Greetings all!

I am new to this group and this craft/hobby.  I am looking for
information on how to make leather key fob and other attractive
attatchments (under 6" final finished size).

Are there any web pages that share detailed instructions or are there
any novice books that can be recommended.

I have found some information on a style that I liked.  It is a
medevil braiding style that uses 8 strands.  I also think that
the "little lumpy" is cute as well as the ball (unsure of technical
name).

www.stringpage.com\old\braids.html

I am not sure if this is the correct forum for the question or if I
should be looking for a braiding page.

Thanks in advance for the help.

joe

-


Joe, take a look here and see if it is what you are looking for.

http://www.hought.com/art-key%20fob.html

Don

-- In knottyers@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <joe_2224@y...> wrote:
> Greetings all!
>
> I am new to this group and this craft/hobby.  I am looking for
> information on how to make leather key fob and other attractive
> attatchments (under 6" final finished size).
>
> Are there any web pages that share detailed instructions or are
there
> any novice books that can be recommended.
>
> I have found some information on a style that I liked.  It is a
> medevil braiding style that uses 8 strands.  I also think that
> the "little lumpy" is cute as well as the ball (unsure of
technical
> name).
>
> www.stringpage.com\old\braids.html
>
> I am not sure if this is the correct forum for the question or if
I
> should be looking for a braiding page.
>
> Thanks in advance for the help.
>
> joe

I am curious about making some star knot tie tacks.  The info that Edward
Morai provides in the files section of the web page on the eight point star
knot is fantastic.  But I was wondering if the same procedure could be
followed with respect to a 5 point star knot.  I am particularly interested
in the procedure that secures the tie tack pin in place.  Morai uses a 4
cord double strand crown knot.  But that leaves me with eight cords to work
with and trimming 3 cords off seems to me would weaken the crown knot.  Does
anyone have any suggestions.  Has anyone tied a 5 point star knot tie tack?

Jerry




Jerry L. Foust
jlfoust@...

hello Jerry....i made a couple of pins/tie tacks
this morning!...(6-strand Star Knots!)...at this
moment i am working on the instructions for the
Star Knots...when i'm done you should be able
to easily make a Star Knot tie tack...in the
meantime you can make a Little Lump Knot!:
http://knotical-arts.com/knot.html
....Dan-Alaska


--- In knottyers@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry L. Foust" <jlfoust@n...>
wrote:
> I am curious about making some star knot tie tacks.  The info that
Edward
> Morai provides in the files section of the web page on the eight
point star
> knot is fantastic.  But I was wondering if the same procedure could
be
> followed with respect to a 5 point star knot.  I am particularly
interested
> in the procedure that secures the tie tack pin in place.  Morai
uses a 4
> cord double strand crown knot.  But that leaves me with eight cords
to work
> with and trimming 3 cords off seems to me would weaken the crown
knot.  Does
> anyone have any suggestions.  Has anyone tied a 5 point star knot
tie tack?
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
> Jerry L. Foust
> jlfoust@n...

Dan / Jerry:

What size of line are you using / planning to use for your tacks? I was
doing a 6 strrand star-knot the other day, and it looks that if you make
it with too many strands you would need a core. Any ideas on what to
use?

Howard

--
53 Deg. 33 Min North Latitude
113 Deg. 29 Min. West Longitude

Website: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/hgibbins

Pineapple Knots have been very hard to find instructions for.
During last Sundays chat session, Dan (knot_tyer) told me of some
being on the http://photos.yahoo.com/knot_tyer/ site.  One was tied
but not tightened.  Using that as the example, I have been able to
tie three so far.

They can be seen at http://www.geocities.com/dgtlcwby/

Have fun with knots.
Boffa

Howard,

I plan on using either 2mm cord or #18 twine for a larger size and 1.4mm for
a small size.


Jerry


   -----Original Message-----
   From: howard [mailto:howard]On Behalf Of Howard Gibbins
   Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:04 PM
   To: knottyers@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [KnotTyers] Re: 5 point star knot pin


   Dan / Jerry:

   What size of line are you using / planning to use for your tacks? I was
   doing a 6 strrand star-knot the other day, and it looks that if you make
   it with too many strands you would need a core. Any ideas on what to
   use?

   Howard

   --
   53 Deg. 33 Min North Latitude
   113 Deg. 29 Min. West Longitude

   Website: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/hgibbins

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hello Boffa....that folder on pineapple knots
is here in KnotTyers Group>Photos>Fancy Knots>Pineapple Knots
...i'm still working on figuring out the "type 3" pineapple
knots!....but the "type 2" is the Heel Knot that is in
Bruce Grant: Encyclopedia of Rawhide and Leather Braiding....
...the Hought site has the books on these types of knots!!:
http://www.hought.com/
....Dan-Alaska
--- In knottyers@yahoogroups.com, "dgtlcwby" <dgtlcwby@y...> wrote:
> Pineapple Knots have been very hard to find instructions for.
> During last Sundays chat session, Dan (knot_tyer) told me of some
> being on the http://photos.yahoo.com/knot_tyer/ site.  One was tied
> but not tightened.  Using that as the example, I have been able to
> tie three so far.
>
> They can be seen at http://www.geocities.com/dgtlcwby/
>
> Have fun with knots.
> Boffa

hello Howard....for pins/tie tacks i use 1.4mm and 1/16" Yale...
the Yale is "spectra" and it is like cutting steel!..it is very
expensive, but makes a beautiful little pin!!!...i don't use
2mm to make pins(you can, but they are a little large for a tie
tack!)..i use 2mm Marlow (and 1/16" Yale) to make beautiful little
key fobs!!(7-strand Star Knot and Little Lump Knots)...i also
make Star Knot key fobs with 3mm paracord...i use any kind
of cord to make the "refrigerator magnets/"in-out board" magnets"
...Dan-Alaska


--- In knottyers@yahoogroups.com, Howard Gibbins <hgibbins@t...>
wrote:
> Dan / Jerry:
>
> What size of line are you using / planning to use for your tacks? I
was
> doing a 6 strrand star-knot the other day, and it looks that if you
make
> it with too many strands you would need a core. Any ideas on what to
> use?
>
> Howard
>
> --
> 53 Deg. 33 Min North Latitude
> 113 Deg. 29 Min. West Longitude
>
> Website: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/hgibbins

sometime ago I got a copy of the New Bedford Cordage Co. Booklet
in .PDF format but I had A hard drive crash and lost it all. can
someone help me find it.

Joe

Hi All,

As Dan C. (knot_tyer) said last month the photo section of this group
is filling up.  Dan proposed a solution...  Everyone's Yahoo ID comes
with a photo section within their 'personal space'.  You can access
yours by going to

http://photos.yahoo.com/(your Yahoo ID)/

Here is an example of my account (knotslipstick)

http://photos.yahoo.com/knotslipstick/

I propose that we each move your older pics to our personal space and
delete them from the groups album space, and then place
a 'bookmark/link' in the links section:

The links are organized alphebetically(sp?), so I propose that we
have a standarized title so that others can find them...


Title

Photos: (your Yahoo ID)

Description --

A quick description of what you've got

URL --

http://photos.yahoo.com/(your Yahoo ID)/




Example from my bookmark...(you can see it in the links section)

Photos: knotslipstick's
Photo's of my work & conferences I've attended
http://photos.yahoo.com/knotslipstick/

I don't say much but I have been tying knots and teaching about them
for over 50 years and most of LEARNING about knots and rope.

hello Ed/KnotTyers....i have a list of
KnotTyers Group Photo Albums started on
my homepage/KnotTyers Group section....
i'll add yours today Ed...if anyone
has a KnotTyers Group Album and would
like to be on the list let me know!

email: knot_tyer"AT"knotical-arts.com

http://knotical-arts.com

...my Yahoo Photo Album is:

http://photos.yahoo.com/knot_tyer/

((check out D. Smith's Ditty Box!!))
****************************************

--- In knottyers@yahoogroups.com, knotslipstick <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> As Dan C. (knot_tyer) said last month the photo section of this
group
> is filling up.  Dan proposed a solution...  Everyone's Yahoo ID
comes
> with a photo section within their 'personal space'.  You can access
> yours by going to
>
> http://photos.yahoo.com/(your Yahoo ID)/
>
> Here is an example of my account (knotslipstick)
>
> http://photos.yahoo.com/knotslipstick/
>
> I propose that we each move your older pics to our personal space
and
> delete them from the groups album space, and then place
> a 'bookmark/link' in the links section:
>
> The links are organized alphebetically(sp?), so I propose that we
> have a standarized title so that others can find them...
>
>
> Title
>
> Photos: (your Yahoo ID)
>
> Description --
>
> A quick description of what you've got
>
> URL --
>
> http://photos.yahoo.com/(your Yahoo ID)/
>
>
>
>
> Example from my bookmark...(you can see it in the links section)
>
> Photos: knotslipstick's
> Photo's of my work & conferences I've attended
> http://photos.yahoo.com/knotslipstick/

I just got a copy of The Marlinspike Sailor. With all due respect
Winston, I have a Literature degree as well and I wasn't as
impressed with the writing as you were. Not that is was bad, but
just didn't astound me like it did you. (Then again, I like
chocolate covered espresso beans so go figure.)

The pictures however are incredible. Artwork is a better description
than drawings. I highly recomend this book for the artwork alone.

  - johnny

--- In knottyers@yahoogroups.com, "winstonsmith_99
<winstonsmith_99@y...>" <winstonsmith_99@y...> wrote:
> Hello, All. Might anyone here happen to have a copy of Smith's
*Arts
> of the Sailor*? I can't lay hold of a copy through our local
public
> libraries, and I need to ask a question about it before I buy a
copy.
> BTW, my heartfelt thanks to all of you who steered me toward
Smith's
> *The Marlinspike Sailor*. Of all the books I've read (having an
> English degree, I've read many), it is on my list of top 10
> favorites. The book is not only useful, it is also very
entertaining
> and charming. Thanks, again
>
> Winston Smith

In a message dated 4/5/2003 2:47:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
no_reply@yahoogroups.com writes:

> Example from my bookmark...(you can see it in the links section)
>
> Photos: knotslipstick's
> Photo's of my work &conferences I've attended
> http://photos.yahoo.com/knotslipstick/
>

I have conformed  ; - )

Actually, I didn't help clear out the group's files, because I didn't have
any pics up there, but I did add my first knotting project I made up myself
(combining knots on my own, instead of following all the GREAT patterns I've
found on the web).

It's in the Knot Tying album; my tatting album is still empty, although I
have a LOT more tatting items to add -- just haven't done it yet.  lol

        <A
HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/knottyers/links/">http://groups.yahoo.com/gr\
oup/knottyers/links/</A>

        Then click on:

        Photos: LoopyLacer's
        My Knot Tying and Tatting Pics.
<A HREF="http://photos.yahoo.com/LoopyLacer">      
http://photos.yahoo.com/LoopyLacer</A>

Thanx for looking, folks and hope to see you all in the chatroom this
afternoon!  If you didn't set your clocks ahead (for those of us who must),
please do so now, so you're not too late.  ; - )

Okay, now that I've nagged everyone to be on time...um...how do we get there
again?  LOL.  Dan, please send the link again.  Thanx.

Lily


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: - (  I did a Google search and here's what I found:

         <A
HREF="http://www.arguscourier.com/display/inn_update_archives/January%202003/upd\
ate07.txt">Petaluma Argus-Courier: 5 o'clock Update Archives</A>

Here's what it reads:

Tuesday, Jan. 7, 2003

Sun sets on Line & Twine

A chapter of Petaluma business history came to a sad end last Friday as the
71-year-old Sunset Line & Twine Co. fell victim to the economic downturn and
ceased operations.

"Our business has been declining in sales and revenue for over a year now,"
said general manager John Agnew. "We reached a point where we didn't see how
we could continue to operate. We didn't see any change coming in the markets
we primarily serve, which are the construction, aircraft, air maintenance and
commercial fishing industries. In light of that, we thought it made more
sense to shut down while we still had the means of meeting the company's
obligations."

Sunset Line & Twine Co., a braiding mill that was founded in 1932 in San
Francisco to produce fishing line, has been a Petaluma fixture since it moved
into the Petaluma silk mill building at the corner of Jefferson and Erwin
streets in 1940. Agnew's father Arthur began working at Sunset in 1936 and
took over the company before moving it to Petaluma.

Over the years, the company expanded its product line to include cordage for
a variety of applications -- from high-tech to the airline industry. During
the 1960s, Sunset cords were used on parachute lines for NASA's Apollo and
Gemini space missions.

"I'm awfully sorry that this has happened," said Agnew of the company's
demise. "It's an unfortunate thing. We just laid off our staff of 19
employees. A number of our employees have been here more than 10 years.

"It's the economy," he continued. "Our sales were down substantially and we
have customers such as United Airlines and TWA that have filed for
bankruptcy. It was unfortunate we were so oriented to industries that
happened to be simultaneously weak. That was our undoing.

"The Line and Twine building, which is on the National Registry of Historic
Buildings, will eventually be sold. "I just hope that whatever follows us
into the building will be something that benefits the community," Agnew
concluded.

Story of my life -- "a day late and a dollar short" as they say.  I guess if
anyone has any of this stuff, it just went up in value -- so use it
sparingly.  <sigh>

Lily



















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Dear Tony (I hope -- can't remember your name already Brain-freeze, I guess):

  <A
HREF="http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/asemery/lst?.dir=/fish+nets&.src=ph&.order=&.vi\
ew=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/asemery/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=ph%26.vie\
w=t">Yahoo! Photos - Thumbnails View</A>

Love the minnow trap and glass floater.  Your netting is great!  How long did
the dip net and the hammer net take you to finish?

Great work!

Lily


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Hi, all:

I've updated my photo album to include my first LLK, a MagLite with a Turk's
Head and Coach Whipping (I'm not happy with it; going to redo, more densely),
and my "Pricker Parker" -- a sheath I designed for my Buck Brothers Awl.

Here's the link:

         <A
HREF="http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/loopylacer/lst?.dir=/Knot+Tying&.src=ph&.order=\
&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Photos - Thumbnails View</A>

I'm still working on the Tatting album, so thanx for being patient.  : - )

Thanx for looking.  : - )

Lily
<A HREF="www.LoopyLacer.com">www.LoopyLacer.com</A>


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I tried to look at your pics but I get an error message everytime.
You might need to check that. I would like to see what you have done.

Michael


> Hi, all:
>
> I've updated my photo album to include my first LLK, a MagLite
with a Turk's
> Head and Coach Whipping (I'm not happy with it; going to redo,
more densely),
> and my "Pricker Parker" -- a sheath I designed for my Buck
Brothers Awl.
>
> Here's the link:
>
>         <A
HREF="http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/loopylacer/lst?.dir=/Knot+Tying&.src
=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Photos -
  Thumbnails View</A>
>
> I'm still working on the Tatting album, so thanx for being
patient.  : - )
>
> Thanx for looking.  : - )
>
> Lily
> <A HREF="www.LoopyLacer.com">www.LoopyLacer.com</A>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 4/7/2003 3:26:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mpearce@...
writes:

> I tried to look at your pics but I get an error message everytime.
> You might need to check that.

Oops.  Okay, try this:

<A
HREF="http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/loopylacer/lst?.dir=/&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//ph\
otos.yahoo.com/&.view=t">http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/loopylacer/lst?.dir=/&.src=p\
h&
.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/&.view=t</A>

Hope this one works.  Thanx for letting me know.

Lily


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--- In knottyers@yahoogroups.com, loopylacer@a... wrote:
> Dear Tony (I hope -- can't remember your name already Brain-freeze,
I guess):
>
>  <A
HREF="http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/asemery/lst?.dir=/fish+nets&.src=ph&.
order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/asemery/lst%3f%
26.dir=/%26.src=ph%26.view=t">Yahoo! Photos - Thumbnails View</A>
>
> Love the minnow trap and glass floater.  Your netting is great!
How long did
> the dip net and the hammer net take you to finish?
>
> Great work!
>
> Lily
>
> Lily,
   Thanks for the good words.  Both nets took about 25 hours to make.
They are reproductions of Pa. Dutch nets that were used in this area
100 years ago.  I made them a few years ago for my net making
demonstrations at a local Historical Society.
   Tony
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Lily & others,

Check to make sure the albums you create are 'publicly' viewable.

Ed

I added a netted doily to my album to show that netting can be
beautiful as well as functional.
http://photos.yahoo.com/asemery/

In a message dated 4/7/2003 4:16:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
no_reply@yahoogroups.com writes:

> http://photos.yahoo.com/asemery

Very nice, Tony.  I'm trying to get some of my tatting up into my "Tatting"
album and it will include a tatted doily, too.

Please send me an e-mail privately, LoopyLacer"AT"aol.com, as I'd like to ask
you a question about your doily.

Thanx,

Lily


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In a message dated 4/7/2003 4:16:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
no_reply@yahoogroups.com writes:

> Lily &others,
>
> Check to make sure the albums you create are 'publicly' viewable.
>
> Ed
>

Thanx for the reminder, Ed.  I had played with the albums and moved things
around and then forgot to make them public.  So sorry for all the trouble --
I'm new at this photo album stuff, if you couldn't guess <g>.  All better
now.  Please let me know if there are still any problems viewing:

        <A
HREF="http://photos.yahoo.com/LoopyLacer">http://photos.yahoo.com/LoopyLacer</A>

Note, the tatting album is still empty, for now -- had to go to the Dodger's
home opener today <wink>, so couldn't work on it.  Beautiful day -- in the
high 80's.  We lost : - ( but at lease we didn't get "snowed out" <yikes>.

Hugs, all.

Lily
LoopyLacer"AT"aol.com
<A HREF="www.LoopyLacer.com">www.LoopyLacer.com</A>


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Hi Gerald.  I've seen your website around for some time.  It's nice
to make your aquaintance and I'm glad to see you on this message
board.

Cheers,
roo
http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/knotindex.html

--- In knottyers@yahoogroups.com, Gerald L Findley <gfindley@n...>
wrote:
> I don't say much but I have been tying knots and teaching about
them
> for over 50 years and most of LEARNING about knots and rope.

Hey Gang
  I moved the pictures I had in the members area to my Yahoo Photo site
(Thanks Dan, didn't know about it till you said something). I also
added a few more things I've done.

http://photos.yahoo.com/tejay480

  I also had a chance to meet another knot tyer, Marvin aka dgtlcwby. I
invited him over to my home last Saturday night and we talked and
shared knots till the early hours of the morning (Sorry to keep ya up
so late Marv). He has done some great work, brought some of it over to
show me. He has some of his work on his web site...

http://www.geocities.com/dgtlcwby/

  Knot tyers are some of the nicest folks!

TJ

hello TJ.....i added your photo album to the "KnotTyers Group Members
Photo Albums" list on my homepage:
http://knotical-arts.com/
(30MB is a LOT of space for knot photos!!!)....some great knots!!...i
hope "richardavictor" and "ttracker882" do not mind that i added
their albums--also some great knotwork!!!...if anyone would like
their albums on the list let me know:
knot_tyer"AT"knotical-arts.com
....i also added quite a few new links to my "Knotical Links" page:
http://knotical-arts.com/links.html
...if anyone knows of any "knotical" sites let me know and i'll put
them on!!...
....also--!!CONGRATULATIONS!! on 500+ members of this Group!!!!...and
don't forget about "IGKT-NAB Knot_Chat" every Sunday
afternoon/evening!!!....there were quite a few knot tyers on last
Sunday and it is getting to be a regular chat!...the "send file" on
Yahoo works great and we were able to send/receive lots of great knot
photos, etc!.....Dan-Alaska
********************************

--- In knottyers@yahoogroups.com, "T J" <tejay480@b...> wrote:
> Hey Gang
>  I moved the pictures I had in the members area to my Yahoo Photo
site
> (Thanks Dan, didn't know about it till you said something). I also
> added a few more things I've done.
>
> http://photos.yahoo.com/tejay480
>
>  I also had a chance to meet another knot tyer, Marvin aka
dgtlcwby. I
> invited him over to my home last Saturday night and we talked and
> shared knots till the early hours of the morning (Sorry to keep ya
up
> so late Marv). He has done some great work, brought some of it over
to
> show me. He has some of his work on his web site...
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dgtlcwby/
>
>  Knot tyers are some of the nicest folks!
>
> TJ

Hey everyone, new guy here. recently became very interested in
knotting and split ply braiding(i know splitply is a different forum).
the knots i saw that really floored me and got me interested were the
knots used to tie elephant hair and giraffe hair bracelets/necklaces.
im trying to figger out how to tie these things using different
materials.  aside from being a completely beautiful piece of work(they
appear to differ slightly in construction-possibly because the
elephant hair is much thicker than the giraffe), i like the
sliding/opening/closing action the knots are made for. if nobody knows
the actual construction of these knots, are there any more well known
attractive knots that accomplish the same thing. Not really sure how
to check if this topic has been covered already. Thanking in advance
anyone that has some info for me. As for myself, my knot
education/developement stopped at the first grade. I can quickly tie
my shoes. Most of the time.

Dan,

          I meant to email you, but then forgot to do so.  Thanks for adding
me to your list.

                  Dick

At 02:06 PM 4/8/2003, you wrote:
>hope "richardavictor" and "ttracker882" do not mind that i added
>their albums--also some great knotwork!!!...if anyone would like
>Dan-Alaska
>********************************