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Maimonides and his Halachic Ruling Concerning the Growing of Beards   Message List  
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Re: M and his Halachic Ruling Concerning the Growing of Beards--Listserve Intervention

My friends, Jonathan and Scott, and all others, Shalom!

I'm sorry if I offended anyone on this thread. If you look closely at the
discussions we've had on this subject, it was not me that started the insulting
language. Unfortunately, it was the other fellow who disputed with me that used
first the insulting language. And while I may have countered by using his own
style, this was only done to waken him up to what I felt to be a gross error
with his understanding of the issues at hand.

Yes, the subject matter is a disputed issue in Halachic circles. But as in all
disputes, there is a correct side and there is a wrong side to the picture. Not
all those professing to be skilled in Maimonides' Code of Jewish law (Mishne
Torah), obviously, are not necessarily capable of instructing others on halachic
matters. After many long years of studying Maimonides does one begin to fathom
the depth of his mind and thoughts! (I say this without referring to any person
in particular, neither do I do exclude myself from this category).

While I enjoy debates, I do agree that they should be respectable and civilized.
I'm sad to see that my friend has chosen to cut-off this discussion, despite the
proofs shown to him. I have no further reason to convince someone who doesn't
want to be convinced of the truth, and chooses rather to see it his own way -
despite the clear position of Orthodox Jewry on the "mitzvah" of beard growing.

Sincerely,
David



--- In maimonides@yahoogroups.com, Scott Alexander <scottmalexander@...> wrote:
>
> I am sorry to intervene in this so late in the game, but I have been
> busy with the khametz. We really can't have this level of flaming on
> the listserve. Since I have not been following so closely, I do not
> know who started it but from what little I read below, David Ben Abraham
> should really have recognized that the statement he made below was made
> in anger and that is a very bad middah. As listserve fuhrer I sentence
> him to review Deot in MT (Not a bad idea. Maybe I will too!).
>
> After all, Jonathan is a perfectly good fellow, a longtime contributor
> to the listserve, and runs a very useful Rambam related website that I
> feel privileged to be able to turn to on a regular basis. And I
> recognize that David is pretty authoritative on Yemenite halakhot and
> minhag.
>
> Nonetheless, I think it would be best if we could turn to another subject.
>
> Shalom u'vrakha
> Scott Alexander
>
> Jonathan Baker wrote:
> >
> >
> >> My dear Jon, Shalom!
> >>
> >
> > A weird greeting, given that it is followed by gratuitous insult:
> >
> >
> >> I will excuse your rudeness at this time. Did you say that you were not
Jew=
> >> ish?
> >>
> >
> > I think we have nothing left to say to one another. You elide explicit
> > Rambams while claiming to follow the Rambam, while accusing me of not
> > being Jewish just because I don't have the same understanding of psak
> > that you do.
> >
> > --
> > name: jon baker web: http://www.panix.com/~jjbaker
> > address: jjbaker@... blog: http://thanbook.blogspot.com
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Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:59 am

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TO OUR DEAR READERS: Since those with whom I have been engaged in this topic of 'whether or not it is a mitzvah to grow out a beard' have complained to me that...
davidbenabraham
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Oct 12, 2008
10:14 am

Of course, if one uses a razor, one is liable (Hayyav) for lashes from the Torah. But, if one used a depilatory or some such method, one is exempt (paTur), but...
mikha'el
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Oct 20, 2008
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... Really? I've never seen the category of "patur aval assur" except in issues of shabbat. ... False. Unless you're a chasid - chasidim have mystical...
Jonathan Baker
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Oct 23, 2008
7:42 pm

Jon Baker (alias: Joshua), Shalom! It is clear, moreover, that we do not pasken like Jon Baker, or Joshua, or any of his like. We do pasken like Rambam in this...
davidbenabraham
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Mar 16, 2009
12:25 pm

... Exsqueeze me? My name is not Joshua, nor is it Dr. Falken. My name is what it is. I have a (non-Jewish, unfortunately) nephew named Joshua, though. ... ...
Jonathan Baker
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Mar 16, 2009
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My dear friend Jon, Sorry if I misconstrued your writing style for being that of Joshua's. He's one of my old pals who has been most voiciferous about the...
davidbenabraham
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Mar 17, 2009
11:00 am

... And my point is that in fact the Rambam doesn't rule like you want him to have done. Nor do later halachists. ... Duh. It's like "we don't determine the...
Jonathan Baker
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Mar 17, 2009
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My dear Jon, Shalom! I will excuse your rudeness at this time. Did you say that you were not Jewish? Note that the Boraitta quoted by me permits the use of...
davidbenabraham
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Mar 18, 2009
9:29 am

... I think we have nothing left to say to one another. You elide explicit Rambams while claiming to follow the Rambam, while accusing me of not being Jewish...
Jonathan Baker
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Mar 18, 2009
11:38 pm

I am sorry to intervene in this so late in the game, but I have been busy with the khametz. We really can't have this level of flaming on the listserve....
Scott Alexander
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Mar 19, 2009
1:34 am

My friends, Jonathan and Scott, and all others, Shalom! I'm sorry if I offended anyone on this thread. If you look closely at the discussions we've had on this...
davidbenabraham
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Mar 19, 2009
8:59 am

No. Now I am offended. I wrote you a nice note gently warning you not to abuse your privilege of using this listserve. I had previously noticed problems. ...
Scott Alexander
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