Friends, Can anyone look at the following two passages side by side, and make a good case that PG version derived from the canonical version? I doubt it ...
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loisy@egroups.com
Aug 2, 2000 4:17 pm
Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the loisy group: After examining the two versions of John the Baptist's testimony about Jesus (Jn 3:22-36),...
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Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 2, 2000 5:35 pm
... I don't think I agree with this, Rick. In my view, the most logical picture of the earliest Jewish-Christian catechesis would have been as follows. "Jesus...
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Emmanuel.Fritsch@...
Aug 2, 2000 5:37 pm
Hello All, I'm just arrived on this list. I'm french, with a costly but very bad level in english. I apologize for all faults I already made in few lines, and...
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Kevin Venzke
kvenzke@...
Aug 2, 2000 5:41 pm
... I have a little instinctive concern, in that, if *you* are capable of discerning what are later expansions of the text, then surely a harmonizer, with the...
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Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 3, 2000 3:55 pm
... That's OK, Emmanuel. You can make all the mistakes you want, and if something is unclear, we will ask. :) ... His 1992 book on PG is great, but I doubt so...
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dlford777@...
Aug 3, 2000 4:18 pm
PART IV - THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF JESUS PAPER 163 - ORDINATION OF THE SEVENTY AT MAGADAN A few days after the return of Jesus and the twelve to Magadan from ...
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Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 3, 2000 4:25 pm
... Kevin, But this assumes that the compiler of PG treated his source(s) in a free manner. I don't think this assumption is justified. Besides, it is...
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Kevin Venzke
kvenzke@...
Aug 3, 2000 5:00 pm
... It may not be justified. I'm just calling it as I see it. I don't think it's properly just an "assumption," since to mine eye it would seem to be ...
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Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 3, 2000 5:20 pm
... Brian, I don't think it can be presupposed that, early on, there were any isolated Christian communities. Unless it can be shown otherwise, early ...
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forrest curo
forest@...
Aug 4, 2000 3:36 am
The fact that PG text "is so much simpler" and "flows more smoothly" is an ... Suggestion. If you want a GOOD test for primitivity, try to translate it back...
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forrest curo
forest@...
Aug 4, 2000 3:45 am
Well, I was gossipping about off-list, & now it looks like I'm about to get commented on my comments, so here's the original. Now BD can muddy it up even more...
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forrest curo
forest@...
Aug 4, 2000 4:09 am
... Okay, this matches historically-based interpretations I find likely. Q would have been a connected discourse on how to run a community within the Kingdom...
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forrest curo
forest@...
Aug 4, 2000 4:17 am
... I am refering specifically to the NON-Q material in the synoptics. So I'm thinking of Q as the 'rulebook', whether written or otherwise, and the narrative...
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Kanefer@...
Aug 4, 2000 10:59 am
In a message dated 8/3/00 8:40:26 PM, you wrote: Forrest, this is brilliant. Sincerely, Patti <<Suggestion. If you want a GOOD test for primitivity, try to...
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Kanefer@...
Aug 4, 2000 11:23 am
<<>> GTh presupposes an itinerant charismatic ministry. ... call 'enlightenment', illumination, mystic insight in other words.>> I look at GoT and see three...
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Kanefer@...
Aug 4, 2000 11:27 am
One thing is for sure, for Jesus to be a noteworthy individual, he would have tp be published... There would have to be a work of writing about him for him to...
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Emmanuel.Fritsch@...
Aug 4, 2000 1:08 pm
Hello All, # > I know some works of Boismard, who is the guy (I think) who # > revealed the interest of Pepys' harmony for gospel study. # # His 1992 book on...
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Rick Hubbard
rhubbard@...
Aug 4, 2000 3:23 pm
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Rick Hubbard wrote: "The as-yet-unresolved problem of how to devise a defensible dating theory for the Gospel of Thomas moves no closer to...
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Rick Hubbard
rhubbard@...
Aug 4, 2000 4:05 pm
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Larry Swain Wrote: "For those of you out there who are interested in exploring what scholars are currently saying about the New Testament,...
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Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 4, 2000 5:32 pm
Kevin, If you wish to deal with this question seriously, you'll have to begin by presenting a clear alternative hypothesis of your own. What is the...
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Kevin Venzke
kvenzke@...
Aug 4, 2000 6:41 pm
... I'm afraid that I don't have enough knowledge of the text. But it would seem to me at the moment that almost any hypothesis related to the compiler's...
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L. J. Swain
x99swain@...
Aug 4, 2000 9:24 pm
... make a ... doubt it ... QED. ... and is ... That's your problem, the smoother and simpler reading is taken to be the later version, perhaps you should go...
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Kanefer@...
Aug 5, 2000 2:12 am
I wonder if anyone has ever made a forgery of a scroll, fragment or gospel document - that has been revealed? Sincerely, Patti...
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Kanefer@...
Aug 5, 2000 2:25 am
What I meant was - to carry authority, just as now, one must have been published or included in a book. Oral tradition is living, while written tradition...
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forrest curo
forest@...
Aug 5, 2000 3:43 am
... Nope. Think about Homer. If the Torah was in fact written some very long time after the alleged events, as is generally believed, then Moses would be...
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Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 5, 2000 4:47 pm
Since nobody else wants to discuss Jn 3:22-36 (except Kevin who is still trying to formulate his aternative hypothesis), then I guess it's back to the old...
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Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 5, 2000 4:48 pm
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, forrest curo wrote: [Yuri:] ... Forrest, The simplest assumption is that these passages were added ex post facto. This is what most...
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Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 5, 2000 5:35 pm
... It's never too late to learn, Kevin. ... Your assumption is that PG was the product of medieval folk. But this assumption is groundless. ... PG copies...
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Kanefer@...
Aug 5, 2000 6:05 pm
Yuri wrote:<<Since nobody else wants to discuss Jn 3:22-36 (except Kevin who is still trying to formulate his aternative hypothesis)>>... I have kind of wanted...
