... From: ensifer500ad Date: 09/29/06 08:12:53 Is it possible to find.. create..a universal Eucharist ceremony..meeting the basic requirements of all ...
Perhaps we are asking the wrong question here. The Eucharist does not belong to any denomination. It is the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, who...
I keep asking myself why I am disturbed at this talk of a nondenominational eucharist. Perhaps perhaps the eucharist is never an abstract action of faith but...
Amen. The North American Academy of Liturgy came to this conclusion early on. And so Eucharistic celebrations offered during the Academy meetings are always...
Tomorrow is the scheduled release day for the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America's new service book and hymnal, Evangelical Lutheran Worship. Scott, who...
Scott Knitter
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Oct 3, 2006 1:46 am
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Don't get overly excited for it... or it could be like that Christmas I wanted a walkman and I got a transistor radio with an earjack instead... :) Peace, ...
... This is an interesting response to a "nondenominational" eucharist and highlights the difference between Lutheran understandings of ordination and that of...
Theodore R. Lorah, Jr.
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Oct 3, 2006 12:45 pm
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Oh, I remember that feeling. :) Hilarious! Scott, whose slightly older cousin got all the cool stuff first ... -- Scott R. Knitter Edgewater, Chicago,...
Scott Knitter
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Oct 3, 2006 1:02 pm
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Don't be too excited about the ELW...not a lot to be excited about in it (INMSHO). The psalter is a disaster ("emended texts" abound). Art Hebbeler ... Behalf...
Looked OK to me in the draft...I'll have to take a closer look, then. On 10/3/06, Pastor Art Hebbeler STS ... -- Scott R. Knitter Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois...
Scott Knitter
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Oct 3, 2006 1:31 pm
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I find the ELW to be a faithful balance of expansive language as well as the more traditional verse. Some language was reclaimed, particularly with regard to...
Art Hebbeler wrote: <<Don't be too excited about the ELW...not a lot to be excited about in it (INMSHO). The psalter is a disaster ("emended texts" abound).>> ...
If one wants to use expansive language, then do so in prayer and hymnody. It is NOT appropriate to play games with Scripture that is being used as Scripture...
My understanding is that that may take some time, Art. The first two printings sold out (who'd a thunk?). So they'll ship the next round, per information...
The BCW, as I understand it, was intended to be a resource and a pew edition was not developed. It was available on disc and was readily usuable by pastor or...
Iıve been following the discussion about an ecumenical eucharist with some interest. Iım the liturgical animator at an upcoming conference out of Queenıs...
Douglas Cowling
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Oct 3, 2006 4:21 pm
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... One needs to execise considerable care in attributing to "Lutherans" any particular view of ordination (and many other important ecclesial matters for that...
This cannot be this difficult...find an early roman liturgy.. before anyone splintered off...archaeologists and historians can tell us what kind of wine and...
... There are many churches for whom the subapostolic and patristic liturgies carry no authority. Doug Cowling Director of Music & Liturgical Arts Church of...
Douglas Cowling
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Oct 3, 2006 11:15 pm
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To Doug...these other churches that you mention.. did not evolve in empty space...subapostolic...patrician.. whatever...they grew upon these early...
that last post was mine.. forgot to sign it...but we all are the creatures of that early church..and in its early liturgy we find all of our roots James...
... There was never one single liturgical archetype -- different traditions didn't "splinter off" from the Roman one. Even if you specify Roman liturgy, "find...
Most of the multiplication within priestly orders in Roman Catholicism have resulted from competing readings of basic confessional documents. Is this a correct...
No early Roman liturgy before other splintered off is extant. If Hippolytus is taken as an example (ca. 215), he has already splittered off from the mainline...
... I'd argue that historically the Benedictines, Fransciscans, etc developed to some degree because they understood core matters of doctrine differently and...
... Ormonde certainly spoke to this already but, if one takes a very rigid but global rite like the RC, which has claims of 'universality' about it; where ...
... I personally am an Hippolytan Romantic and always think that the subapostolic liturgies are best. Howver, there are many protestant churches who have...
Douglas Cowling
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Oct 4, 2006 2:21 am
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I know the feeling having recently made a drive from La Porte to Wichita Falls and back. But on the other hand count your blessings. How many of us have...
... Not to mention what the varied denominational response might be to Hippolytus's distribution of milk mixed with honey between the bread and the wine.... ...
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