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In a 5-2 decision, the majority argues that because Florida general limited
partnership charging order statutes expressly provide the remedy is exclusive
and the LLC provision does not, the LLC provision is not exclusive and thus levy
and execution is available. Obviously this is not what the Florida legislature
intended and cuts against the common law of charging orders. RUPA first provided
the charging order was exclusive because common law so provided. Below is a link
to a table I maintain on charging order statutes nationally. The right hand
column provides when the statutes expressly reference exclusive. You will be
surprised how many states do not expressly reference exclusivity. If followed,
this case could mean havoc for the many states where the charging order remedy
is not stated to be exclusive. Enjoy.


http://ssrn.com/abstract=1542244

Carter


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In a 5-2 decision, the majority argues that because Florida general limited partnership charging order statutes expressly provide the remedy is exclusive and...
Carter G. Bishop
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Jun 25, 2010
11:20 am

Carter: Carter: Wow. Thanks very much for letting us know about this decision. In case it's useful to others in this group, here's a link to the text of the...
John Cunningham
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Jun 25, 2010
11:42 am

When one statute say "exclusive" and another statute on same topic does not say "exclusive" it should be no great surprise that judges would say one remedy is...
Callison, J. William
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Jun 25, 2010
3:53 pm

Does someone have a citation? If it was sent earlier, I can't find it. Michael ________________________________ Michael A....
Bamberger, Michael A.
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Jun 25, 2010
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2010 wl 2518106 From: lnet-llc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lnet-llc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bamberger, Michael A. Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:57 AM To:...
Callison, J. William
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Jun 25, 2010
4:07 pm

What needs to be fixed in the LLC context is unwarranted asset protection for sole members of an LLC. The charging order provision, and the built-in,...
Kleinberger, Daniel
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Jun 25, 2010
4:00 pm

If the LLC statute does not say "exclusive" isn't the first question whether there should be exclusivity in general? If yes, then that is the first fix for...
Callison, J. William
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Jun 25, 2010
4:27 pm

I will say that exclusivity was built into the common law and when RUPA first added the concept in 1994, the comments reflect it was merely codifying the...
Carter G. Bishop
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Jun 25, 2010
4:37 pm

Agree re all points. The dangers of what Guido Calabresi calls "statutorification." Callison ... From: lnet-llc@yahoogroups.com...
Callison, J. William
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Jun 25, 2010
4:40 pm

I any event, the effect of the decision simply permits foreclosure even though the statute itself is silent on the matter. Given Florida's changes to its...
Carter G. Bishop
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Jun 25, 2010
5:02 pm

Not to be picky but when I researched Florida law on charging orders, I only discovered the 1998 Givens case discussed in my charging order case table. The...
Carter G. Bishop
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Jun 25, 2010
5:17 pm

I strongly concur with Dan's reasoning and conclusion. Otherwise, a single member LLC becomes effectively an "exempt bucket" where assets that otherwise not...
jay_adkisson Offline Send Email Jun 25, 2010
8:05 pm

My 4-word take on the majority opinion: right result, wrong path. Chris Riser criser@... Riser Adkisson LLP Athens, GA (but today relaxing at the...
riser Offline Send Email Jun 26, 2010
10:55 pm

The truth is no state statute adequately contemplates the status of a creditor of a SMLLC. We can all dream, guess or suggest how it should be resolved but...
Carter G. Bishop
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Jun 26, 2010
11:20 pm

Perhaps the simplest and best fix is to provide that the charging order is the exclusive remedy (with or without foreclosure as possibility, a separated albeit...
Kleinberger, Daniel
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Jun 27, 2010
12:41 am

I don't think that does does the job. You still have to provide that on the judicial sale of all the interests the purchaser becomes a member, as in...
Carter G. Bishop
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Jun 27, 2010
3:26 am

Actually, if you listen to the oral argument, you'll see that the amicus position was central to the discussion. My hunch is that the decision took so long...
Kleinberger, Daniel
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Jun 27, 2010
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Early in the morning, poor proofreading. ... From: lnet-llc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lnet-llc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kleinberger, Daniel Sent: Sunday,...
Kleinberger, Daniel
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Jun 27, 2010
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Makes sense to me. Walter ________________________________ From: lnet-llc@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Kleinberger, Daniel Sent: Sun 6/27/2010 4:54 AM To:...
Walter Schwidetzky
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Jun 27, 2010
1:28 pm

Some of the confusion is that planners think of the charging order as the exclusive "outcome", when the statutes by contrast speak in terms of exclusive...
jay_adkisson Offline Send Email Jun 27, 2010
3:28 am

Agreed. The way to "right result, right path" is via the legislatures, not the courts. The majority opinion is like the proverbial sausage - the end result in...
riser Offline Send Email Jun 27, 2010
2:22 pm

I've already written my legislative delegation here in Florida, and an election is coming....
Steve Odem
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Jun 25, 2010
5:41 pm

Dan: I agree and have taken the position with many of my Florida colleagues for many years that an SMLLC should not be considered an asset protection vehicle...
Austin, Scott
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Jun 28, 2010
12:20 am

In the FWIW category, a Colo BK court extended Albright to a husband and wife LLC (2 separate members) in an unpublished decision. Leaving one to wonder where...
Callison, J. William
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Jun 28, 2010
1:57 pm

Scott, In my opinion, all LLC statutes are "broken" on this point, including the otherwise perfect Re-ULLCA. As I've stated on this list before, neither the...
Kleinberger, Daniel
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Jun 28, 2010
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