It is an intriguing, and attractive, hypothesis. I would have a concern about methodology. In the absence of documentary evidence, or something similar,...
Recently the Chaldean Catholic Church revised their Eucharistic Rites. They, thus far, have only updated the Anaphora of Saints Addai and Mari, but are working...
I notice that in these Eucharistic Prayers the deacon has a much bigger role than in Western Eucharistic Prayers. In the ones you have sent to us the deacons...
Perhaps "innumerable angels" rather than uncountable? John Dornheim ... There are things you do because they feel right & they may make no sense & they may...
For those wanting to observe the Advent wreath tradition at home (where it belongs...right, Doug?), here's an RCL Year A-based prayer book, available in hard...
... bigger role than in Western Eucharistic Prayers. In the ones you have sent to us the deacons seems to have an invitatory role speaking to the people.< ...
Easy to figure out which candle to light first...the one across from the rose one. But which one do we light next week? Do we go to the right or clockwise,...
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Dec 2, 2007 8:45 pm
Or, if one uses Sarum colors, there would be four blue candles. Would you believe that somehow today we were confronted with a wreath with three blue and one...
Another Eucharistic prayer I am working on adapting is the one found in the Euchology of St. Serapion of Thumis, an Egyptian prayer of the fourth century. In...
... DEACON The table is set. The Lamb of God is broken but not divided, eaten but never consumed. The wine is mixed, the Blood is poured out. Let us drink of...
... consumed.... let us leave ignorance behind and proclaim.... ... No, not too much of a quibble. The idea is to present these in dignified yet contemporary...
Does it make any sense to have a rose candle for Gaudate if there is no Gaudate Sunday? I mean, without the historic introits, how can you tell? In any...
I notice you slipped Cranmer's 1549 "Word and Holy Spirit" into the epiclesis. The original Serapion anaphora had an invocation of the Logos. Frank C. Senn ...
... epiclesis. The original Serapion anaphora had an invocation of the Logos. ... Quite right. This is largely due to the fact that our Synod requires an...
That's the thing...we do have Gaudete Sunday at Ascension, Chicago, with Gaudete introit and all. ... -- Scott R. Knitter Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA...
Most don't---which makes the rose candle difficult to explain.We use white. Frank C. Senn Scott Knitter <scottknitter@...> wrote:...
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Dec 3, 2007 2:20 am
Sarum is blue for all four Sundays. That being said, one can certainly use the historic Introits, including the one for Gaudete Sunday, even if one uses Sarum...
I can hear Douglas Cowling gritting his teeth already... Lew...
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Dec 3, 2007 2:33 am
There is a custom in some places to use white candles for all four Sundays. That's what I use in the wreath on my dining room table - indeed, in many ...
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Douglas Cowling
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Dec 3, 2007 2:51 am
... Both my wife and I forgot to buy candles of whatever colour this year. I think that's where the Great O Antiphons come from ... We both said, "Oh!" when...
I believe they use red candles in Germany. We use the Sarum blue here, and strictly for home devotions. Shalom b'Yeshua haMoshiach, +Michael Joe Thannisch ...
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Janet Roth
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Dec 3, 2007 5:55 am
When I was growing up we ALWAYS used white candles with purple ribbons since in our small town it was not easy to find purple candles and even then they were...
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Douglas Cowling
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Dec 3, 2007 2:06 pm
... I'm curious about the Vigil Office which the Fraternite de Jerusalem sings every Saturday night and on the eves of feasts. The order originated in the ...
In my neck of the woods (Lincolnshire and Yorkshire) the Advent wreath crept in during the 1980s usually with four red candles, and later than that amongst our...
... hi. i thought the advent wreath was really ONLY a home devotion. So i'd like to ask, When and why did it acquire the huge importance for the church rites...
This is beginning to sound like the Sarum Use had Advent wreaths that used blue candles. I don't think that is what is intended by the writers. I doubt that...
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Dec 3, 2007 4:40 pm
Agree - medieval Salisbury would not have known about Advent wreaths - it's more a matter of what candles would be proper today when Sarum colors are used. ...
John, you are correct that it is a home devotion. My suspicion, which I haven't tried to confrim, is that the Christian Educators and Sunday School folk wanted...
This reminds me of something Thomas Talley once said, that the introduction of Advent wreaths with their colored candles was a plot by candle-manufacturers. We...
