jig to bend an 8" corset stay into a prod shape and use a ground off 10 penney  nail and a strip of brass as a push pin and trigger. I also put a brass spring clip on top to securely hold the ammo..  I used hardwood (poplar) 1 by 2 as the lumber and cut it to shape.. drilled the hole for the pushpin aligned with the notch for the string (See the PDF instructions on that page) The groove for the ammo is routed on a router bench and the prod attached with a screw to the front of the stock.  I jigged everything up for mass production and stained the wood to four different colors for our customers.

After having made literally over a thousand of these bows.. I can safely say NEVER AGAIN!

Wolfgang

--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "leaking pen" <itsatrap@...> wrote:
>
> anyone have plans online anywhere?
>
> --
> That which yields isn't always weak.
>

Hmmm... there are opinions than there are turners.. but as its sound like are a beginner... and don't currently plan to make turning the center of your universe like some of us <sheepish grin> Lets go with simple and practical:

1) Forget about making your own tools, it can be done and most serious turners end up making many tools, but you first need to exerience a good tool before you go about making them I think (after all you want to make feast gear and stuff and don't want to spend time making tools)

2) Good tools are worth the money... cheap lightweight tools from companies like Harbor Freight and others may work OK, but I would advise go for quality over quantity. 

3) By Feast Gear I am assuming that you want to make: Plates, Bowls, Goblets, Salt Cellars, Candle Sticks, etc... With this in mind you need to do a combination of faceplate and spindle turning.

4) Do you have a WoodCraft store in your area?  Look them up, its is always better to put your hands on a tool before making a purchasing decision, and they usually have knowledge folks in their stores. (Employees AND customers) 

4) Tools I would suggest to start with:

• Roughing Gouge: This is the tool that roughs stock down to size... the bigger the better... for your bowls you will be working with rather large stock and its the mass of your roughing gouge that makes all the difference, the heavier the gouge the easier it will be to rough down stock, the tiny gouges the all in one "turning toolkits" give you are a waste of time.
• Spindle Gouge: Fingernail profile gouges are nice in reducing catches.  Use this for detailed spindle work. Alternately you can use a "Skewchigouge" which is a cross between a skew and a gouge (sometimes called a tripoint tool).  This is a great all purpose tool.
• Bowl Gouge: This tool is designed to reach in a remove alot of material  fast from the inside of your bowl... it is important to make this tool as massive as you can afford as well as mass again helps keep you from "catches". 
• End Grain hollowing tool:  These can take many forms, I myself use a Sorby Multi-tip scraper most of the time to hollow with the carbide tip and then shear scrape to a final surface. 

And from a minimalist perspective I would stop right there.  Purists will say you need to use skew, and that everything can be done using a skew (they are right to a degree) but skews require a much higher degree of skill to use correctly and are very unforgiving... I know several people who tried staring with skews and after several terrible catches they were frightened away from turning.

There are some other "tools" which are equally important which are not gouges:

• Sharpening:  I would advise a slow speed grinder with a coarse and fine stone and a "Wolverine Jig", there are many other ways to sharpen your tools, but this approach is fast and relatively foolproof, and without sharp tools, your turning experience will be a torturous one!  How often your will sharpen depends upon alot of factors, but I find that I am sharpening between each piece, and for some woods several times for a single piece.  Having this rig on hand means that sharpening your tools is only a matter of seconds and then you are back to turning.
• Chuck:  Using a good chuck like a "Nova Chuck" or one from "Talon" is ciritical to bowl and end-work like goblets.  You need to be able to remove the tailstock and work into the end-grain for bowls and goblets and plates... and a good chuck cannot be replaced.  I use the Nova Chuck myself and am quite happy with it.  You can get attachments for screw chucking and different sized jaws for this chuck as well.. .so you can upgrade as you learn.

Hope it helps,

Wolfgang
--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Brown" <stickbow@...> wrote:
>
> Simple question, what about lathe tools. Is quality of the tool the utmost
> important or is technique? Also, what about making my own tools, is it like
> a blacksmith in that you just make what works at the time or is there some
> gotta have tools. I am looking at making mostly feast gear type stuff for
> family and friend.
>
>
>
> Domingos
>

well, i was looking for making a chrisptmas present, heh.  but thanks,
ill keep that in mind.

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Peter Valentine
<wolfgang@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In order to afford our SCA hobby we turned our crafting skills to making our
> hobby pay for itself and selling 1/3rd scale mini marshmallow crossbows
> earned enough money to buy several large period tents!
> http://www.roguehaven.org/Merchanting/XBows/Crossbows.htm does not give you
> a design, but from the picture its easy enough to work out..
>
> The key was the prods... finding a material that could act like crossbow
> prod that would work reliably without breaking and was quick and easy to
> manufacture... I was hunting for materials one day in my ladies sewing room
> when I knocked over a jar of ladies corset stays... and voila!
>
> You can make a jig to bend an 8" corset stay into a prod shape and use a
> ground off 10 penney  nail and a strip of brass as a push pin and trigger. I
> also put a brass spring clip on top to securely hold the ammo..  I used
> hardwood (poplar) 1 by 2 as the lumber and cut it to shape.. drilled the
> hole for the pushpin aligned with the notch for the string (See the PDF
> instructions on that page) The groove for the ammo is routed on a router
> bench and the prod attached with a screw to the front of the stock.  I
> jigged everything up for mass production and stained the wood to four
> different colors for our customers.
>
> After having made literally over a thousand of these bows.. I can safely say
> NEVER AGAIN!
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
>
> --- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "leaking pen" <itsatrap@...> wrote:
> >
> > anyone have plans online anywhere?
> >
> > --
> > That which yields isn't always weak.
> >
>



--
That which yields isn't always weak.

There's no narration yet, but I've been experimenting with making a
little video of myself using my hand-powered bow lathe.
http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/Groomporter/video%20experiment/?action=vi\
ew¤t=BowLathe.flv
--
MacGregor Historic Games
http://historicgames.com

Thanks!
The other Chas ;-)

Chas
--
MacGregor Historic Games
http://historicgames.com


--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "James Winkler"
<jrwinkler@...> wrote:
>
> Nice work!!!   I really love the set up pics in front that give a
context to
> the your lathe.   Nice camera work too.  neat way to present the
content.
> Bravo!
>
>
>
> Chas.
>
>
>
> =============================
>
> There's no narration yet, but I've been experimenting with making a
> little video of myself using my hand-powered bow lathe.
>
http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/Groomporter/video%20experiment/?actio
> n=view
>
<http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/Groomporter/video%20experiment/?acti
> on=view¤t=BowLathe.flv> ¤t=BowLathe.flv
> --
> MacGregor Historic Games
>

>
> There's no narration yet, but I've been experimenting with making a
> little video of myself using my hand-powered bow lathe.
>
http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/Groomporter/video%20experiment/?actio
> n=view
>
<http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/Groomporter/video%20experiment/?acti
> on=view&current=BowLathe.flv> &current=BowLathe.flv
> --
> MacGregor Historic Games
>

Very cool video, I am currently working on a bow lathe myself so this
is actually very helpful for me, thank you kindly.

Ademar de Chartres (tentative name ;) changing personas)

Try this link The way yahoo wraps around lonf URLs sometimes breaks
the link, (or you may need update a plug-in on your browser)

http://tinyurl.com/28vr8b

Chas
--
MacGregor Games
http://historicgames.com

--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, Rebekah d'Avignon
<rebekahdavignon@...> wrote:
>
> I clicked on the link....things flash, but no pictures. What's up?
>
> gameresearch <myspace@...> wrote:
> >
> > There's no narration yet, but I've been experimenting with making a
> > little video of myself using my hand-powered bow lathe.
> >
>
http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/Groomporter/video%20experiment/?actio
> > n=view
> >
>
<http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/Groomporter/video%20experiment/?acti
> > on=view¤t=BowLathe.flv> ¤t=BowLathe.flv
> > --
> > MacGregor Historic Games
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   RdA
>   A waist is a terrible thing to mind.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
Try it now.
>

I agree, very well done.  I've wanted to make a lathe to take to
events but I always get caught up in thinking to big and
complicated.  This seems much better, and there's always little
things that could be turned as needed.  You've been a huge
inspiration.

Thank you!

In Service to the Dream,
Eirikr Mjoksiglandi
Ashgrove, barony of Angels, Caid

--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "James Winkler"
<jrwinkler@...> wrote:
>
> Nice work!!!   I really love the set up pics in front that give a
context to
> the your lathe.   Nice camera work too.  neat way to present the
content.
> Bravo!
>
>
>
> Chas.
>
>
>
> =============================
>
> There's no narration yet, but I've been experimenting with making a
> little video of myself using my hand-powered bow lathe.
> http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/Groomporter/video%
20experiment/?actio
> n=view
> <http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/Groomporter/video%
20experiment/?acti
> on=view¤t=BowLathe.flv> ¤t=BowLathe.flv
> --
> MacGregor Historic Games
>

I agree, very well done. I've wanted to make a lathe to take to
events but I always get caught up in thinking to big and
complicated. This seems much better, and there's always little
things that could be turned as needed. You've been a huge
inspiration.

Thank you!

In Service to the Dream,
Eirikr Mjoksiglandi
Ashgrove, barony of Angels, Caid

--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "James Winkler"
wrote:
>
> Nice work!!! I really love the set up pics in front that give a
context to
> the your lathe. Nice camera work too. neat way to present the
content.
> Bravo!
>
>
>
> Chas.
>
>
>
> =============================
>
> There's no narration yet, but I've been experimenting with making a
> little video of myself using my hand-powered bow lathe.
> http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/Groomporter/video%
20experiment/?actio
> n=view
> 20experiment/?acti
> on=view¤t=BowLathe.flv> ¤t=BowLathe.flv
> --
> MacGregor Historic Games
>




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--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, Michael T Combs <stmike7@...>
wrote:
>
> I have considered making a flywheel lathe for demos and recruit
viewers to power the flywheel.  DaVinci had a great design!
>   Michaeus
>

Check out this video of a British turner using a lathe based on Da Vinci's
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zQ3IiQyyb7Y

I've been planning on making a smaller version using an old grinding
stone we salvaged from a family farm as the flywheel.

Chas
--
MacGregor Games
http://historicgames.com

That's the direction that I had always been headed before, but the
great wheel lathes are inherently less portable.  First there's the
size and weight of the flywheel in transit.  And then the lathe frame
has to be that much more solid/substantial to deal with the mass.
Period bearings and shafts must be scaled up from what we see in
modern lathes and the general machine wear and maintenance goes up
with the overall loads.

These reasons and general procrastination are probably why the only
lathe I own today was made by Jet.  Perhaps the Bow lathe design can
provide the practical aspects that have been getting in my way.

Eirikr

--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, "gameresearch" <myspace@...>
wrote:
>
> I've been planning on making a smaller version using an old grinding
> stone we salvaged from a family farm as the flywheel.
>
> Chas
> --
> MacGregor Games
> http://historicgames.com
>

With all the talk about bow lathes and turning, and the video on YouTube, I
did a bit more snooping...

This video is just terrific... make sure you wait until the very end and
check out the difference in profile on the finished bowls!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDgIGzw4VtA&NR=1

Su of the Silver Horn
(Hi Eirikr!)