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#15524 From: Stuart <darsnordham@...>
Date: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Medieval glue Treatise attached
darsnordham
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On 2/18/2013 8:00 AM, Helen Schultz wrote:

I don't recognize the extension (not well enough informed, I guess) so I don't know how to open it.  I can open Word Perfect, MS Word, MS Excel, and RTF, but am totally unfamiliar with ODT. 
 
~~ Katarina Helene
 
Open Office Document Format.
It's a free office suite compatible with MSoffice.
AND it will save in virtually any other format.. hint hint.

#15525 From: richard kappler <richkappler@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:30 am
Subject: Re: ODT
rgodefelaugh
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Well, no. It's not Open Office format, it's Open Document. Open Office is an office suite comparable to, and somewhat superior to, Microsoft Office. The problem with Open Office, if there is one, is that when Oracle bought Sun iirc, there were, well, problems. Open Office for all intents and purposes ceased to be developed for a while due to , well, problems in the community. 

Mind you, I used to be an avid Open Office user. When some developers forked it to Libre Office, I made the switch. It is actively developed and imho far superior to both MS and Open Office. That's not the point though. The point is odt.

The odt  is a format supported by the open source community. doc, docx and other such formats are proprietary, doc and docx to Microsoft. As was mentioned earlier, the open source office suites primarily use odt format, but can save in ANY format you can think of (including pdf). 

I strongly recommend either product over the ones you listed as having. They are far more intuitive and user friendly, they are free and open source, as software oughtta be.

regards, Richard

--

quando omni flunkus moritati


#15526 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:12 am
Subject: Glue treatise as PDF
geraldgoodwine
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I use open office.  Here is my treatise on medieval glue as a PDF.  For
those of you who have been interested I would like some feedback.  I
tired to make sure that everything is clearly documented as well as
completely presented.  For what we do, it is important that the original
basis-that is the translations of the original material, go along with
and be readily available and compared to the current new and original
research.  Although I have completely documented the work that is from
others,  I think I run a fine line on copyright issues, mostly because
there is so much of it.  The medieval originals would be OK but not
understandable to us only English speakers.  The translations which are
technically the same "thoughts" but in the English words which is what
we are after for our educational purposes, are what fall under
copyright.  And doing my own translation of the same original- wouldn't
that say the same thing or be a lessor more amateur version of what a
professional has already done?  I have is a writing style here that puts
the necessary information directly in front of the reader and it is my
feeling that any less and the writing falls way short short of the
intended purpose.  Copyright concerns are why I don't do more writing.
Why write if I can't convey what I want to say and then put it in some
sort of publishable format.  I am open to any help YOU the interested
readers might be able to give me.

1 of 1 File(s)


#15527 From: John LaTorre <jlatorre@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:28 am
Subject: Re: Medieval glue
tentmeister
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Greetings, all.

I've been using fish glue on the most recent musical instrument I'm
building. It dries very clear and hard, much like hide glue except that
the open time allows for a more leisurely construction. If anybody's
interested, I'll be glad to bring some to Estrella War for you to play with.

Which reminds me: This is to let you all know that my workshop (bench,
tools, and space) will be returning to Estrella War after a two-year
hiatus. I'll be doing "demos" on Wednesday afternoon and Thursday
morning. They're "demos" in the sense that I'll be there working on
stuff. Feel free to bring your own projects, use my tools, and keep me
company. The wood shop will be there throughout the war, but you can
actually count on me being there at the abovementioned times. Come help
me make sawdust and wood chips!

Johann von Drachenfels
West Kingdom

#15528 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:59 am
Subject: Glue and The Great Machine
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As with any glue it is important to to have good mechanical joints.  I
have used cheese lime glue on all glued parts of The great machine which
has been set up and taken down at Lilies war for about 5 years now.  I
am fond of it because of its weather resistance and it has worked well.
All the glue joints have held well.  The Great machine is a period power
tool- a 8 foot diameter dog powered tread-wheel which can run things
like a grinding wheel or barrel tumbler.  In the future, bellows,
power-hammer, and saw.  I will see if I can send some attached a video
or some photos in the near future as my next internet-fu experiment.

#15529 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:00 am
Subject: Photos of The Great Machine
geraldgoodwine
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#15530 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:39 am
Subject: Video of the Great Machine
geraldgoodwine
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I tried several times to send a video as an attachment the same way I
sent the photos.  The photos showed up correctly.  The video showed up
in my sent folder but not on the list. Anyone know why? Oddly when I
click on the video attachment in my sent folder thunderbird asks what to
do with it suggesting the desk top.  When I say ok it stores the video
on the desktop as one would expect.  Then I can click it and watch it.
But most importantly the message doesn't show up in the medievalsawdust
list postings at all.

#15531 From: "Helen Schultz" <helen.schultz@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Photos of The Great Machine [5 Attachments]
meisterin02
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Wow!!  What an awesome set-up.  How do you keep the dog moving?  How long can you expect to keep him/her doing it?  Just curious.
 
~~ Katarina Helene
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:00 AM
Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Photos of The Great Machine [5 Attachments]

 

Here are a couple of photos of TGM


#15532 From: "Helen Schultz" <helen.schultz@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:20 pm
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Video of the Great Machine
meisterin02
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I don't see myself making one, but I would love to see your video... please send it to me direct ( helen dot schultz at comcast dot net ).
 
~~ Katarina Helene
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:39 AM
Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Video of the Great Machine

 

I tried several times to send a video as an attachment the same way I
sent the photos. The photos showed up correctly. The video showed up
in my sent folder but not on the list. Anyone know why? Oddly when I
click on the video attachment in my sent folder thunderbird asks what to
do with it suggesting the desk top. When I say ok it stores the video
on the desktop as one would expect. Then I can click it and watch it.
But most importantly the message doesn't show up in the medievalsawdust
list postings at all.


#15533 From: <maf@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Video of the Great Machine
cerid_the_bl...
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your attachment may be too large. Yahoo strips messages that have over sized attachments. How big of a file was it?
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:39 AM
Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Video of the Great Machine
 
 

I tried several times to send a video as an attachment the same way I
sent the photos. The photos showed up correctly. The video showed up
in my sent folder but not on the list. Anyone know why? Oddly when I
click on the video attachment in my sent folder thunderbird asks what to
do with it suggesting the desk top. When I say ok it stores the video
on the desktop as one would expect. Then I can click it and watch it.
But most importantly the message doesn't show up in the medievalsawdust
list postings at all.


#15534 From: "karincorbin" <karincorbin@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:34 am
Subject: Re: Video of the Great Machine
karincorbin
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Yahoo groups software will scrub off any attachments you send in an email to the
group. Instead you include in your message a link to the website the video is
stored on.

Karin C

--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...> wrote:
>
> I tried several times to send a video as an attachment the same way I
> sent the photos.  The photos showed up correctly.  The video showed up
> in my sent folder but not on the list. Anyone know why? Oddly when I
> click on the video attachment in my sent folder thunderbird asks what to
> do with it suggesting the desk top.  When I say ok it stores the video
> on the desktop as one would expect.  Then I can click it and watch it.
> But most importantly the message doesn't show up in the medievalsawdust
> list postings at all.
>

#15535 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:49 am
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Photos of The Great Machine
geraldgoodwine
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There are many factors.   When I was able to set it up in my barn, I could train the dogs regularly.  Then, as athletes, they could go about 20-30 minutes under no load conditions and 70 deg weather.  When it's hot like at Lilies, that translates to about 15 minutes.  My barn was halfway blown down by severe winds so I am uncomfortable putting it up in the barn and so for the moment the dogs are couch potatoes, thus last year at Lilies (and the temperature was relatively moderate) they were able to only go about 5 minutes and increased to about 8 minutes by the end of the war.  The leather tumbling barrel I ran with last year was a pretty heavy load.  Three dogs at a time ran it well for about 10 minutes.  One dog not so much. Everything dissembles for transport including the wheel and all with period joints. The assembled wheel just by itself weighs about 500 lbs. and the wood came from honey locus from my fence rows.  I chose trees with appropiately curved limbs for the fellows.
On 2/19/2013 7:55 AM, Helen Schultz wrote:
 

Wow!!  What an awesome set-up.  How do you keep the dog moving?  How long can you expect to keep him/her doing it?  Just curious.
 
~~ Katarina Helene
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:00 AM
Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Photos of The Great Machine [5 Attachments]

 

Here are a couple of photos of TGM



#15536 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:20 am
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Video of the Great Machine
geraldgoodwine
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It was 16.2MB.  Karin said,"Yahoo groups software will scrub off any attachments you send in an email to the group. Instead you include in your message a link to the website the video is stored on."  My pictures went through so its not "any attachments".  It must be too big like you say or related to the fact that it is a video.  Do you happen to know which? I don't have a website and its a video I took with my own camera.  I have seen where others have referred to pictures but had no way to figure how to get to them.  I'm not very good with with the web and computers and may need some walking through.  In the mean time, I am attempting to send some attached videos direct to someone that has requested it direct.

On 2/19/2013 8:39 AM, maf@... wrote:
 

your attachment may be too large. Yahoo strips messages that have over sized attachments. How big of a file was it?
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:39 AM
Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Video of the Great Machine
 
 

I tried several times to send a video as an attachment the same way I
sent the photos. The photos showed up correctly. The video showed up
in my sent folder but not on the list. Anyone know why? Oddly when I
click on the video attachment in my sent folder thunderbird asks what to
do with it suggesting the desk top. When I say ok it stores the video
on the desktop as one would expect. Then I can click it and watch it.
But most importantly the message doesn't show up in the medievalsawdust
list postings at all.



#15537 From: <maf@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:11 pm
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Video of the Great Machine
cerid_the_bl...
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I can’t remember but I think it’s 5 or 10 mb and larger that yahoo strips out.
 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Video of the Great Machine
 
 

It was 16.2MB.  Karin said,"Yahoo groups software will scrub off any attachments you send in an email to the group. Instead you include in your message a link to the website the video is stored on."  My pictures went through so its not "any attachments".  It must be too big like you say or related to the fact that it is a video.  Do you happen to know which? I don't have a website and its a video I took with my own camera.  I have seen where others have referred to pictures but had no way to figure how to get to them.  I'm not very good with with the web and computers and may need some walking through.  In the mean time, I am attempting to send some attached videos direct to someone that has requested it direct.

On 2/19/2013 8:39 AM, maf@... wrote:

 
your attachment may be too large. Yahoo strips messages that have over sized attachments. How big of a file was it?
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:39 AM
Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Video of the Great Machine
 
 

I tried several times to send a video as an attachment the same way I
sent the photos. The photos showed up correctly. The video showed up
in my sent folder but not on the list. Anyone know why? Oddly when I
click on the video attachment in my sent folder thunderbird asks what to
do with it suggesting the desk top. When I say ok it stores the video
on the desktop as one would expect. Then I can click it and watch it.
But most importantly the message doesn't show up in the medievalsawdust
list postings at all.



#15538 From: bsrlee <bsrlee2@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:46 pm
Subject: Adding files to Yahoo Groups - was Re: Video of the Great Machine
bsrlee
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The best way to deal with things like videos & documents etc. is to go
straight into Yahoo groups & upload it directly to the 'files' section.
You probably already have an account with Yahoo groups in order to be on
this list (it is possible to avoid this, but it is more complicated).

1. Using your browser, go to Yahoo Groups, log in then go to the
Medieval Sawdust group. Click on it to open the home page.
The direct link is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/medievalsawdust/
Click on 'Files' in the left hand column. When that opens, click on 'Add
a file' in the right hand column. (Want to make it hard, don't they,
couldn't be consistant)

2. This should bring up a window with a box to browse to the file you
want to upload on your computer (hint: make a copy of the file & put it
somewhere easy to find, like 'Desktop' or 'C:/uploads' before you
start.) - now browse your computer to the file, click on it which should
make the name of the file appear in the file box under the browsing
window, then click 'open'. This will take you back to the 'Add File' window.

3. Put a description in the box underneath the file name ( 'Great
Machine Video' for instance), then click the highlighted box 'upload
file' at the bottom right. Go and get a snack while the file uploads as
it will take a while. When the file seems to have uploaded, check that
it works OK (sometimes things get corrupted or truncated when uploading)
then relax & wait for the reactions.

If you are going to upload a bunch of videos and/or documents, it would
be a good idea to create a personal folder in the files section - the
procedure is much the same.
If you have a lot of photos to upload, follow the above instructions but
substitute 'Photos' for 'Files'.

regards
Brusi of Orkney
Rowany/Lochac.

#15539 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:30 am
Subject: sending videos
geraldgoodwine
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I put an attachment in a direct email to Helen and found out that yahoo
only allows 41,697,280 bites.  The email worked so I am going to try
doing one other one that is less than that for the list.   bsrlee gave
me a long set of instructions I will have to beat my way through and
figure out.  In the mean time, Is attaching videos considered a bad
thing-just in case it works?

#15540 From: "karincorbin" <karincorbin@...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:26 am
Subject: Re: Video of the Great Machine
karincorbin
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The easy way would be to upload it to youtube and then put a link to it in email
and in the links file.

Karin

--- In medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...> wrote:
>
> It was 16.2MB.  Karin said,"Yahoo groups software will scrub off any
> attachments you send in an email to the group. Instead you include in
> your message a link to the website the video is stored on."  My pictures
> went through so its not "any attachments".  It must be too big like you
> say or related to the fact that it is a video.  Do you happen to know
> which? I don't have a website and its a video I took with my own
> camera.  I have seen where others have referred to pictures but had no
> way to figure how to get to them.  I'm not very good with with the web
> and computers and may need some walking through.  In the mean time, I am
> attempting to send some attached videos direct to someone that has
> requested it direct.
>
> On 2/19/2013 8:39 AM, maf@... wrote:
> >
> > your attachment may be too large. Yahoo strips messages that have over
> > sized attachments. How big of a file was it?
> > *From:* Jerry Harder <mailto:geraldgoodwine@...>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:39 AM
> > *To:* medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Subject:* [MedievalSawdust] Video of the Great Machine
> >
> > I tried several times to send a video as an attachment the same way I
> > sent the photos. The photos showed up correctly. The video showed up
> > in my sent folder but not on the list. Anyone know why? Oddly when I
> > click on the video attachment in my sent folder thunderbird asks what to
> > do with it suggesting the desk top. When I say ok it stores the video
> > on the desktop as one would expect. Then I can click it and watch it.
> > But most importantly the message doesn't show up in the medievalsawdust
> > list postings at all.
> >
> >
>

#15541 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:42 am
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Re: Video of the Great Machine
geraldgoodwine
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I think your right And I had one and it used to work. Now it doesn't and I don't remember my password.  Mine was titled: The Great Machine & The Grindstone Someone else has posted it on youtube also and they are:
Lilies war, dog powered machinery
Happy dog running in her wheel
Close up of dog powered machine

Also thanks to Brusi of Orkney whose walk through was of great help.  Now I know how to find the photos folks on this list talk about.  Unfortantly the files allowed are only 5120K so not my videos. I'll have to work the youtube rout.

On 2/21/2013 1:26 AM, karincorbin wrote:
 

The easy way would be to upload it to youtube and then put a link to it in email and in the links file.

Karin



#15542 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Re: Video of the Great Machine
geraldgoodwine
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I think your right And I had one and it used to work. Now it doesn't and I don't remember my password.  Mine was titled: The Great Machine & The Grindstone Someone else has posted it on youtube also and they are:
Lilies war, dog powered machinery
Happy dog running in her wheel
Close up of dog powered machine

Also thanks to Brusi of Orkney whose walk through was of great help.  Now I know how to find the photos folks on this list talk about.  Unfortantly the files allowed are only 5120K so not my videos. I'll have to work the youtube rout.

On 2/21/2013 1:26 AM, karincorbin wrote:
 

The easy way would be to upload it to youtube and then put a link to it in email and in the links file.

Karin



#15543 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:05 am
Subject: posted pics
geraldgoodwine
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From Brusi of Orkney's help I was able to post some photos of the
barrel-tumbler the tread-wheel ran last summer.  When I push the add now
button it appears to do nothing but eventually tells me yahoo timed
out.  When I go there the photos are there, but am I doing something wrong?

#15544 From: bsrlee <bsrlee2@...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] posted pics
bsrlee
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If the photos are getting there then you are NOT doing anything wrong.

For those of us like me, with Ante Diluvian connection speeds, we get a
progress bar come up - or at least we used to, I haven't posted anything
to Yahoo groups for a while. If your connection is fast enough or the
file is small enough, you probably don't get the progress bar and
eventually Yahoo's site software thinks you have fallen asleep waiting
for it, gets bored & goes off to play solitare. If there is a progress
bar or some other indication of success it may be coming up in a
backgroup window that goes away after a few seconds (another pet hate of
mine) before you get a change to notice it.

A simple check on this is to open a second browser window while you have
the upload window open, and have a look at the group's home page - it
will have a bar that says 'Z new posts - X new files - Y new photos' at
the top centre near the word home. You can just go straight to the new
photos by clicking on the 'new photos' text, which is also a button -
unfortunately that does not work the same for 'files', it just takes you
to ALL the files, not just the new ones.

You may also have noticed that Yahoo's site software also automatically
reduces the size of all photos that you post, regardless of how small
the photo was to start with, another pita 'feature' that we have come to
live with. At least you are not posting everything to a site that
requires you to create an 'account' with all your personal details (and
a pint of blood).

regards
Brusi of Orkney

On 21-Feb-13 9:05 PM, Jerry Harder wrote:
>   From Brusi of Orkney's help I was able to post some photos of the
> barrel-tumbler the tread-wheel ran last summer.  When I push the add now
> button it appears to do nothing but eventually tells me yahoo timed
> out.  When I go there the photos are there, but am I doing something wrong?
>

#15545 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:36 am
Subject: cane
geraldgoodwine
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Last year a work friends neighbor was going to kill a patch of cane he
had growing on his property.  Knowing that I might be interested, he ask
if i wanted it.  Now I have a 5ft by 35 foot bed of it.
it looked like tall corn when I got it very late in the spring and grew
that tall again on my property the same year.  It originally came from
California but I don't know where it's really native too.  I thing it
may get as much as 15 ft tall this year, and I did cut and save last
years canes.  Can anyone document any medieval uses?  Even better 16th C
German?  Anyone want to play with some?

#15546 From: Mike Wilson <kitearcher@...>
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:33 am
Subject: RE: [MedievalSawdust] cane
kitefella...
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Master Gerald,

Look up Science and Civilisation, a multi-volume masterpiece on China edited by Joseph Needham. Bamboo has been used for literally thousands of years for a variety of things, including the mundane such as gutters and downspouts.
Off the top of my head, the uses of bamboo in the west seem limited. There is a kite reference in Volume IV, book 2. The bibliography of that book alone is well over 300 pages - with the western sources numbering about 160.
However, Giambattista della Porta wrote in Natural Magick (1558) about using reeds in the construction of a "comet" (kite). The use of paper and bamboo to make kites was mentioned in The Book of Animals, a book written in the middle ages by a Islamic scholar.
Also bamboo was used for kites in several sources, all far eastern: Korean, Japanese, Thai, Cambodian and Indian.

Archer
(the Gleann Abhann kite guy)



To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
From: geraldgoodwine@...
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 02:36:21 -0600
Subject: [MedievalSawdust] cane

 
Last year a work friends neighbor was going to kill a patch of cane he
had growing on his property. Knowing that I might be interested, he ask
if i wanted it. Now I have a 5ft by 35 foot bed of it.
it looked like tall corn when I got it very late in the spring and grew
that tall again on my property the same year. It originally came from
California but I don't know where it's really native too. I thing it
may get as much as 15 ft tall this year, and I did cut and save last
years canes. Can anyone document any medieval uses? Even better 16th C
German? Anyone want to play with some?


#15547 From: Stuart <darsnordham@...>
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:43 am
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] cane
darsnordham
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Have you any idea what kind of cane it is? Speaking as an instrument
maker, some kinds are wonderful for reeds.
Perhaps send an image to the list, I might be able to identify it. If it
is a type I can use, I would be quite interested in some.
--
Aleyn Wykington O.L.
Shire of Hartwood
Tir Righ
AnTir

On 2/24/2013 12:36 AM, Jerry Harder wrote:
> Last year a work friends neighbor was going to kill a patch of cane he
> had growing on his property.  Knowing that I might be interested, he ask
> if i wanted it.  Now I have a 5ft by 35 foot bed of it.
> it looked like tall corn when I got it very late in the spring and grew
> that tall again on my property the same year.  It originally came from
> California but I don't know where it's really native too.  I thing it
> may get as much as 15 ft tall this year, and I did cut and save last
> years canes.  Can anyone document any medieval uses?  Even better 16th C
> German?  Anyone want to play with some?
>
>

#15548 From: Mike Wilson <kitearcher@...>
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:01 am
Subject: RE: [MedievalSawdust] cane
kitefella...
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There are wind whistles, and "harps" called hummers, put onto kites throughout the far east.

Archer
Barony of Small Gray Bear
Gleann Abhann


To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
From: darsnordham@...
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:43:53 -0800
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] cane

 
Have you any idea what kind of cane it is? Speaking as an instrument
maker, some kinds are wonderful for reeds.
Perhaps send an image to the list, I might be able to identify it. If it
is a type I can use, I would be quite interested in some.
--
Aleyn Wykington O.L.
Shire of Hartwood
Tir Righ
AnTir

On 2/24/2013 12:36 AM, Jerry Harder wrote:
> Last year a work friends neighbor was going to kill a patch of cane he
> had growing on his property. Knowing that I might be interested, he ask
> if i wanted it. Now I have a 5ft by 35 foot bed of it.
> it looked like tall corn when I got it very late in the spring and grew
> that tall again on my property the same year. It originally came from
> California but I don't know where it's really native too. I thing it
> may get as much as 15 ft tall this year, and I did cut and save last
> years canes. Can anyone document any medieval uses? Even better 16th C
> German? Anyone want to play with some?
>
>



#15549 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:49 am
Subject: cane/w pics attached
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Not really, but I don't think it's bamboo although I really don't know the difference between cane, bamboo, and reeds.  Attached are some pictures from the garden it came from (in may?) and DSCoo958 is  in maybe Aug or Sept.  They were cut back to about 6 in for transplant.

On 2/24/2013 9:43 PM, Stuart wrote:
 

Have you any idea what kind of cane it is? Speaking as an instrument
maker, some kinds are wonderful for reeds.
Perhaps send an image to the list, I might be able to identify it. If it
is a type I can use, I would be quite interested in some.
--
Aleyn Wykington O.L.
Shire of Hartwood
Tir Righ
AnTir

On 2/24/2013 12:36 AM, Jerry Harder wrote:
> Last year a work friends neighbor was going to kill a patch of cane he
> had growing on his property. Knowing that I might be interested, he ask
> if i wanted it. Now I have a 5ft by 35 foot bed of it.
> it looked like tall corn when I got it very late in the spring and grew
> that tall again on my property the same year. It originally came from
> California but I don't know where it's really native too. I thing it
> may get as much as 15 ft tall this year, and I did cut and save last
> years canes. Can anyone document any medieval uses? Even better 16th C
> German? Anyone want to play with some?
>
>



2 of 2 Photo(s)

#15550 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:52 am
Subject: cane other two pics
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#15551 From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:29 am
Subject: Is charcoal a wood project?
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By the way the DSCoo958 pic was of the haystack method of charcoal
making project I did this summer.  That's still working with wood, right?
Its documented in Pyrotechnica Byrringuccio (1533-44)  I think the 33
date is when they think it was written and 44 when published.  my
spelling and the 2 dates may be off a "smige" but less than a decade.
Left the source at home.

#15552 From: "Stu" <darsnordham@...>
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: cane other two pics
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Hi, given the cane came from California and what it looks like, I'd say it was
Arundo donax. You can wiki its characteristics, the height depends on the soil
it is in though. The stuff is originally Mediterranean, but was dragged all over
the world as it is so incredibly useful. To me, that is the ideal type of cane
for wood wind instruments from early clarinets to bagpipes. I'd love to try
playing with some of it. Mind if I contact you off list about this?

Aleyn Wykington O.L.

#15553 From: Wolf <sancoeur@...>
Date: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:00 pm
Subject: Re: [MedievalSawdust] Is charcoal a wood project?
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Personally, I don't see any reason why it "shouldn't" be considered as still working with wood. And given the... ah... shall we say, "climate" nowadays, maybe knowing how to make charcoal would be a Good Thing!

Of course, I'm still dying to know more about those canes you spoke of earlier - the whole kite thing interests me, along with other possible uses outside of their use as musical instruments. I don't see why you couldn't cut it down into thin strips and use it for things like the old-fashioned reed-bottom chair, or weave it into baskets.

Lee

--- On Mon, 2/25/13, Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...> wrote:

From: Jerry Harder <geraldgoodwine@...>
Subject: [MedievalSawdust] Is charcoal a wood project?
To: medievalsawdust@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 12:29 AM

 

By the way the DSCoo958 pic was of the haystack method of charcoal
making project I did this summer. That's still working with wood, right?
Its documented in Pyrotechnica Byrringuccio (1533-44) I think the 33
date is when they think it was written and 44 when published. my
spelling and the 2 dates may be off a "smige" but less than a decade.
Left the source at home.


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