I recall an older priest when i was a curate telling me that an old man started to attend his church aand at the moment of Communion took out his pocket watch and carefully placed the host in the watch. When this was raised with the elderly gentleman it became clear he was taking It home for his wife who was immobile in bed.

The priest explained to the gentleman that there were others means by which she could receive Holy Communion.

Ian

Tenebrae - on our church blog: www.ourchurchblog.co.uk 

I have two questions:  (1) Where does the name "Easter Even" come from,
and (2) was there at some point a custom of celebrating the Eucharist during
this day, using the Collect, Epistle, and Gospel listed in TEC 28 and earlier
Anglican Prayer Books?
 

Doesn't this really open the whole question of whether observing the liturgical
year is the only valid liturgical way to follow Christ?  I mean, there are lots,
or were lots, of protestant denominations where the whole concept of relating
the theology of redemption to the solar cycle was considered
anathema--traditional Presbyterianism, or Calvinism, for instance.

No offense intended to anyone here, and maybe I am off-base.

happy easter to all.

William Renwick
renwick@...
School of the Arts
McMaster University
Hamilton Ontario CANADA L8S 4M2        
http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~renwick/wr.htm

On 4/6/12 6:17 PM, "William Renwick" <renwick@...>
wrote:

I mean, there are lots, or were lots, of protestant denominations where the
whole concept of relating the theology of redemption to the solar cycle was
considered anathema--traditional Presbyterianism, or Calvinism, for
instance.


And yet, except among Sabbatarians, the celebration of the First Day of the
Week has been universal, even though it hath no warrant of Scripture.

Doug Cowling
Director of Music
St. Philip's Church, Etobicoke
Toronto

Ah, but the Sabbath observance is a divine mandate.  And there are NT examples of Christians gathering on the first day of the week.  So it's no wonder the more biblicistic Protestants made Sunday inviolable while eschewing the rest of the church year calendar. Frank C. Senn --- On Fri, 4/6/12, Douglas Cowling <cowling.douglas@...> wrote: From: Douglas Cowling <cowling.douglas@...> Subject: Re: [liturgy-l]: Easter Even. To: liturgy-l@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 6, 2012, 6:05 PM   On 4/6/12 6:17 PM, "William Renwick" <renwick@...> wrote: I mean, there are lots, or were lots, of protestant denominations where the whole concept of relating the theology of redemption to the solar cycle was considered anathema--traditional Presbyterianism, or Calvinism, for instance. And yet, except among Sabbatarians, the celebration of the First Day of the Week has been universal, even though it hath no warrant of Scripture. Doug Cowling Director of Music St. Philip's Church, Etobicoke Toronto

Ah, but the Sabbath observance is a divine mandate.  And there are NT examples of Christians gathering on the first day of the week.  So it's no wonder the more biblicistic Protestants made Sunday inviolable while eschewing the rest of the church year calendar.

 

I an watching a portion of the Easter Vigil from Saint Peter's Basilica, and note the now

customary six enormous office lights/candles placed on the Papal Altar at an angle, with

the central matching crucifix.  To the west just behind - or in front of, viewed from the

nave - is the matching 7th [pontifical] candle.  

 

Since there were about 8 adults for Baptism they draped them with plain white capes,

and confirmed them all just after the Baptism Liturgy.  They then were put to "work"

bringing up the elements for communion.  Nothing like being baptized and confirmed

by the Bishop of Rome!

 

There is, of course, no liturgical stage quite like the Papal Altar at Saint Peter's, but at the

cost of enormous flights of stairs.  One has to be steady on the feet and with reasonable

cardiovascular function to participate around that altar.

 

 

David Strang. 

From: Michael Thannisch <mjthannisch@...>
To: liturgy-l@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [liturgy-l]: Easter Even.

 

I think if you look around Acts, you will find some scriptural warrant.  It seems services were held Saturday night (which of course Jewishly speaking is Sunday.  ) The actual big change was from Saturday night (or as we say in German Sonnabend) to Sunday morning. Shalom b'Yeshua haMoshiach   +Mar Michael Abportus mjthannisch@... Pastor, Congregation Benim Avraham http://www.freewebs.com/childrenofabraham/http://patriotstatesman.com/http://laportemorganspointshoreacresnews.webs.com/http://santoeastcemeteryassociation.webs.com/ http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Joe-Thannisch/1173094868 204 Sylvan Ave. La Porte, TX 77571 281-867-9081 (home)281-867-0335 (office)832-266-8153 (mobile)281-867-0576 (fax) --- On Fri, 4/6/12, Douglas Cowling <cowling.douglas@...> wrote: From: Douglas Cowling <cowling.douglas@...> Subject: Re: [liturgy-l]: Easter Even. To: liturgy-l@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 6, 2012, 6:05 PM   On 4/6/12 6:17 PM, "William Renwick" <renwick@...> wrote: I mean, there are lots, or were lots, of protestant denominations where the whole concept of relating the theology of redemption to the solar cycle was considered anathema--traditional Presbyterianism, or Calvinism, for instance. And yet, except among Sabbatarians, the celebration of the First Day of the Week has been universal, even though it hath no warrant of Scripture. Doug Cowling Director of Music St. Philip's Church, Etobicoke Toronto

I wonder why the Bishop of Rome didn't celebrate the Easter Vigil at his cathedral church, the sight of today's Stational Mass?

In Christ,

Sandford MacLean

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-04-07, at 18:18, David J Strang <davidjstrang@...> wrote:

 

I an watching a portion of the Easter Vigil from Saint Peter's Basilica, and note the now

customary six enormous office lights/candles placed on the Papal Altar at an angle, with

the central matching crucifix.  To the west just behind - or in front of, viewed from the

nave - is the matching 7th [pontifical] candle.  

 

Since there were about 8 adults for Baptism they draped them with plain white capes,

and confirmed them all just after the Baptism Liturgy.  They then were put to "work"

bringing up the elements for communion.  Nothing like being baptized and confirmed

by the Bishop of Rome!

 

There is, of course, no liturgical stage quite like the Papal Altar at Saint Peter's, but at the

cost of enormous flights of stairs.  One has to be steady on the feet and with reasonable

cardiovascular function to participate around that altar.

 

 

David Strang. 

From: Michael Thannisch <mjthannisch@...>
To: liturgy-l@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [liturgy-l]: Easter Even.

 

I think if you look around Acts, you will find some scriptural warrant.  It seems services were held Saturday night (which of course Jewishly speaking is Sunday.  ) The actual big change was from Saturday night (or as we say in German Sonnabend) to Sunday morning. Shalom b'Yeshua haMoshiach   +Mar Michael Abportus mjthannisch@... Pastor, Congregation Benim Avraham http://www.freewebs.com/childrenofabraham/http://patriotstatesman.com/http://laportemorganspointshoreacresnews.webs.com/http://santoeastcemeteryassociation.webs.com/ http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Joe-Thannisch/1173094868 204 Sylvan Ave. La Porte, TX 77571 281-867-9081 (home)281-867-0335 (office)832-266-8153 (mobile)281-867-0576 (fax) --- On Fri, 4/6/12, Douglas Cowling <cowling.douglas@...> wrote: From: Douglas Cowling <cowling.douglas@...> Subject: Re: [liturgy-l]: Easter Even. To: liturgy-l@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 6, 2012, 6:05 PM   On 4/6/12 6:17 PM, "William Renwick" <renwick@...> wrote: I mean, there are lots, or were lots, of protestant denominations where the whole concept of relating the theology of redemption to the solar cycle was considered anathema--traditional Presbyterianism, or Calvinism, for instance. And yet, except among Sabbatarians, the celebration of the First Day of the Week has been universal, even though it hath no warrant of Scripture. Doug Cowling Director of Music St. Philip's Church, Etobicoke Toronto

I wonder why the Bishop of Rome didn't celebrate the Easter Vigil at his cathedral church, the sight of today's Stational Mass?

I am curious that since the Church has adopted the RCL. What does one do about
the FACT that the Lessons at the Great VIgil and several of their Collects no
longer are able to be used. Our Parish used the BCP Version of the Vigil
Lections and not the RCL. We will continue to do so until the BCP is PROPERLY
revised by General Convention, on new copies of the Prayer Book are printed with
the appropriate changes. (These changes also affect other MAJOR Holy Days.)

I didn't think the RCL mandated new readings for the Easter Vigil.

Lew




On Apr 8, 2012, at 10:17 AM, "Larenzo" <laribaup@...> wrote:

> I am curious that since the Church has adopted the RCL. What does one do about
the FACT that the Lessons at the Great VIgil and several of their Collects no
longer are able to be used. Our Parish used the BCP Version of the Vigil
Lections and not the RCL. We will continue to do so until the BCP is PROPERLY
revised by General Convention, on new copies of the Prayer Book are printed with
the appropriate changes. (These changes also affect other MAJOR Holy Days.)
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There is a traditional annual schedule for Papal Liturgies, and

the Station for August 15th, for example, is Saint Mary Major Basilica.   

The pope is always on vacation – ad acquas — in August and leaves the Villa San Gandolpho only to celebrate mass on the Assumption at the parish church.

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/notice/standing-commission-liturgy-and-music-offe\
rs-statement-concerning-inconsistencies-holy-week-l

This is the SCLM advisory. This does not seem to deal with the FACT that the RCL
not only changes the readings for Holy Week, but at the Great Vigil, requires a
revision of the BCP.

The RCL replaced

God's Presence in a renewed Israel
Isaiah 4:2 6

Psalm 122

Let us pray.     (Silence)

O God, you led your ancient people by a pillar of cloud by day
and a pillar of fire by night: Grant that we, who serve you
now on earth, may come to the joy of that heavenly Jerusalem,
where all tears are wiped away and where your saints for ever
sing your praise; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.


with


p. 290: God's Wisdom calls a renewed Israel  - Baruch 3:9-15,32–4:4,

or Proverbs 8:1-8,19-21;9:4b-6

Psalm 19

Is the Collect still to be used? It really no longer fits.