Blessed be God. ... It didn't. The story about the Magi is already read among us on Christmas morning. Theophany has always been about the Baptism of Christ ...
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atombomb
atombomb@...
Dec 1, 2000 8:23 am
Blessed be God. ... Thomas Talley, *Origins of the Liturgical Year* (Pueblo Press); most any and all studies of the calendar. Frank? Regards, John Burnett...
2892
atombomb
atombomb@...
Dec 1, 2000 8:36 am
Blessed be God. ... Actually we should be aware that the meaning of "Roman" here originally meant something rather like "belonging to the One Christian Church ...
2893
atombomb
atombomb@...
Dec 1, 2000 8:43 am
Blessed be God. ... What emerged finally at (after) Trent was the view that the "Roman" (and hence universal, as over against the monophysite, nestorian, etc)...
2894
jonwest@...
Dec 1, 2000 9:31 am
In a message dated 12/1/00 3:24:15 AM, atombomb@... writes: << Thomas Talley, *Origins of the Liturgical Year* (Pueblo Press); most any and all studies...
2895
jonwest@...
Dec 1, 2000 10:10 am
In a message dated 12/1/00 3:45:41 AM, atombomb@... writes: << What emerged finally at (after) Trent was the view that the "Roman" (and hence universal,...
2896
Steve Benner
rupertchina@...
Dec 1, 2000 11:33 am
... I would say that the Anglican Churches (of which there are many, as each province is autonomous) have a diversity of rites which reflect a diversity of...
2897
Simon Kershaw
simon@...
Dec 1, 2000 2:50 pm
... Quite so. I think I would want to outline the following points (which are not necessarily mutually compatible!). The use of the term 'Anglican' to mean an...
2898
fcsenn@...
Dec 1, 2000 3:14 pm
In a message dated 11/30/2000 10:37:13 PM Central Standard Time, ... I guess that depends on how much is comprehended in the term "rite." Churches as social...
2899
fcsenn@...
Dec 1, 2000 3:30 pm
In a message dated 12/1/2000 2:36:49 AM Central Standard Time, ... I don't think Anglicans claim to be Roman. They claim to be Anglican. They also claim to...
2900
fcsenn@...
Dec 1, 2000 3:37 pm
In a message dated 12/1/2000 5:34:42 AM Central Standard Time, ... You insisted on it and got another Church to agree to implement it. How is that a...
2901
James O'Regan
oregan@...
Dec 1, 2000 3:53 pm
... I would say that for all intents and purposes, it did change completely, in the sense of culture, by the simple vernacularizing of the rite alone...
2902
André Lavergne
lavergne@...
Dec 1, 2000 4:25 pm
Peace, friends. A fresh edition of the LIFT UP YOUR HEARTS pages has been posted to the Web. Look for... 1. Advent, Christmas & Epiphany ~ Web-based...
2903
Doug Morrison-Cleary,...
dougmc@...
Dec 1, 2000 5:03 pm
I know the conversation has moved on somewhat... but even in moving on we have come back to this issue, so here goes: So Easter is not a mystery? Isn't this a...
2904
Maureen Lahiff
lahiff@...
Dec 1, 2000 6:03 pm
perspective matters. a lot can be implied in a simple preposition. the church in England in communion with the other churches vs. the church "of" England, ...
2905
Steve Benner
rupertchina@...
Dec 1, 2000 7:03 pm
... It is a compromise because, exactly as many feared, there are a number of ELCA ministers trying to work around it after the fact. (I refer to news stories...
2906
fcsenn@...
Dec 1, 2000 7:57 pm
In a message dated 12/1/2000 11:06:30 AM Central Standard Time, ... All distinctions are artificial. That doesn't mean they aren't useful. No one said that...
2907
fcsenn@...
Dec 1, 2000 8:03 pm
In a message dated 12/1/2000 12:04:56 PM Central Standard Time, ... Not true. The Church of England was in communion with the continental Reformation Churches....
2908
fcsenn@...
Dec 1, 2000 8:06 pm
In a message dated 12/1/2000 1:05:47 PM Central Standard Time, ... What people are asking for and what they will get may not (hopefully, in this case) be the...
2909
atombomb
atombomb@...
Dec 1, 2000 8:08 pm
... No, I'm talking about the polemics of the period. By "German", I mean "Charlemagne" etc. He and his Germans never really had that much interest in...
2910
Noel Stoutenburg
mjolnir@...
Dec 1, 2000 9:23 pm
... which leads me to ask if the date of Christmas was not fixed before the date of the Annunciation, so that Christmas was not fixed nine months after the ...
2911
marnie@...
Dec 1, 2000 9:36 pm
At the risk of cluttering up everyone's mailboxes, just a word of thanks to the list for some really interesting discussion on Epiphany and the Christian ...
2912
fcsenn@...
Dec 2, 2000 1:18 am
In a message dated 12/1/2000 3:26:39 PM Central Standard Time, ... Not likely. December 25 in and of itself would have had nothing to do with Passover. The...
2913
fcsenn@...
Dec 2, 2000 1:29 am
In a message dated 12/1/2000 2:09:38 PM Central Standard Time, ... The imperial crown, of course, was not sought by Charlemagne, it was a Christmas gift of...
2914
sunchill@...
Dec 2, 2000 7:23 am
... James, When did the name Roman Catholic Church first appear? Who first used it and what did he intend to denote? Chip...
2915
atombomb
atombomb@...
Dec 2, 2000 8:46 am
Blessed be God. ... Um, well, it's not like there hadn't been "discussions" beforehand. ... No doubt! However-- ... As far as I recall, that's not really true....
2916
Krister Ulmanis
suskas@...
Dec 2, 2000 1:42 pm
Learned friends, I would like to know more about creedence tables - where the usage came from, how it relates to the Lutheran worship and how one introduces it...
2917
Steve Benner
rupertchina@...
Dec 2, 2000 1:51 pm
... The credence table is just a shelf or other small table at the side where the elements used to be kept (before the days of offertory processions) and where...
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James O'Regan
oregan@...
Dec 2, 2000 1:59 pm
... Evidently in 1591 as best as I can discern from here: http://newadvent.org/cathen/13121a.htm The chap in question was being examined and adhered to a name...
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Chip Chillington
j.h.chillington@...
Dec 2, 2000 2:38 pm
Krister, If there is one thing I have learned from this list it is not to assume that anyone else means the same thing I do by a particular term<g> For this...
