The Washington Times
http://www.washtimes.com

Assault rifles for Annan guards investigated
Stewart Stogel
SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Published 2/21/2002

NEW YORK - The U.S. government is investigating
whether the United Nations illegally imported and
issued paramilitary assault rifles to
Secretary-General Kofi Annan's security detail.

Sources in the U.N. Security and Safety Service say
that the members of Mr. Annan's personal protective
detail have been using the German-made MP5 submachine
guns since 1998, despite an apparent failure to obtain
U.S. clearance for their use.

U.N. officials say that the use of the highly
restricted firearm has been cleared with U.S.
authorities.

But Mike Campbell, a spokesman for the Treasury
Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms,
confirmed in an interview that an inquiry into the
U.N. personnel's use of the weapon was initiated two
weeks ago.

The dispute is made even more sensitive by the fact
that Mr. Annan himself led a U.N. effort last summer
to stem the production and sale of small arms around
the world, an effort that drew criticism from U.S.
gun-ownership groups and from the Bush administration.

"There is no single tool of conflict so widespread, so
easily available and so difficult to restrict as small
arms," Mr. Annan told a special meeting of the
Security Council in July.

The MP5, described by its German manufacturer Heckler
and Koch GmbH as a "paramilitary assault rifle"
commonly used by police SWAT squads, is just one of
several varieties of assault weapons currently in the
possession of the United Nations, said one U.N.
official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

America's use of the MP5 is normally limited to
law-enforcement organizations, Mr. Campbell said.
Importation of the submachine gun is tightly
controlled, he said.

The United States does not consider the U.N. security
service a law-enforcement organization and thus deems
it ineligible to possess weapons such as the MP5,
according to a State Department official.

"If the United Nations had applied for permission to
obtain these guns, most likely it would have been
rejected" again, said the official, who requested
anonymity.

The State Department official said the United Nations
first approached the U.S. government for permission to
purchase the MP5 in early 1998 and was refused. Just
how Mr. Annan's security detail obtained the weapons
is the focus of the U.S. government probe.

Michael McCann, who has directed U.N. security
operations since 1994, refused to comment on the
issue, but U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard denied any
wrongdoing.

Mr. Eckhard said he had checked with the security
service and was told that all the necessary licenses
for the weapons carried by U.N. personnel had been
obtained.

"I flatly reject the notion any laws have been
broken," he said.

An American citizen and a veteran of the New York
Police Department, Mr. McCann has been a frequent
target of criticism by both U.N. diplomats and staff
over security at the New York site.

On September 11, it took hours to evacuate the U.N.
headquarters after the plane attacks on the World
Trade Center; employees at the Twin Towers were
evacuated in 45 minutes.

Several staffers described the evacuation process as
"mass confusion."

Umberto Ravalico, Mr. McCann's predecessor, rejected
the use of the MP5 guns. U.N. sources said that Mr.
Ravalico felt they were "too dangerous" for use within
New York City.

Although the United States cannot control the use of
such weapons inside the U.N. compound, U.S. laws do
apply if the weapons are carried outside.

Documents obtained by The Washington Times indicate
that U.N. submachine guns frequently leave U.N.
headquarters, accompanying Mr. Annan on trips around
the New York area and for use in target-practice
sessions for U.N. officers at a shooting range on Long
Island.

A U.N. document on training standards for security
officers appears to note the sensitivity of taking the
MP5 outside the U.N. headquarters building.

For the twice-yearly proficiency tests required for
security officers, the officers and the weapons are
transported to the range in a vehicle provided by the
U.N. security service.

If officers travel to the range on their own, they
cannot bring their firearm with them.

"Under no circumstances should a United Nations weapon
be transported in a private vehicle," according to a
U.N. instruction sheet titled "Qualification on the
Service MP5." The passage is highlighted in bold-face
type.

Conventions on diplomatic immunity do not apply to
weapons possession. A survey of the United Nations'
five permanent Security Council members — the United
States, Britain, France, China and Russia — found that
only U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte was assigned an
armed protective detail.

He has only a small security detachment with standard
sidearms, according to a State Department spokesman.

There has never been an assault on a U.N.
secretary-general in the United States. While in the
United States, Mr. Annan is protected by U.N.
security, the New York police force and by the State
Department's Diplomatic Security Service, depending on
the circumstances.

An official at the Diplomatic Security Service said
the U.S. government has no way to track the movement
of U.N.-issued weapons.

"It is a matter between the U.N. and local
jurisdictions," he said.

The official also acknowledged there was no way the
Diplomatic Security Service could independently verify
that the United Nations was in compliance with local
laws whenever the weapons left the compound. That is
in marked contrast to the rules governing foreign
embassies, which are under tight restrictions on the
ownership and transportation of any firearms.

Currently, the United Nations has more than 20
officers in the MP5 qualification program. The
majority of participants are foreign nationals, which
has raised additional concerns at the State Department
and ATF.

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Gun Sales Tied Up Nationwide
By Associated Press
February 20, 2002, 12:33 PM EST

DENVER -- A minor change in a form for federal
background checks blocked gun sales across the country
this week because the new paperwork didn't reach
dealers on time.

"We didn't know about it until (Tuesday) morning when
sales clerks called the Colorado Bureau of
Investigation and they said they wouldn't process any
more background checks unless they were on the new
forms," said Dave Anver, president of Dave's Guns, the
largest gun dealer in Colorado.

"No one in the entire state could make any sales
without the new form," Anver said.

Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms spokesman Dave
McCombs confirmed Wednesday that the forms were never
mailed.

The company hired to print the forms couldn't complete
the order, McCombs said. Because of that, ATF offices
have been inundated with requests to have the forms
faxed, he said.

"I've got everyone I have working for me and we've
still got 100 or so dealers waiting for the new form,"
McCombs said. He faxed more than 200 forms on Tuesday.

Federally licensed dealers are required to get
criminal background checks on gun buyers before
approving sales.

The Colorado Bureau of Investigation, which conducts
the checks for dealers in Colorado, was bombarded with
calls Tuesday, said CBI agent Mike Igoe.

Igoe said the ATF notified him of the change last
week, but when he contacted some of the state's
largest dealers, none had received even the
notification letter.

"They truly have something to be angry about," he
said. "They had to stop and get the proper form to
conduct any business."

Most dealers expected to have at least a faxed version
of the form on Wednesday, but McCombs said he wasn't
sure when the problem would be resolved.

Anver said the new forms have boxes where applicants
must check their ethnicity, rather than writing it in
as they did before, and they require a specific
location if the sale is made at a gun show.

The ATF announced the change in October in a letter to
all federally licensed firearms dealers.

On the Net:

ATF: http://www.atf.treas.gov/

CBI: http://cbi.state.co.us/

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-gun-sale-glitch0220feb20.sto\
ry

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heheheh... is New Mexico... which is actually only about 50 miles from my
backyard a FOREIGN COUNTRY?  LOL

c.

----- Original Message -----
From: "valentine michael smith" <bkoehler8@...>
To: <lpnm-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [LPNM-discuss] Join Libertarians4Peace


> "Stay out of foreign entanglements"  George Washington
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carol Moore in DC <info@...>
> To: lpnm-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpnm-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, February 17, 2002 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [LPNM-discuss] Join Libertarians4Peace
>
>
> >Decide for yourself...http://www.carolmoore.net/
> >    There's nothing wrong with voluntary hippie-ism, voluntary
> >community, voluntary communist economics (which is fine if other people
> >are supporting me -hohohohoho but not if everyone wants to be supported
> >:-), voluntary patriotism, voluntary alternate lifystyles, etc etc.
> >Unfortunately, don't remember getting an impression of Chuck.  Say hello
> >in Indiana.
> >
> >Gold Standard Press wrote:
> >
> >>  It just won't go away.... LOL
> >>
> >> Is this the same Carol "commie" Moore who was our favorite hippie in
> >> Seattle, WA 1987 LP convention?  :>)
> >>
> >> What do they say?  First impressions are lasting impressions....
> >>
> >> :>)
> >>
> >> Chuck Geshlider
> >> Vice Chairman, PACE -- Patriots Assuring Clean Elections
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Carol Moore in DC" <info@...>
> >> To: "bccs of" <info@...>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:46 PM
> >> Subject: [LPNM-discuss] Join Libertarians4Peace
> >>
> >>
> >> > LIBERTARIANS FOR PEACE
> >> > Protect America - By Ending U.S. Interventionism and Imperialism
> >> > Let's Make the LP the Peace Party!
> >> > We are Libertarians who are committed to
> >> > promoting an end to United States military
> >> > intervention which we believe promotes a
> >> > militarily interventionist and imperialist agenda that
> >> > benefits powerful government and corporate
> >> > special interests at the expense of the lives, liberty
> >> > and prosperity of Americans and of all peoples
> >> > worldwide.  We reach out to local peace activists
> >> > and groups and encourage libertarians to run as
> >> > Libertarian Party peace candidates.  We are
> >> > running candidates for the Libertarian National
> >> > Committee in order to make non-intervention and
> >> > peace issues a more central focus of national
> >> > Libertarian Party organizing.
> >> > Http://www.libertarians4peace.net
> >> >
> >> > Discussion List for Non-Intervention and Peace Issues
> >> > E-mail Libs4peace-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >> > or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libs4peace
> >> >
> >> > Organizing list only, especially for 2002 Convention
> >> > E-mail Organize-Libs4peace-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >> > or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organize-libs4peace
> >> >
> >> > Each list has about 40 members, with about a 10 member overlap.
> >> >
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> >> fridge
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I am not sure you would remember... I was a newbie at the time; having been
summoned by the Ron Paul camp, and watching the "Meanies" in complete
disbelief!  LOL  I remember you being quite the icon for that "world".   Am
I correct?

We did speak briefly.... some laced with my NY sarcasm, so perhaps you would
remember.  Indiana?  Not sure I really have any affinity for the LP any
longer.  I have very little stomach for communism... even voluntary.
Lifelong indentured servitude to a collective where the folks volunteer into
it, may actually be worse than seeing a society force into it!  At least
with the latter the people have some sort of excuse for their insanity!

However... if the LP starts REALLY desiring to Win, I could be persuaded
back in.  We are affording them every chance to duplicate what they have
achieved in Leadville, CO, right here in wTexas.

I believe the LPNM would be interested in PACE's plan.  Y'all have a similar
situation in your state, of which you can take advantage.   When is your
state LP convention?


Chuck Geshlider
Vice Chairman, PACE -- Patriots Assuring Clean Elections

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol Moore in DC" <info@...>
To: <lpnm-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [LPNM-discuss] Join Libertarians4Peace


> Decide for yourself...http://www.carolmoore.net/
>     There's nothing wrong with voluntary hippie-ism, voluntary
> community, voluntary communist economics (which is fine if other people
> are supporting me -hohohohoho but not if everyone wants to be supported
> :-), voluntary patriotism, voluntary alternate lifystyles, etc etc.
> Unfortunately, don't remember getting an impression of Chuck.  Say hello
> in Indiana.
>
> Gold Standard Press wrote:
>
> >  It just won't go away.... LOL
> >
> > Is this the same Carol "commie" Moore who was our favorite hippie in
> > Seattle, WA 1987 LP convention?  :>)
> >
> > What do they say?  First impressions are lasting impressions....
> >
> > :>)
> >
> > Chuck Geshlider
> > Vice Chairman, PACE -- Patriots Assuring Clean Elections
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carol Moore in DC" <info@...>
> > To: "bccs of" <info@...>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:46 PM
> > Subject: [LPNM-discuss] Join Libertarians4Peace
> >
> >
> > > LIBERTARIANS FOR PEACE
> > > Protect America - By Ending U.S. Interventionism and Imperialism
> > > Let's Make the LP the Peace Party!
> > > We are Libertarians who are committed to
> > > promoting an end to United States military
> > > intervention which we believe promotes a
> > > militarily interventionist and imperialist agenda that
> > > benefits powerful government and corporate
> > > special interests at the expense of the lives, liberty
> > > and prosperity of Americans and of all peoples
> > > worldwide.  We reach out to local peace activists
> > > and groups and encourage libertarians to run as
> > > Libertarian Party peace candidates.  We are
> > > running candidates for the Libertarian National
> > > Committee in order to make non-intervention and
> > > peace issues a more central focus of national
> > > Libertarian Party organizing.
> > > Http://www.libertarians4peace.net
> > >
> > > Discussion List for Non-Intervention and Peace Issues
> > > E-mail Libs4peace-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libs4peace
> > >
> > > Organizing list only, especially for 2002 Convention
> > > E-mail Organize-Libs4peace-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organize-libs4peace
> > >
> > > Each list has about 40 members, with about a 10 member overlap.
> > >
> > > Contribute for mailing expenses to 2002 Delegates and Libertarian
> > Party
> > > Congressional candidates.  Buy cool libertarian peace buttons or
> > fridge
> > > magnets.
> > >
> > >
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"Stay out of foreign entanglements"  George Washington

-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Moore in DC <info@...>
To: lpnm-discuss@yahoogroups.com <lpnm-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, February 17, 2002 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [LPNM-discuss] Join Libertarians4Peace


>Decide for yourself...http://www.carolmoore.net/
>    There's nothing wrong with voluntary hippie-ism, voluntary
>community, voluntary communist economics (which is fine if other people
>are supporting me -hohohohoho but not if everyone wants to be supported
>:-), voluntary patriotism, voluntary alternate lifystyles, etc etc.
>Unfortunately, don't remember getting an impression of Chuck.  Say hello
>in Indiana.
>
>Gold Standard Press wrote:
>
>>  It just won't go away.... LOL
>>
>> Is this the same Carol "commie" Moore who was our favorite hippie in
>> Seattle, WA 1987 LP convention?  :>)
>>
>> What do they say?  First impressions are lasting impressions....
>>
>> :>)
>>
>> Chuck Geshlider
>> Vice Chairman, PACE -- Patriots Assuring Clean Elections
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carol Moore in DC" <info@...>
>> To: "bccs of" <info@...>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:46 PM
>> Subject: [LPNM-discuss] Join Libertarians4Peace
>>
>>
>> > LIBERTARIANS FOR PEACE
>> > Protect America - By Ending U.S. Interventionism and Imperialism
>> > Let's Make the LP the Peace Party!
>> > We are Libertarians who are committed to
>> > promoting an end to United States military
>> > intervention which we believe promotes a
>> > militarily interventionist and imperialist agenda that
>> > benefits powerful government and corporate
>> > special interests at the expense of the lives, liberty
>> > and prosperity of Americans and of all peoples
>> > worldwide.  We reach out to local peace activists
>> > and groups and encourage libertarians to run as
>> > Libertarian Party peace candidates.  We are
>> > running candidates for the Libertarian National
>> > Committee in order to make non-intervention and
>> > peace issues a more central focus of national
>> > Libertarian Party organizing.
>> > Http://www.libertarians4peace.net
>> >
>> > Discussion List for Non-Intervention and Peace Issues
>> > E-mail Libs4peace-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> > or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libs4peace
>> >
>> > Organizing list only, especially for 2002 Convention
>> > E-mail Organize-Libs4peace-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> > or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organize-libs4peace
>> >
>> > Each list has about 40 members, with about a 10 member overlap.
>> >
>> > Contribute for mailing expenses to 2002 Delegates and Libertarian
>> Party
>> > Congressional candidates.  Buy cool libertarian peace buttons or
>> fridge
>> > magnets.
>> >
>> >
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Decide for yourself...http://www.carolmoore.net/
     There's nothing wrong with voluntary hippie-ism, voluntary
community, voluntary communist economics (which is fine if other people
are supporting me -hohohohoho but not if everyone wants to be supported
:-), voluntary patriotism, voluntary alternate lifystyles, etc etc.
Unfortunately, don't remember getting an impression of Chuck.  Say hello
in Indiana.

Gold Standard Press wrote:

>  It just won't go away.... LOL
>
> Is this the same Carol "commie" Moore who was our favorite hippie in
> Seattle, WA 1987 LP convention?  :>)
>
> What do they say?  First impressions are lasting impressions....
>
> :>)
>
> Chuck Geshlider
> Vice Chairman, PACE -- Patriots Assuring Clean Elections
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carol Moore in DC" <info@...>
> To: "bccs of" <info@...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:46 PM
> Subject: [LPNM-discuss] Join Libertarians4Peace
>
>
> > LIBERTARIANS FOR PEACE
> > Protect America - By Ending U.S. Interventionism and Imperialism
> > Let's Make the LP the Peace Party!
> > We are Libertarians who are committed to
> > promoting an end to United States military
> > intervention which we believe promotes a
> > militarily interventionist and imperialist agenda that
> > benefits powerful government and corporate
> > special interests at the expense of the lives, liberty
> > and prosperity of Americans and of all peoples
> > worldwide.  We reach out to local peace activists
> > and groups and encourage libertarians to run as
> > Libertarian Party peace candidates.  We are
> > running candidates for the Libertarian National
> > Committee in order to make non-intervention and
> > peace issues a more central focus of national
> > Libertarian Party organizing.
> > Http://www.libertarians4peace.net
> >
> > Discussion List for Non-Intervention and Peace Issues
> > E-mail Libs4peace-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libs4peace
> >
> > Organizing list only, especially for 2002 Convention
> > E-mail Organize-Libs4peace-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organize-libs4peace
> >
> > Each list has about 40 members, with about a 10 member overlap.
> >
> > Contribute for mailing expenses to 2002 Delegates and Libertarian
> Party
> > Congressional candidates.  Buy cool libertarian peace buttons or
> fridge
> > magnets.
> >
> >
> >
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It just won't go away.... LOL

Is this the same Carol "commie" Moore who was our favorite hippie in
Seattle, WA 1987 LP convention?  :>)

What do they say?  First impressions are lasting impressions....

:>)

Chuck Geshlider
Vice Chairman, PACE -- Patriots Assuring Clean Elections


----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol Moore in DC" <info@...>
To: "bccs of" <info@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:46 PM
Subject: [LPNM-discuss] Join Libertarians4Peace


> LIBERTARIANS FOR PEACE
> Protect America - By Ending U.S. Interventionism and Imperialism
> Let's Make the LP the Peace Party!
> We are Libertarians who are committed to
> promoting an end to United States military
> intervention which we believe promotes a
> militarily interventionist and imperialist agenda that
> benefits powerful government and corporate
> special interests at the expense of the lives, liberty
> and prosperity of Americans and of all peoples
> worldwide.  We reach out to local peace activists
> and groups and encourage libertarians to run as
> Libertarian Party peace candidates.  We are
> running candidates for the Libertarian National
> Committee in order to make non-intervention and
> peace issues a more central focus of national
> Libertarian Party organizing.
> Http://www.libertarians4peace.net
>
> Discussion List for Non-Intervention and Peace Issues
> E-mail Libs4peace-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libs4peace
>
> Organizing list only, especially for 2002 Convention
> E-mail Organize-Libs4peace-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> or go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organize-libs4peace
>
> Each list has about 40 members, with about a 10 member overlap.
>
> Contribute for mailing expenses to 2002 Delegates and Libertarian Party
> Congressional candidates.  Buy cool libertarian peace buttons or fridge
> magnets.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> lpnm-discuss-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
>
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>

LIBERTARIANS FOR PEACE
Protect America - By Ending U.S. Interventionism and Imperialism
Let's Make the LP the Peace Party!
We are Libertarians who are committed to
promoting an end to United States military
intervention which we believe promotes a
militarily interventionist and imperialist agenda that
benefits powerful government and corporate
special interests at the expense of the lives, liberty
and prosperity of Americans and of all peoples
worldwide.  We reach out to local peace activists
and groups and encourage libertarians to run as
Libertarian Party peace candidates.  We are
running candidates for the Libertarian National
Committee in order to make non-intervention and
peace issues a more central focus of national
Libertarian Party organizing.
Http://www.libertarians4peace.net

Discussion List for Non-Intervention and Peace Issues
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--- In nmgunowners@y..., "mikewb_tsg" <mikewb_tsg@y...> wrote:
The Last of the BOHICANS

Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership, Inc.
P.O. Box 270143
Hartford, WI 53027

Phone (262) 673-9745
Fax (262) 673-9746
http://www.jpfo.org/
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The Last of the BOHICANS
How You've Been Conned into Surrendering Your Gun Rights

And How You Can Turn the Tables

By Aaron Zelman and Claire Wolfe

"BOHICA!" screamed the e-mail alert. "Bend over, here it comes
again!"

It was a familiar story. Politicians were about to pull yet another
colossal act of betrayal, about to break yet another compromise with
gun owners, about to put thousands more citizens at risk of prison
for obscure technical violations of law.

BOHICA has become a way of life for people who care about the Bill of
Rights, especially the Second Amendment.

So what did the group sending the urgent e-mail alert beg everybody
to do? "Call your representative!" -- again -- "Write the governor!" -
- again -- "Tell your friends to call their representatives!" --
again.

Let's be realistic: Do we honestly believe an arrogant group of known
liars and oathbreakers is suddenly going to morph into Patrick Henry
just because they receive yet another batch of desperate, angry pleas
from people who've been on the losing side of every gun-law battle
since the National Firearms Act was passed in 1934?

"BOHICA," indeed! If you keep bending over like that, they'll keep
doing "it" again.

So why do so many of us keep on bending over -- making the same
predictable responses to political chicanery -- long after we've seen
that our desperate, hopeful actions don't win us freedom? We do it
because we've been conned. It's that simple. We've been buffaloed
into believing that "politics as usual" is our only option. We've
even been told that being political puppets is our "responsibility"
as citizens.

It's not. There are more effective things we can do. But first, look
at the devastation caused by this political con we've been suckered
into.

Throwing away your money, your efforts, freedom, and your future

How many billions of dollars have freedom groups spent financing
political campaigns, lobbying, or struggling to change laws through
legislative letter-writing blitzes*? How many checks have firearms
manufacturers written to how many lawyers and lobbyists? How many
hundreds or thousands of your own hard-earned dollars have you poured
into politics? How many thousands of hours have you simply thrown
away writing begging letters to politicians, standing at rallies,
voting, campaigning, sending faxes, and making calls to
"representatives" whose bored office staffers don't even bother to
pass along your messages and whose bosses wouldn't listen if they
did?

How many times have you helped send some guy to Washington or Albany
or Sacramento thinking, "There, now he'll take care of us" -- only to
have him come back a month later telling you, "You just don't
understand how things are done on Capitol Hill" – as if he were
representing the government, not you?

We rally 'round Party R, alarmed by the terrible things Party D wants
to do to our Second Amendment rights. Party R marches into office,
banners of "reform" flying high. In the name of "compromise," Party R
then does exactly what Party D threatened to do – and comes back
looking for more contributions and votes! "Think how much worse it
would have hurt if Party D had done it to you!" they say. BOHICA!

And how many times have you felt sick as the public applauded the
latest law or regulation against freedom -- because peoples' hearts
belong to the other side, and their minds are uneducated about the
real issues behind the feel-good language of "safety," "preventing
crime," and "reasonable measures" to "protect children"?

Yes, you may have had an occasional, temporary victory, particularly
at the local or state level. (Even a card sharp knows he sometimes
needs to let the marks win to keep them hoping.) But in the end, every
one of your political dollars, every one of your countless political
hours, has not only been wasted, but has actually helped your
opponents beat you in a rigged game.

The illusion that you're doing something to protect freedom has kept
you occupied like a sucker trying to spot the shell with the pea
under it while fast- talking politicians and remote bureaucrats
carried out long-term anti-freedom plans that your eye couldn't
follow.

Fighting to lose your gun rights

Second Amendment fighters: What have you gained by relying on
politicians?

You've lost the right to own some firearms unless you pay a tax and
submit to a government license.

You've lost the right to purchase a gun through a catalog and have it
sent to you.

You've lost the right to own some firearms, simply because politicians
and regulators thought they looked ugly or scary.

You've lost the right to carry a gun with big enough magazine capacity
to be useful in a serious firefight.

You've lost the right to defend yourself in schools, churches, city
hall, airports, parks, and hundreds of other places.

You've lost the right even to drive or walk in the neighborhood of a
school.

You've lost the right to own guns if you were convicted of even
certain minor crimes decades ago (and along with that, you've lost
the ex post facto protections of the Constitution).

You've lost the right to carry concealed and exchanged it for a
revocable, government-granted privilege, complete with fingerprints
and criminal background checks.

You've lost the right to buy a gun quickly to protect yourself against
someone who's threatening you.

You've lost privacy in all but a handful of gun purchases (and are
soon to lose that, thanks to dogged and dishonest efforts to "close
the gun-show loophole").

And you've ended up living in a culture that demonizes you as a
violent, cretinous, "gun nut."

Despite short-term compromise "victories," the bottom line is that
you've put up with a steady erosion of rights that hasn't stopped
since you father's, grandfather's, or maybe even great- grandfather's
day.

And now we rejoice because, with the Clinton regime gone, we believe
politicians are going to be a LITTLE LESS QUICK about taking the next
round of our rights. We get excited when we learn that Attorney
General John Ashcroft says the Second Amendment protects an individual
right to own firearms -- so excited that we overlook the fine print,
where he says next that Congress has the right to enact "gun control"
laws "for compelling state interests."

What exactly does "compelling state interests" mean? Who defines it?
Who'll enforce it -- and how brutally?

What kind of mentality have we developed, that we get excited over
something like that? Have we adopted the numbed mindset of the
carnival mark who walks away feeling victorious because he won some
cheap piece of junk not worth one-tenth the money he invested in the
crooked game?

Have we come to expect to lose our freedoms? Have we come to believe
there's no realistic alternative? Good news: There is an alternative -
- and a powerful one. But first, we've got to get over this BOHICA
thinking and the BOHICA, "politics as usual" actions it leads to.

The key to understanding what's going on

Long ago, and for a very short time in America, what your teachers
told you was true. You could change things by voting and campaigning
and writing letters to your representatives -- because they actually
were your representatives.

An informed citizenry and a legislature made up of ordinary fellow
citizens could protect rights -- for a while. But that system was
doomed to exactly the fate it has met. A professional class of
politicians, bureaucrats, lawyers, and lobbyists took over, and
citizens (increasingly uninformed or dis-informed) were left out in
the cold. While the professional class still pays lip service to
"democracy," their fundamental relationship to us is to 1) get money
out of us, 2) make us dependent on them, and 3) keep us pacified
enough that we don't pick up pitchforks and tear their little con
castle down.

Now, when a teacher, politician, U.N. worker, bureaucrat, or some
other government supporter preaches about your "responsibility" to
vote and otherwise "work within the system" she's basically conning
you. She's either ignorant of reality or trying desperately to prevent
you from exercising the "pitchfork option." She's like the carnival
pitchman whose patter and flamboyant gestures are designed to keep
you from noticing what's going on behind the curtain.

A few fundamental facts to keep in mind:

Just as the press is free for the man who owns one, "The System"
works for those who run it. And that isn't you. That isn't any group
you belong to, not even the biggest and most powerful. "The System"
works just fine - but doesn't work for your interests.

The one or two politicians who actually care about your rights are
vastly outnumbered and rendered powerless by established ways of doing
business. Their bills rarely even make it out of committee, thanks to
manipulative leaders and procedural chicanery.

The whole process of "law-making" is about making more laws, not
repealing them. It's about centralizing power, not distributing it.

Even if your representative claims to favor your rights, she almost
certainly votes against them in huge, unread bills passed late at
night.

Freedom can't be won back exactly as it was lost, through a long, slow
process of lawmaking and regulation. The thousands of bureaucracies
and special-interest fiefdoms that cling to government are easy to
build, almost impossible to tear down. They'll only be dismantled if
there's a vast change in the American consciousness -- which we
aren't achieving through all our politicking.

Perhaps the most important thing to remember is that those posturing
politicians you're begging to aren't even the ones in charge anymore.
As Mark Bateman put it so well in a letter to Jews for the
Preservation of Firearms Ownership:

We defeat them in the ballot box. We defeat them in the legislature.
We defeat them in the courts. However, here is where they CAN AND ARE
WINNING: the bureaucracy. The bureaucracy has for quite some time
been the NEW lawmakers in our land and the ability of the BATF to
simply make a ruling that turns YOU into a FELON for possession of
what was once legal is creating law without representation. This is
BANNING (through economics) and REGISTRATION by bureaucratic ruling!

All the voting, rallying, and political letter writing in the world
won't reach this class of professional bureaucrats and enforcers.
They're not elected by you. They're not answerable to you. They don't
care about you and your pathetic little claims of "rights," and
"justice."

Reality has changed. And if you don't change with it, your rights will
soon perish.

Changing the culture

"But if we don't keep doing this," the freedom fighters cry, "things
will get worse!"

Well, duh, things are getting worse ANYWAY.

In the ghettos of Europe, the "wise" men of the Jewish councils
advised their communities to play by the Nazis' rules – to go along
to get along. "If we don't," they warned, "things will get worse."
People were loaded into cattle cars. People were taken into the woods
and shot. People were enslaved, imprisoned, gassed, and flung naked
into mass graves – and still the "wise" men counseled cooperation
because otherwise, "things will get worse."

How much worse do things have to get before some people realize you
can't win at a rigged political game? Stop cooperating in the con! If
the mark won't play, the con artist can't win.

You don't even have to take the risks the young ghetto fighters
eventually took. Your solution may be as simple as talking with your
next-door neighbor. But it requires thinking far outside the political
box. The solution is a grassroots reawakening. A rebirth of a Bill of
Rights culture in America.

That's is a major change, to be sure. Accomplishing it will take hard
work and time - but no more time than you're currently wasting on
politics. Grassroots change is doable because, instead of trying
vainly to influence unreachable men and women far away, it involves
influencing the people around us -- family members, co-workers,
neighbors, fellow students, children, fellow activists -- people we
can reach.

Do something really dangerous, something that will truly scare our
would-be rulers into taking us seriously -- encourage people to think
and give them the tools to help them do it.

Bob LeFevre, the great, unconventional educator (on whom Robert
Heinlein based his memorable character Bernardo de la Paz in the
novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress), once told an audience that, if
he could push a button and instantly impose freedom he wouldn't do
it, because unless people had a change of heart, they would quickly
turn around and create a new (and perhaps even worse) system of
oppression.

Once we have a Bill of Rights culture, including a strong, healthy
appreciation and understanding of the Second Amendment, the government
will follow. (If it fails to follow, it will fall.) Even the
bureaucracy, unalterable as it seems now, will be dismantled once
people no longer want, and are no longer willing to pay for, what it
represents. On the other hand, if we don't attain a freedom-oriented
culture at the most basic, grassroots level, then all the politics in
the world won't save us.

What you can do

Let's be up front. This section includes an unabashed pitch for you
to use JPFO literature. We're also going to ask you to help us finance
a TV documentary "Innocents Betrayed," based on the new book Death by
'Gun Control' by Aaron Zelman and Richard W. Stevens.

But don't tune out. Even if you decide never to buy a single booklet
from JPFO, the main thing you need to do to effect a grassroots
culture change is the same.

You need to convey the value of the Bill of Rights, very simply and
clearly, to people who've been "hypnotized and Jenningized" by
television, who expect instant gratification, and who've been soothed
into believing that government's purpose is to be a father and mother
to them.

This kind of simple -- but factual and verifiable - pro-Bill of Rights
message is what we at JPFO specialize in.

Our Gran'pa Jack series of illustrated booklets gets across messages
like these:

"'Gun control' kills kids" (Gran'pa Jack #1). Learn how governments
use "gun control" to disarm and murder people.
[http://www.jpfo.org/gpjack1.htm]

"Can you get a fair trial in America?" (Gran'pa Jack #2). Know the
historic and present benefit of a fully informed jury.
[http://www.jpfo.org/gpjack2.htm]

"It's common sense to use our Bill of Rights" (Gran'pa Jack #3). A
simple, fun-to-read explanation of the Bill of Rights.
[http://www.jpfo.org/gpjack3.htm]

"'Gun control' is racist" (Gran'pa Jack #4). Supporters of "gun
control" in the black and other minority communities really need to
read this one.
[http://www.jpfo.org/gpjack4.htm]

"The United Nations is killing your freedoms" (Gran'pa Jack #5). See
how the U.N. is trying to destroy the Bill of Rights.
[http://www.jpfo.org/gpjack5.htm]

"Will 'gun control' make you safer?" (Gran'pa Jack #6). Exposes the
myths behind "gun control" beliefs.
[http://www.jpfo.org/gpjack6.htm]

"Do gun prohibitionists have a mental problem?" (Gran'pa Jack #7).
Learn to communicate more effectively with people whose mindset has
made them fear firearms.
[http://www.jpfo.org/gpjack7.htm]

Using the character of wise Gran'pa Jack and his ever-questioning
family members, these booklets convey a ton of specific legal,
historic, factual information while being as easy to read as comic
books. They're perfect for teaching people who've never thought about
the issues, but they also contain enough solid information to help
persuade an educated opponent. (Even an experienced freedom fighter
will find new intellectual ammo in them.)

Use them almost anywhere with anybody. Put them on a counter at a gun
store. Hand them out at a school presentation. Distribute them at an
information booth. Give them to your children or neighbors. (Just the
other day we got a call from a National Guardsman stationed at a major
airport. He asked us to send 50 assorted copies for him to share with
people in his unit. Realizing how little some of the others knew about
freedom, he thought of Gran'pa Jack as the simplest way to educate
them. We wouldn't be surprised if, after being passed around among the
Guardsmen, many of these Gran'pa Jacks ended up in the hands of
"security" screeners, airline passengers, and air crew members -- some
of whom especially need to learn about the Bill of Rights.)

There are nearly one million Gran'pa Jack booklets already in
circulation. Imagine the impact if there were 50 million ... 100
million. As the late Sen. Everett Dirksen said, "When I feel the heat,
I see the light." Let's enlighten everybody.

You can order all the Gran'pa Jacks -- with deep discounts for
quantity orders -- at http://www.jpfo.org/books.htm.

Now JPFO is working on the top-quality, one-hour TV documentary,
"Innocents Betrayed." Louis James of the Henry Hazlitt Foundation
said this documentary, "… might well be the stake in the heart of
victim disarmament that destroys the 'gun control' myth and helps
restore the fundamental human right of self-defense in America, and
beyond."

TV may be the best medium for reaching our fellow Americans.
Unfortunately it remains the most expensive. This historical
opportunity is going to cost $170,000. So we're asking everyone to
make a one-time, tax-deductable donation of $29 or more between now
and June 2002. A $75 donation gets you a free, autographed copy of
the new book, Death by "Gun Control." For a donation of $100 or more,
you'll get Death by "Gun Control" ($16.95 value, postpaid) and the
new book, The State vs. the People ($19.95 value), which shows how
America is sliding toward a police state. Donate more and you'll get
both books and a copy of the film. (See the announcement on the JPFO
Web site http://www.jpfo.org/ib.htm for details.)**

If you don't want to buy Gran'pa Jack booklets or donate to the
documentary, that's your decision, of course. But please go out and
do something that gets the Bill of Rights message across in ways as
simple, dramatic, friendly, and clear as Gran'pa Jack does it. You can
start by distributing this article far and wide. E-mail it to your
friends, link to it on the Web, print copies and hand them out to
people who need to get the message.

Anything you do to create a freedom culture will be worth doing. But
take a look at what JPFO has to offer. There's a huge job ahead for
everyone who wants to fight effectively for freedom. We've already
done a lot of groundwork to give your efforts a more powerful impact.

Open the eyes of people who've been conned. Make this generation the
LAST of the BOHICANS.

-----
* References to the uselessness of letter writing apply only to
letters sent privately to politicians. JPFO endorses writing letters
to the editor, which can be an effective means of educating people.
We have occasionally published templates for such letters on our Web
site. Open letters to politicians may also be useful to whatever
extent they are widely circulated and read by the public.

** All money collected will be placed in escrow. Books will be mailed
to donors when the entire amount has been raised. If we are unable to
raise the needed sum, all donations will be returned to the donors.

If you want to see a blueprint of what America could be like with a
Bill of Rights culture, read Hope, the novel that shows what a
genuinely freedom-loving president would do for the U.S. Order Hope
for just $14.95 (shipping and handling included -- 10% more in
Canada) and receive two of JPFO's famous "Gran'pa Jack" educational
booklets: Gran'pa Jack #2: "Can You Get a Fair Trial in America?" and
Gran'pa Jack #5: "The United Nations is Killing Your Freedoms,!" a
$6.00 value, free when you order Hope (http://www.jpfo.org/hope.htm)

If you want to understand the ultimate progression of "gun control,"
read Death by "Gun Control": The Human Cost of Victim Disarmament by
Aaron Zelman and Richard W. Stevens. It begins with "reasonable
measures" to control the unruly; it ends in the death of a thousand
cuts – and millions of disarmed citizens. Order Death by "Gun
Control" for just $16.95 (shipping and handling included -- 10% more
in Canada) and receive Gran'pa Jack #6: "Will 'Gun Control' Make You
Safer," and Gran'pa Jack #7:"Do Gun Prohibitionists Have a Mental
Problem?" (a total $6.00 value, free when you order Death by "Gun
Control" today. (http://www.jpfo.org/deathgc.htm)

While everyone's busy fighting little skirmishes, the armored column
of the police state is rolling down the middle of the highway, almost
unnoticed. If you want to see the big picture of why America and
other English-speaking countries are losing freedom, read The State
vs. the People: The Rise of the American Police State, by Claire
Wolfe and Aaron Zelman. Order The State vs the People for just $19.95
(shipping and handling included -- 10% more in Canada) and receive
three "Gran'pa Jack" educational booklets: Gran'pa Jack #2: "Can you
get a Fair Trial in America?," Gran'pa Jack #3: "It's Common Sense to
Use Our Bill of Rights," and Gran'pa Jack #5: "The United Nations is
Killing Your Freedoms!" (a total $10.00 value, free when you order
The State vs the People today. (http://www.jpfo.org/tsvtp.htm)
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- Mike Blessing
   The American Sedition
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   The Weekly Sedition
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--- End forwarded message ---

--- Bill Hartwell <whartwel@...> wrote:
> - ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>
> A LETTER TO PAT BUCHANAN
> by L. Neil Smith <lneil@...>
> Exclusive to THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE
> [subscription info at end below.]

[ Article text:
   -->
http://webleyweb.com/tle/libe158-20020128-06.html ]

[ Article that inspired El Neil to write his column:
   -->
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26153 ]


At least we have a good idea of where Pat put the 12.5
million principles that he swiped from the rest of us
via the Reform Party and the federal matching funds
program:

   --> http://www.theamericancause.org/

And Karen De Coster gets it just as wrong in her
response, "Wrong, Pat, Wrong"

   -->
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26246

by assuming that the federal government has a "right"
as a "private property owner" to exclude people from
entering just as you (a private property owner in
fact) would exclude unwelcome visitors from your
house.
============================================================
- Mike Blessing
   The American Sedition
   -->
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheAmericanSedition/join
   The Weekly Sedition
   --> Albuquerque NM Comcast, Ch.27, Thursdays at 9PM
MST


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions!
http://auctions.yahoo.com

Question: As one of its primary political goals,
should the Libertarian Party try to end the War on
Drugs within the decade? Should this be a "signature
issue" for the party? Why or why not?

My Answer: The core principle of the LP is the
Non-Aggression Principle. Keep that in mind when
developing "signature issues." The War on Some Drugs
is a good one. So are the Wars on Gun Owners and Tax
Resisters.
_______________________________________________________

- Mike Blessing
   Bill of Rights Enforcement
   --> http://www.lneilsmith.com/bore.html
   Got Liberty?
   --> http://welcome.to/HomelandSecurity
   Bin Laden Liquors - Fun with terrorism!
   --> http://www.xterror.com/

__________________________________________________
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Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
http://greetings.yahoo.com

--- In smith2004-discuss@y..., Matthew Gaylor <freematt@c...> wrote:
[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Kent Van Cleave <kvc@t...> is a
philosopher studying and teaching at Indiana University, Bloomington.
He has created a web site highlighting the dangers of the Office of
Homeland Security.  Of particular interest is a series of posters
that have been created and that can be adapted for your individual
use.  Just go to the below website for more information.]

<http://welcome.to/HomelandSecurity1>

What are we doing? Our purpose here is to provide "cookie-cutter"
tools for activism in the service of liberty, tools to fight the
encroachment of a police state and the mentality that leads a people
to tolerate such tyranny. By "cookie-cutter" we simply mean that you
can take our tools and create your own local education campaign in an
effective, professional manner. No muss or fuss -- just take what we
have, duplicate it where you are, and spread it around. Mostly, these
tools will be high-quality posters that you can reproduce
inexpensively and post around your city. Just be sure to protect the
private property rights of others as you do so, though, and not post
these where you shouldn't. Public locations where posters and
announcements are routinely posted are ideal, and store windows (with
permission from the owner or manager) are ideal private property
locations. Be creative, and be persuasive -- a lot is riding on this!

Finally, the disclaimer. Some will say this website and the project
it promotes is unamerican, seditious, disloyal, unpatriotic, and
icky. This is because their idea of Americanism, loyalty, and
patriotism is directed toward their leaders, or based in a sort of
tribal loyalty to one's group -- the big group that is our nation.

This project is dedicated instead to the principles upon which this
country was founded: that rights belong to individual people, who in
cooperation with one another form their governments for the purpose
of protecting those individual rights ... period. That's the
philosophical and political foundation of America. Today, it's called
libertarianism. We don't think America is the land, or even the
people -- and certainly not the government, which is only supposed to
represent and serve the people. America is the idea that people own
themselves and have the right to determine their own destinies by any
peaceful and honest means they choose.

This important distinction is reflected in the Oath of Office taken
by public officials, and by the oath taken by members of the armed
services: to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United
States of America against all enemies, foreign or domestic." Not to
protect and defend our leaders, or even to protect and defend the
current institutions of government, but to protect the Constitution,
without which America would be just another government dedicated to
controlling, not serving, the people.

It is with sadness bordering on despair that we are forced to admit
that many of those today who have taken that oath are now violating
it daily. In many cases, the violations are the result of ignorance:
the honest belief that the proper role of government is to control
the people rather than work to guarantee a social and political
environment in which they can safely control their own individual
destinies. But that is not an excuse. When taking a solemn oath, one
is responsible for knowing the nature of that commitment.

Therefore, to those who might accuse us of anything from disloyalty
to treason, we say this: We are loyal to the Constitution of the
United States of America. Aren't you?

And we will not despair. Not while the freedom of expression --
especially political expression -- guaranteed by the First Amendment
is still honored by enough Americans to make the "control freaks" in
government reluctant to violate it, however much they might wish to.
Therefore, this site consists of protected political expression, and
the only action it explicitly advocates for freedom-minded Americans
is ... political expression. That should never be a problem ... and
our job is to do what we can to convince America that it must never
be a problem, for when open and honest dissent is stifled, there
simply is no freedom.


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--- Joseph Knight <nm_libertarian@...> wrote:
>
> I am appointing Destri Gleim of Aztec to fill the
> District 3 vacancy, subject to confirmation at the
> March meeting. Destri is currently the editor of the
> newsletter and a member of her county committee, and
> plans to continue in both roles.

Sounds good to me.

Speaking of the newsletter, the ABQ TV schedule is
going to change a little. "New Mexico's Consumer
Advocate," currently filling the 8PM Wednesday
timeslot, has been bumped by Geraldine Amato, and thus
will be off the air from January til the end of March.

HOWEVER, all is not lost. "The Weekly Sedition" will
hold the line. Then comes April 2002, when "New
Mexico's Consumer Advocate" will come back and return
the favor to Geraldine, giving the LPBC TWO hours of
prime-time TV programming.

That being said, there are still plenty of timeslots
available for first-timers (or experienced producers
who've been off the air for a while - CCC27 regards
them as "first-timers" when it comes to time slots)
who think that they can put out the message better
than Koehler and I can. I'll even support their
efforts when feasible in my schedule.
_______________________________________________________
- Mike Blessing
   The Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus
     --> http://www.lneilsmith.com/libertar.html
   The Covenant of Unanimous Consent
     --> http://www.lneilsmith.com/new-cov.html
   Draft L. Neil Smith for President
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From: "New Mexico" <Report@...>
      To: mikewb_tsg@...,
Subject: Gun Rights Activists Needed In Your State
    Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:25:48 -0800

GUN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS NEEDED IN YOUR STATE
GUN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS NEEDED IN YOUR STATE
GUN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS NEEDED IN YOUR STATE

--Operation Self Defense Seeking Teammates

--Dozens of Armed Self-defense News Headlines below

December 13, 2001

When we launched our National campaign to locate,
publish and promote all reported cases of armed
self-defense in America, we knew there was a great
deal of work ahead of us.

We also knew that many good people would step forward
and join our team -- the mission and vision we've
published and shared has inspired Net Detectives to
double or even triple the number of armed self-defense
news stories now being located and spread throughout
the gun rights community.

We received this message from one of our Operation
Self-Defense detectives and wanted to share it with
you:

      "I am a police officer and thoroughly enjoy
reading/hearing
      about citizens defending themselves, realizing
that the police
      are not required, nor are they (we) realistically
going to be
      there every time something bad happens.  We the
citizens need
      to be responsible for defending ourselves.  By
helping KABA
      develop this OpSD project, I’ll be able to help
others see
      real examples of how to win a battle (criminal
vs. citizen) by
      preparing, thinking and acting, and fighting to
win."
      --Ed, Pennsylvania

We wish to extend a grateful thank you to Ed and all
those who have joined our Operation Self Defense team.
We’ve been very fortunate in securing the help of many
dedicated Net Detectives from all corners of the
country.

However, our goal is far from complete.  We still have
quite a few online sources that are not yet covered,
and we are seeking the help of other Second Amendment
supporters like Ed who realize the importance of
self-defense in the fight to retain our rights.

Please visit the Operation Self Defense news source
page at
http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/OpSD/np/newsmenu.htm.
Check the status of your state.  How well is it
represented?  Can you spare a few minutes of your time
to assist in capturing the "real examples?"

And if you are just hearing about Operation Self
Defense for the first time, we warmly invite you to
take a good look at what we are doing to help raise
public awareness about the many news stories where
people use guns to save life, limb and property:
http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/OpSD/

  Operation Self Defense:
  Because Self Defense is a basic Human Right.

In Liberty,

Barbara Renner
Director, Operation Self Defense
http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/OpSD
mailto:Brenner@...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HAVE YOU READ THESE NEWS STORIES YET?

If not, find them right here:
http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/OpSD

• Robber killed by gas station owner

• Shopkeeper shoots burglar who was armed with a
crowbar

• Armed citizen holds two would-be thieves for police

• Armed citizen stops what could have been much, much
worse

• Crowbar-wielding thief shot by woman

• Apartment intruder shot to death by intended female
victim

• Man shot dead by storeowner was serial robber

• Robber fails, thanks to armed citizen

• Michigan CCW Holder Defends Himself

• Bookstore assailant gets shelved: Owner shows pistol
-- end of story

• South African homeowner uses handgun to successfully
defend himself and his family against five robbers

• Woman uses shotgun to safely foil robbery

• Armed homeowner quells two violent attackers

• Detectives call wife's shooting of abusive husband
"self defense"

• Homeowner shoots intruder who failed to heed
warnings

• Another version of recent story of storeowner
defending his life and his customers while shooting an
armed robber

• Storeowner shoots robber after he threatens the
lives of he and his customers

• Burglar's luck worth about a plug nickel, Fulton
police say

• Chicken owner shoots dog dead -- No charges filed

• Man Shot By Homeowner Was Facing Felony Charges --
including home invasion -- and how he's facing his
maker

• Grand jury finds shooting of robber justified

• Armed assailant shot dead

• Possible case of rapist shot dead

• 2 would-be burglars get blasted

• Armed clerk lives, robber flees

• Attacking mountain lion goes to early grave

• Husband shoots, kills home invader who burst into
the home at 4am and "demanded to see the woman's
breasts"

• Middle-of-the-night break-in leaves perpetrator
dead; no charges filed

• Home invaders flee after resident fires at them

• Grand Rapids man uses gun to stop teenage home
invader.

• Violent armed robber killed by store employee

• Burglar killed in confrontation with resident

• Rottweiler is shot after attack on child; no charges
expected

• Grocery Store Owner Defends Self In Attack, Against
three armed robbers

• Homeowner shoots intruder

• Man pulls knife on neighbor, shot in self-defense,
no charges expected

• Intruder shot, bystander also possibly wounded by
friendly fire

• Riviera Beach man acquitted of murdering two teens
after claiming self-defense

• Woman in wheelchair wounds violent madman

• 'An urban predator' shot by armed citizen finally
goes to prison

• Storeowner kills armed robber

• Store clerk defends store against armed assailants

• Tenant warns off suspects, one of whom was out on
bail

• Would-be victim kills robber, case to go to grand
jury

• Mountain lion eyes hunter, lion loses

• Resident nabs burglary suspect -- with a machete

• Armed Israeli civilian stops terrorist attacker

• Home invader shot by residents

• Would-be victim kills thief in New York City

• 77-year-old woman shoots intruder

• Police say shooting death resulted from self-defense

• Storekeeper guns down one robber, wounds another

• Robbery suspect shot dead by convenience store
manager

• Man gets probation for attack that was stopped by an
armed citizen

• 78-year-old woman shoots at intruder, then holds him
for police

• Motel guest shoots armed robber

• Student Won't Be Charged in Shooting

• Victim shoots robber, then holds him for police

• Another report on homeowner who shot two intruders

• Two self-defense shootings in one day

• Two burglars shot by homeowner, now facing charges

• Shooting "has overtones of self-defense"

• Man killed after breaking down door of former wife

• Grand jury: Store clerk won't be charged for chasing
and shooting robber

• 71-year-old Homeowner Shoots and Kills Intruder

• Three violent thieves shot during home invasion

http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/OpSD

If you experience any difficulties, please contact us
for assistance. mailto:Newslinks@...
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At 03:43 PM 11/28/01 -0800, you wrote:
>--> http://www.jamesphogan.com/bb/bb.shtml#061401
>
>IDIOCY RUNNING RAMPANT     Posted on June 14, 2001
>
>
>More from Rob Rackansky. The Wall Street Journal
>online Opinion Journal has archived their stories on
>the stupidity of "zero tolerance" policies over the
>past several months, including:
>
>-- An eight-year-old Jonesboro, Ark., boy suspended
>from school for brandishing a piece of breaded chicken
>
>
>-- Two eight-year-olds in Irvington, N.J., charged
>with "making terroristic threats" for playing with
>paper guns. Apparently, the local police chief
>defended school officials and the district's policy by
>pointing out that " . . . paper guns are particularly
>dangerous. Because they're made of paper, a miscreant
>can slip them right past metal detectors."
>
>-- An eight-year-old third-grader suspended from
>school for drawing weapons. That is, drawing them --
>as in sketching, with a pencil. (How long, I wonder,
>until pencils are banned from schoolrooms.)
>
>These and more wisdoms of our times are available at
>http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95000486.
>
>What's really funny is that all this BS is aimed at
>stopping the gang-bangers. These are the same
>gang-bangers that the police chiefs and politicians
>would have you believe are all Ranger- or
>SEAL-trained, "Delta Force" operatives, etc. "We can't
>control them, and the threat is growing," they whine
>and snivel. How many "G"s really fit that bill?
>_______________________________________________________
>
>- Mike Blessing
>   The Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus
>     --> http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil/libertar.html
>   Draft L. Neil Smith for President
>     --> http://www.smith2004.org
>
>"Pornography, tax evasion and gunrunning are what made
>(and still
>make) America the greatest nation on earth."
>- Rex Nulla
>
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IDIOCY RUNNING RAMPANT     Posted on June 14, 2001


More from Rob Rackansky. The Wall Street Journal
online Opinion Journal has archived their stories on
the stupidity of "zero tolerance" policies over the
past several months, including:

-- An eight-year-old Jonesboro, Ark., boy suspended
from school for brandishing a piece of breaded chicken


-- Two eight-year-olds in Irvington, N.J., charged
with "making terroristic threats" for playing with
paper guns. Apparently, the local police chief
defended school officials and the district's policy by
pointing out that " . . . paper guns are particularly
dangerous. Because they're made of paper, a miscreant
can slip them right past metal detectors."

-- An eight-year-old third-grader suspended from
school for drawing weapons. That is, drawing them --
as in sketching, with a pencil. (How long, I wonder,
until pencils are banned from schoolrooms.)

These and more wisdoms of our times are available at
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95000486.

What's really funny is that all this BS is aimed at
stopping the gang-bangers. These are the same
gang-bangers that the police chiefs and politicians
would have you believe are all Ranger- or
SEAL-trained, "Delta Force" operatives, etc. "We can't
control them, and the threat is growing," they whine
and snivel. How many "G"s really fit that bill?
_______________________________________________________

- Mike Blessing
   The Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus
     --> http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil/libertar.html
   Draft L. Neil Smith for President
     --> http://www.smith2004.org

"Pornography, tax evasion and gunrunning are what made
(and still
make) America the greatest nation on earth."
- Rex Nulla

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--- LibertyWire
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> Subject: Who Gave Your Rights Away?
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:24:19 -0800
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> appears today on www.WorldNetDaily.com
> and will run tomorrow on www.Antiwar.com :
>
>
> Who Gave Your Rights Away?
>
>     by Harry Browne
>
> Many conservatives, liberals, and libertarians are
> protesting the numerous
> invasions of your liberty that Congress and the Bush
> administration have
> imposed during the past two months.
>
> But without realizing it, many of the protestors
> brought these invasions
> on themselves.
>
>     This Is America?
>
> I do share their concerns, however.
>
> First, Congress
>
(http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/20/halperin-m.html)
> rammed through an "anti-terrorism" bill that
> violates the civil liberties of
> _all_ Americans, not just terrorists.
>
> The new law allows federal officials to search your
> home when you're not
> present and not even tell you your home has been
> searched. You could come
> home one day and find your computer, file cabinets,
> and legal papers have
> disappeared. You'd naturally think it was a
> burglary, but the burglars would
> be government employees (shades of Watergate).
>
> Warrants can be issued in secret, and you may not be
> allowed to see a
> warrant -- or contest it -- covering a search of
> your property.
>
> This is America?
>
> Government officials can go into any company
> anywhere and search records of
> your purchases and credit history, discover the
> websites you've visited, or
> monitor your email -- without evidence of a crime
> and without telling you,
> and they can order the companies not to tell you
> about the search.
>
> Then the Bush administration
>
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37718-2001Nov15.html),
> apparently invoking the divine right of kings,
> decided that people can be
> tried and executed by secret courts (using secret
> evidence not available for
> you to refute), that government agents can eavesdrop
> on attorney-client
> conversations, and that federal agents can conduct
> searches without judicial
> oversight.
>
> This is America?
>
> And understand that the so-called "War on Terrorism"
> is only two months old.
> This is just the beginning. What's still to come?
>
> In previous wars
> (http://free-market.net/spotlight/warandliberty/),
> citizens
> were imprisoned for speaking out against the
> government, newspapers were
> closed for protesting the war, private publications
> were censored, and
> people of foreign ancestry were put in concentration
> camps. We have a lot to
> look forward to.
>
>     Don't Be Deceived
>
> The press implies that the new civil-liberties
> invasions will apply only to
> terrorists.
>
> Not true.
>
> They apply to you, because anyone can be suspected
> of being a terrorist --
> including you. In fact, the new definition of
> "suspected terrorist" includes
> people speaking out against government policies.
>
> And if law-enforcement officials are to decide whose
> civil liberties will be
> denied, one of them may become convinced you're
> connected to the terrorists
> in some way, try you in a secret court, sentence
> you, imprison you, and even
> execute you -- with no opportunity for you to appeal
> the verdict or your
> sentence.
>
> This is America?
>
> An administration official told _The Washington
> Post_
>
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37718-2001Nov15.html)
> "The U.S. Constitution doesn't protect . . . anyone
> hiding and planning acts
> of violence." But what he meant was "The U.S.
> Constitution doesn't protect
> anyone _we suspect_ of hiding and planning acts of
> violence." They don't
> know who's actually guilty until after a civil,
> public trial -- conducted
> with all the traditional rules of evidence. What
> they have arrogated to
> themselves is the power to decide whether or not you
> will be protected by
> the Constitution.
>
> This is America?
>
> If you're not frightened by this, you're simply not
> paying attention.
>
>     Won't Be Limited to a Few People
>
> Have you been told that some of these invasions
> apply only to aliens -- or
> some other small group of people?
>
> Don't be reassured. When has any invasion of liberty
> not been expanded to
> cover all people eventually?
>
> The clearly unconstitutional RICO laws were supposed
> to apply only to
> organized crime -- but hardly a single Mafia kingpin
> has been prosecuted
> using RICO, while abortion protestors and
> stockbrokers have been jailed by
> these laws. The clearly unconstitutional
> asset-forfeiture laws were only to
> nab big-time drug dealers, but all across America
> the property of innocent
> people has been seized.
>
> It's only a matter of time until every new
> oppression applies to all
> Americans.
>
>     Why This Happened
>
> I said that many of those protesting these invasions
> brought this on
> themselves. How?
>
> It's very simple.
>
> Attorney General John Ashcroft
>
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37718-2001Nov15.html)
> justified the unconstitutional police-state tactics
> by saying, "I think
> it's important to understand that we are at war
> now."
>
> And there you have it. As Randolph Bourne said, "War
> is the health of the
> state." Once you grant the government war-making
> powers, you grant the
> politicians the power to do anything they want.
> After all, you can't put
> your own personal liberty ahead of the good of the
> Fatherland, can you?
>
> Congress didn't declare war. There were none of the
> usual pre-war
> negotiations to try to avoid going to war. We're not
> even at war with any
> specific nation. But just utter the magic word "war"
> and all your rights can
> be stolen from you.
>
> So if you hollered for war, you hollered to have
> your rights taken away from
> you.
>
> Who gave your rights away? _You_ did -- if you
> supported the idea that the
> politicians should be free to do anything they want
> to satisfy a national
> lust for revenge.
>
> Isn't it time to start taking back your liberty?
>
> ---
>
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> for the American Liberty Foundation.
> You can read more of his articles at
> www.HarryBrowne.org , and his books are
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At 08:06 PM 11/17/01 -0800, you wrote:
>ABQ Journal Saturday, November 17, 2001  E3
>New Mexico
>
>Means Accused of Battering Wife
>
>Indian Activist May Run for Gov.
>
>The Associated Press
>
>LAS VEGAS, N.M. - American Indian activist Russell
>Means has been arrested on a charge of domestic
>violence.
>
>Means, 62, was arrested and booked Wednesday night
>into the San Miguel County Detention Center after he
>was accused of battering his wife, Pearl. He was
>released the same night after he posted a $500 bond,
>according to jail records.
>
>Means, who earlier this year was nominated as a
>Libertarian candidate for governor, has denied the
>allegations, according to court records.
>
>Pearl Means, 41, said Friday she knew that a call to
>police would damage her husband's public image.
>
>"When we found ourselves in a domestic dispute on Nov.
>14, what I realized was that we needed intervention,"
>she said in a telephone interview from her office.
>
>Although Pearl Means said she will not defend her
>husband or speak on his behalf, she said she was not a
>victim. She takes "50 percent responsibility for the
>disharmony" that led to the incident.
>
>Pearl Means said that she has not seen her husband
>since Wednesday but that she has talked to him.
>
>Russell Means was in eastern New Mexico and did not
>immediately return phone calls seeking comment.
>
>Means had been nominated in June as the Libertarian
>Party's candidate for governor, but he and the
>Libertarians parted company over philosophy last
>month. He has since been exploring his options to run
>as an independent candidate.
>
>State Police responded to a domestic disturbance at
>Means' home in San Jose on Wednesday.
>
>The officer noticed a scrape underneath Pearl Means'
>right eye and a small swelling on her right foot,
>according to a statement filed for probable cause. The
>officer said that he saw additional evidence that she
>had had a nosebleed.
>
>Police said the altercation followed an argument over
>a young girl Means allegedly called several times
>within a month. Pearl Means said she confronted him
>about the calls that night.
>
>Pearl Means said her husband grabbed her and threw her
>onto the bed and overpowered her after the argument.
>
>She said she was able to go for the phone, but Means
>attempted to pull it away from her, which caused a
>scrape underneath her right eye, the court document
>states.
>
>State Police officer Carlos Salazar said Means was
>asleep in the bedroom when the officer arrived. His
>report states that Means had not consumed alcohol.
>
>Means told police that, after the argument, his wife
>threatened to call the girl and ask her why she was
>talking to him, the document states.
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ABQ Journal Saturday, November 17, 2001  E3
New Mexico

Means Accused of Battering Wife

Indian Activist May Run for Gov.

The Associated Press

LAS VEGAS, N.M. - American Indian activist Russell
Means has been arrested on a charge of domestic
violence.

Means, 62, was arrested and booked Wednesday night
into the San Miguel County Detention Center after he
was accused of battering his wife, Pearl. He was
released the same night after he posted a $500 bond,
according to jail records.

Means, who earlier this year was nominated as a
Libertarian candidate for governor, has denied the
allegations, according to court records.

Pearl Means, 41, said Friday she knew that a call to
police would damage her husband's public image.

"When we found ourselves in a domestic dispute on Nov.
14, what I realized was that we needed intervention,"
she said in a telephone interview from her office.

Although Pearl Means said she will not defend her
husband or speak on his behalf, she said she was not a
victim. She takes "50 percent responsibility for the
disharmony" that led to the incident.

Pearl Means said that she has not seen her husband
since Wednesday but that she has talked to him.

Russell Means was in eastern New Mexico and did not
immediately return phone calls seeking comment.

Means had been nominated in June as the Libertarian
Party's candidate for governor, but he and the
Libertarians parted company over philosophy last
month. He has since been exploring his options to run
as an independent candidate.

State Police responded to a domestic disturbance at
Means' home in San Jose on Wednesday.

The officer noticed a scrape underneath Pearl Means'
right eye and a small swelling on her right foot,
according to a statement filed for probable cause. The
officer said that he saw additional evidence that she
had had a nosebleed.

Police said the altercation followed an argument over
a young girl Means allegedly called several times
within a month. Pearl Means said she confronted him
about the calls that night.

Pearl Means said her husband grabbed her and threw her
onto the bed and overpowered her after the argument.

She said she was able to go for the phone, but Means
attempted to pull it away from her, which caused a
scrape underneath her right eye, the court document
states.

State Police officer Carlos Salazar said Means was
asleep in the bedroom when the officer arrived. His
report states that Means had not consumed alcohol.

Means told police that, after the argument, his wife
threatened to call the girl and ask her why she was
talking to him, the document states.

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As Bill Koehler and I preparing to do the TV show last night [New
Mexico's Consumer Advocate], we were discussing the aftermath of the
treason of Russell Means on Monday.

In the course of the chatting, Bill said that he and Tom Mann were
talking in Tom's office recently, and that Tom said, "I'll do it."
Meaning that Tom would be willing to run for governor as the
Libertarian candidate for the 2002 election. When Bill relayed this to
me, I said that I'd pass it along to the rest of the LPNM.
______________________________________________________________________

- Mike Blessing
   The Sedition Group           --> http://www.seditiongroup.org
   Tyranny Response Team of NM  --> http://trt-nm.seditiongroup.org
   LP of Bernalillo County, NM  --> http://lpbcnm.seditiongroup.org

"Pornography, tax evasion and gunrunning are what made (and still
make) America the greatest nation on earth."
- Rex Nulla

"Everyone finds the sacred in different places - for example, the
Bible, Torah, Qur'an or Mother Earth. Myself - I prefer naked women
and assault rifles."
- Rex Nulla

Russell Means is a terrorist by every definition of the word. He knew
exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it. I doubt seriously that
the money he received in contributions from NM Libertarians will find it's
way back to those who donated. He's done this before.

Bill English



At 01:41 AM 10/25/01 -0600, you wrote:
>"Todd A. Barnett" wrote:
> >
> > It turns out that Russell Means, who is currently running as a
> gubernatorial
> > candidate in the State of New Mexico, will be running as an Independent
> > rather than as a Libertarian.
> >
> > Another reason why the LP is in serious trouble. We're dropping activists
> > like flies.
> >
> > Here's the URL in case anyone wants to read it there instead of here:
> >
> >
>
http://www.sfnewmexican.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=2538518&BRD=2144&PAG=461&dept_i\
d=367954&rfi=6
>
>Goodbye and good riddance to this sorry sack of trash. Speaking as
>someone who's on the ground, I'm NOT sorry to see him go.
>
>He didn't mention in the article that he wanted us to seek coalitions
>with the Green Party, the Neighborhood Party, the Natural Law Party,
>El Partido de La Raza, and the Labor Party. He DID bring this up in
>a Central Committee meeting of the LPNM on 10 Sept 2001, and then
>wondered why several members resigned in protest.
>
>Then on 19 Sept 2001, at UNM, he gave a talk where he said that the
>U.S. Government should stop giving to foreign dictators and instead
>give it directly to the people in the nations in question. He also
>said that the Al Qaeda terrs have a philosophy of "Freedom or
>Paradise" and wouldn't it be great if we had them on our side.
>______________________________________________________________________
>
>- Mike Blessing
>   The Sedition Group           --> http://www.seditiongroup.org
>   Tyranny Response Team of NM  --> http://trt-nm.seditiongroup.org
>   LP of Bernalillo County, NM  --> http://lpbcnm.seditiongroup.org
>
>"Pornography, tax evasion and gunrunning are what made (and still
>make) America the greatest nation on earth."
>- Rex Nulla
>
>"Everyone finds the sacred in different places - for example, the
>Bible, Torah, Qur'an or Mother Earth. Myself - I prefer naked women
>and assault rifles."
>- Rex Nulla
>
>
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Joseph Knight wrote:
>
> Russell Means has indicated that he will refund
> campaign donations to Libertarians. I challenge LPNM
> members to recover that money and donate it to the
> party instead! Campaign Treasurer Charles Stuppy,
> along with most other Libertarians, is leaving the
> campaign so requests should be submitted directly to
> Means. Here is the contact information:
>
> Russell Means, P.O. Box 102, San Jose, NM 87565.
>
> "Russell Means" <treaty@...>

I'd also include any in-kind donations - equipment provided for use at
rallies, materials, etc. No sense in only getting half our money back.

And I'd also list Russell as officially banished from the LPNM - we do
NOT want him back in ANY capacity before, during or after the 2002
election. Let him join the Greens, La Raza, Natural Law Party, Labor
Party, the "Neighborhood Party," etc., and let them have a taste of
being stabbed in the back by their "star" candidate.
______________________________________________________________________

- Mike Blessing
   The Sedition Group           --> http://www.seditiongroup.org
   Tyranny Response Team of NM  --> http://trt-nm.seditiongroup.org
   LP of Bernalillo County, NM  --> http://lpbcnm.seditiongroup.org

"Pornography, tax evasion and gunrunning are what made (and still
make) America the greatest nation on earth."
- Rex Nulla

"Everyone finds the sacred in different places - for example, the
Bible, Torah, Qur'an or Mother Earth. Myself - I prefer naked women
and assault rifles."
- Rex Nulla

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fwd:  Re: [smith2004-discuss] Re: Russell Means
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:39:08 -0000
From: "Mike Blessing" <mikewb@...>
To: mikewb@...

--- In smith2004-discuss@y..., "L. Neil Smith" <lneil@e...> wrote:
Okay ...

     Scott's right, I wasn't going to say anything. But the fact is
that I know Russell Means. I've had two long private conversations
with
him, plus being present in a private home here in Fort Collins, during
a
prolonged and intense question and answer session that ended up
embarrassing the hostess -- because it might have offended Mr. Means.

     The sad facts are that Means is a media hound very much of the
same cut as Jesse Jackson. He isn't very bright (disappointingly) and
if
you knock him off the rails of his preplanned (some say well-coached)
patter, he can't respond intelligently. Ask him, for example, the
trick question Heinlein asked in _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_. under
what
circumstances do the rights of a group supersede the rights of an
individual and he'll do Ralph Kramden imitations: abba abba abba abba.
I know. I asked him.

     Nor do I believe that he gives a much of a shit about
libertarianism per se. He's like the little ball in the pinball
machine,
all over the place, a lot like another Jesse, Jesse Ventura. He just
wants
the LP as a publicity platform, and believes we owe it to him.

     Finally you should know that I call the breakfast speech I made at
the 1993 national LP convention the "de facto keynote address" because
the real keynote speaker never showed up and never told anybody why.
And that, of course, was Russell Means.

     My observations and opinions, for what they're worth.

"Todd A. Barnett" wrote:
>
> It turns out that Russell Means, who is currently running as a gubernatorial
> candidate in the State of New Mexico, will be running as an Independent
> rather than as a Libertarian.
>
> Another reason why the LP is in serious trouble. We're dropping activists
> like flies.
>
> Here's the URL in case anyone wants to read it there instead of here:
>
>
http://www.sfnewmexican.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=2538518&BRD=2144&PAG=461&dept_i\
d=367954&rfi=6

Goodbye and good riddance to this sorry sack of trash. Speaking as
someone who's on the ground, I'm NOT sorry to see him go.

He didn't mention in the article that he wanted us to seek coalitions
with the Green Party, the Neighborhood Party, the Natural Law Party,
El Partido de La Raza, and the Labor Party. He DID bring this up in
a Central Committee meeting of the LPNM on 10 Sept 2001, and then
wondered why several members resigned in protest.

Then on 19 Sept 2001, at UNM, he gave a talk where he said that the
U.S. Government should stop giving to foreign dictators and instead
give it directly to the people in the nations in question. He also
said that the Al Qaeda terrs have a philosophy of "Freedom or
Paradise" and wouldn't it be great if we had them on our side.
______________________________________________________________________

- Mike Blessing
   The Sedition Group           --> http://www.seditiongroup.org
   Tyranny Response Team of NM  --> http://trt-nm.seditiongroup.org
   LP of Bernalillo County, NM  --> http://lpbcnm.seditiongroup.org

"Pornography, tax evasion and gunrunning are what made (and still
make) America the greatest nation on earth."
- Rex Nulla

"Everyone finds the sacred in different places - for example, the
Bible, Torah, Qur'an or Mother Earth. Myself - I prefer naked women
and assault rifles."
- Rex Nulla

I think that lessons have been learned, and some people are suddenly not as
stupid as thought.

Bill





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You must have seen Joseph Knight's messages on the LPNM lists today. Amazing
that it took him this long to finally see what the rest of us were seeing
over a month ago.

Now...about taking the NM LP and turning it into a place for libertarians....

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Sheep, Wolf, or Sheepdog?

Many individuals seem to have a rather limited view of gun owners.
They are variously depicted as "good ol' boys" -- rebel rednecks who
are uneducated and for whom shooting is a cheap, macho thrill,
vigilantes who believe something along the lines of "Shoot 'em all --
let God sort 'em out", or patriotic, right-wing extremists who will
brook no argument over the precise meaning of each of the twenty-seven
words in the second amendment. These stereotypes aren't surprising;
they are the inevitable result of years of fomenting fear by gun
control advocates, biased reporting by most of the media, and
inaccurate portrayals of firearm use by the entertainment industry.

Well, where do I fit into those narrow stereotypes? I am an armed
mother. I own a variety of firearms. I have five children -- three
stepsons and two toddlers -- ranging from just over 1 year old to 14
years old. I am a passionate defender of any responsible individual's
right to keep and bear arms, for both ideological and practical
reasons. And I am not alone.

I first began shooting simply out of curiosity -- my former
father-in-law is an experienced hunter, and he wanted to share his
knowledge and enjoyment of firearms with his son and me. I fell in
love with his 12-gauge pump shotgun -- and became proficient with it
my first afternoon of shooting. With the first recoil into my
shoulder, before the booming echoes faded away, recognition of the
power I commanded flooded me. It filled me with something I'd not
known before: the absolute knowledge that if someone tried to mess
with me, I could successfully fight him -- or them -- off. Size was no
longer an insurmountable obstacle; numbers were more of a challenge
but I would have a much better chance being armed. I could fight --
and win!

I have since educated myself about responsible firearms use, handling,
and storage, and learned how to shoot different firearms. I have also
written numerous articles on RKBA topics and self-defense. While I am
by no means an expert, I enjoy reading and learning more about
firearms, and enjoy practicing with them. Due to my willingness to
write about firearms, I've had some interesting exchanges with
individuals from across the spectrum. In part as a result of that, and
also from my reading in the area, I have come to view individuals as
falling into one of three classes: sheep, wolf, and sheepdog.*

Sheep are, unfortunately, the most numerous group. Individuals who are
horrified by guns and protest indignantly that they would never own a
gun, because they could never hurt another human being are sheep. So
are individuals who, for whatever reason, can't or won't be bothered
to think about their own protection. Also in this group are those who
believe that the government -- the police, 911, etc. -- can and will
protect them, and so don't think about protecting themselves.

From the published accounts of in-flight conversations from people on
the three jets that became third world cruise missiles on 9-11,
slamming into the twin towers of the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon, most of the people on those jets -- and the people they
contacted -- were sheep. They allowed terrorists armed with knives and
box cutters to commandeer the aircraft, killing themselves and
thousands more in the buildings. Based on what we currently know of
those flights' last few minutes, no one made any attempt to resist the
terrorists. One woman who called her husband on a cell phone asked him
what they should do; sadly, he did not suggest she recruit some others
to overcome the terrorists. Those poor doomed souls had been so
conditioned into relying on someone else for their protection that
they apparently didn't even try to mount a resistance. They died
huddled into the back of the plane, like the sheep they'd become.

Wolves are the least numerous group, thankfully. Individuals who prey
on others, for whatever reason, are wolves. Terrorists, rapists,
thieves, and psychopathic killers are obviously wolves. So are those
who derive satisfaction from the power they wield over others, whether
by bullying or manipulating or deceiving. It's difficult to get a good
estimate of just how many wolves there are out there, because ways of
counting and defining them vary. According to the American Psychiatric
Association's measures, what I'm calling wolves can be classified into
three categories (it is possible for someone to belong in two or more
categories): antisocial personality disorder (most common criminals);
sociopaths; and psychopaths. The incidence of each of these in the
population is, respectively, 4%, 3%, and 1%.

It is possible for an individual to overreact to the threat that
wolves present to the rest of us, and become wolf-like. These
individuals typically make statements such as, "If anybody comes after
me he'll get the business end of my rifle!" or "If I'd had my gun with
me that SOB would have learned a thing or two courtesy of Mr.
Wesson!". They abuse the power of firearms, and become bullies -- as
long as they're behind their weapon. Fortunately, this kind of
"reactionary wolf" is similarly rare.

That leaves the individuals who know better than to rely on the empty
promises of security the government offers, and who educate themselves
and arm themselves with a variety of tools for self-protection. These
individuals aren't sheep, passively waiting and hoping someone else
will watch over us. Nor are they wolves, using their tools and
training against those who pose no real threat to them. They are
sheepdogs -- ever watchful, appraising potential problems and
responding appropriately to a threat. If a wolf approaches, they bark
first to warn it off. If it persists, they increase the defensive
measures. If the wolf begins its attack, only then does the sheepdog
unleash its most powerful weapon -- firearms -- to stop the lethal
threat to its life and loved ones.

In my work for Project: Safe Skies, I have heard the objection several
times that armed citizens on board a plane would overreact -- in
effect, becoming those reactionary wolves I described above. Sadly,
I've even heard this from individuals who describe themselves as
"pro-gun". If the possibilities were limited to sheep and wolves --
prey and predators -- it is possible that someone simply saying hello
to his companion while on a jet -- "Hi, Jack!" -- could get shot by a
reactionary wolf with a quick trigger finger. The reality is that most
gun owners are sheepdogs: prepared, alert, and thinking. Threats are
assessed and dealt with an appropriate fashion, rather than
drawing the gun and firing away every time.

In fact, armed citizens have a better record of successfully targeting
criminals than do police officers. Sheepdogs mistakenly shoot
innocent individuals in only 2% of shootings; for police the rate is
11%.(1) If you think about it, this makes sense. Civilians don't
have the protections that come with the badge a cop wears. Instead, if
they fire (or even show a weapon in many states) inappropriately, the
civilian can face criminal and civil suits that can lead to
bankruptcy, and the loss of a good reputation in the community.
Because of the higher standard of accountability, many sheepdogs also
work hard to maintain solid defensive skills--often times much harder
than law enforcement officers do. That training pays off in greater
safety.

I have 7 excellent reasons to be armed and prepared to meet any threat
that may come my way: my life and the lives of my wonderful partner
and five beautiful children. As a mother, it is my responsibility to
raise my children to be healthy, responsible adults. This includes
protecting them from and educating them about potential dangers in the
world. That's why I'm a sheepdog. My responsibility does not end when
we set foot on airport property. Indeed, the events of 9-11 (another
failure of government safety schemes, but I'll save that topic for
another day) have demonstrated that sheepdogs are in even greater
demand than ever before.

So, what are you? A sheep, a wolf, or a sheepdog?

If you don't like what you are, you can change it. Becoming a sheepdog
is a matter of having the will and learning how. I'll address that
topic in another essay.

                             Sunni Maravillosa

* Thanks to Massad Ayoob for these labels; when I read his column
in    Backwoods Home Magazine it brought together a lot of my
rambling   thoughts on individual psychology and guns.
   --> http://www.backwoodshomemagazine.com

1. George F. Will, "Are We 'A Nation of Cowards'?," Newsweek (15
November 1993).
   --> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Bridge/2431/will.html

This article can be found at
   --> http://www.projectsafeskies.org/gunowners.html

Project: Safe Skies home page
   --> http://www.projectsafeskies.org/
______________________________________________________________________

- Mike Blessing
   The Sedition Group           --> http://www.seditiongroup.com
   Tyranny Response Team of NM  --> http://trt-nm.seditiongroup.com
   LP of Bernalillo County, NM  --> http://lpbcnm.seditiongroup.com

"Pornography, tax evasion and gunrunning are what made (and still
make) America the greatest nation on earth."
- Rex Nulla

"Everyone finds the sacred in different places - for example, the
Bible, Torah, Qur'an or Mother Earth. Myself - I prefer naked women
and assault rifles."
- Rex Nulla

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Project: Safe Skies Websites
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A related site -

ArmedPassengers.com - Real security for the traveling public...
   --> http://www.armedpassengers.com

And why does the majordomo software care how many lists I send to?
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- Mike Blessing
   The Sedition Group           --> http://www.seditiongroup.com
   Tyranny Response Team of NM  --> http://trt-nm.seditiongroup.com
   LP of Bernalillo County, NM  --> http://lpbcnm.seditiongroup.com
                     (Websites under construction)

"Pornography, tax evasion and gunrunning are what made (and still
make) America the greatest nation on earth."
- Rex Nulla

"Everyone finds the sacred in different places - for example, the
Bible, Torah, Qur'an or Mother Earth. Myself - I prefer naked women
and assault rifles."
- Rex Nulla