You make a good point. I would like to do both. Internal to the church, restore the sense of the Nativity as the feast of the Incarnation. Lose the word...
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Lewis Whitaker
lhwatl
Oct 1, 2008 8:27 pm
Tom: Why lose the word Christmas? I don't understand your reasoning on that. As for losing the green and the red trappings for decorations, okay. But how would...
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asteresplanetai
Oct 1, 2008 8:39 pm
... it's *italics*, tom. i prefer to use the 'plain text' option in my emailer. Unfortunately, having realized that real 'plain text' means no possibility of ...
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John Botari
botarij
Oct 1, 2008 9:30 pm
As something of an old-timer on the Internet (since the early '90s), I got used to the following conventional text artifacts in electronic mail and on USENET's...
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James O'Regan
jamesoregan
Oct 1, 2008 10:47 pm
Hi Folks, Please, let's have the netiquette discussion off-list at the off-list group. All the best, James O'Regan oregan@... Co-moderator...
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SJZiobro@...
catolik58
Oct 2, 2008 12:46 am
This is true and the point to my remark. It also places God entirely at the center, not our ideas and/or emotions, whatever they are. Stan Ziobro...
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Tom Poelker
tapoelker
Oct 2, 2008 12:52 am
Thanks for explaining. Tom Poelker St. Louis, Missouri USA -- Maybe I don't deserve God's love, but I'm stuck with it, so I might as well make the most of it. ...
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Tom Poelker
tapoelker
Oct 2, 2008 2:47 am
Subject was: Re: [liturgy-l] New Year in Tisheri Lewis, The first reason to shelve the word "Christmas" is that the feast is the Nativity of the Lord. It is a...
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paulweary
Oct 2, 2008 10:38 am
... such as England, was March 25---coinciding with the Annunciation. This remained the new civil year in Britain until they adopted the Gregorian calendar...
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Father Robert Lyons
fatherroblyons
Oct 2, 2008 12:35 pm
Tom wrote: "You will probably will not be interested in my theory that the words Christ, grace, and bless/ed/ing should not be used in English liturgy or in...
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Michael Thannisch
mjthannisch
Oct 2, 2008 1:40 pm
In much of our liturgy, we have replaced Christ with Messiah. ... From: Father Robert Lyons <fatherroblyons@...> Subject: [liturgy-l] Re:Xmas Dialog To:...
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Lewis Whitaker
lhwatl
Oct 2, 2008 1:47 pm
Why? On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Michael Thannisch <mjthannisch@... ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Scott Knitter
scottknitter@...
Oct 2, 2008 2:11 pm
Seems like just a straight translation, like Kyrios/Dominus/Lord. I don't see what's objectionable about "Christ." On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Michael...
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Lewis Whitaker
lhwatl
Oct 2, 2008 2:22 pm
Nor do I, Scott. I just Wikipediaded (?) Christ, and this is what I turned up Many modern Christians <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity>explicitly...
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dlewisaao@...
Oct 2, 2008 2:27 pm
Nor do I have problems with a variety of traditional names for various feasts that in some cases may have original or current negative baggage, because they...
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Tom Poelker
tapoelker
Oct 2, 2008 2:59 pm
Christ is an Anglicization of the Greek word for Messiah in Hebrew (Aramaic?, not my area). I'm in favor of completely translating into English whenever...
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Tom Poelker
tapoelker
Oct 2, 2008 3:16 pm
Grace is an Anglicization of the Latin, gratia. In English, it is primarily used in the senses of fluidity and courtesy outside of any theological context. It...
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Lewis Whitaker
lhwatl
Oct 2, 2008 3:20 pm
Well, this Contemporary English Speaker hears "gifted" and thinks of being given something wrapped in paper and tied with a bow. Actually, when I hear it used...
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Tom Poelker
tapoelker
Oct 2, 2008 3:31 pm
Note the differences in meaning for these phrases. "Blessing God" "Seeking God's blessing" "Blessing this marriage" "Giving my blessing to the idea" "God...
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Tom Poelker
tapoelker
Oct 2, 2008 3:33 pm
but do you immediately understand "freely given" when you hear "grace" or do you have to reason to that meaning? Tom Poelker St. Louis, Missouri USA -- Maybe I...
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Lewis Whitaker
lhwatl
Oct 2, 2008 3:36 pm
Yes, I do. Grace is one of the least contentious words in the Christian lexicon for me. I would have to twist my thinking to understand "gifted" in the way you...
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Father Robert Lyons, ...
fatherroblyons
Oct 2, 2008 3:44 pm
... Joshua, ... the ... I think I would prefer Yeshua to Joshua. More accurate and helps avoid confusion. Rob+...
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Tom Poelker
tapoelker
Oct 2, 2008 3:48 pm
The problem for me is not the mongrel nature of English, but the suspicion that none but the theologically educated associate the word grace with the basic...
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James O'Regan
jamesoregan
Oct 2, 2008 3:50 pm
Word substitution, such as the new sacred language in the RC rite, is hoped, bynthe conferences, to somehow reestablish a sense of the holy in the rites. this...
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Lewis Whitaker
lhwatl
Oct 2, 2008 4:06 pm
Well said, James. This is a perfect opportunity for a priest or pastor to do catechesis. Lew ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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dlewisaao@...
Oct 2, 2008 4:11 pm
Yes, teaching is the key, teaching that "accentuates the positive" and establishes true context and reinforces what language is really trying to say as opposed...
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Michael Thannisch
mjthannisch
Oct 2, 2008 6:55 pm
Because we have somewhat of a more OT view here, seeing Jesus or Yeshua as the fulfillment of the Jewish feasts. Actually both Christ and Messiah are equally...
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Michael Thannisch
mjthannisch
Oct 2, 2008 6:58 pm
We haven't eleiminated Christ, we just use the word Messiah more often. I might point out that a Messianic Jew, would have difficulties with the Wikkepedia...
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Michael Thannisch
mjthannisch
Oct 2, 2008 7:06 pm
Actualy even here in the US some churched and many nonchurched might have trouble coming up with that concept. Shalom, +Mihcael Joe Thannisch ... From:...
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Lewis Whitaker
lhwatl
Oct 2, 2008 7:06 pm
Huh? On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Michael Thannisch...
