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Hello guys,

I do not write much, truth be told after a few things, I have given up
writing or comics in general. But I have to be honest after reading
this script on penciljack, I was impressed. Someone wrote a story with
Amazing Man and the Clock, even said he originally was going to use
MLJ stuff. Either way, thought you guys might get a kick out of.

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Hi Gang,
Fans of the Golden Age Centaur books should check out that section on
the Golden Age Comics site.
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from paper.

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today, though emphasis is more on the golden age characters.

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golden age stories that are posted.

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Hey gang. I hate doing something like this here...but I figured there
are more people on this list than ANYwhere interested in this.

I stumbled across some Protectors t-shirts after my recent move...so,
I've just listed them on ebay.
The Witch
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=270318113831
The Ferret
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=270318113814
Gravestone
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=270318113792

If interested...take a look. Otherwise, I apologize for the spam.

Hope everyone has a MERRY CHRISTMAS!

-Roland

> > > > On a related note, also in the June 93 books, mini-series for
> > Mighty Man and Amazing Man were announced for "early '94"? Was any
> > work on these titles done?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes, I wrote a plot. Revised it a few times...but because of the
> > UV, it just never went anywhere. No art was done.
> >
> > Were you going to work on both characters: Mighty Man and Amazing
> > Man? Did you have a villian in mind for the series?
> >
> Y'know...I MAY have the plot around here somewhere. I do remember
seeing a
> jumbled file on one of my disks recently (I was writing everything
on a Mac
> then...tried to save all my "work" ...but over time and different
programs
> and crashes and all that, some of the files are corrupt!)

I hate thinking about crashing computers.  My old pc crashed & burned
just this past year and I lost tons of stuff, most importantly,
pictures of my kids that I wasn't smart enough to copy to a cd.

And I'm sure all the members of this group would love to see the plot
if you happen to come across it.

> >  Would [Derenick] he have ended-up working on one of the aborted
> > mini-series
> > (Mighty Man or Amazing Man) had the line not been discontinued?
> >
> Y'know...I really don't remember. I'm sorry.

Hey, no need to apologize for not remembering every little detail
about stuff that never happened well over a decade ago.

> > I was always impressed with the fact that, considering he worked
on
> > four different titles with seperate casts of characters, his
artwork
> > was consistently good and it didn't seem that he had a problem
> > handling a large cast. I'm really surprised he didn't end-up at
> > Marvel or DC at some point, because he does seem to have loads of
> > talent and seems to be able to draw just about anything and draw
it
> > well.
> >
> Yeah...that's pretty much what we thought. He's on facebook and (I
think)
> Comicspace...drop him and line and tell him to talk to me about a
project!
> I've got the perfect one in mind. :)

I came across "The Art of Willie Peppers" (http://mogus-
1.tripod.com/) quite a while ago and enjoyed poking around a bit,
although he needs to update it.  I'll have to look him up on Facebook
and see if he has anything on Comicspace.  I thought I looked there
before but I might have missed it.

Again, thanks for taking the time to answer some more questions.

Take care,
Brian

Roland,

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post, it's greatly
appreciated.

 

> > On a related note, also in the June 93 books, mini-series for
Mighty Man and Amazing Man were announced for "early '94"? Was any
work on these titles done?
> >
>
> Yes, I wrote a plot. Revised it a few times...but because of the
UV, it just never went anywhere. No art was done.

Were you going to work on both characters: Mighty Man and Amazing
Man? Did you have a villian in mind for the series?

Would [Derenick] he have ended-up working on one of the aborted mini-series
(Mighty Man or Amazing Man) had the line not been discontinued?

>

Maybe I shouldn't have asked any questions at all, because the more I
read of your responses, the more I miss The Protectors and "what
could have been".

 

I was always impressed with the fact that, considering he worked on
four different titles with seperate casts of characters, his artwork
was consistently good and it didn't seem that he had a problem
handling a large cast. I'm really surprised he didn't end-up at
Marvel or DC at some point, because he does seem to have loads of
talent and seems to be able to draw just about anything and draw it
well.

Again, thanks for taking the time to respond.

Brian

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:21 PM, <malibuprotectors@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The Protectors and Malibu/Centaur comics

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Re: Glad to be a new member of this group! From: Roland Mann

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Posted by: "comicsnorth" comicsnorth@...   comicsnorth

Sun Nov 2, 2008 1:39 pm (PST)

Given how much some of the characters had been changed from their
Centaur originals (Ferret, for one, much to the better, imho. He was
at least my favorite Wolverine clone to date, instead of an odd hero
with flight & super-strength as his "ferret-like" powers), I could see
where an editorial session could start out to fix/update the Rainbow,
and bounce around enough different concepts (Maybe give him
light-based powers? The team needs more women, what if we make him a
her? Hey, what if she's black?) until they wound up with an original
creation. It's not like the female, flying, energy-zapping Nightmask
bore all that much resemblance to the male, often super-strong,
occasionally telepathic Masked Marvel. Of course, that's assuming
that anyone involved in the Protectors was even aware of a one-shot
wonder like the Rainbow in the first place.

The Widowmaker theory is interesting, and certainly as plausible as
any of mine.

-comicsnorth

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Posted by: "Phil Latter" chromium_foil@...   chromium_foil

Sun Nov 2, 2008 2:20 pm (PST)

I really do wish someone would revive the Malibu Protectors characters! Airman was my favourite, but they were all good!
 
Phil Latter
Halifax

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, comicsnorth <comicsnorth@...> wrote:

From: comicsnorth <comicsnorth@...>
Subject: [MalibuProtectors] Re: Glad to be a new member of this group!
To: malibuprotectors@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 5:39 PM

Given how much some of the characters had been changed from their
Centaur originals (Ferret, for one, much to the better, imho. He was
at least my favorite Wolverine clone to date, instead of an odd hero
with flight & super-strength as his "ferret-like" powers), I could see
where an editorial session could start out to fix/update the Rainbow,
and bounce around enough different concepts (Maybe give him
light-based powers? The team needs more women, what if we make him a
her? Hey, what if she's black?) until they wound up with an original
creation. It's not like the female, flying, energy-zapping Nightmask
bore all that much resemblance to the male, often super-strong,
occasionally telepathic Masked Marvel. Of course, that's assuming
that anyone involved in the Protectors was even aware of a one-shot
wonder like the Rainbow in the first place.

The Widowmaker theory is interesting, and certainly as plausible as
any of mine.

-comicsnorth

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Posted by: "bchat85" bchat85@...   bchat85

Sun Nov 2, 2008 4:47 pm (PST)

> Given how much some of the characters had been changed from their
> Centaur originals (Ferret, for one, much to the better, imho. He
was
> at least my favorite Wolverine clone to date, instead of an odd hero
> with flight & super-strength as his "ferret-like" powers),

Yeah, I don't see too many flying ferrets in real life.

I agree that The Ferret benefitted greatly from the major revamping
that was done. One character they could have left alone was The
Arrow. The original version (whether it be in blue or red) had a
nice design that could have worked well enough even way back in the
1990s.

> I could see where an editorial session could start out to
fix/update the Rainbow,
> and bounce around enough different concepts (Maybe give him
> light-based powers? The team needs more women, what if we make him
a
> her? Hey, what if she's black?) until they wound up with an
original creation.

It's a shame that the internet wasn't as prominent back in 1992 as it
is now. The behind-the-scenes stuff that pops-up for every book
published today is one of the things that's missing about the history
of these characters. Aside from the information that appeared in the
letters' column of the books themselves, I never saw much in the way
of interviews/information about this series in magazines and such,
and it wasn't until five years after the series was cancelled that I
finally got internet access. Unfortunately at that time, there was
enough other comic series that had my attention that I never bothered
to investigate The Protectors all that much (if there was even
anything to find online). Now it's at least 16 years later, a point
in time where the people involved probably have forgotten a lot of
the how's and why's, and I want to know everything about it.

> It's not like the female, flying, energy-zapping Nightmask
> bore all that much resemblance to the male, often super-strong,
> occasionally telepathic Masked Marvel.

But at least that was a natural progression of the series itself,
with the original Night Mask's son taking-up the name & costume (with
no powers), then Marcia Beckworth taking the name to honor Richard.
For me, that kind of "big departure" from the original Masked Marvel
is understandable.

> The Widowmaker theory is interesting, and certainly as plausible as
> any of mine.

It IS a bit of stretch, I'll admit, since only the use of a weapon
connects Widowmaker to Marksman.

And since I have at least one person's ear: What's the status on the
proposed "Centaur Anthology" that was being talked about heavily
earlier in the year? Did it die a quiet death or is it still being
worked on?

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Posted by: "Roland Mann" brolandmann@...   rolandmann

Mon Nov 3, 2008 10:00 am (PST)

--- In malibuprotectors@yahoogroups.com, "bchat85" <bchat85@...> wrote:

> Since we're on the subject, I myself have wondered if Widowmaker was
> meant to be a revised Marksman, but I suppose anyone could make that
> connection with any character that wielded a weapon (based on what
> little I know of the Marksman character).

Widowmaker is indeed the second name for one of them...but I'm having
troubles remember which one. It MAY have been Marksman, but that
doesn't sound right. I think the issue at the time was the original
name was being used by someone else and so we decided to change it
rather than risk any legal stuff.

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Re: Digest Number 400

Posted by: "Roland Mann" brolandmann@...   rolandmann

Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:54 am (PST)

Hey Newcomer!

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:20 PM, <malibuprotectors@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> First of all, thanks for allowing me to join this group.
> I've been a fan of The Protectors since they first appeared in the
> comic shops way back when, and I enjoyed the entire line of books
> that were published. I was disappointed when Malibu cancelled the
> line to focus on the Ultraverse (books which I personally didn't care
>

I was ALSO INCREDIBLY disappointed.

>
> about), and for the past decade-plus have always wondered "what might
> have been".
> I'm disappointed by the lack amount of information available on the
> internet regarding this series, but that's probably due to the fact
> that the internet wasn't as big a thing back in 1992 as it is now.
> There's a lot of "behind-the-scenes" type questions I have which at
> this point I can't see being answered accurately.
> I've painstakingly gone through all the messages and noticed that
> interviews had been set-up by Bradley Cobb .... did these interviews
> ever happen? I know Roland Mann is part of the group, and he was
> able to get some answers from R.A. Jones, but was Thomas Derenick
> ever contacted? What about Chris Ulm, who was also involved with the
> formation of the line?
> Specific questions I had were (and no, I don't expect anyone to
> answer any of them, I'm just throwing them out there):
> I was curious as to what artist(s) helped design the bulk of The
> Protectors characters? Jerry Bingham seemed to do a lot of early
> pictures of the team: how much was he involved early-on in the
> creation process? How many characters were designed by Thomas
> Derenick? I know he designed Iron Skull, but who else?
>

No. Jerry was pretty much the main guy.
We had a set of designs that we'd send to an artist for them to use.
Granted, each of them put their own personal touch on the characters
(Zachary for Ferret, etc), but the designs were Jerry Bingham's work.

>
> At two points in time, a Witch project was mentioned, once in
> Protectors # 4 [cover date Dec 92] as a one-shot and again in the
> June 93 books where The Witch would have been a mini-series. How
> much work was done on either project [plot, script, artwork]?
>

I do remember a rough plot (By R.A. If I remember correctly), and Darick
Robertson was going to draw it.

> Would
> the mini-series [planned for "early '94"] have incorporated the
> Reverend Gloom sub-plot that started in Protectors 15 & 17?
>

I think so...but don't hold me to that because I don't remember with
certainty. I DO know that I worked hard with R.A. on the continuity. R.A.
was just as insistent on it as I was.

>
> On a related note, also in the June 93 books, mini-series for Mighty
> Man and Amazing Man were announced for "early '94"? Was any work on
> these titles done?
>

Yes, I wrote a plot. Revised it a few times...but because of the UV, it just
never went anywhere. No art was done.

>
> Is there any indication what the planned ideas for Mantoka and
> Nowhere Man were before the books were cancelled? I would imagine
> that Mr Jones had some ideas scribbled down somewhere for each and I
> was curious as to what they were. Twice Mantoka appeared in The
> Protectors (in issues 10 & 18), apparently to set-up a plot that
> looked to involve an alien spaceship, but the poor guy doesn't even
> appear in the grand finale like Nowhere Man does.
> Issue 10 of the Ferret seemed to cut the hero's ties from the team
> completely. Anyone know what the plans for that title might have
> been for further issues?
> Thomas Derenick seemed to almost drop off the face of the Earth after
> issue 18 (where he did the Mantoka back-up story). Was this due to
> his taking a break or perhaps working on different Protectors
> material? Checking some of the Database sites, it doesn't appear
> that he was working on much of anything around that time.
>

We wanted to keep Thomas busy, but because of the cutting back, there just
wasn't much work to go around. I understand he's been doing some work these
days with Marvel.

>
> I read in one of the messages here Roland Mann's recollection of the
> reasons why the line was cancelled by Malibu. Was any thought ever
> given to incorporating the Protectors' Universe into the Ultraverse
> line?
>

Yes.
But the UV founders (y'know, the "big name" writers) were absolutely 100%
dead set against it. So it never happened.

>
> And finally, why hasn't Willie Peppers gotten more work in the comics
> industry? The guy was good artist and I enjoyed his work.
>

I LOVE Willie's work. Part of an editor's job is to discover how "reliable"
an artist is: ie., can they meet a deadline AND maintain the quality. The
work you see of Willies at Malibu was just that. It was our intention to
eventually get Willie on the "planned" Widowmaker title. But again...it just
never happened.

On a side note...over the past year, I've been trying to talk Willie into
doing a comic project with me (me as writer)...if you know him, write him
and encourage him to do so! :)

Roland

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Posted by: "bchat85" bchat85@...   bchat85

Mon Nov 3, 2008 12:20 pm (PST)

Roland,

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post, it's greatly
appreciated.

--- In malibuprotectors@yahoogroups.com, "Roland Mann"
<brolandmann@...> wrote:
> > At two points in time, a Witch project was mentioned, once in
> > Protectors # 4 [cover date Dec 92] as a one-shot and again in the
> > June 93 books where The Witch would have been a mini-series. How
> > much work was done on either project [plot, script, artwork]?
> >
>
> I do remember a rough plot (By R.A. If I remember correctly), and
Darick Robertson was going to draw it.

> > Would the mini-series [planned for "early '94"] have incorporated
the Reverend Gloom sub-plot that started in Protectors 15 & 17?
> >
>
> I think so...but don't hold me to that because I don't remember with
certainty. I DO know that I worked hard with R.A. on the continuity.
R.A. was just as insistent on it as I was.

A real shame this didn't happen. I like Robertson's artwork and
having him work on The Witch would have been cool to see, plus it
would have been nice to have that storyline resolved. Gloom looked
like he might have been an interesting villian for the heroes to go
up against.

> > On a related note, also in the June 93 books, mini-series for
Mighty Man and Amazing Man were announced for "early '94"? Was any
work on these titles done?
> >
>
> Yes, I wrote a plot. Revised it a few times...but because of the
UV, it just never went anywhere. No art was done.

Were you going to work on both characters: Mighty Man and Amazing
Man? Did you have a villian in mind for the series?

> > Thomas Derenick seemed to almost drop off the face of the Earth
after issue 18 (where he did the Mantoka back-up story). Was this due
to his taking a break or perhaps working on different Protectors
material? Checking some of the Database sites, it doesn't appear that
he was working on much of anything around that time.
> >
>
> We wanted to keep Thomas busy, but because of the cutting back,
there just wasn't much work to go around. I understand he's been
doing some work these days with Marvel.

I've noticed that he's been involved with DC's Shadowpact title, and
from what I've seen, it's some pretty darn good work.

Would he have ended-up working on one of the aborted mini-series
(Mighty Man or Amazing Man) had the line not been discontinued?

> > I read in one of the messages here Roland Mann's recollection of
the reasons why the line was cancelled by Malibu. Was any thought ever
given to incorporating the Protectors' Universe into the Ultraverse
line?
> >
>
> Yes.
> But the UV founders (y'know, the "big name" writers) were
absolutely 100% dead set against it. So it never happened.

That's ... frustrating to hear. I know that the Ultraverse line was
hugely successful and it had some nice things going for it, but The
Protectors was a more classically-styled group of titles, which I
think over the long haul is a better approach to take.

> > And finally, why hasn't Willie Peppers gotten more work in the
comics industry? The guy was good artist and I enjoyed his work.
> >
>
> I LOVE Willie's work. Part of an editor's job is to discover
how "reliable" an artist is: ie., can they meet a deadline AND
maintain the quality. The work you see of Willies at Malibu was just
that. It was our intention to eventually get Willie on the "planned"
Widowmaker title. But again...it just never happened.

Maybe I shouldn't have asked any questions at all, because the more I
read of your responses, the more I miss The Protectors and "what
could have been".

I was always impressed with the fact that, considering he worked on
four different titles with seperate casts of characters, his artwork
was consistently good and it didn't seem that he had a problem
handling a large cast. I'm really surprised he didn't end-up at
Marvel or DC at some point, because he does seem to have loads of
talent and seems to be able to draw just about anything and draw it
well.

Again, thanks for taking the time to respond.

Brian

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> As far as I know, the Centaur Anthology has been in silent mode for
> quite some time, so I'm assuming that it's currently inert, if not
> "quietly dead".

That's a shame, since it's a good idea.

> While I'm not sure what any of the others involved
> (not that I was that deeply involved myself) thought, but it seems
to
> me that what it came down to was that reviving the Centaur
characters
> was not so much a great idea as it was a substantial number of
really
> great, but sometimes mutually exclusive ideas.  For instance, my
> feelings were that, since all (or at least, all that I've seen so
far)
> of the "future" Iron Skull stories, set in the distant year 1970,
had
> the same fashions & vehicles as the contemporary series (as opposed
> to, say, Magician From Mars, which was never explicitly stated to be
> set in the future, but featured commercial flights from Mars to
Earth,
> and sky cabs in New York), and the technology was not any more
> advanced that what was seen in Amazing-Man or Minimidget, it just
made
> more sense to state that all of Iron Skull's stories took place
> roughly when, and in the same order that they were published, and
the
> "1970" stuff was essentially a typo.  My friend Sam was of the
opinion
> that Iron Skull started out as a cyborg PI in 1970, and then in an
> untold story, traveled back in time to become the costumed World War
> II hero seen in the later run of his series.  Someone else could
> easily make the claim that the 1940s superhero stories happened
first,
> and then the Iron Skull lived on to eventually become the 1970s
plain
> clothes adventurer whose stories were published earlier.  All these
> approaches are valid, imho, and frankly, I could see myself reading
a
> series based on any of them, but figuring out which one to put in
the
> Anthology, or how to market an Anthology that features several
variant
> takes on the same characters seems like an almost impossible task.
> I'd still like to see someone do something with them, tho.

Seems to me, from reading all of the posts related to the topic of a
Centaur Anthology, that several issues may have resulted in a loss of
interest.  Certainly, the idea of a "shared universe" would be a
major one, but how to get the book "out there" seemed to be another
major sticking point.  Personally, I don't see why a printed book
couldn't have been supplemented by web-based content, since the
website could have been used to promote what was being sold in stores
(basically, using one form of publication shouldn't have excluded
another).

Back to the "Shared Universe" concept:  It didn't appear, from what I
read, that anybody was looking to use a character that someone else
said they wanted to use, so there didn't seem to be an issue
regarding various depictions of the same hero.  If the project failed
to get readers' interest, would it have mattered if everything took
place in the same "world"?

The biggest issue facing a project like this is money.  The stories
need to be Copyrighted, either as a whole or individually (which
isn't really expensive), as well as having at least one Trademark
secured (the publishing name or comic title), which in and of itself
costs about $400.  Assuming most people that wanted to be involved
with this have other things to pay for and spend money on, that's a
sizable amount of money to fork-out at the start with no guaruntee
that a profit could be made.

Going through the internet to release the book is relatively cheap
compared to getting a book printed, and revenue could be generated by
selling advertising space on the web-pages themselves (or by just
using Google's Adsense program).  As an added bonus for visitors (or
just to get them there in the first place), the site could include
all the Public Domain material one could get their hands on.  Getting
people to pay for any new material produced would be tricky, as
people like free things on the web more than actually paying for
decent content, but I think it could be done if handled correctly.

Yes, I have given this a little bit of thought because I see the
potential these characters have.  It's a shame to see that potential
remain untapped.

> As it is, I'm surprised that Marvel hasn't had either the
Protectors or the Ultraverse turn up doing one of it's dimension
hopping story lines--it's not like the Ferret or Prime would be
wildly out of place in the Exiles, for instance.

From what I've gathered from various "sources" (please note the
quotations) around the net, Joe Q has no clue how the deal with the
creators of the Ultraverse actually works, and rather than run into
some sort of legal problem, he has simply decided to avoid the
characters altogether (which seems pretty stupid).

As to The Protectors & The Exiles series, I can only assume that with
so many options at their disposal, using The Protectors didn't even
occur to the writers.  I certainly enjoyed Tony Bedard's run on the
book, and would have liked to see his version of The Exiles meet-up
with The Protectors.

As far as I know, the Centaur Anthology has been in silent mode for
quite some time, so I'm assuming that it's currently inert, if not
"quietly dead".  While I'm not sure what any of the others involved
(not that I was that deeply involved myself) thought, but it seems to
me that what it came down to was that reviving the Centaur characters
was not so much a great idea as it was a substantial number of really
great, but sometimes mutually exclusive ideas.  For instance, my
feelings were that, since all (or at least, all that I've seen so far)
of the "future" Iron Skull stories, set in the distant year 1970, had
the same fashions & vehicles as the contemporary series (as opposed
to, say, Magician From Mars, which was never explicitly stated to be
set in the future, but featured commercial flights from Mars to Earth,
and sky cabs in New York), and the technology was not any more
advanced that what was seen in Amazing-Man or Minimidget, it just made
more sense to state that all of Iron Skull's stories took place
roughly when, and in the same order that they were published, and the
"1970" stuff was essentially a typo.  My friend Sam was of the opinion
that Iron Skull started out as a cyborg PI in 1970, and then in an
untold story, traveled back in time to become the costumed World War
II hero seen in the later run of his series.  Someone else could
easily make the claim that the 1940s superhero stories happened first,
and then the Iron Skull lived on to eventually become the 1970s plain
clothes adventurer whose stories were published earlier.  All these
approaches are valid, imho, and frankly, I could see myself reading a
series based on any of them, but figuring out which one to put in the
Anthology, or how to market an Anthology that features several variant
takes on the same characters seems like an almost impossible task.
I'd still like to see someone do something with them, tho.  As it is,
I'm surprised that Marvel hasn't had either the Protectors or the
Ultraverse turn up doing one of it's dimension hopping story
lines--it's not like the Ferret or Prime would be wildly out of place
in the Exiles, for instance.

-Comicsnorth
--- In malibuprotectors@yahoogroups.com, "bchat85" <bchat85@...> wrote:
>
> > Given how much some of the characters had been changed from their
> > Centaur originals (Ferret, for one, much to the better, imho.  He
> was
> > at least my favorite Wolverine clone to date, instead of an odd hero
> > with flight & super-strength as his "ferret-like" powers),
>
> Yeah, I don't see too many flying ferrets in real life.
>
> I agree that The Ferret benefitted greatly from the major revamping
> that was done.  One character they could have left alone was The
> Arrow.  The original version (whether it be in blue or red) had a
> nice design that could have worked well enough even way back in the
> 1990s.
>
> > I could see where an editorial session could start out to
> fix/update the Rainbow,
> > and bounce around enough different concepts (Maybe give him
> > light-based powers?  The team needs more women, what if we make him
> a
> > her?  Hey, what if she's black?) until they wound up with an
> original creation.
>
> It's a shame that the internet wasn't as prominent back in 1992 as it
> is now.  The behind-the-scenes stuff that pops-up for every book
> published today is one of the things that's missing about the history
> of these characters.  Aside from the information that appeared in the
> letters' column of the books themselves, I never saw much in the way
> of interviews/information about this series in magazines and such,
> and it wasn't until five years after the series was cancelled that I
> finally got internet access.  Unfortunately at that time, there was
> enough other comic series that had my attention that I never bothered
> to investigate The Protectors all that much (if there was even
> anything to find online).  Now it's at least 16 years later, a point
> in time where the people involved probably have forgotten a lot of
> the how's and why's, and I want to know everything about it.
>
> > It's not like the female, flying, energy-zapping Nightmask
> > bore all that much resemblance to the male, often super-strong,
> > occasionally telepathic Masked Marvel.
>
> But at least that was a natural progression of the series itself,
> with the original Night Mask's son taking-up the name & costume (with
> no powers), then Marcia Beckworth taking the name to honor Richard.
> For me, that kind of "big departure" from the original Masked Marvel
> is understandable.
>
> > The Widowmaker theory is interesting, and certainly as plausible as
> > any of mine.
>
> It IS a bit of stretch, I'll admit, since only the use of a weapon
> connects Widowmaker to Marksman.
>
> And since I have at least one person's ear:  What's the status on the
> proposed "Centaur Anthology" that was being talked about heavily
> earlier in the year?  Did it die a quiet death or is it still being
> worked on?
>

Roland,

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post, it's greatly
appreciated.

--- In malibuprotectors@yahoogroups.com, "Roland Mann"
<brolandmann@...> wrote:
> > At two points in time, a Witch project was mentioned, once in
> > Protectors # 4 [cover date Dec 92] as a one-shot and again in the
> > June 93 books where The Witch would have been a mini-series. How
> > much work was done on either project [plot, script, artwork]?
> >
>
> I do remember a rough plot (By R.A. If I remember correctly), and
Darick Robertson was going to draw it.

> > Would the mini-series [planned for "early '94"] have incorporated
the Reverend Gloom sub-plot that started in Protectors 15 & 17?
> >
>
> I think so...but don't hold me to that because I don't remember with
  certainty. I DO know that I worked hard with R.A. on the continuity.
R.A. was just as insistent on it as I was.

A real shame this didn't happen.  I like Robertson's artwork and
having him work on The Witch would have been cool to see, plus it
would have been nice to have that storyline resolved.  Gloom looked
like he might have been an interesting villian for the heroes to go
up against.

> > On a related note, also in the June 93 books, mini-series for
Mighty Man and Amazing Man were announced for "early '94"? Was any
work on these titles done?
> >
>
> Yes, I wrote a plot. Revised it a few times...but because of the
UV, it just never went anywhere. No art was done.

Were you going to work on both characters: Mighty Man and Amazing
Man?  Did you have a villian in mind for the series?

> > Thomas Derenick seemed to almost drop off the face of the Earth
after issue 18 (where he did the Mantoka back-up story). Was this due
to his taking a break or perhaps working on different Protectors
material? Checking some of the Database sites, it doesn't appear that
he was working on much of anything around that time.
> >
>
> We wanted to keep Thomas busy, but because of the cutting back,
there just wasn't much work to go around. I understand he's been
doing some work these days with Marvel.

I've noticed that he's been involved with DC's Shadowpact title, and
from what I've seen, it's some pretty darn good work.

Would he have ended-up working on one of the aborted mini-series
(Mighty Man or Amazing Man) had the line not been discontinued?

> > I read in one of the messages here Roland Mann's recollection of
the reasons why the line was cancelled by Malibu. Was any thought ever
  given to incorporating the Protectors' Universe into the Ultraverse
  line?
> >
>
> Yes.
> But the UV founders (y'know, the "big name" writers) were
absolutely 100% dead set against it. So it never happened.

That's ... frustrating to hear.  I know that the Ultraverse line was
hugely successful and it had some nice things going for it, but The
Protectors was a more classically-styled group of titles, which I
think over the long haul is a better approach to take.

> > And finally, why hasn't Willie Peppers gotten more work in the
comics industry? The guy was good artist and I enjoyed his work.
> >
>
> I LOVE Willie's work. Part of an editor's job is to discover
how "reliable" an artist is: ie., can they meet a deadline AND
maintain the quality. The work you see of Willies at Malibu was just
that. It was our intention to eventually get Willie on the "planned"
Widowmaker title. But again...it just never happened.

Maybe I shouldn't have asked any questions at all, because the more I
read of your responses, the more I miss The Protectors and "what
could have been".

I was always impressed with the fact that, considering he worked on
four different titles with seperate casts of characters, his artwork
was consistently good and it didn't seem that he had a problem
handling a large cast.  I'm really surprised he didn't end-up at
Marvel or DC at some point, because he does seem to have loads of
talent and seems to be able to draw just about anything and draw it
well.

Again, thanks for taking the time to respond.

Brian

--- In malibuprotectors@yahoogroups.com, "bchat85" <bchat85@...> wrote:

> Since we're on the subject, I myself have wondered if Widowmaker was
> meant to be a revised Marksman, but I suppose anyone could make that
> connection with any character that wielded a weapon (based on what
> little I know of the Marksman character).

Widowmaker is indeed the second name for one of them...but I'm having
troubles remember which one. It MAY have been Marksman, but that
doesn't sound right. I think the issue at the time was the original
name was being used by someone else and so we decided to change it
rather than risk any legal stuff.

> Given how much some of the characters had been changed from their
> Centaur originals (Ferret, for one, much to the better, imho.  He
was
> at least my favorite Wolverine clone to date, instead of an odd hero
> with flight & super-strength as his "ferret-like" powers),

Yeah, I don't see too many flying ferrets in real life.

I agree that The Ferret benefitted greatly from the major revamping
that was done.  One character they could have left alone was The
Arrow.  The original version (whether it be in blue or red) had a
nice design that could have worked well enough even way back in the
1990s.

> I could see where an editorial session could start out to
fix/update the Rainbow,
> and bounce around enough different concepts (Maybe give him
> light-based powers?  The team needs more women, what if we make him
a
> her?  Hey, what if she's black?) until they wound up with an
original creation.

It's a shame that the internet wasn't as prominent back in 1992 as it
is now.  The behind-the-scenes stuff that pops-up for every book
published today is one of the things that's missing about the history
of these characters.  Aside from the information that appeared in the
letters' column of the books themselves, I never saw much in the way
of interviews/information about this series in magazines and such,
and it wasn't until five years after the series was cancelled that I
finally got internet access.  Unfortunately at that time, there was
enough other comic series that had my attention that I never bothered
to investigate The Protectors all that much (if there was even
anything to find online).  Now it's at least 16 years later, a point
in time where the people involved probably have forgotten a lot of
the how's and why's, and I want to know everything about it.

> It's not like the female, flying, energy-zapping Nightmask
> bore all that much resemblance to the male, often super-strong,
> occasionally telepathic Masked Marvel.

But at least that was a natural progression of the series itself,
with the original Night Mask's son taking-up the name & costume (with
no powers), then Marcia Beckworth taking the name to honor Richard.
For me, that kind of "big departure" from the original Masked Marvel
is understandable.

> The Widowmaker theory is interesting, and certainly as plausible as
> any of mine.

It IS a bit of stretch, I'll admit, since only the use of a weapon
connects Widowmaker to Marksman.

And since I have at least one person's ear:  What's the status on the
proposed "Centaur Anthology" that was being talked about heavily
earlier in the year?  Did it die a quiet death or is it still being
worked on?

Given how much some of the characters had been changed from their
Centaur originals (Ferret, for one, much to the better, imho.  He was
at least my favorite Wolverine clone to date, instead of an odd hero
with flight & super-strength as his "ferret-like" powers), I could see
where an editorial session could start out to fix/update the Rainbow,
and bounce around enough different concepts (Maybe give him
light-based powers?  The team needs more women, what if we make him a
her?  Hey, what if she's black?) until they wound up with an original
creation.  It's not like the female, flying, energy-zapping Nightmask
bore all that much resemblance to the male, often super-strong,
occasionally telepathic Masked Marvel.  Of course, that's assuming
that anyone involved in the Protectors was even aware of a one-shot
wonder like the Rainbow in the first place.

The Widowmaker theory is interesting, and certainly as plausible as
any of mine.

-comicsnorth

I believe it was a Wikipedia entry (always a reliable source of
information ... haha) where I first saw someone say that Aura was
supposed to be Malibu's version of Rainbow.  I don't see the connection
since Rainbow didn't have any powers and Aura's costume was basically
white with only a small amount of color thrown-in.  I always just
assumed that Aura was an original creation for the series.

Since we're on the subject, I myself have wondered if Widowmaker was
meant to be a revised Marksman, but I suppose anyone could make that
connection with any character that wielded a weapon (based on what
little I know of the Marksman character).

Interesting thought about Witch/Super-Ann.  Aside from the name and the
mysterious never-quite-explained-fully connection to Mighty Man ("I've
dealt with her in the past and she can't be trusted"), being based on
Super-Ann would make more sense.  I know that Centaur was a little
light on female heroes, but I think the Protectors would have benefited
from The Witch remaining a villian.

It definitely would have been nice to see more of the Mantoka sub-plot.
Looking back on the series, the poor guy really got the short end of
the stick.  At least Nowhere Man got to be involved in the finale even
if whatever the original plans were for him got chucked out the window.

And I should have thrown this in with my other post:  It seemed like
The Ferret and Iron Skull were about to have a rematch with The Purple
Dragon in Ferret's book.  I'm interested to know if this would have
happened had the line not been cancelled.

Regarding the answers Roland Mann provided from R.A. Jones for this
group:  Mr Jones mentioned that the aborted Witch one-shot had a cover
finished by Darrick Robertson as well as a script ... has either popped-
up anywhere on the internet?

--- In malibuprotectors@yahoogroups.com, "comicsnorth"
<comicsnorth@...> wrote:
>
> I can't believe that I'd completely forgotten about Mantoka's
> appearances in Protectors!  Add me to the list of people who'd love
> to know what he supposedly found in that spaceship.
>
> And as long as we're thinking about Unsolved Malibu Mysteries, I've
> always wondered if the super-strong version of the Witch was actually
> intended as some sort of amalgamation of the Golden Age Witch and
> Mighty Man's co-star, Super-Ann.  Even further afield, was Aura
> supposed to be a super-powered and gender-switched counterpart to the
> Rainbow?
>
> -comicsnorth

I can't believe that I'd completely forgotten about Mantoka's
appearances in Protectors!  Add me to the list of people who'd love
to know what he supposedly found in that spaceship.

And as long as we're thinking about Unsolved Malibu Mysteries, I've
always wondered if the super-strong version of the Witch was actually
intended as some sort of amalgamation of the Golden Age Witch and
Mighty Man's co-star, Super-Ann.  Even further afield, was Aura
supposed to be a super-powered and gender-switched counterpart to the
Rainbow?

-comicsnorth
--- In malibuprotectors@yahoogroups.com, "bchat85" <bchat85@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey everyone!
>
> First of all, thanks for allowing me to join this group.
>
> I've been a fan of The Protectors since they first appeared in the
> comic shops way back when, and I enjoyed the entire line of books
> that were published.  I was disappointed when Malibu cancelled the
> line to focus on the Ultraverse (books which I personally didn't
care
> about), and for the past decade-plus have always wondered "what
might
> have been".
>
> I'm disappointed by the lack amount of information available on the
> internet regarding this series, but that's probably due to the fact
> that the internet wasn't as big a thing back in 1992 as it is now.
> There's a lot of "behind-the-scenes" type questions I have which at
> this point I can't see being answered accurately.
>
> I've painstakingly gone through all the messages and noticed that
> interviews had been set-up by Bradley Cobb .... did these
interviews
> ever happen?  I know Roland Mann is part of the group, and he was
> able to get some answers from R.A. Jones, but was Thomas Derenick
> ever contacted?  What about Chris Ulm, who was also involved with
the
> formation of the line?
>
> Specific questions I had were (and no, I don't expect anyone to
> answer any of them, I'm just throwing them out there):
>
> I was curious as to what artist(s) helped design the bulk of The
> Protectors characters?  Jerry Bingham seemed to do a lot of early
> pictures of the team: how much was he involved early-on in the
> creation process?  How many characters were designed by Thomas
> Derenick?  I know he designed Iron Skull, but who else?
>
> At two points in time, a Witch project was mentioned, once in
> Protectors # 4 [cover date Dec 92] as a one-shot and again in the
> June 93 books where The Witch would have been a mini-series.  How
> much work was done on either project [plot, script, artwork]? Would
> the mini-series [planned for "early '94"] have incorporated the
> Reverend Gloom sub-plot that started in Protectors 15 & 17?
>
> On a related note, also in the June 93 books, mini-series for
Mighty
> Man and Amazing Man were announced for "early '94"?  Was any work
on
> these titles done?
>
> Is there any indication what the planned ideas for Mantoka and
> Nowhere Man were before the books were cancelled?  I would imagine
> that Mr Jones had some ideas scribbled down somewhere for each and
I
> was curious as to what they were.  Twice Mantoka appeared in The
> Protectors (in issues 10 & 18), apparently to set-up a plot that
> looked to involve an alien spaceship, but the poor guy doesn't even
> appear in the grand finale like Nowhere Man does.
>
> Issue 10 of the Ferret seemed to cut the hero's ties from the team
> completely.  Anyone know what the plans for that title might have
> been for further issues?
>
> Thomas Derenick seemed to almost drop off the face of the Earth
after
> issue 18 (where he did the Mantoka back-up story).  Was this due to
> his taking a break or perhaps working on different Protectors
> material?  Checking some of the Database sites, it doesn't appear
> that he was working on much of anything around that time.
>
> I read in one of the messages here Roland Mann's recollection of
the
> reasons why the line was cancelled by Malibu.  Was any thought ever
> given to incorporating the Protectors' Universe into the Ultraverse
> line?
>
> And finally, why hasn't Willie Peppers gotten more work in the
comics
> industry?  The guy was good artist and I enjoyed his work.
>

Hey everyone!

First of all, thanks for allowing me to join this group.

I've been a fan of The Protectors since they first appeared in the
comic shops way back when, and I enjoyed the entire line of books
that were published.  I was disappointed when Malibu cancelled the
line to focus on the Ultraverse (books which I personally didn't care
about), and for the past decade-plus have always wondered "what might
have been".

I'm disappointed by the lack amount of information available on the
internet regarding this series, but that's probably due to the fact
that the internet wasn't as big a thing back in 1992 as it is now.
There's a lot of "behind-the-scenes" type questions I have which at
this point I can't see being answered accurately.

I've painstakingly gone through all the messages and noticed that
interviews had been set-up by Bradley Cobb .... did these interviews
ever happen?  I know Roland Mann is part of the group, and he was
able to get some answers from R.A. Jones, but was Thomas Derenick
ever contacted?  What about Chris Ulm, who was also involved with the
formation of the line?

Specific questions I had were (and no, I don't expect anyone to
answer any of them, I'm just throwing them out there):

I was curious as to what artist(s) helped design the bulk of The
Protectors characters?  Jerry Bingham seemed to do a lot of early
pictures of the team: how much was he involved early-on in the
creation process?  How many characters were designed by Thomas
Derenick?  I know he designed Iron Skull, but who else?

At two points in time, a Witch project was mentioned, once in
Protectors # 4 [cover date Dec 92] as a one-shot and again in the
June 93 books where The Witch would have been a mini-series.  How
much work was done on either project [plot, script, artwork]? Would
the mini-series [planned for "early '94"] have incorporated the
Reverend Gloom sub-plot that started in Protectors 15 & 17?

On a related note, also in the June 93 books, mini-series for Mighty
Man and Amazing Man were announced for "early '94"?  Was any work on
these titles done?

Is there any indication what the planned ideas for Mantoka and
Nowhere Man were before the books were cancelled?  I would imagine
that Mr Jones had some ideas scribbled down somewhere for each and I
was curious as to what they were.  Twice Mantoka appeared in The
Protectors (in issues 10 & 18), apparently to set-up a plot that
looked to involve an alien spaceship, but the poor guy doesn't even
appear in the grand finale like Nowhere Man does.

Issue 10 of the Ferret seemed to cut the hero's ties from the team
completely.  Anyone know what the plans for that title might have
been for further issues?

Thomas Derenick seemed to almost drop off the face of the Earth after
issue 18 (where he did the Mantoka back-up story).  Was this due to
his taking a break or perhaps working on different Protectors
material?  Checking some of the Database sites, it doesn't appear
that he was working on much of anything around that time.

I read in one of the messages here Roland Mann's recollection of the
reasons why the line was cancelled by Malibu.  Was any thought ever
given to incorporating the Protectors' Universe into the Ultraverse
line?

And finally, why hasn't Willie Peppers gotten more work in the comics
industry?  The guy was good artist and I enjoyed his work.

Yup, Wonder Woman's home was called Paradise Island back then, and at
least from time to time today (when DC isn't blowing it up again), so
I don't see any real conflict in that regard.  Likewise, the several
one-shot "amazon islands" that popped up in the Superman Family
titles from time to time in the Silver Age are unlikely to have
registered enough with anyone for them to conflict either.  I just
found it interesting that Centaur got there first, even if nothing
ever came of it.

For that matter, considering Man of War's origins: a patriotically
garbed super-powered "Warrior For Peace" with a gold eagle on his
chest, created from inanimate matter by one of the Olympian Gods, if
he isn't Wonder Woman's predecessor, he's at least her older brother!

-comicsnorth
--- In malibuprotectors@yahoogroups.com, Darci <darci386@...> wrote:
>
> Wasn't Wonder Woman's home called Paradise Island back then?  That
would leave this name free for the Centaur universe.
> Hope this helps,
> Darci
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: comicsnorth <comicsnorth@...>
> To: malibuprotectors@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2008 10:54:45 AM
> Subject: [MalibuProtectors] Re: Locations in the Centaur
Universe... your help would be appreciated
>
>                 For those still interested in the various locations
more-or-less
> unique to the Centaurverse, I've recently found a new one: Amazon
> Island, from Liberty Scouts #2, June, 1941 (which I assume would
have
> predated Wonder Woman's better known homeland, which debuted in All-
> Star #8, Dec. 1941).  Amazon Island made its first, and presumably
> only, appearance in the "Lucky Lew" feature, in which Lew Gates (a
> relative of the Conqueror, Bolton Gates, perhaps?), armed with what
> can only be described as the power of dumb luck (not unlike his
> bookmate, Dopey Danny Day) gets breifly marooned on said island,
> ruled by a queen and populated with the usual scantily clad women.
> Oddly, while Lew is feted as if he's the first man they've seen in
> ages, during the course of his stay, we find that the Amazons have
> regular radio contact with the USA, and have active shipping ports
on
> at least two sides of their island.  With such regular contact with
> the outer world, one has to wonder what, besides his dumb luck, Lew
> had that made him so special to the Amazons.  Since he started his
> adventures in New York, and ended his story in Havana, I'm assuming
> that Amazon Island is somewhere in the Atlantic.  In my opinion,
the
> fact that it has so much contact with the rest of the world somehow
> makes it an even stranger place than Aquatania or Atlantia.
>
> -comicsnorth
>
>
>
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For those still interested in the various locations more-or-less
unique to the Centaurverse, I've recently found a new one: Amazon
Island, from Liberty Scouts #2, June, 1941 (which I assume would have
predated Wonder Woman's better known homeland, which debuted in All-
Star #8, Dec. 1941).  Amazon Island made its first, and presumably
only, appearance in the "Lucky Lew" feature, in which Lew Gates (a
relative of the Conqueror, Bolton Gates, perhaps?), armed with what
can only be described as the power of dumb luck (not unlike his
bookmate, Dopey Danny Day) gets breifly marooned on said island,
ruled by a queen and populated with the usual scantily clad women.
Oddly, while Lew is feted as if he's the first man they've seen in
ages, during the course of his stay, we find that the Amazons have
regular radio contact with the USA, and have active shipping ports on
at least two sides of their island.  With such regular contact with
the outer world, one has to wonder what, besides his dumb luck, Lew
had that made him so special to the Amazons.  Since he started his
adventures in New York, and ended his story in Havana, I'm assuming
that Amazon Island is somewhere in the Atlantic.  In my opinion, the
fact that it has so much contact with the rest of the world somehow
makes it an even stranger place than Aquatania or Atlantia.

-comicsnorth

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