Perhaps the term 'concelebration' has been limited in some cases to priestly participation in saying the anaphora and doing the 'manual acts'. One might ...
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Douglas Cowling
dcowling@...
May 1, 2006 12:39 pm
... This is certainly the most ancient view of the post-Constantinian liturgy and the model espoused at Vatican II. Doug Cowling Director of Music & Liturgical...
James: Now *this* is a tall order! *WHEN* you understand how a hierarchical liturgy works?? For me it's a matter of faith. I don't have a clue HOW it works, or...
I've actually preached a few "dialogue" sermons (tag team) and they have worked well. It's not my usual practice, but it fit the circumstances. Jon + Pr. Jon...
I have a phenomenological question based on two presumptions. First the presumptions. That the historicity of the "moment of consecration" actually did evolve...
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dlewisaao@...
May 1, 2006 5:12 pm
In a message dated 5/1/2006 1:03:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, oregan@... writes: What then is the assembly seeing as significant? What kind of...
While my suggestion will not fit all traditions, I think that there is a piety around the sermon... not that this is a bad thing... but it is such a major ...
I have always wanted to respond to the "I didn't get anything out of <worship/sermon/whatever> by asking "Well, what did you put into it?" The desire not to be...
Dear Lew: You have reached the epitome of liturgical understanding. Hierarchical liturgy IS herding cats! Ask almost any Eastern bishop! Jim of Olym ... ...
... Indeed. And I would argue that by definition only one person can preside. Other clergy should fulfil their appropriate roles, i.e. roles of non-presidency....
When Polycarp of Smyrna visited Rome in an attempt to convince Bishop Anicetus that the date of Easter should follow the quartodeciman way, Anicetus invited...
What would make unity "truer" than being in one assembly and being fed by one proclamation of the word and coming to the one table through the ministry of one...
This thread could be titled 'assorted ramblings' quite properly... but I digress... From my perspective, I find concelebration to be a meaningful and very...
I presided at the first joint Lutheran-Episcopalian eucharist authorized by the central Illinois judicatories under the national interim sharing agreement....
Had I read Frank's post before I sent off mine, I would have saved you some computer space. His is, I think, akin to the point I was trying to make in...
At least in this corner of the world, there is still great reverence attached to the reception of Holy Communion. It remains one of the most sacred moments of...
... Me, I prefer to see the whole community gathered around the altar or table, celebrating together. IMHO anything else, in a normal parish environment,...
In my "normal" parish, this would not even be possible, even if it were desirable. Jon + Pr. Jon Christenson, STS Redeemer Kirche Col. Baker's Field, People's...
Simon, do you mean the entire worshiping community? In most US churches, that would be next to impossible due to space limitations. If the congregation is...
I think that if a Bishop is making a pre-announced visitation, s/he ought be given the opportunity to preside or preach or both. Most people have limited...
Kinda like responding to the person who isn't being fed that "maybe it's time to take off the bib and put on an apron"... I don't think I've ever said that...
... The exact same claim could be made for the pre-Vatican II rite in terms of the "seeing" aspect above. What is different about that seeing and the one ...
I always take with a grain of salt the "nice sermon, Pastor." It's almost one of those common courtesy comments. I'd rather hear that they didn't agree with...
... The same could be asked by the pew schlepper of liturgical ministers: "What did you put into it?" And also, where's the large apron on the presiders end?...
... I think I touched on this in my subsequent post. ... Disguise? What else explains the growth of contemporary liturgies? How often do we hear "well, we...
... Yes that's what I meant. And I did say 'I prefer to see'. It was an expression of desire, an expression of the (IMHO) the ideal. As you say, our buildings...
... On perhaps a hypothetical turn, if the "extra" clergy were seen to be doing something worthwhile, would that make a difference? Actually, I am a big fan of...
I think that there are times when this is possible, when attendance at mass is lower than normal, perhaps at a midweek Lenten or Advent Service, Epiphany or...
... Simon, While I try to be conscious of the dangers of seeming snobbishly clerical, I equally think that liturgical theologians and laity alike need to get a...
Walt wrote: "Given a situation where there are five priests in the community... one vested and functioning as assisting minister... one sitting in the pews......
