The latest newsletter from Clear Creek Abbey in Oklahoma, USA shows a clerical procession entering the sanctuary of the new Abbey Church. The Abbey is only...
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Douglas Cowling
cowling.douglas@...
Jun 1, 2012 11:41 pm
... French liturgists were promoting a return to the fuller patristic styles of vestments long before the Second Vatican Council. Viz Matisse¹s chasubles for...
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Douglas Cowling
cowling.douglas@...
Jun 16, 2012 4:23 pm
Does anyone know the source of this quotation? "The Liturgy is its own catechesis" Doug Cowling Director of Music St. Philip's Church, Etobicoke Toronto...
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Janet Roth
jproth@...
Jun 16, 2012 4:32 pm
Sounds to me like something Joseph Russell used to say "the liturgy is the curriculum." Though it is so true it might be a number of others.... janet r ... ...
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Rdr James
rdrjames
Jun 18, 2012 7:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkoaLfR_iCg&feature=player_embedded Fr. Jeremy sounds a bit like Fr. Alexander Schmemann in places here!...
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Rdr James
rdrjames
Jun 19, 2012 5:14 am
(Daily Mail) - Faced with a constant race to raise restoration funds, the wardens of York Minster usually can't afford to let the grass grow under their feet....
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William Renwick
renwick@...
Jun 21, 2012 9:41 am
HI everyone: It strikes me as anomalous that in many churches which use contemporary forms/styles of worship the Lord's Prayer continues to be recited using...
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Lewis Whitaker
lhwatl
Jun 21, 2012 12:17 pm
In the BCP the 23rd Psalm is similarly worded in "traditional language" (whatever that is) with the option of reciting in a "contemporary." Some words and...
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Daniel Lawson
dmcl76
Jun 21, 2012 1:02 pm
... The wording of the question strikes me as polemical, but the content doesn't. As someone who is particularly drawn to both traditional and modern liturgies...
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George Carlson
vistantn
Jun 21, 2012 2:56 pm
I am not sure why this is so great an "issue" (perhaps that is an overly strong word) for previous writers. Yes, the permissive (not required) use of the...
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Ron Miller
ronmillerap
Jun 21, 2012 3:06 pm
I guess I am the person to raise the correct translation issue. Although I won't go into the "debts"/"trespasses" argument, as strong case has been made that...
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Douglas Cowling
cowling.douglas@...
Jun 21, 2012 3:06 pm
On 6/21/12 9:02 AM, "Daniel Lawson" <k95dl01@...> wrote: I suspect the sheer number of people who learned the Lord's Prayer by heart make that particular...
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Michael Thannisch
mjthannisch...
Jun 21, 2012 3:32 pm
Actually we use the new translation, but to show how tradition can be, I know of some Hispanic churches that do everything in English, and the Lord's Prayer in...
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Robert White
prrmwhite
Jun 21, 2012 5:14 pm
Re: [liturgy-l] Re: Lord's Prayer Thursday, June 21, 2012, 11:06:22 AM,Ron Miller wrote: I guess I am the person to raise the correct translation issue The...
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Ron Miller
ronmillerap
Jun 21, 2012 5:18 pm
his is aslo true. I also realize that I forgot "sins" vs. debts/trespasses ... -- Ron Miller (The Rev. Ronald H.) Baltimore, MD Every individual will receive...
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Douglas Cowling
cowling.douglas@...
Jun 21, 2012 6:09 pm
... It¹s always perilous to ask English pronouns to remain immoveable. The BCP and KJV addresses God in the same way that the bride and groom address each...
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William Renwick
renwick@...
Jun 21, 2012 6:31 pm
While it is true that thou and thee are not more formal, but if anything less formal, in themselves, they are hallmarks of a more formal language style. On...
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Lewis Whitaker
lhwatl
Jun 21, 2012 6:33 pm
That doesn't make logical sense. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, William Renwick <...
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William Renwick
renwick@...
Jun 21, 2012 6:51 pm
Let me clarify: Thee and thou are samples of a formal language style which also includes many other words such as ye, wherefore, saith, etc. Thee and thou are...
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Scott Knitter
zz4j9m
Jun 21, 2012 6:55 pm
I think some people are saying these didn't originate as formal: when the texts were written and the books originally compiled, these were familiar forms as...
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Lewis Whitaker
lhwatl
Jun 21, 2012 7:05 pm
The point was, though, that considering all of this as "formal language" is a false construct. The language of the KJV, Shakespeare, et. al. was designed to be...
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Joseph Farias
jgusf
Jun 21, 2012 7:05 pm
When I was at Notre Dame, it seemed that the CCT translation of the Lord's Prayer worked well chanted but never "worked" when recited. So we ended up using...
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William Renwick
renwick@...
Jun 21, 2012 7:29 pm
Lewis: When you say that KJV et al. was designed to be less formal, what was it less formal than? It seems to me that the KJV lanquage, and the BCP language,...
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Daniel Lawson
dmcl76
Jun 21, 2012 7:39 pm
... Lew, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Language isn't scholarship. It's communication. Historically, "thou" was a familiar pronoun. It would be...
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Robert White
prrmwhite
Jun 21, 2012 8:18 pm
Re: [liturgy-l] Re: Lord's Prayer Thursday, June 21, 2012, 3:38:59 PM,Daniel Lawson wrote: After much practice, I've found that in Rite I prayers, I can...
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Douglas Cowling
cowling.douglas@...
Jun 21, 2012 8:31 pm
... Studies have shown that the comprehension rate for a general audience at a Shakepearean play is about 60%. The rate is only marginally higher even for ...
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George Carlson
vistantn
Jun 21, 2012 8:33 pm
I'm not sure that formality adequately expresses what many feel about "traditional" language. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so this is just one...
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William Renwick
renwick@...
Jun 21, 2012 8:45 pm
Indeed, my experience of using the second person singular is that it is --for me--a more intimate expression, one which I value in relation to the deity!...
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George Carlson
vistantn
Jun 22, 2012 1:42 am
I'm sorry, but I just don't see this as being such an insurmountable problem. I am an engineer (I speak math, equations, and drawings) language is truly my...
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dlewisaao@...
wx5116
Jun 22, 2012 1:52 am
I don't see this as being a big problem, either. Most people simply are familiar with the traditional wording, so it should be very easy to teach to the...
