In the lyrics for the music theatre piece "Boojum! Nonsense, Truth, and Lewis Carroll" (recently revived in Chicago), Snarks is rhymed with quarks and Snark...
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guy_d_barry
Feb 19, 2011 3:19 pm
... Written by one Peter Wesley-Smith, I see, with music by Martin Wesley-Smith. Are you by any chance related? :-) I hadn't come across this piece before -...
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Doug Howick
doughowick
Feb 19, 2011 10:51 pm
John: Although (as you know), I’m aware of the reasons for your hypothesis that there were two ships and two Bellmen, I believe there would be many to whom...
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Doug Howick
doughowick
Feb 19, 2011 11:53 pm
Guy: Peter is THE Peter Wesley-Smith! In addition to the Mike Batt musical you may be interested in the following: 1. The Hunting of the Snark & The Bab...
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John Tufail
tufail45
Feb 20, 2011 1:01 am
Re Boots and the two Bellmen! Although Carroll DID of course confirm that Boots was the Navigator. He did not say that he navigated. Indeed he could not have...
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guy_d_barry
Feb 20, 2011 11:08 am
... Gosh, I had no idea I was in such august company on this list - the writer of a Snark musical and the author of an academic paper on the subject! I feel...
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guy_d_barry
Feb 20, 2011 4:53 pm
... If you believe Carroll's account in the Preface, then it was possible to navigate during the periods when the bowsprit had been unshipped to be...
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John Tufail
tufail45
Feb 21, 2011 12:10 am
Hi, Guy, This is the Bellman talking - not the narrator or Carroll. The Bellman declined ' on his part' whilst acknowledging the existence of a 'separate ship...
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John Tufail
tufail45
Feb 21, 2011 12:43 am
Oh, By the way Guy, You really have to put yourslf into the mindset of Carroll and Holiday here. At the time Carroll was writing, the two most important...
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fernando soto
ferjsoto42
Feb 21, 2011 1:50 am
John, I don't know what Guy will say, but here are my two bits. Surely it is the narrator stating what the "Bellman declared," otherwise there ought to be...
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guy_d_barry
Feb 21, 2011 8:02 am
I think Fernando has said everything rather more eloquently than I could, but here are my comments. (Incidentally, I note you never answered my point about...
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John Tufail
tufail45
Feb 22, 2011 2:17 am
Hi Guy, OK, If it is a nonsense poem, and nothing more, both my and Fernando's theories are obviously completely irrelevant and the poem should be enjoyed...
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guy_d_barry
Feb 22, 2011 8:44 am
... I don't deny that there are many coded references in the text to events of the day and other "in-jokes";. But I don't believe that the poem has an overall...
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guy_d_barry
Feb 22, 2011 9:04 am
... Can I just add that you've invented a lovely portmanteau word there between "labyrinthine" and "rhythmic";. Carroll would be proud of you!...
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John Tufail
tufail45
Feb 22, 2011 12:28 pm
I know that the words are spoken by the crew. Sorry that was a late night typo. The point still remains, the crew does not say that the Bellman is also the...
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mahendra singh
mahendra373
Feb 22, 2011 12:56 pm
These are carefully reasoned out arguments and genuinely learned, yet I must suggest that since LC was a logician, perhaps Ockham's Razor must be taken into...
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John Tufail
tufail45
Feb 22, 2011 2:18 pm
Absulutely Mahendra, Didn't Carroll sa something similiar in a letter to a US girtls' school? Regards JT ... Absulutely Mahendra, Â Didn't Carroll sa...
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mahendra singh
mahendra373
Feb 22, 2011 3:08 pm
yes, that it might be seen as an allegory for the search for happiness looking at it allegorically, both yours & Fernando's theories are perfectly admissable...
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Michael Everson
evertype
Feb 22, 2011 3:11 pm
Evertype would like to announce the publication of a new edition of "The Admiral's Caravan", written in 1891 by Charles Edward Carryl and illustrated by...
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fernando soto
ferjsoto42
Feb 22, 2011 7:22 pm
Hi John, I sent this message yesterday, but I think that our "moderator" has suppressed it, while being more interested in advertising his books that have...
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Michael Everson
evertype
Feb 22, 2011 7:27 pm
... Actually, Fernando, I simply hadn't got to it, because the Yahoo software hadn't advised me that a message was pending. In point of fact, Charles E....
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John Tufail
tufail45
Feb 23, 2011 12:25 am
Hi Mahendra. Hirsute!? Well beards have a lot to do with it in terms of identification of the Bellmen! But I feel you have different meaning. I agree (more...
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guy_d_barry
Feb 25, 2011 8:42 am
In Knot X of A Tangled Tale, Carroll poses the following problem: suppose it's midnight in Chelsea, changing from Wednesday to Thursday. Then it's Wednesday...
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Keith
keith_alan_w...
Feb 25, 2011 9:39 am
Guy, Lewis Carroll was no more puzzled by ‘Where the day began?’ than anyone else who had some intelligence at that time. He gave a lecture on the subject...
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guy_d_barry
Feb 27, 2011 9:19 am
I first came across extracts from Sylvie and Bruno in a book entitled "The Magic of Lewis Carroll" by John Fisher (now out of print). The books seemed...
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mahendra singh
mahendra373
Feb 27, 2011 10:09 pm
The ambiguity is deliberate, that is the essence of mature artwork … S&B is a very flawed piece of craftsmanship. Maybe it's the novel that LC would have...
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John Tufail
tufail45
Feb 27, 2011 11:27 pm
Hi All, Mahendra, of course, is quite right. Ambiguity is at the heart of 'Absurdist' literature. This of course raises a point. Carroll, traditionally has...
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mahendra singh
mahendra373
Feb 28, 2011 9:17 pm
I like your idea of LC as absurdist, this is food for thought … and the French do seem to have a thing for S&B and for that matter, they like taking a...
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John Tufail
tufail45
Mar 1, 2011 1:16 am
Hi Mahendra! Well of course the French are probably the only nation that has an institute dedicated to the preservation of its language. The very idea of...
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Michael Everson
evertype
Mar 1, 2011 1:21 am
... And most other genres. Science fiction uses it certainly. ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdist_fiction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_nonsense...
