Yesterday Benoit Couture and I chatted about his project which he is
organizing on the occassion of the Queen of England's visit to Alberta,
and the centennial there. He's working on that at our working group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lovingGod/
I don't understand it all, but I look forward to learning more.

I share our chat to show Benoit's very deep passion as an example of
what is in us all and what we might tap into and share. And also how I
think it helps us to focus on our "key concepts" and "investigatory
questions". Benoit's is "the experience of unity", and his question is,
"How do we get in sync?", by which he means: "Within the experience of
unity with God and one another, there is only one voice. How do we tune
in on the web and from here to our living space?"

I note that our lab and our network is wonderful in that we bring
together and hold together such a variety of outlooks. We have very
many thoughtful atheists or nontheists. And when we look at our key
concepts we find some interesting ways to connect. So, for example, my
friend John Harland, who is very scientifically minded, has for his key
concept "the experience of life". And Edward Cherlin has written about
"unity of salvation". I'm happy that we can listen to Benoit and others
and have them stretch our thinking.

Benoit is also interested in my services, and our lab's services, of
"working openly" for his projects. Here I bring up our rule that at our
lab, we note that "money brings people together, but you can't pay
people to care". So we don't do or host work for pay that fosters
"caring". That would include caring about God or others or
relationships with them. It would include education, mentoring,
facilitation, etc. as far as they involve "caring". We don't do that
for money because there's no way to measure "caring" except by taking
away incentives like money. Caring requires "self-direction" and you
can't pay for self-direction, you can't offer incentives so people would
ignore incentives.

Instead, we do and host work for pay that fosters "thinking". That
might include building tools or systems that help people think more
powerfully, sensitively, simply, concretely, relevantly, energetically.
It's an important rule so that we don't deceive ourselves and others
about what we can do for them "for pay" or otherwise. I think that the
current state of education, consultancy, etc. illustrates in many ways
that the "for pay" approach is dysfunctional (or simply perverse) for
such things. But this is something I need to think about more as we get
more kinds of work. And something for us to hammer out as we work more
closely together. I wish this to be one of our most basic shared rules,
another one being to work in the Public Domain except as noted. A third
rule is that we work for the success of all. Those three rules have
seemed adequate. These are "constitutional" issues for our work
together for us to think about.

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 (5) 264 5950
Vilnius, Lithuania

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Benoit: Hi Andrius, how can I communicate to you into a ground swell
movemnet idea in Canada, as ordered by Cod Himself? Just so we do not
waste time :: ...I meant God ::

Andrius: hi

Benoit: pressure is building because of reality. How cyber activity
help?

Andrius: maybe it can't

Benoit: What is all the work for?

Andrius: which work?

Benoit: The one I am in now with you. The work of hosting God in
our midst. His directions on how humanity can heal.

Andrius: what is it for? :: is that your question?

Benoit: I am not sure of your question.

Andrius: You asked, what is all this work for

Benoit: I joined in through the "loving Gog" goup. Are we inventing
Him or are we hosting Him?

Andrius: I can tell you why I'm interested in fostering God's
leadership. My personal interest is "living by truth". I would like
God to be more evident, more obvious, more present. :: So one approach
is to include him. In our laboratory we integrate people by fostering
their leadership. So we can foster God's as well.

Benoit: A very good sermon I heard was making the point that truth
by itself kills because it is too harsh and love by itself has no spine
to stand up with. Jesus was the fulness of grace and truth. The Spirit
is the gift of that Life here and now. We only need to receive the
instrucyions as He gives them to us here and now. That's where your last
writing is, about the spirit :: Ultimatly One approach is all He offers...

Andrius: well, what do you seek?

Benoit: The best leaders are the most faithfull followers. Are we
followeres siding along in the communion of His Presence or are we
repeating the deceit of all ages into cyber space?

Andrius: who am I to know?

Benoit: You are His child as I am

Andrius: his children are those who do as he does :: he is a
creator and his children are creators

Benoit: and no one can do that without His Presence, His will and
His word, here and now and that is where from I am looking to hook up
with His own.

Andrius: well, I'm glad that you're with us

Benoit: Your search is to find so that you can search further but
always finding and growing...

Andrius: what about your search? what do you search for?

Benoit: It is in such a search that I found you and we might never
meet in person before death. but living eternally has already gotte a
hold of one another and I bless you for it

Andrius: I'm glad, too!

Benoit: My searcgh is the experience of unity the one unity that
treanscends all fears doubts and confusion

Andrius: How have you searched for it so far?

Benoit: The connection between my personal history and destiny is
where I am heading

Andrius: yes?

Benoit: The phone has me. I'll be back

Andrius: ok

Benoit: I spoke of the connection of history with destiny. This
speaks of the awareness of I am, being at the source of i am. Like Van
Morisson signs: "I'm gonna pray to my Higher self, keep my feet on the
ground dont let me down." Eternal life is of a different nature than the
animal life. The cyber activity needs a ground to land its finding into
reality. That's the connection I am looking for with all the www. To
draw all intelligence in focus to be practiced in Canada

Andrius: I'm working for a bit - but may be available in half an hour

Benoit: Marvelous to inter act with you. Thanks and talk to you later

Andrius: I'm free to continue if you like - I read your letter

Benoit: I am just finishing a post. Would you go read my last one?
It might help to go on between the 2 of us

Andrius: I read your letter on Being loved by God.

Benoit: soon I'll be back :: Hi again :

Andrius: hi

Benoit: There is a "here and now" of the Lord which calls for the
assembling to be recognise and that the feel I get from the search we
are in on the web. Not exclusively but most intensively, because of the
distance it allows us to cover, beyond real time travelling. Labs as the
one we meet are needed to simmer thoughts and refine them until
production is ready and that's where I am not sure how to hook up with
the likes of yourself and the rest of the servants of God

Andrius: I am not sure either, but we will try :: what do you think
is needed?

Benoit: are events not needed to be responded to massively from the
web capacities?

Andrius: where do you think God's interest is?

Benoit: He seek as a father the personal worshipers in truth and in
spirit. We find Him by seeking Him there

Andrius: where does worship occur or not?

Benoit: He loved us first. We respond. The spirit is an organ of
the human being. So is the heart and that is where He puts His laws. Not
commands, but laws.

Andrius: I imagine that the key place is inside a person - that is
where the drama takes place

Benoit: absolutly and that is why it is crucial to be at least 2 or
3 gathered in His name before wholesomeness can occur completly

Andrius: or not more than 2 or 3 :: perhaps :: and for all we know,
God is one of those 2 or 3

Benoit: What I mean is that one person can never contain God by one
self. That is Jesus alone who could. We are given the same, but in the
communion

Andrius: Which is to say, I feel there is a lot of open room in the
Gospels - we don't know for sure the meaning of at least a third of what
Jesus says. :: And would you limit a person - would you tell them they
are not Jesus - if you have no way to know? Maybe they are Jesus.

Benoit: That is until the simplicity of God's revelation governs us
in truth and in spirit :: I am not the one who carries someone else's
witness.

Andrius: I just mean to say that our inner drama is key. External
dramas I think are also interesting to God, but I suppose primarily as a
way for people to understand the implications of their personal choices,
and look inward. :: If, as you say, you don't carry someone else's
witness, then it may make sense to focus on your own testimony - what
you have found - rather than state absolutely what holds for others. ::
Or if you do state absolutely, have it flow from what you know yourself.

Benoit: Andrius, my life is made of so many things that can not be
explained that it is as though I have been deranged since I was 4. I am
trying to see love through as God shines it in you and I. There is an
unfolding of events happening in Canada and I feel like I must
respond..I know what to respond but I dont have the tools. That's why I
am here. :: These events are of great significance to the work you do
and to the work of all God's children. Somehow, it seems like the window
of opportunity will close and I'll have to live with this: "...it could
have...it could have..."

Andrius: I'm glad for you that you enjoy such a purposeful life ::
I think others would like that as well. :: What is the window of
opportunity that you speak of? Is it the coming of the queen?

Benoit: HOW CAN I SHARE THE LOAD?

Andrius: I have some thoughts on that. :: But tell me more, what is
your load?

Benoit: It is called...cleansing our vision of the Crown... It is a
socio-cultural healing strategy that treats the British Empire to health
through the Canadian history's arrival to ground zero

Andrius: I didn't understand it all - but from what I understood -
you are looking for conceptual unity - in the British, French, Native
American traditions - as a source of healing.

Benoit: The Queen is coming to my town on May 23rd 2005 to
celebrate the centennial

Andrius: yes

Benoit: this is the window

Andrius: your town is very small?

Benoit: the project is to have her stay in Canada to complete a
work done by her provincial rep last year

Andrius: what work?

Benoit: should I post what I have ready for this?

Andrius: sure

Benoit: I'll talk to you after

Andrius: ok, let me know when you have sent it

Benoit: It is

Andrius: what are SUFA and HUFA?

Benoit: Social Union Framework Agreement H is for Human

Andrius: and what do they mean? :: and what does NAF mean?

Benoit: SUFA is the tool that hooks up all social services offices
in Canada except for one province :: NAF is a stage character design to
embody the message artistically

Andrius: what would you like from me and others?

Benoit: Promotion that will accept to get in sync

Andrius: well, I can explain how I approach promotion :: you
mentioned that you are your own witness

Benoit: do you want to do it?

Andrius: so likewise I and others :: so I can promote what I am a
witness of

Benoit: Can U.S. get to become us

Andrius: and there isn't much way that I can be a witness to your
tactics :: but I can be a witness to your values

Benoit: if you agree that makes you one of the 2 needed to be heard
from God

Andrius: I shouldn't agree to something I don't or can't
understand. :: So let's focus on what I might understand. :: And that
would be your own values. :: What is at the heart of what you are doing?

Benoit: the peace which surpasses all understanding is where I am
calling from and to

Andrius: please explain

Benoit: Comes a point where questions must be silenced to give way
to the answer

Andrius: is that what you mean by the Quietning Silence of Patient
Wisdom ?

Benoit: Indeed. It is the understanding of why monarchy got to be
silenced by Law, so that one day, all high places of the Earth could
recognise our relation to God

Andrius: you also mentioned "the experience of unity". Are they
related somehow?

Benoit: They are related in that unity is a matter of completion of
one anotherThe people who where led through the ice age are still being
denied their due place in teaching us, Europeans, that :: ...that our
knowledge does not know much

Andrius: at our lab, I'm finding it helpful to ask people to
express their "key concept" - what is personally most important to them
- and opens the window onto all of their values, links to them, is deepest.

Benoit: The Quietning Silence...is the constitutional step needed
in Canada to close the gap between the genesis of out era and the
genesis that enentually became the ice age, so that our genesis could start.

Andrius: I'm curious what that is for you, how you would phrase it

Benoit: The experience of unity. In the reality of that experience
I know God, myself and my neighbour as myself. From here on, I am
disposed to grow into "...the disciple is not greater than the master,
but all accomplished disciple shall be like the master."

Andrius: So I think it's best for us, in working with you, to focus
on "experience of unity". :: Then we have the most direct link with you
:: and we can best support you :: and have the best hope of
understanding you and learning from you. :: And our lab is an open space
where you can explore that.

Benoit: How can I respond in kind so as to ease it all :: without
waisting away

Andrius: So a good place to start is to state a question that you
don't know the answer to, but intend to answer. :: For example, "How can
I respond in kind so as to ease it all without wasting away?" :: But
what do you mean by that?

Benoit: How do we get in sync?

Andrius: How do we respond to each other so as to ease our loads?
:: "How do we get in sync?" is pretty clear, but perhaps you could expand.

Benoit: Within the experience of unity with God and one another,
there ie only one voice. How do we tune in on the web and from here to
our living space?

Andrius: That's clearly stated. :: Hey, may I post your key concept
and your question?

Benoit: You have been such a partner of the Road, please, feel free
to spread as far as God keeps you sane...

Andrius: and may I share our chat - and assume it is Public Domain?
:: I will send it to our Loving God group

Benoit: Completly...absolutly...wholesomely...I also have a 113
pages file of my journey to go with my Alberta Court of Queen's Bench
doc. Do you want it?

Andrius: You might upload it in our files section or send a link.
:: I don't expect to look at it, though. :: But we will be working
together. :: Do you have a website? :: Also you might put portions up on
our wiki if they are in the Public Domain. ::
http://www.openleader.com/index.php/LovingGod/Welcome

Benoit: No web site yet. I'll hold back on the 113. I also have a
letter I sent to that Chris that you posted about yesterday. Do you want
that?

Andrius: best to share through our groups, but to do a little bit
at a time. You might share it next week. :: Or use our wiki. :: OK, so
thinking in this way, next week we might continue regarding the queen.
:: I want to go outside now while it is still light! :: Thank you for
chatting. :: Peace.

Benoit: Do you see a plan happen to get an emergency ground swell
happening for the 23rd of May 2005? Can you coach me as to how do I save
our chat?

Andrius: I saved it and will send it. :: Look at your menu bar,
there should be a way to save it.

Benoit: Peace to you and thanks. Good walk

Andrius: I don't know of any way for a ground swell. But let's
think about it.