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Domino Article Slams IBM, Claims SaaS Shall Inherit the Earth   Message List  
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http://www.dominopower.com/issues/issue200808/00002220001.html


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"The best way to predict the future is to invent it." - Alan Kay (at Xerox PARC,
1971)
Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:57 pm

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http://www.dominopower.com/issues/issue200808/00002220001.html -- Global System Services Corporation (GSS) 650 Castro Street, Suite 120-268, Mountain View, CA... 		Ron Herardian
rherardi
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
3:57 pm

Fluff. Written to promote your new product. With no actual analysis of data presented to justify the conclusions, it is rather unconvincing. -rich...
Richard Schwartz
rhsatrhs
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
5:02 pm

Rich, The article is not in itself a whitepaper or a market analysis. I would suggest considering the vast array of data such as: "For businesses with...
Ron Herardian
rherardi
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
6:50 pm

Numbers can be manipulated any which way you choose... We just migrated a 460 user shop company from a hosted Exchange environment to a Domino running on a...
Robert Laing
r_d_laing
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
6:55 pm

I strongly agree but there is, after all, an objective reality independent of our thoughts (and regardless of any potentially ridiculous claims made by the...
Ron Herardian
rherardi
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
7:29 pm

Personally, I laugh at most of what Microsoft says. Bob From: Ron Herardian <rherardi@...> To: lnotes-l-new@yahoogroups.com Date: 08/15/2008 03:28 PM ...
Robert Laing
r_d_laing
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
7:43 pm

Haven't heard anyone weigh in with insights on the whole email mechanism being dated. All communication in the future will be via an IM,,Presence, twitering...
aj.mccartan@...
ajmccartan
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
7:47 pm

You said: I personally believe it comes down to this: Microsoft says they're going to own 40% of the SaaS market for messaging and collaboration by 2013. Do ...
Brian.M.Moore@...
herald5
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
7:52 pm

Ron, you're not creditable. Your company website prominently displays Microsoft-centred products. The front page starts with two products to move off Lotus and...
Brian.M.Moore@...
herald5
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
7:04 pm

The article does not even cite any independent analysis. It just tosses that aside with "Whatever top analysts say (and they disagree)..." My favorite part of...
Richard Schwartz
rhsatrhs
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
7:40 pm

Rich, I can understand the natural reluctance people may feel consider a point if view different from their own but let us remember that the discussion here is...
Ron Herardian
rherardi
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
7:56 pm

You just made my point. Twice. It is one man's opinion, and I do not take your word for it. (And in my current role I don't have CIO/CFO access, so the...
Richard Schwartz
rhsatrhs
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
8:11 pm

Rich, You've made a number of claims and not provided any evidence to prove even one of them :-). All that's required for my predictions to come true is for...
Ron Herardian
rherardi
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
8:26 pm

Indeed I have made a couple of claims. But I'm not the one who published an article based on my opinions, and then threw out links to it in multiple places...
Richard Schwartz
rhsatrhs
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
8:50 pm

Rich, As impressed as I am with your Googling skills I have to say that, to put it simply, nothing you've suggested (or cited) supports the view that Notes and...
Ron Herardian
rherardi
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
9:07 pm

No Googling involved, Ron. The Krugman article is in today's NY Times. The others came through my RSS feed within the past few days, and I happened to ...
Richard Schwartz
rhsatrhs
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
9:42 pm

Does anyone actually still read DominoPower any more? ... Listen to my Podcast, Words and Music: http://www.theturtle.biz You weren't using those 30 minutes...
The Turtle
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Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
6:31 pm

- only in the futile attempt to find the <unsubscribe> button The Turtle <turtle@...> Sent by: lnotes-l-new@yahoogroups.com 08/15/2008 11:31 AM Please...
aj.mccartan@...
ajmccartan
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
6:37 pm

Stay in your shell, turtle. The world outside is big and bad. Ron ... -- Global System Services Corporation (GSS) 650 Castro Street, Suite 120-268, Mountain...
Ron Herardian
rherardi
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
6:52 pm

Wow, Ron, as impressive a post as your original article. You should probably check out the comments here: http://benpoole.com/weblog/200808150753 ...
Ed Brill
ka9taw
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
10:03 pm

Well, Ed, I expect you'll be busy polishing up your resume. "No point in reading" is a good epitaph for you buddy. Maybe next time you'll think before you...
Ron Herardian
rherardi
Offline Send Email 		Aug 15, 2008
11:49 pm

Ron, don't worry about my career. As the product sales leader for Notes/Domino over the last four years, I've grown the business by 25% CAGR, with 15 quarters...
Ed Brill
ka9taw
Offline Send Email 		Aug 16, 2008
3:36 am

Ed, Why aren't your emails from your IBM email address, Ed? Do you want to make sure you're not on the hook for what you say? It doesn't surprise me based on...
Ron Herardian
rherardi
Offline Send Email 		Aug 16, 2008
3:51 am

The fastest way to join LNotes-L was with my existing Yahoo ID - but I think anyone here knows they can reach me at ed_brill@.... I don't think anyone...
Ed Brill
ka9taw
Offline Send Email 		Aug 16, 2008
4:06 am

First, regarding the real issues; Web 2.0 / AJAX / SaaS; Earth to Ed Brill! Hello Ed? Are you there? Hello? Perhaps someone at IBM is listening. Of course...
Ron Herardian
rherardi
Offline Send Email 		Aug 16, 2008
6:40 am

Mr. Brill, While I may not totally agree with you professionally (ask me about Lotus' support for DoD sometime), as a multi-decade veteran of the software ...
jmccann@...
compperfmgmt...
Offline Send Email 		Aug 16, 2008
12:01 pm

Nice One Ed, I used to get upset and disillusioned every time some senior excecutive annouced that we were moving off the Domino platform to Exchange, although...
ron.devereux@...
rpd153
Offline Send Email 		Aug 16, 2008
6:30 pm

Oh, grow up, all of you. Can't there be a rational discussion that doesn't devolve into personal insults? Geez, boys are so stupid... Esther Strom, PCLP Notes...
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esthermstrom
Online Now Send Email 		Aug 18, 2008
4:23 pm

Folks, While I find this thread, probably the most active since 9/11, absolutely fascinating and wish that I was in a position to chip in with some authority I...
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mikej2211
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