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Howard Dean on Demos & the GOP   Message List  
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Re: Howard Dean on Demos & the GOP

Quoth John Kaiser:

> You've got to be kidding me Mr. Knapp.

Nope.


> I never said Bill Clinton did, actually I said he could and did
> balance the Budget.

Except that he didn't. The "balanced budget" was smoke and mirrors.

> I did say Dean would not balance the budget

Given that Dean isn't going to be the president or a congressman,
you're probably right.

> because he is in bed with the left wing.

Dean was the most conservative candidate running on a major party
ticket last year. More conservative than Kerry and FAR more
conservative than Bush.

> Especially on environmental
> issues. A Democratically controlled congress and White House means
> Kyoto is signed, stamped and approved.

"Former Vermont governor Howard Dean has sided most closely with the
Bush administration, endorsing the National Governors Association
policy, which opposed the Kyoto Protocol unless it included mandatory
emissions cuts for developing countries. The policy recommended that
the United States 'not sign or ratify any agreement that would result
in serious harm to the U.S. economy.' Of the Democrats now running,
only Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich has stated, 'the U.S. must
ratify the Kyoto Protocol.'"

-- "Presidential Hopefuls Push Energy Alternatives, Pan Kyoto," Inter
Press Service, 06/10/2003

> Of course the Republicans have grown the government, its the game in
> Washington. Dem.'s promise big money to their voters in the form of
> S.S., welfare, etc., while Republicans try to limit increases in
> programs as much as they can without losing political capital with
> "swing voters."

That's simply historically inaccurate. Republicans grow government
programs FASTER than Democrats. They always have, they do now, and
they always will. What separates them from Democrats is that Democrats
raise taxes to cover part of the increased tab, where Republicans rely
on small tax cuts (Bush's came to a whopping 1%, phased in over ten
years) to stimulate growth that will be reflected in revenues, and on
bigger deficits.

> Do we really want to go back to the days when Bill Clinton was telling
> us, "We could give [the surpluses] all back to you and hope you spend
> it right...if you don't spend it right...[Social Security shortfalls
> will surface] just 14 years away."

Doesn't sound to good. It does, however, sound better than "I'm going
to pretend to give you a tax cut, while actually simply deferring huge
tax increases, so that you can hope you die before your grandchildren
have to dig out of the hole I'm leaving them in."

Tom Knapp





Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:25 am

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You've got to be kidding me Mr. Knapp. ... I never said Bill Clinton did, actually I said he could and did balance the Budget. I did say Dean would not...
John
jkaiseresquire Offline Send Email
Jul 19, 2005
1:12 am

... Nope. ... Except that he didn't. The "balanced budget" was smoke and mirrors. ... Given that Dean isn't going to be the president or a congressman, you're...
Thomas L. Knapp
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Jul 19, 2005
4:26 am

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:25:39 -0400, Thomas L. Knapp ... HAHAHAHAHA, what!? Do you even know what "conservative" means? The age gap between true Americans like...
DJ Entropy
djentropyhar... Offline Send Email
Jul 19, 2005
5:33 am

... Yes. Do you? Dean is more conservative than Bush on guns (Bush advocated renewal of the assault weapons ban -- Dean, governor of the state with the least ...
Thomas L. Knapp
thomaslknapp Offline Send Email
Jul 19, 2005
8:05 am

Knapp is correct on all accounts. Dean's state is the only state in the Nation that allows anyone, even a convicted felon, to carry a concealed weapon. Bush on...
jeffrey_d_reese Offline Jul 19, 2005
10:33 am

One problem with your account is that you are substituting the man (Dean) for his party. Who was up in arms (pun intended) when the assault weapons ban was ...
John
jkaiseresquire Offline Send Email
Jul 19, 2005
12:29 pm

... No doubt about it ... but the thing is, it applies to both parties, and it goes both ways. Both parties have been held hostage by combinations of...
Thomas L. Knapp
thomaslknapp Offline Send Email
Jul 19, 2005
3:52 pm

... I am a bit confused what you are referring to. The FDR years? Or are you thinking more about the moderate Kennedy years? The only time I can think of a...
John
jkaiseresquire Offline Send Email
Jul 19, 2005
4:30 pm

... The Democratic Party began its swing away from classical liberalism, i.e. libertarianism, with Wilson. There was a brief period between WWI and the...
Thomas L. Knapp
thomaslknapp Offline Send Email
Jul 19, 2005
8:22 pm

Interesting read. Thank you for that enlightenment. Curious. As an historian and all and an expert on politics, who would you say could be categorized as the...
Eric Dondero Rittberg
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Jul 19, 2005
10:10 pm

... I think that they're almost as thin on the ground in the Democratic Party as in the Republican Party. Most libertarians on both sides of the aisle agree...
Thomas L. Knapp
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Jul 20, 2005
3:15 am

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:14:44 -0400, Thomas L. Knapp ... You do realize this group "caucus" is a joke, right? -- ... DJ Entropy America's #1 Hardcore...
DJ Entropy
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Jul 20, 2005
3:18 am

Okay, fair enough. So, tell us Mr. Knapp who is your modern "libertarian hero" in the Democrat Party? Who best represents the "libertarian wing" of the Dems...
Eric Dondero Rittberg
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Jul 19, 2005
6:53 pm

... Why, I do, of course. Tom Knapp...
Thomas L. Knapp
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Jul 19, 2005
9:11 pm

Clever deflection. Nice try. As much as I respect you, Thomas, please don't take offense at this remark. Unfortunately, you are not currently an elected...
Eric Dondero Rittberg
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Jul 19, 2005
10:17 pm

... I believe that I answered your question one or two posts ago: I don't think there's a single Democratic congresscritter whom I'd call a "libertarian...
Thomas L. Knapp
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Jul 20, 2005
3:24 am

Tom, My father, a libertartian from the beginning, has often made a similar argument regarding the Democratic Party. He has often commented that Libertarians...
smallgovisbest Offline Jul 19, 2005
10:07 pm

And that's a good thing? Allowing convicted felons the right to carry hand guns or even rifles? I'm all in favor of the right to bear arms. But if you commit...
Eric Dondero Rittberg
ericdondero Offline Send Email
Jul 19, 2005
6:46 pm

... Typical response from a fucking liberal. Vermont has the 2nd lowest crime rate in the Nation and the lowest gun crime rate in the Nation. If they start...
jeffrey_d_reese Offline Jul 19, 2005
7:27 pm

So why not give convicted felons all sorts of privledges then? How about a $$$ bonus for all that lost time spent in jail? Let them vote in elections. Give...
Eric Dondero Rittberg
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Jul 19, 2005
10:04 pm

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:04:55 -0400, Eric Dondero Rittberg ... I don't see why committing a felony (no matter what it is) has anything to do with the loss of...
DJ Entropy
djentropyhar... Offline Send Email
Jul 19, 2005
10:52 pm

Depends on the felony. I think anything dealing with drugs, etc. should allow a restored vote (since the laws themselves are wrong in the first place). But I...
John
jkaiseresquire Offline Send Email
Jul 19, 2005
11:41 pm

... Why? I'm not saying that I support rapists or murderers, but what does their suffrage have to do with anything? The punishment should fit the crime, and I...
DJ Entropy
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Jul 19, 2005
11:46 pm

Drug laws are a bitch, aren't they? J. Kaiser ... their ... crime, ... for it. ... is ... for this ... political and ... Rick ... Bush...
John
jkaiseresquire Offline Send Email
Jul 20, 2005
12:46 am

... Yup. That incident in my life was the one of the biggest reasons I left the LP and joined the GOP. ... -- ... DJ Entropy America's #1 Hardcore DJ/producer...
DJ Entropy
djentropyhar... Offline Send Email
Jul 20, 2005
12:48 am

... left ... I am a bit confused. I thought it would be the other way around. J. Kaiser...
John
jkaiseresquire Offline Send Email
Jul 20, 2005
2:08 am

... How so? The LP doesn't DO anything, nor will they ever. They're completely inept and backwards. -- ... DJ Entropy America's #1 Hardcore DJ/producer ...
DJ Entropy
djentropyhar... Offline Send Email
Jul 20, 2005
2:11 am

... What have your buddies in the GOP done besides build more prisons for guys like you and spend more money going after guys like you? The LP and their...
jeffrey_d_reese Offline Jul 20, 2005
10:27 am

... left ... The GOP supports laws that make it hard for you to find work, force you to carry a stigma around the rest of your life, and you thank them for it?...
marthos Offline Send Email Jul 20, 2005
5:43 pm

... Nope, that would be the Democrats. And I hate them for it. -- ... DJ Entropy America's #1 Hardcore DJ/producer http://www.djentropy.com ...
DJ Entropy
djentropyhar... Offline Send Email
Jul 22, 2005
5:27 am
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