Sam,

Thanks for the additional info. I'm somewhat puzzled though, since I thought I
recalled Jim Lesczynski being hardcore libertarian, and from your issues you
sound fairly solidly libertarian yourself. If it's just a personality conflict,
it seems odd there would be others assisting Jim in attacking you (as you
describe it).

I don't get up to Marin much, since I live in SF and don't own a car. But if
you come down to the city sometimes, perhaps I'll see you at our meetings or
other happenings here.

The LPSF meets on the second Saturday each month. We have been meeting from
3-5pm at the main library (corner of Larkin and Grove streets near City Hall),
usually in the 4th floor Sycip Room, occasionally in the community meeting room
on the 1st floor, followed by a social at nearby Ananda Fuara restaurant (corner
of Market and Larkin streets) from 5-6pm or whenever people feel done.

Recently our new chair Phil Berg wanted to try meeting for only an hour and our
new secretary Mike Denny was hoping to host meetings at his house since he has
to watch his kids that day. So this coming month we'll be experimenting with
that format and location. Mike is at 3329 Cabrillo Street (at 34th Avenue), in
the Richmond district.

You say on your campaign page that you are running because you don't feel any
of the other candidates are suitable. Have you felt this way in the past, or
only this year? If the latter, what do you think makes this year's field worse?

Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))


On Feb 14, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Sam Sloan wrote:

> Thank you for your prompt response.
>
> I am living in the Marinwood section of San Rafael. My address is:
>
> Sam Sloan
> 461 Peachstone Terrace
> San Rafael CA 94903
>
> I am here serving as the administrator of the estate of a close friend who
died.
>
> My campaign website is here:
>
> http://www.anusha.com/sam4pres.htm
>
> Admittedly it is primitive and needs work.
>
> In answer to your other questions, I can tell you that the main people
> with a history of attacking me are Jim Lesczynski and Ron Moore,
> assisted by Richard Cooper and a few others. I do not have even the
> slightest idea why they do this and I wish I knew. All I can tell you
> is that it started at the January 2002 State Committee Meeting in
> Richard Coopers office in Long Island NY and has been going on ever
> since. They have prevented me from getting on the ballot even when
> nobody else wanted to run for that office. A mutual friend once asked
> Jim Lesczynski why he attacks me all the time and Jim Lesczynski
> replied "I just don't like the guy, that's all".
>
> I am most happy that you have copied this email to Libertarians in
> Marin County. I look forward to participating in Libertarian Party
> events in Marin and in San Francisco.
>
> Sam Sloan
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
>> Sam,
>>
>> Thanks for writing. I did not have yourself or any other specific
candidates in mind when I came up with what I wrote to the LNC below and do not
claim to know who the full list of people running may be, but I agree that you
should be listed on LP.org along with any other LP presidential contenders.
>>
>> From what you say it sounds like there is a whole history there, but
if you care to go into it any further, perhaps you can tell me who are the
members of this faction you mention, and what are their concerns or reasons for
doing the things you describe.
>>
>> In any case, I encourage you to get involved with your local
Libertarian Party in Marin County if you're living there full-time now. I
believe they have an active chapter. I'm copying Paul Kelley on this message; he
should be able to provide you with more info. There is also a Ron Paul Meetup in
Marin, if you are supporting Ron Paul for the GOP nomination (not a conflict
with seeking the LP's presidential nod as far as I'm concerned). You can join
that group at <RonPaul-568@...>.
>>
>> I don't subscribe to the lists you copied on your original message (
LPQC <LPQC@yahoogroups.com>, manhattanlibertarians@yahoogroups.com,
lpny_manhattan <lpny_manhattan@yahoogroups.com>, lpny_bronx
<lpny_bronx@yahoogroups.com>, lpny_discuss@yahoogroups.com, lpkc
<lpny_kings@yahoogroups.com>, Brooklyn_LP@yahoogroups.com,
libertarian@yahoogroups.com ), and my emails to them would just bounce, so I
removed them from the "cc" list before responding.
>>
>> While we're chatting, do you have a website or platform for your
presidential campaign? Why are you running, and what do you hope to accomplish?
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>>
>>
>> Copied on original email:
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Sam Sloan wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Mr. Starchild,
>>>
>>> Perhaps you will recall meeting me and talking to me at the 2008
>>> Libertarian National Convention in Denver and the 2010 Libertarian
>>> National Convention in St. Louis.
>>>
>>> For the past 30 years I have been shifting back and forth between
>>> living in either Berkeley or San Rafael California and/or in New York
>>> City. Now I am living more or less permanently in San Rafael,
>>> California. You are welcome to come to visit my home at any time if
>>> you happen to be in the area.
>>>
>>> I have been a registered voter in California as a Libertarian Party
>>> member for at least twelve years. I have never been a registered voter
>>> for any other party in California. I first joined the Libertarian
>>> Party in 1973. I have never been a member of any other political party
>>> in my entire life.
>>>
>>> However, since 2002 a faction of the New York Libertarian Party has
>>> waged a campaign to stop me and block me from running for any
>>> political office. There are two factions of the New York Libertarian
>>> Party. One faction keeps nominating me for various political offices,
>>> the other keeps filing objections with the New York Board of Elections
>>> to kick me off the ballot.
>>>
>>> This has happened too many times to even count them. For example, I
>>> would have been the Libertarian Party Candidate for Governor of New
>>> York in 2011, but Chris Garvey, a member of the opposing faction who
>>> usually runs as a candidate for judge, filed objections with the Board
>>> of Elections as a result of which I was kicked off the ballot and an
>>> anti-Libertarian who is not even in the slightest way a Libertarian
>>> and was not a party member became the "Libertarian Party Candidate".
>>>
>>> By the way, in the course of doing this, the New York Libertarian
>>> Party defrauded the National Libertarian Party by getting the National
>>> Libertarian Party to give the New York Libertarian Party $50,000 for
>>> "ballot access". That $50,000 went to help the anti-Libertarian who
>>> openly stated that he was just running for governor to make money and
>>> would not be doing any campaigning at all.
>>>
>>> Now, after ten solid years of a faction of the New York Libertarian
>>> Party stopping me from running for public office, I have declared
>>> myself to be a candidate for US President. This has caused the leader
>>> of the opposing faction to threaten me with dire consequences if I do
>>> not withdraw my candidacy.
>>>
>>> The members of the opposing faction are in contact with the national
>>> office. This explains the curious fact that the National Office keeps
>>> changing the rules so as to keep me off the list of candidates at
>>> lp.org. You have already noticed that every other candidate but me is
>>> on the list.
>>>
>>> Therefore I especially appreciate your letter below which essentially
>>> asks them to explain why every other declared candidate is on their
>>> list but mine is not.
>>>
>>> Sam Sloan
>>> San Rafael California
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In lpsf-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Starchild <sfdreamer@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Members of the Libertarian National Committee,
>>>>
>>>> I understand there is a significant ongoing controversy over which
candidates for president shall be listed on our party's national website,
LP.org, and which rules determine those listings.
>>>>
>>>> While our party’s rules do not unambiguously prohibit the party chair,
executive director, or Libertarian National Committee from giving some
candidates for the LP presidential nomination an advantage over others, neither
do they offer firm support to those who say the LNC — let alone the chair or
executive director acting unilaterally — has the authority to arbitrarily
exclude candidates they deem “not serious” from being listed on LP.org.
>>>>
>>>> Bylaw 8.1 states that “The National Committee shall have control and
management of all the affairs, properties and funds of the Party consistent with
these Bylaws.” But it seems rather a stretch to assume that party leaders taking
actions which amount to picking presidential winners and losers prior to the
convention is “consistent with these Bylaws”, when our bylaws clearly set forth
nomination requirements for presidential and vice-presidential candidates in
Article 14 which do not establish any leadership role in the selection process
prior to the presidential nominating convention.
>>>>
>>>> I believe the spirit, though apparently not the letter, of our bylaws
dictates that party leaders must in their official capacities remain strictly
neutral in the LP presidential race until the party has is a nominee, and that
listing some candidates on the party’s website but not others is a violation of
that neutrality.
>>>>
>>>> However I think the LNC could remain effectively neutral while still
providing tools on the website that allow people looking at candidates listed
there to do their own filtering, as long as such filtering tools were designed
as neutrally as possible. For instance, the section or page of LP.org pertaining
to 2012 Libertarian presidential candidates could feature a menu with multiple
check boxes including:
>>>>
>>>> [ ] List candidates who are seeking the Libertarian Party presidential
nomination exclusively
>>>>
>>>> [ ] List candidates who have filed with the Federal Elections Commission
to run as Libertarians
>>>>
>>>> [ ] List candidates with current websites including contact information
>>>>
>>>> [ ] List candidates who are dues-paying members of the Libertarian Party
>>>>
>>>> [ ] List candidates who have signed a statement in support of the
Non-Aggression Principle
>>>>
>>>> [ ] List candidates who have signed a statement of support for the
current Libertarian Party platform
>>>>
>>>> [ ] List candidates who have raised and reported no less than $2500 in
donations, not counting self-donated money or donations from immediate family
members
>>>>
>>>> [ ] List candidates who have raised and reported no less than $5000 in
donations, not counting self-donated money or donations from immediate family
members
>>>>
>>>> [ ] List all candidates who have declared an interest in seeking the
Libertarian Party’s presidential nomination
>>>>
>>>> By checking as many or as few of these boxes as desired, each website
visitor could choose his or her own preferred filters before viewing the list of
presidential candidates, thus avoiding seeing the listings of any candidates who
did not meet his or her chosen criteria.
>>>>
>>>> I believe this approach, relying on bottom-up choice rather than
top-down control to filter less serious or desirable candidates, would preserve
the essential neutrality of Libertarian Party officials in the presidential
nominee selection process, and thereby avoid going against the spirit of our
bylaws.
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to hearing your feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>> Libertarian Party of California Executive Committee At-Large
Representative*
>>>>
>>>> P.S. - As always when writing the LNC, I welcome and encourage responses
from all members, and specifically request responses from my California
representatives, to let me know whether they support this proposal or not, and
what actions they have taken and/or intend to take on this issue.
>>>>
>>>> *title provided for identification purposes; the views expressed above are
my own (though perhaps shared by many party members)
>>>>
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