When I planted my first box, I wanted to do something special, so I painted a
design on the outside of my plastic container with acrylic paint. I didn't
expect the paint job to last very long, but it was fun doing it.  I tested the
container to make sure it was water tight - weighted it down submerged in water
for several days with some paper inside.  The paper stayed dry.  So, I planted
it naked with my logbook and stamp inside and it stayed dry.  The container got
a bit scratched up, but nothing major.  So one day I thought maybe if I put a
baggie around the container it wouldn't get quite as scratched up.  I had read
that it wasn't a good thing to put a bag on the outside and the reasons, but
thought I'd try it anyway.  BAD MOVE!  After a week I checked on the box, and
there was condensation in the bag and the paint was peeling off the container in
places. The inside of the container was still nice and dry, just as it had been
before.  So, I left the
  bag off.  In the meantime, I had heeded the wisdom of those more experience
than I had and planted several other boxes without bags outside.  They are all
alive and well even with the rain we've had this year.
I hope that if someone finds a box of mine that is wet, that they will dry off
the inside and bag the contents with a dry bag inside - not outside - and let me
know so that I can take care of the rest myself.

I use a black bag on the outside to help hide the box; light clear boxes are
more visible than a black bag, even if torn.  Inside the bag is a Lock &
Lock or something similar with the logbook double-bagged.



To me, it is absolutely pointless to rely on an outer bag for protection;
you might as well leave the box open to the elements.



   _____

From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dondif02762
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 7:07 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Why, Why, Why?





OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on
several boards but I just have to vent......

What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes? They serve no
useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra
protection.

If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would
someone please explain it to me.

Phewwww; I feel better................





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How is debate possible without different opinions?




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From: shirl <casac14094@...>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 10:03:09 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?

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Furthermore, I don't think this is a topic for debate. Everyone is entitled to
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Don Wrote:

Please when finding another person's plant do not place a baggie on the
exterior. If you want to use baggies on your exterior (your letterbox not
you personally) then that is your business.

****************************

Don,

I think you are being unnecessarily restrictive - if they want to apply
baggies to their personal exterior, I don't think we should limit them
there.  Just hopefully they will camo them first so they aren't see-through.

Lucy


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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dondif02762" <Dondo_48@...> wrote:
>
> OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on
several boards but I just have to vent......
>
> What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes?  They serve no
useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra
protection.

NO USEFUL PURPOSE!!!!! Contrary to this statement it is obvious that they do
serve a useful purpose. Think of them as a test. Once holes get in the bags
(that could be as soon as 5 minutes after the last finder wrapped the baggy
around the box) Then the seal of the box gets the test. The baggie will keep
moisture all around the box so then the seal of the box (be it a crummy box or a
lock&lock) will be tested to make sure it stays water tight.Once the seal is
bypassed then the quality of the interior baggies get tested.

Please when finding another person's plant do not place a baggie on the
exterior. If you want to use baggies on your exterior (your letterbox not you
personally) then that is your business.

Don

Or rocks, or boulders, or the sun's rays don't break down the plastic.....

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, Barefoot Lucy <barefootlucy@...> wrote:

From: Barefoot Lucy <barefootlucy@...>
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 11:23 AM

And as long as there aren't sticks or twigs that rip the baggie...

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:09 AM, MTCobra <mtcobra@...> wrote:

> Key words here:  “as long as it is closed by the finder.”
>
> (And as long as no little critters with claws comes along.)
>
> Otherwise, fine!
>
> Thunder Cobra
> MTCobra
> East Central Illinois
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> On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:03 AM, shirl wrote:
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> > I have been boxing for a few years and DO put bags on the outside of my
> boxes. I carry extra bags with me in case I find a box full of water. After
> I dry it the best I can, I put everything back and put a bag on the outside.
> It is my experience that, as long as it is closed by the finder, it keeps
> water out. Furthermore, I don't think this is a topic for debate. Everyone
> is entitled to their own opinion. If I choose to use an extra bag and I
> don't, so what. It does not change the big picture of LB'ing.
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, donutz716 <donutz716@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > When I first started boxing, I did put them in baggies.  I learned
> from experience that it's not a good idea.  They are great for ripping and
> holding water.  Perhaps inexperienced boxers will have to learn the hard
> way.
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > > donutz716
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 11/22/09, sewsowbizzy <sowbiz@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: sewsowbizzy <sowbiz@...>
> > > Subject: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?
> > > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
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> > > Double bagging on the -inside- is the better solution.
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> > > --- In letterbox-usa@ yahoogroups. com, "dondif02762" <Dondo_48@ .>
> wrote:
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> > > > OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past
> and on several boards but I just have to vent......
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> serve no useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any
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"Not about footwear, it's about philosophy!"


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And as long as there aren't sticks or twigs that rip the baggie...

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:09 AM, MTCobra <mtcobra@...> wrote:

> Key words here:  �as long as it is closed by the finder.�
>
> (And as long as no little critters with claws comes along.)
>
> Otherwise, fine!
>
> Thunder Cobra
> MTCobra
> East Central Illinois
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> On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:03 AM, shirl wrote:
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> > I have been boxing for a few years and DO put bags on the outside of my
> boxes. I carry extra bags with me in case I find a box full of water. After
> I dry it the best I can, I put everything back and put a bag on the outside.
> It is my experience that, as long as it is closed by the finder, it keeps
> water out. Furthermore, I don't think this is a topic for debate. Everyone
> is entitled to their own opinion. If I choose to use an extra bag and I
> don't, so what. It does not change the big picture of LB'ing.
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, donutz716 <donutz716@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > When I first started boxing, I did put them in baggies.�  I learned
> from experience that it's not a good idea.�  They are great for ripping and
> holding water.�  Perhaps inexperienced boxers will have to learn the hard
> way.
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > > donutz716
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 11/22/09, sewsowbizzy <sowbiz@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: sewsowbizzy <sowbiz@...>
> > > Subject: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?
> > > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 8:05 AM
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> > > --- In letterbox-usa@ yahoogroups. com, "dondif02762" <Dondo_48@ .>
> wrote:
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> > > > OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past
> and on several boards but I just have to vent......
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes? They
> serve no useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any
> extra protection.
> > >
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> > > > If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use
> would someone please explain it to me.
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Key words here:  �as long as it is closed by the finder.�

(And as long as no little critters with claws comes along.)

Otherwise, fine!

Thunder Cobra
MTCobra
East Central Illinois







On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:03 AM, shirl wrote:

> I have been boxing for a few years and DO put bags on the outside of my boxes.
I carry extra bags with me in case I find a box full of water. After I dry it
the best I can, I put everything back and put a bag on the outside. It is my
experience that, as long as it is closed by the finder, it keeps water out.
Furthermore, I don't think this is a topic for debate. Everyone is entitled to
their own opinion. If I choose to use an extra bag and I don't, so what. It does
not change the big picture of LB'ing.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, donutz716 <donutz716@...> wrote:
> >
> > When I first started boxing, I did put them in baggies.�  I learned from
experience that it's not a good idea.�  They are great for ripping and holding
water.�  Perhaps inexperienced boxers will have to learn the hard way.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> > donutz716
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/22/09, sewsowbizzy <sowbiz@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: sewsowbizzy <sowbiz@...>
> > Subject: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?
> > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 8:05 AM
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hold up on their own.
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> > --- In letterbox-usa@ yahoogroups. com, "dondif02762" <Dondo_48@ .> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on
several boards but I just have to vent......
> >
> > >
> >
> > > What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes? They serve
no useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra
protection.
> >
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> >
> > > If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would
someone please explain it to me.
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I have never - one single time, found a baggie on the outside of a box that
was intact and/or dry.
I also carry extra baggies and papertowels and a rag for cleaning out boxes
that are wet inside.
And what is this list if it's not a podium for debate???  That's where the
best ideas are born.
If it becomes uncivil...then it's not a debate - it's an argument.  And
that's another can of worms.

zorket

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:03 AM, shirl <casac14094@...> wrote:

>
>
> I have been boxing for a few years and DO put bags on the outside of my
> boxes. I carry extra bags with me in case I find a box full of water. After
> I dry it the best I can, I put everything back and put a bag on the outside.
> It is my experience that, as long as it is closed by the finder, it keeps
> water out. Furthermore, I don't think this is a topic for debate. Everyone
> is entitled to their own opinion. If I choose to use an extra bag and I
> don't, so what. It does not change the big picture of LB'ing.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com <letterbox-usa%40yahoogroups.com>,
> donutz716 <donutz716@...> wrote:
> >
> > When I first started boxing, I did put them in baggies.�  I learned from
> experience that it's not a good idea.�  They are great for ripping and
> holding water.�  Perhaps inexperienced boxers will have to learn the hard
> way.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> > donutz716
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/22/09, sewsowbizzy <sowbiz@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: sewsowbizzy <sowbiz@...>
> > Subject: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?
> > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com <letterbox-usa%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 8:05 AM
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> > I usually find them 'protecting' inferior 'Glad' boxes because they can't
> hold up on their own.
> >
> >
> >
> > Double bagging on the -inside- is the better solution.
> >
> >
> >
> > sewsewbizzy
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@ yahoogroups. com, "dondif02762" <Dondo_48@ .>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and
> on several boards but I just have to vent......
> >
> > >
> >
> > > What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes? They
> serve no useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any
> extra protection.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use
> would someone please explain it to me.
> >
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I have been boxing for a few years and DO put bags on the outside of my boxes. 
I carry extra bags with me in case I find a box full of water.  After I dry it
the best I can, I put everything back and put a bag on the outside.  It is my
experience that, as long as it is closed by the finder, it keeps water out. 
Furthermore, I don't think this is a topic for debate.  Everyone is entitled to
their own opinion.  If I choose to use an extra bag and I don't, so what.  It
does not change the big picture of LB'ing.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, donutz716 <donutz716@...> wrote:
>
> When I first started boxing, I did put them in baggies.  I learned from
experience that it's not a good idea.  They are great for ripping and holding
water.  Perhaps inexperienced boxers will have to learn the hard way.
>
> Enjoy!
> donutz716
>
> --- On Sun, 11/22/09, sewsowbizzy <sowbiz@...> wrote:
>
> From: sewsowbizzy <sowbiz@...>
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 8:05 AM
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can't hold up on their own.
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>
> Double bagging on the -inside- is the better solution.
>
>
>
> sewsewbizzy
>
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@ yahoogroups. com, "dondif02762" <Dondo_48@ .> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on
several boards but I just have to vent......
>
> >
>
> > What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes?  They serve
no useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra
protection.
>
> >
>
> > If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would
someone please explain it to me.
>
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>
> > Phewwww; I feel better...... ......... .
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When I first started boxing, I did put them in baggies.  I learned from
experience that it's not a good idea.  They are great for ripping and holding
water.  Perhaps inexperienced boxers will have to learn the hard way.

Enjoy!
donutz716

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, sewsowbizzy <sowbiz@...> wrote:

From: sewsowbizzy <sowbiz@...>
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 8:05 AM







 









       I usually find them 'protecting' inferior 'Glad' boxes because they can't
hold up on their own.



Double bagging on the -inside- is the better solution.



sewsewbizzy



--- In letterbox-usa@ yahoogroups. com, "dondif02762" <Dondo_48@.. .> wrote:

>

> OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on
several boards but I just have to vent......

>

> What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes?  They serve no
useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra
protection.

>

> If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would
someone please explain it to me.

>

> Phewwww; I feel better...... ......... .

>

























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I usually find them 'protecting' inferior 'Glad' boxes because they can't hold
up on their own.

Double bagging on the -inside- is the better solution.

sewsewbizzy

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dondif02762" <Dondo_48@...> wrote:
>
> OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on
several boards but I just have to vent......
>
> What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes?  They serve no
useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra
protection.
>
> If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would
someone please explain it to me.
>
> Phewwww; I feel better................
>

Amen!


Thunder Cobra
MTCobra
East Central Illinois







On Nov 21, 2009, at 6:11 PM, ButterflyPR@... wrote:

> I totally agree--I have been told by people who like to use them that they
provide extra protection, but based on observation, they seem to only add an
extra storage place for standing water AND often make it more difficult to hide
the box well.
>
> You're preachin' to the choir, here!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dondif02762" <Dondo_48@...>
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 7:06:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [LbNA] Why, Why, Why?
>
> OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on
several boards but I just have to vent......
>
> What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes? They serve no
useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra
protection.
>
> If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would
someone please explain it to me.
>
> Phewwww; I feel better................
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I totally agree--I have been told by people who like to use them that they
provide extra protection, but based on observation, they seem to only add an
extra storage place for standing water AND often make it more difficult to hide
the box well.


You're preachin' to the choir, here!

----- Original Message -----
From: "dondif02762" <Dondo_48@...>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 7:06:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [LbNA] Why, Why, Why?






OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on
several boards but I just have to vent......

What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes? They serve no
useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra
protection.

If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would
someone please explain it to me.

Phewwww; I feel better................




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OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on
several boards but I just have to vent......

What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes?  They serve no
useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra
protection.

If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would
someone please explain it to me.

Phewwww; I feel better................

This is so cool!  I am so wishing I had known about this hobby sooner. I have
passed some of the sites here in the USA twice a year and never knew.

more road trips!!!

hugs,
ladyval

Hubby and I are planning a last minute trip to Little Rock, AR for lots and lots
of letterboxing tomorrow, Saturday, November 21. I know this is very last
minute, but anyone want to meet for lunch at the Food Court of Park Plaza Mall
tomorrow from 11 am to 1 pm or so? Park Plaza Mall is located at 6000 West
Markham Street, Little Rock, Arkansas. I've never been there before, so I can't
say where to meet, but hubby and I will be sitting close to Back Yard Burgers
and we will have letterbox containers on our table (personal travellers,
signature stamp, ltc's, etc). Bring your travellers, ltc's etc for stamping and
swapping while we have lunch. I know this is last minute, but I hope some can
join us. We only live 2 hours away in Memphis, and would love to meet some
Arkansas Letterboxers. We are staying the weekend, so if a different time or if
Sunday is better, let us know and we will change the meet-up time.

Thanks for visiting and for placing boxes for us to find! No, we're not a
hot-bed down here yet, but we do have more than a few boxes to find - probably
around 150.

The most definitive list can be found at
http://www.psychokiwi.org/letterboxing/nzboxing.htm
but is not always the most up-to-date. AtlasQuest also has over 95% of the boxes
listed, and you can use the journey planner features if you're on a road trip as
all the main highways are listed.

Cheers,

Judi (Team Psychokiwi)

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Wisconsin Hiker" <kotlarek@...> wrote:
>
> I was very happy to get two emails this month that 2 boxes we planted two
years ago have finally had visitors!
>
> Almost exactly 2 years ago we spent 3 weeks vacationing in New Zealand.  While
we were there we planted 2 boxes on the South Island and 3 on the North Island. 
All had a Maori theme. The NI boxes were found after 1 year and now the SI boxes
have been found after 2 years.  It was nice to hear that they are still in good
shape.  I think each box has only had one visitor - 55 Steps (of NZ) at 4 of the
boxes and Norfolk Nomads (from Norfolk, MA USA) at 1 box.
>
> No, these were not tricky, mystery clues.  NZ is just not a hot bed of LB
activity.  However if any of you head over that way, there ARE a few boxes
scattered around, most planted by people from the USA.
>
> Wisconsin Hiker
>

I was very happy to get two emails this month that 2 boxes we planted two years
ago have finally had visitors!

Almost exactly 2 years ago we spent 3 weeks vacationing in New Zealand.  While
we were there we planted 2 boxes on the South Island and 3 on the North Island. 
All had a Maori theme. The NI boxes were found after 1 year and now the SI boxes
have been found after 2 years.  It was nice to hear that they are still in good
shape.  I think each box has only had one visitor - 55 Steps (of NZ) at 4 of the
boxes and Norfolk Nomads (from Norfolk, MA USA) at 1 box.

No, these were not tricky, mystery clues.  NZ is just not a hot bed of LB
activity.  However if any of you head over that way, there ARE a few boxes
scattered around, most planted by people from the USA.

Wisconsin Hiker

sure...just go to the LBNA website and lok for LbNA regalia ---or click the
patch


--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Ellen Dill <thetravelersfour@...> wrote:


From: Ellen Dill <thetravelersfour@...>
Subject: Re: [LbNA] LBNA Car Window sticker
To: "letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com" <letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 8:48 PM


 



I'll ask Choi ...

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2009, at 11:09 AM, "YDeBor" <ydebor@yahoo. com> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a LBNA Car sticker or bumper sticker available? I
would be proud to have one on my car. The LBNA logo is so nice too. What about
any other stickers or patches etc.

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Silver Eagle,
YES!  The boxes of retired boxers live on.  I just checked on a box I originally
found in 2003.  It had been placed in 2002, was an orphan when I found it and is
still active as of last week.
Deep Creek Local

Might want to take photos of all the rocks you've planted under, for future
identification.... =)

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Randy Hall <randy@...> wrote:
�I just don't want someone e-mailing me five years from now regarding some box
I've never heard of, and it turns out to be mine :)�





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I join the chorus of letterboxers (past, present, and most important � those yet
to come) in support of Silver Eagle�s idea.

Randy:  Say it isn�t so!  I�ve never met ya, but by gawd, I�ve read your book! 
Now when someone asks me about that book (prominently displayed on a small wall
desk holding tiny stamp pads), I�ll have to say � �Yea, that was written when
the world was a better place, but alas, the author has decided his time is spent
� he must move on."

There is life after Letterboxing?  I think not!


Thunder Cobra
MTCobra
East Central Illinois







On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:09 AM, seek2dream wrote:

>
>
> I hear ya, I feel the same way. Silver Eagle's idea sounds like a good one,
and would hope Randy would do something like it. For the sake of the hobby and
other boxer's still yet to come. All those in favor, speak up. At least, he
would hear of the love that his fellow boxers have for him and what he has done
for the hobby.
> Back to lurking......
> Okie Dog
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Laura Price <laurad.price@...> wrote:
> >
> > I so feel lost!!! I feel like I missed someone really important and it
sucks.
> >
>
>



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I hear ya, I feel the same way. Silver Eagle's idea sounds like a good one, and
would hope Randy would do something like it. For the sake of the hobby and other
boxer's still yet to come. All those in favor, speak up. At least, he would hear
of the love that his fellow boxers have for him and what he has done for the
hobby.
Back to lurking......
Okie Dog

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Laura Price <laurad.price@...> wrote:
>
> I so feel lost!!! I feel like I missed someone really important and it sucks.
>

I so feel lost!!! I feel like I missed someone really important and it sucks.

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, sileagle1 <sileagle@...> wrote:

From: sileagle1 <sileagle@...>
Subject: [LbNA] Re: first, last, and only reminder - Retirement
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:05 AM







 









       I guess this begs a variation on the old question about a tree falling in
the forest with nobody around:  "If a letterboxer still has placed boxes, can
they truly retire?".  I choose to answer:  "No, they just temporarily go
incommunicado" .  No matter the answer, I hope you will continue to occasionally
post here if for no other reason than to expose future letterboxers to your
didactic rhetoric.  I also hope you will consider posting a "retirement speech"
on 12/31/09, complete with a look back at your letterboxing life and your
predictions for letterboxing in the future.  Your boxes will be your legacy, but
your words will be as close as some of us ever get to sharing that life.  Happy
retirement!



Silver Eagle



> But, to answer your question, I've retired, but those who are

> keenly interested in my ideas on outdoor puzzles hopefully will

> not be disappointed going forward.  We'll see, I guess.

> Cheers

> Randy

>

























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I guess this begs a variation on the old question about a tree falling in the
forest with nobody around:  "If a letterboxer still has placed boxes, can they
truly retire?".  I choose to answer:  "No, they just temporarily go
incommunicado".  No matter the answer, I hope you will continue to occasionally
post here if for no other reason than to expose future letterboxers to your
didactic rhetoric.  I also hope you will consider posting a "retirement speech"
on 12/31/09, complete with a look back at your letterboxing life and your
predictions for letterboxing in the future.  Your boxes will be your legacy, but
your words will be as close as some of us ever get to sharing that life.  Happy
retirement!

Silver Eagle


> But, to answer your question, I've retired, but those who are
> keenly interested in my ideas on outdoor puzzles hopefully will
> not be disappointed going forward.  We'll see, I guess.
> Cheers
> Randy
>

I'll ask Choi ...

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2009, at 11:09 AM, "YDeBor" <ydebor@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a LBNA Car sticker or bumper sticker available? I
would be proud to have one on my car. The LBNA logo is so nice too. What about
any other stickers or patches etc.







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Not sure about LbNA, but Dixie does some general letterboxing decals:
http://www.dixiegraphix.com/shop/letterbox/decals/main.html
Looks like the official LbNA stickers on the website are not currently
available.



Kit Kat

----- Original Message -----
From: "YDeBor" <ydebor@...>
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:09:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [LbNA] LBNA Car Window sticker






Does anyone know if there is a LBNA Car sticker or bumper sticker available? I
would be proud to have one on my car. The LBNA logo is so nice too. What about
any other stickers or patches etc.




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Wow, that's amazing!!  Did you ask the finder how many places it has been to
see how it traveled (if they still have the HH logbook)?  There probably
aren't many letterboxes in Japan, are there?



I launch one hitchhiker a year, beginning in 2004, so 6 total.  The first
was found once, then placed in a box that was muggled before anyone else
found it.  As far as I know the other 5 are still out & about.  They all
have a common theme (Mr. Suave, Beat Generation, Beatnik, Bongo Player and
Cool Beat).  I rarely hear about them, but once in a blue moon someone does
email me.  One that I launched in CA made its way fairly quickly to the east
coast.



Wisconsin Hiker





From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Phillip
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:22 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Hitchhikers





I received a surprise email today telling me that a hitchhiker that I
launched back in September of 2007 in Door County WI was just found in
Japan.

I figured that it was lost for sure since not one person had ever reported
finding it since the day that it was launched.

This just had me wondering -- what's the fartherst that your hitchikers have
ever travled? How long have they been out on the road?





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I remember Geocities back when it was geocities.com/silconvalley(or
hollywoodhills, some name like that)/3456/index.html and before yahoo bought it.
Tripod is still around and that has been around as long as geocities I think.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "sileagle1" <sileagle@...> wrote:
>
> The free Geocities web host was scheduled to be discontinued on 10/26/09, and
I just confirmed that my old site it no longer accessible.  Luckily, there was
ample warning for me to move all my clues to LBNA this summer, but I worry that
others may have been lost.  If you come across a clue still linked to Geocities,
maybe you can use the Internet Archive Wayback Machine to find an old cached
version, or maybe the webmasters have better suggestions.
>
> It is really sad for me to lose my Geocities site, mainly because of all the
memories.  I first set up my letterboxing site to post the clues to my first
placed box back in 2002.  Back then, you could not post clues directly on LBNA,
you had to email them to a webmaster who then posted them in the correct state
and county.  Needless to say it was a slow process.  Can you imagine doing it
that way now?  Anyway, I decided to create my own site and learned enough HTML
to post clues myself so my brother Baby Bear would not have to wait for them to
be posted on LBNA.  I had fun playing with the site and soon had pictures, links
and other things to go along with my clues.  I have created a new site with a
different host to house these things, but my clues have been placed directly on
LBNA so I won't have to move them again.  I know things are better for the most
part now, but I find myself missing the old days sometimes.
>
> Silver Eagle
>