... things ... I don't follow this. I presume you do not think it is a lie. Below you seem to call it a necessity. ... human? ... Law." ... already ... This...
... A conceptual, logical necessity -- which does not say much about the way things play out historically; in any case, seeing how closely writing and law are...
Annika writes: [snip] ... Why faith? As philosophy is eminently reasonable and it is the standard to human life as well as its perfection, so to speak, it is...
... I don't think the Law aims at either perfection or reason. And I don't think that philosophy is eminently reasonable, or, rather, that reason is all that...
Annika writes: [snip] ... The unreasonableness of reason only manifests itself when reason is politicized, which is what the Republic is demonstrates. The...
... Okay; but what does that mean for political animals? I don't believe in private law. ... So it's an aesthetic enterprise, like writing a sonnet? ... I...
... I thought your contention was that "this tradition ... is responsible for the second cave." But you don't mention it in the following paragraph and seem to...
... What Strauss says on that page is that "it is not misleading to count Machiavelli among 'the wise of the world.'" The "wise of the world" turn out to be...
Annika writes: [snip] ... Are there any? ... There is no private law, because of the philosopher. ... What, you mean it's not a moral duty? [snip] ... Of...
... Oh, writing sonnets is surely one of the most binding moral duties there are. Higher on the list than not to shtup your mom, in any case. ... Of course --...
... the way ... writing ... Reminds a little of the problem with how to use the state of nature parts of Hobbes and Rousseau. ... kill ... from ... to me. ...
... such is the ... usually in ... I strikes me too, that what Annika calls Law, the prior idea that there should be law, is connected to philosophy according...
... Yes. Just a shy hint that it might be coming. Interesting. Seems to be just a faith though, because the comment contains its own scepticism. Very cautious....
... of "The Law." ... Annika. ... Again bable ... I would like to add, for Annika... If I may use the updated state of nature model again, ie looking at the...
... Absolutely. ... I do think it's true; but I don't think its truth can be demonstrated by the methods and tools of the discipline history. ... You think...
... Strauss. ... --There _is_ a difference here, it seems to me. The question is whether what orders the polis is going to be reason, or laws growing out of...
... Andrew, neither rules nor memes are laws. And, again, neither the male who procreates nor the male who's involved in care of the young is a father in the...
... I agree with that absolutely. It's unreason that thinks laws are (in the last analysis) reasonable. They can be eminently reasonable after the first leap...
... demonstrated by ... Any discipline? ... picked ... males ... glance ... of ... Yes. Without theories of parenthood, same happens with humans. The pater...
... Well, let's say it is. How could it not be also to encourage one to "try to philosophize"? So then one does not even have to philosophize to understand...
I think the problem here is a confusion of terms. Ms. Annika refers to a "concept" of the law. As she understands it, there can no more be a "concept" of the...
... Well, no. What she understands it that there can be no laws without The Law. ... The father is always already castrated (in the only sense that matters). I...
andrew_and_inge wrote: ... You know, I have three cats here in this house. One's female, and has given birth to the other two. The oldest of the males is also...
Let us perform an experiment, an experimentum crucis, if you will. There is no law in Iraq right now. But are Iraqis still subject to "the law"? Of course they...
... Yes, precisely. That's what I've been trying to tell the boys all along. ... I don't. ... Nonsense. From the beginning, I've insisted on the difference....
... them. Again, you're mixing levels. There is no desire for the "real." That is nonsense. There can only be desire for the "thing," because we are, after...
... I'll give you the same credit... for it is, of course, Lacan who says that our desire is for the real. ... I'll believe it once someone answers my question...
Perhaps, since you're crawling around inside the head of the father, you could explain this many-coloured desire of the father. Does the father desire...
... Interesting you should ask! I was just wondering to which extent the father/son relationship can be understood as a version of the master/slave dialectic....
