PDDemulator.py is producing files for pairs of 1K block. The KH950i (which has a 62256 32Kx8 static ram chip in it) has 32K of memory, and writes its memory image to disk across 32 1K files. In order to manipulate them on a PC, either the app which plays with them needs to either load in all 32 files, or load a single 32K file.

Currently Steve's tools for the 930 load in a 2K file (e.g. file-01.dat) - the 930 seems to be a 2K machine - to manipulate.

I haven't yet played with your image2track program, but I'm looking forward to taking a look soon, it sounds good.

We're running a set of Steve's tools which I've modified accordingly 'to speak 950' and they are working well so far as we can tell.

I'll also document and upload what we've seen on the 950i for you guys soon.

My earlier post had an error, and the correction is as follows:

"So the 950i therefore has 32K of memory, 0x0000 through 0x7FFF, with the config block starting at 0x7EE0, and the pattern data back filling from 0x7EDF."

Kevin

On 9 April 2012 19:16, ayargh <post@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Kevin, I'm interested in the details on the memory of the KH-950i.

I don't think you'll need modifications to PDDemulator.py, unless the KH-950i uses a different floppy drive. (For the 950, it would be more appropriate to produce a file-nn.dat that holds all 32 sectors of data, but that file is only for debugging.) The knitting machine knows how to store its memory in 1K disk sectors.

Have you seen my img2track program (announced in another thread)? It makes several improvements to the process. I'm hoping to add support for the other models in the 900 series that use the same floppy disc interface.

Your info will help. Please upload one or two examples of your data to the Files area of this group. (Just file-01.dat and file-16.dat are sufficient for each track 1 pattern.)

Thanks,

--Davi

--- In kminternals@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@...> wrote:
>
> Ok. Progress made overnight.
>
> I've made some guesses at the 930 and seem to have come up with a winner (
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kentfield/6904212212/)
>
> I'm assumed that the 930 only has 2K of internal memory, mapped 0x0000 to
> 0x07FF, as per Steve's document (
> https://github.com/adafruit/knitting_machine/blob/master/docs/file-data.txt#L324).
> This I've assumed produces 2 files when run on the PDDemulator, 00.dat and
> 01.dat. The emulator then concatenates these two files as file-01.dat as
> Becky kindly pointed out I'd missed in the documentation.
>
> The 950i behave differently. I get 32 files: 00.dat through 31.dat, which
> the PDDemulator bunches up as file-01.dat through file-16.dat.
>
> file-01.dat looks like Steve's document starts - with the 'catalogue' of
> pattens, and file-16.dat ends with the 'config' at the end of Steve's
> document - the current machine state I believe.
>
> So the 950i therefore has 32K of memory, 0x0000 through 0x7FFF, with the
> config block starting at 0x76E0, and the pattern data back filling from
> 0x76DF.
>
> So Ideally I need a change to the PDDemulator.py script which can take a
> flag saying we're talking to the 950i and create a 32K large memory image.
> I don't know yet if the insertpattern.py script will accept a large file
> like this as input - we'll see I guess! The the splitfile2track.py script
> will need to be able to split out a 32K image to 16 2K files - no idea yet
> if it will do that, time to find out I guess.
>
> I don't know a lot of Python - I do C, but I'll take a look, unless anyone
> jumps in and offers....
>
> Some of the bytes in the 'config' area (0x06e0 to 0x07ff on the 930) which
> Steve says are always the same are different on the 950i - I'd guess at
> least one of these says which machine this is, and maybe we could work the
> tools to autodetect this from the file if we can work this out.
>
> I get to play with my Aunt's KH-970i next weekend, maybe I can learn some
> more from this, and also a PPD pattern programming device, which should be
> able to create a disk image for each of the machines in theory, so perhaps
> can learn more from this.
>
> I'll keep you updated.
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>

> On 5 April 2012 21:34, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@...> wrote:
>
> > Cool, thanks.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I'd clearly missed that, but deduced it from what I saw.
> >
> > When we try to knit the pattern we create, we get a blank pattern out. I
> > think the 950i stores everything in a slightly different format to the 930,
> > so I guess I'm testing the water here to find out if I'm going over new
> > ground... If so I'll dive in!
> >
> > How many nn.dat files do you get, and how many file-nn.dat flies? We're
> > getting file-01.dat through 16 or 'track1' from the machine, 17-32 for
> > track2 and 00.dat to 31.dat as track 1 and 32.dat through 63.dat as track
> > 2, but we also get 64.dat through 79.dat
> >
> > The latter group seem blank, but those in file-16.dat seem to contain
> > 0x06e0 to 0x07ff data containing the machine setup data - though with
> > differences to Steve's document.
> >
> > Worth me detailing it then?
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >

> > On 5 Apr 2012, at 20:47, Becky Stern <becky.stern@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > I can't help with 950-specific info, but the "file-01.dat" thing is
> > documented in the tutorial on adafruit:
> >
> > http://ladyada.net/learn/electroknit/backup.html (last part) &
> > http://ladyada.net/learn/electroknit/dumppatt.html
> >
> > It's a file that contains all the patterns, and it's made by the emulator,
> > not the knitting machine. Hope that helps a little!
> >
> > Becky
> >

> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Kevin <k.blain@...> wrote:
> >
> >> **

> >>
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Let me introduce myself briefly, I'm an embedded electronic engineer by
> >> trade, with a girlfriend who has a knitting passion and now a KH950i.
> >>
> >> So I've been playing with the excellent work by Becky, Steve, John, and
> >> others to try and get the thing to talk to me.
> >>
> >> Where I'm at:
> >>
> >> Reading and Writing disk images to the laptop seems to be going without
> >> much pain, the PDDemulate python script seems to do its job just fine.
> >>
> >> Has anyone actually got it working properly with the 950i?
> >>
> >> So far, there seems to be differences in the file contents to what I've
> >> been reading on the net, which is mostly 930 based information.
> >>
> >> For example, the stucture of the 00.dat file looks like it follows the
> >> structure mentioned here:

> >> https://github.com/adafruit/knitting_machine/blob/master/docs/file-data.txt#L324but moving on through the doc, where it looks at addresses 0x06e0 onwards,

> >> I don't see this, tough I see similar data in the 63.dat file
> >>
> >> I also note that as well as having 00.dat and 01.dat, the contents of the
> >> two together appear in file-01.dat - this doesn't seem to be documented
> >> anywhere, is this unique to the 950i or has this info just missed
> >> documenting up till now?
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

 

I've modified img2track to handle a 32K memory, and write 32 sectors of data files. I'd like to take a look at sample data from the KH-950i to see if there are compatibility issues before I release this version. Looking forward to having it tested on various models.

I think the 940, 950i, 965i, and 970 all use a 32K memory. (They can store a pattern as large as 200 stitches by 998 rows.) Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks,

--Davi

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@...> wrote:

PDDemulator.py is producing files for pairs of 1K block. The KH950i (which has a 62256 32Kx8 static ram chip in it) has 32K of memory, and writes its memory image to disk across 32 1K files. In order to manipulate them on a PC, either the app which plays with them needs to either load in all 32 files, or load a single 32K file.

Currently Steve's tools for the 930 load in a 2K file (e.g. file-01.dat) - the 930 seems to be a 2K machine - to manipulate.

I haven't yet played with your image2track program, but I'm looking forward to taking a look soon, it sounds good.

We're running a set of Steve's tools which I've modified accordingly 'to speak 950' and they are working well so far as we can tell.

I'll also document and upload what we've seen on the 950i for you guys soon.

My earlier post had an error, and the correction is as follows:

"So the 950i therefore has 32K of memory, 0x0000 through 0x7FFF, with the config block starting at 0x7EE0, and the pattern data back filling from 0x7EDF."

Kevin

On 9 April 2012 19:16, ayargh <post@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Kevin, I'm interested in the details on the memory of the KH-950i.

I don't think you'll need modifications to PDDemulator.py, unless the KH-950i uses a different floppy drive. (For the 950, it would be more appropriate to produce a file-nn.dat that holds all 32 sectors of data, but that file is only for debugging.) The knitting machine knows how to store its memory in 1K disk sectors.

Have you seen my img2track program (announced in another thread)? It makes several improvements to the process. I'm hoping to add support for the other models in the 900 series that use the same floppy disc interface.

Your info will help. Please upload one or two examples of your data to the Files area of this group. (Just file-01.dat and file-16.dat are sufficient for each track 1 pattern.)

Thanks,

--Davi

--- In kminternals@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@...> wrote:
>
> Ok. Progress made overnight.
>
> I've made some guesses at the 930 and seem to have come up with a winner (
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kentfield/6904212212/)
>
> I'm assumed that the 930 only has 2K of internal memory, mapped 0x0000 to
> 0x07FF, as per Steve's document (
> https://github.com/adafruit/knitting_machine/blob/master/docs/file-data.txt#L324).
> This I've assumed produces 2 files when run on the PDDemulator, 00.dat and
> 01.dat. The emulator then concatenates these two files as file-01.dat as
> Becky kindly pointed out I'd missed in the documentation.
>
> The 950i behave differently. I get 32 files: 00.dat through 31.dat, which
> the PDDemulator bunches up as file-01.dat through file-16.dat.
>
> file-01.dat looks like Steve's document starts - with the 'catalogue' of
> pattens, and file-16.dat ends with the 'config' at the end of Steve's
> document - the current machine state I believe.
>
> So the 950i therefore has 32K of memory, 0x0000 through 0x7FFF, with the
> config block starting at 0x76E0, and the pattern data back filling from
> 0x76DF.
>
> So Ideally I need a change to the PDDemulator.py script which can take a
> flag saying we're talking to the 950i and create a 32K large memory image.
> I don't know yet if the insertpattern.py script will accept a large file
> like this as input - we'll see I guess! The the splitfile2track.py script
> will need to be able to split out a 32K image to 16 2K files - no idea yet
> if it will do that, time to find out I guess.
>
> I don't know a lot of Python - I do C, but I'll take a look, unless anyone
> jumps in and offers....
>
> Some of the bytes in the 'config' area (0x06e0 to 0x07ff on the 930) which
> Steve says are always the same are different on the 950i - I'd guess at
> least one of these says which machine this is, and maybe we could work the
> tools to autodetect this from the file if we can work this out.
>
> I get to play with my Aunt's KH-970i next weekend, maybe I can learn some
> more from this, and also a PPD pattern programming device, which should be
> able to create a disk image for each of the machines in theory, so perhaps
> can learn more from this.
>
> I'll keep you updated.
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>

> On 5 April 2012 21:34, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@...> wrote:
>
> > Cool, thanks.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I'd clearly missed that, but deduced it from what I saw.
> >
> > When we try to knit the pattern we create, we get a blank pattern out. I
> > think the 950i stores everything in a slightly different format to the 930,
> > so I guess I'm testing the water here to find out if I'm going over new
> > ground... If so I'll dive in!
> >
> > How many nn.dat files do you get, and how many file-nn.dat flies? We're
> > getting file-01.dat through 16 or 'track1' from the machine, 17-32 for
> > track2 and 00.dat to 31.dat as track 1 and 32.dat through 63.dat as track
> > 2, but we also get 64.dat through 79.dat
> >
> > The latter group seem blank, but those in file-16.dat seem to contain
> > 0x06e0 to 0x07ff data containing the machine setup data - though with
> > differences to Steve's document.
> >
> > Worth me detailing it then?
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >

> > On 5 Apr 2012, at 20:47, Becky Stern <becky.stern@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > I can't help with 950-specific info, but the "file-01.dat" thing is
> > documented in the tutorial on adafruit:
> >
> > http://ladyada.net/learn/electroknit/backup.html (last part) &
> > http://ladyada.net/learn/electroknit/dumppatt.html
> >
> > It's a file that contains all the patterns, and it's made by the emulator,
> > not the knitting machine. Hope that helps a little!
> >
> > Becky
> >

> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Kevin <k.blain@...> wrote:
> >
> >> **

> >>
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Let me introduce myself briefly, I'm an embedded electronic engineer by
> >> trade, with a girlfriend who has a knitting passion and now a KH950i.
> >>
> >> So I've been playing with the excellent work by Becky, Steve, John, and
> >> others to try and get the thing to talk to me.
> >>
> >> Where I'm at:
> >>
> >> Reading and Writing disk images to the laptop seems to be going without
> >> much pain, the PDDemulate python script seems to do its job just fine.
> >>
> >> Has anyone actually got it working properly with the 950i?
> >>
> >> So far, there seems to be differences in the file contents to what I've
> >> been reading on the net, which is mostly 930 based information.
> >>
> >> For example, the stucture of the 00.dat file looks like it follows the
> >> structure mentioned here:

> >> https://github.com/adafruit/knitting_machine/blob/master/docs/file-data.txt#L324but moving on through the doc, where it looks at addresses 0x06e0 onwards,

> >> I don't see this, tough I see similar data in the 63.dat file
> >>
> >> I also note that as well as having 00.dat and 01.dat, the contents of the
> >> two together appear in file-01.dat - this doesn't seem to be documented
> >> anywhere, is this unique to the 950i or has this info just missed
> >> documenting up till now?
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

 

Thanks Kevin. Interesting, your data has some values I have not seen in the KH-930 test data. How did you produce these files?

What I'm looking for is data stored with a 552 command into disc sectors using the emulator. Can you try the following?

Clear the KM with 888, and power off, then on. Do a 552 store command, then send us sectors 00.dat and 31.dat (the rest should be blank).

Clear with 888 again, and use INPUT to give it the dimensions of a pattern (no need to enter data pixels of the pattern). Store to (emulated) disc again, and send us the same first and last sectors. (Maybe you did this to generate the files you sent?)

Knowing what values are stored for blank patterns, I hope to make img2track generate valid data for the KH-950i.

If anyone out there can do this for other models (940, 965i, 970), that would be useful too.

Glad you were able to confirm that your pattern data fills backwards from 0x7EDF. That is encouragingly similar to a KH-930 (just with a larger memory).

Thanks,

--Davi

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Kevin <kevin.blain@...> wrote:

4 files uploaded.

Kevin

--- In kminternals@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@...> wrote:
>

> Cool - sounds good. I'll try and remember to upload some memory images this
> evening.
>
> Yes: 32K on the 950i front, and yes: 200 wide by 998 rows. My partner
> created an image that was 4 pattern cards (each card is 60x150) wide and 7
> high, and the resultant file produced was 200 x 998.
>
> Come the weekend I should have my hands on a PPD which can create pattern
> data for any of the machines, so in theory should be able to generate an
> appropriate collection of data for each of those machines you list.
>
> From what I remember, using the PPD is akin to water torture when it comes
> to actually creating patterns
>
> Kevin
>

> On 11 April 2012 08:44, Davi Post <post@...> wrote:
>
> > **

> >
> >
> > I've modified img2track to handle a 32K memory, and write 32 sectors of
> > data files. I'd like to take a look at sample data from the KH-950i to see
> > if there are compatibility issues before I release this version. Looking
> > forward to having it tested on various models.
> >
> > I think the 940, 950i, 965i, and 970 all use a 32K memory. (They can store
> > a pattern as large as 200 stitches by 998 rows.) Can anyone confirm this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --Davi
> >
> >

> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@...>wrote:

> >
> >>
> >>
> >> PDDemulator.py is producing files for pairs of 1K block. The KH950i
> >> (which has a 62256 32Kx8 static ram chip in it) has 32K of memory, and
> >> writes its memory image to disk across 32 1K files. In order to manipulate
> >> them on a PC, either the app which plays with them needs to either load in
> >> all 32 files, or load a single 32K file.
> >>
> >> Currently Steve's tools for the 930 load in a 2K file (e.g. file-01.dat)
> >> - the 930 seems to be a 2K machine - to manipulate.
> >>
> >> I haven't yet played with your image2track program, but I'm looking
> >> forward to taking a look soon, it sounds good.
> >>
> >> We're running a set of Steve's tools which I've modified accordingly 'to
> >> speak 950' and they are working well so far as we can tell.
> >>
> >> I'll also document and upload what we've seen on the 950i for you guys
> >> soon.
> >>
> >> My earlier post had an error, and the correction is as follows:
> >>
> >> "So the 950i therefore has 32K of memory, 0x0000 through 0x7FFF, with the config
> >> block starting at 0x7EE0, and the pattern data back filling from 0x7EDF."
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >>

> >> On 9 April 2012 19:16, ayargh <post@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>> **

> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Kevin, I'm interested in the details on the memory of the KH-950i.
> >>>
> >>> I don't think you'll need modifications to PDDemulator.py, unless the
> >>> KH-950i uses a different floppy drive. (For the 950, it would be more
> >>> appropriate to produce a file-nn.dat that holds all 32 sectors of data, but
> >>> that file is only for debugging.) The knitting machine knows how to store
> >>> its memory in 1K disk sectors.
> >>>
> >>> Have you seen my img2track program (announced in another thread)? It
> >>> makes several improvements to the process. I'm hoping to add support for
> >>> the other models in the 900 series that use the same floppy disc interface.
> >>>
> >>> Your info will help. Please upload one or two examples of your data to
> >>> the Files area of this group. (Just file-01.dat and file-16.dat are
> >>> sufficient for each track 1 pattern.)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> --Davi
> >>>
> >>>

> >>> --- In kminternals@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Ok. Progress made overnight.
> >>> >
> >>> > I've made some guesses at the 930 and seem to have come up with a
> >>> winner (
> >>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kentfield/6904212212/)
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm assumed that the 930 only has 2K of internal memory, mapped 0x0000
> >>> to
> >>> > 0x07FF, as per Steve's document (
> >>> >
> >>> https://github.com/adafruit/knitting_machine/blob/master/docs/file-data.txt#L324
> >>> ).
> >>> > This I've assumed produces 2 files when run on the PDDemulator, 00.dat
> >>> and
> >>> > 01.dat. The emulator then concatenates these two files as file-01.dat
> >>> as
> >>> > Becky kindly pointed out I'd missed in the documentation.
> >>> >
> >>> > The 950i behave differently. I get 32 files: 00.dat through 31.dat,
> >>> which
> >>> > the PDDemulator bunches up as file-01.dat through file-16.dat.
> >>> >
> >>> > file-01.dat looks like Steve's document starts - with the 'catalogue'
> >>> of
> >>> > pattens, and file-16.dat ends with the 'config' at the end of Steve's
> >>> > document - the current machine state I believe.
> >>> >
> >>> > So the 950i therefore has 32K of memory, 0x0000 through 0x7FFF, with
> >>> the
> >>> > config block starting at 0x76E0, and the pattern data back filling from
> >>> > 0x76DF.
> >>> >
> >>> > So Ideally I need a change to the PDDemulator.py script which can take
> >>> a
> >>> > flag saying we're talking to the 950i and create a 32K large memory
> >>> image.
> >>> > I don't know yet if the insertpattern.py script will accept a large
> >>> file
> >>> > like this as input - we'll see I guess! The the splitfile2track.py
> >>> script
> >>> > will need to be able to split out a 32K image to 16 2K files - no idea
> >>> yet
> >>> > if it will do that, time to find out I guess.
> >>> >
> >>> > I don't know a lot of Python - I do C, but I'll take a look, unless
> >>> anyone
> >>> > jumps in and offers....
> >>> >
> >>> > Some of the bytes in the 'config' area (0x06e0 to 0x07ff on the 930)
> >>> which
> >>> > Steve says are always the same are different on the 950i - I'd guess at
> >>> > least one of these says which machine this is, and maybe we could work
> >>> the
> >>> > tools to autodetect this from the file if we can work this out.
> >>> >
> >>> > I get to play with my Aunt's KH-970i next weekend, maybe I can learn
> >>> some
> >>> > more from this, and also a PPD pattern programming device, which
> >>> should be
> >>> > able to create a disk image for each of the machines in theory, so
> >>> perhaps
> >>> > can learn more from this.
> >>> >
> >>> > I'll keep you updated.
> >>> >
> >>> > Kevin
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >

> >>> > On 5 April 2012 21:34, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > Cool, thanks.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Yeah, I'd clearly missed that, but deduced it from what I saw.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > When we try to knit the pattern we create, we get a blank pattern
> >>> out. I
> >>> > > think the 950i stores everything in a slightly different format to
> >>> the 930,
> >>> > > so I guess I'm testing the water here to find out if I'm going over
> >>> new
> >>> > > ground... If so I'll dive in!
> >>> > >
> >>> > > How many nn.dat files do you get, and how many file-nn.dat flies?
> >>> We're
> >>> > > getting file-01.dat through 16 or 'track1' from the machine, 17-32
> >>> for
> >>> > > track2 and 00.dat to 31.dat as track 1 and 32.dat through 63.dat as
> >>> track
> >>> > > 2, but we also get 64.dat through 79.dat
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The latter group seem blank, but those in file-16.dat seem to contain
> >>> > > 0x06e0 to 0x07ff data containing the machine setup data - though with
> >>> > > differences to Steve's document.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Worth me detailing it then?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Kevin
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >

> >>> > > On 5 Apr 2012, at 20:47, Becky Stern <becky.stern@> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Hi Kevin,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I can't help with 950-specific info, but the "file-01.dat" thing is
> >>> > > documented in the tutorial on adafruit:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > http://ladyada.net/learn/electroknit/backup.html (last part) &
> >>> > > http://ladyada.net/learn/electroknit/dumppatt.html
> >>> > >
> >>> > > It's a file that contains all the patterns, and it's made by the
> >>> emulator,
> >>> > > not the knitting machine. Hope that helps a little!
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Becky
> >>> > >

> >>> > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Kevin <k.blain@> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> **
> >>>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Hi
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Let me introduce myself briefly, I'm an embedded electronic
> >>> engineer by
> >>> > >> trade, with a girlfriend who has a knitting passion and now a
> >>> KH950i.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> So I've been playing with the excellent work by Becky, Steve, John,
> >>> and
> >>> > >> others to try and get the thing to talk to me.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Where I'm at:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Reading and Writing disk images to the laptop seems to be going
> >>> without
> >>> > >> much pain, the PDDemulate python script seems to do its job just
> >>> fine.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Has anyone actually got it working properly with the 950i?
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> So far, there seems to be differences in the file contents to what
> >>> I've
> >>> > >> been reading on the net, which is mostly 930 based information.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> For example, the stucture of the 00.dat file looks like it follows
> >>> the
> >>> > >> structure mentioned here:
> >>> > >>

> >>> https://github.com/adafruit/knitting_machine/blob/master/docs/file-data.txt#L324butmoving on through the doc, where it looks at addresses 0x06e0 onwards,

> >>>
> >>> > >> I don't see this, tough I see similar data in the 63.dat file
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> I also note that as well as having 00.dat and 01.dat, the contents
> >>> of the
> >>> > >> two together appear in file-01.dat - this doesn't seem to be
> >>> documented
> >>> > >> anywhere, is this unique to the 950i or has this info just missed
> >>> > >> documenting up till now?
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Kevin
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

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There's no input button on the 950i.

It's got a mylar sheet reader; it 'scans' in pattens on sheets which are drawn at 60 stitches wide by 150 rows high. You can either read into memory, or knit directly from the sheet.

Other than that, that should be what we did - what's not making sense?

Kevin

On 12 April 2012 05:48, Davi Post <post@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Kevin. Interesting, your data has some values I have not seen in the KH-930 test data. How did you produce these files?

What I'm looking for is data stored with a 552 command into disc sectors using the emulator. Can you try the following?

Clear the KM with 888, and power off, then on. Do a 552 store command, then send us sectors 00.dat and 31.dat (the rest should be blank).

Clear with 888 again, and use INPUT to give it the dimensions of a pattern (no need to enter data pixels of the pattern). Store to (emulated) disc again, and send us the same first and last sectors. (Maybe you did this to generate the files you sent?)

Knowing what values are stored for blank patterns, I hope to make img2track generate valid data for the KH-950i.

If anyone out there can do this for other models (940, 965i, 970), that would be useful too.

Glad you were able to confirm that your pattern data fills backwards from 0x7EDF. That is encouragingly similar to a KH-930 (just with a larger memory).

Thanks,

--Davi

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Kevin <kevin.blain@...> wrote:

4 files uploaded.

Kevin

--- In kminternals@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@...> wrote:
>

> Cool - sounds good. I'll try and remember to upload some memory images this
> evening.
>
> Yes: 32K on the 950i front, and yes: 200 wide by 998 rows. My partner
> created an image that was 4 pattern cards (each card is 60x150) wide and 7
> high, and the resultant file produced was 200 x 998.
>
> Come the weekend I should have my hands on a PPD which can create pattern
> data for any of the machines, so in theory should be able to generate an
> appropriate collection of data for each of those machines you list.
>
> From what I remember, using the PPD is akin to water torture when it comes
> to actually creating patterns
>
> Kevin
>

> On 11 April 2012 08:44, Davi Post <post@...> wrote:
>
> > **

> >
> >
> > I've modified img2track to handle a 32K memory, and write 32 sectors of
> > data files. I'd like to take a look at sample data from the KH-950i to see
> > if there are compatibility issues before I release this version. Looking
> > forward to having it tested on various models.
> >
> > I think the 940, 950i, 965i, and 970 all use a 32K memory. (They can store
> > a pattern as large as 200 stitches by 998 rows.) Can anyone confirm this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --Davi
> >
> >

> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@...>wrote:

> >
> >>
> >>
> >> PDDemulator.py is producing files for pairs of 1K block. The KH950i
> >> (which has a 62256 32Kx8 static ram chip in it) has 32K of memory, and
> >> writes its memory image to disk across 32 1K files. In order to manipulate
> >> them on a PC, either the app which plays with them needs to either load in
> >> all 32 files, or load a single 32K file.
> >>
> >> Currently Steve's tools for the 930 load in a 2K file (e.g. file-01.dat)
> >> - the 930 seems to be a 2K machine - to manipulate.
> >>
> >> I haven't yet played with your image2track program, but I'm looking
> >> forward to taking a look soon, it sounds good.
> >>
> >> We're running a set of Steve's tools which I've modified accordingly 'to
> >> speak 950' and they are working well so far as we can tell.
> >>
> >> I'll also document and upload what we've seen on the 950i for you guys
> >> soon.
> >>
> >> My earlier post had an error, and the correction is as follows:
> >>
> >> "So the 950i therefore has 32K of memory, 0x0000 through 0x7FFF, with the config
> >> block starting at 0x7EE0, and the pattern data back filling from 0x7EDF."
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >>

> >> On 9 April 2012 19:16, ayargh <post@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>> **

> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Kevin, I'm interested in the details on the memory of the KH-950i.
> >>>
> >>> I don't think you'll need modifications to PDDemulator.py, unless the
> >>> KH-950i uses a different floppy drive. (For the 950, it would be more
> >>> appropriate to produce a file-nn.dat that holds all 32 sectors of data, but
> >>> that file is only for debugging.) The knitting machine knows how to store
> >>> its memory in 1K disk sectors.
> >>>
> >>> Have you seen my img2track program (announced in another thread)? It
> >>> makes several improvements to the process. I'm hoping to add support for
> >>> the other models in the 900 series that use the same floppy disc interface.
> >>>
> >>> Your info will help. Please upload one or two examples of your data to
> >>> the Files area of this group. (Just file-01.dat and file-16.dat are
> >>> sufficient for each track 1 pattern.)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> --Davi
> >>>
> >>>

> >>> --- In kminternals@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Ok. Progress made overnight.
> >>> >
> >>> > I've made some guesses at the 930 and seem to have come up with a
> >>> winner (
> >>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kentfield/6904212212/)
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm assumed that the 930 only has 2K of internal memory, mapped 0x0000
> >>> to
> >>> > 0x07FF, as per Steve's document (
> >>> >
> >>> https://github.com/adafruit/knitting_machine/blob/master/docs/file-data.txt#L324
> >>> ).
> >>> > This I've assumed produces 2 files when run on the PDDemulator, 00.dat
> >>> and
> >>> > 01.dat. The emulator then concatenates these two files as file-01.dat
> >>> as
> >>> > Becky kindly pointed out I'd missed in the documentation.
> >>> >
> >>> > The 950i behave differently. I get 32 files: 00.dat through 31.dat,
> >>> which
> >>> > the PDDemulator bunches up as file-01.dat through file-16.dat.
> >>> >
> >>> > file-01.dat looks like Steve's document starts - with the 'catalogue'
> >>> of
> >>> > pattens, and file-16.dat ends with the 'config' at the end of Steve's
> >>> > document - the current machine state I believe.
> >>> >
> >>> > So the 950i therefore has 32K of memory, 0x0000 through 0x7FFF, with
> >>> the
> >>> > config block starting at 0x76E0, and the pattern data back filling from
> >>> > 0x76DF.
> >>> >
> >>> > So Ideally I need a change to the PDDemulator.py script which can take
> >>> a
> >>> > flag saying we're talking to the 950i and create a 32K large memory
> >>> image.
> >>> > I don't know yet if the insertpattern.py script will accept a large
> >>> file
> >>> > like this as input - we'll see I guess! The the splitfile2track.py
> >>> script
> >>> > will need to be able to split out a 32K image to 16 2K files - no idea
> >>> yet
> >>> > if it will do that, time to find out I guess.
> >>> >
> >>> > I don't know a lot of Python - I do C, but I'll take a look, unless
> >>> anyone
> >>> > jumps in and offers....
> >>> >
> >>> > Some of the bytes in the 'config' area (0x06e0 to 0x07ff on the 930)
> >>> which
> >>> > Steve says are always the same are different on the 950i - I'd guess at
> >>> > least one of these says which machine this is, and maybe we could work
> >>> the
> >>> > tools to autodetect this from the file if we can work this out.
> >>> >
> >>> > I get to play with my Aunt's KH-970i next weekend, maybe I can learn
> >>> some
> >>> > more from this, and also a PPD pattern programming device, which
> >>> should be
> >>> > able to create a disk image for each of the machines in theory, so
> >>> perhaps
> >>> > can learn more from this.
> >>> >
> >>> > I'll keep you updated.
> >>> >
> >>> > Kevin
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >

> >>> > On 5 April 2012 21:34, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > Cool, thanks.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Yeah, I'd clearly missed that, but deduced it from what I saw.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > When we try to knit the pattern we create, we get a blank pattern
> >>> out. I
> >>> > > think the 950i stores everything in a slightly different format to
> >>> the 930,
> >>> > > so I guess I'm testing the water here to find out if I'm going over
> >>> new
> >>> > > ground... If so I'll dive in!
> >>> > >
> >>> > > How many nn.dat files do you get, and how many file-nn.dat flies?
> >>> We're
> >>> > > getting file-01.dat through 16 or 'track1' from the machine, 17-32
> >>> for
> >>> > > track2 and 00.dat to 31.dat as track 1 and 32.dat through 63.dat as
> >>> track
> >>> > > 2, but we also get 64.dat through 79.dat
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The latter group seem blank, but those in file-16.dat seem to contain
> >>> > > 0x06e0 to 0x07ff data containing the machine setup data - though with
> >>> > > differences to Steve's document.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Worth me detailing it then?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Kevin
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >

> >>> > > On 5 Apr 2012, at 20:47, Becky Stern <becky.stern@> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Hi Kevin,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I can't help with 950-specific info, but the "file-01.dat" thing is
> >>> > > documented in the tutorial on adafruit:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > http://ladyada.net/learn/electroknit/backup.html (last part) &
> >>> > > http://ladyada.net/learn/electroknit/dumppatt.html
> >>> > >
> >>> > > It's a file that contains all the patterns, and it's made by the
> >>> emulator,
> >>> > > not the knitting machine. Hope that helps a little!
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Becky
> >>> > >

> >>> > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Kevin <k.blain@> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> **
> >>>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Hi
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Let me introduce myself briefly, I'm an embedded electronic
> >>> engineer by
> >>> > >> trade, with a girlfriend who has a knitting passion and now a
> >>> KH950i.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> So I've been playing with the excellent work by Becky, Steve, John,
> >>> and
> >>> > >> others to try and get the thing to talk to me.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Where I'm at:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Reading and Writing disk images to the laptop seems to be going
> >>> without
> >>> > >> much pain, the PDDemulate python script seems to do its job just
> >>> fine.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Has anyone actually got it working properly with the 950i?
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> So far, there seems to be differences in the file contents to what
> >>> I've
> >>> > >> been reading on the net, which is mostly 930 based information.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> For example, the stucture of the 00.dat file looks like it follows
> >>> the
> >>> > >> structure mentioned here:
> >>> > >>

> >>> https://github.com/adafruit/knitting_machine/blob/master/docs/file-data.txt#L324butmoving on through the doc, where it looks at addresses 0x06e0 onwards,

> >>>
> >>> > >> I don't see this, tough I see similar data in the 63.dat file
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> I also note that as well as having 00.dat and 01.dat, the contents
> >>> of the
> >>> > >> two together appear in file-01.dat - this doesn't seem to be
> >>> documented
> >>> > >> anywhere, is this unique to the 950i or has this info just missed
> >>> > >> documenting up till now?
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Kevin
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Hi all,
Have been working on trying to hack my Brother 930 knitting machine. We had a spare old computer sitting around our house, which I reformatted and did a fresh install of XP on it especially (I did this since MProg was Windows only so I thought that was the best option).

Anyway, I have made it as far as trying to run PDDemulate.py to back up the knitting machine memory. Here is where I'm getting stuck (see image)

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q176/bartacres/brothercommandprompt.jpg

The connection with the machine is clearly active as the command prompt text progresses when I press buttons on the machine (like 502 or whatever it was)... it creates an img folder in my brother folder, and things show up in there, but no file-01.dat and the other files appear to be blank.

Any help or suggestions much appreciated!!

 

So I've been working on talking to the KH-950i machine using software based on Steve's package for the KH-930 and things are looking good.

Over the weekend, I opened up the spectrum somewhat, but adding on a few other devices to the table. As well as picking up a FB-100 floppy drive, I was able to pick up a PPD-110 and a couple of cartridges, including one for multi colour patterns. I also spent a bit of time playing with a KH-970 machine.

As it stands, using the PPD device, I can create images on the cartridge for the following machines:

KH930, KH940, KH950i, KH270

and transfer images from the PPD to the machine - the PPD emulates a floppy drive at this point.

I also know that the image created for the 950i works happily on the 965, 965i and 970.

However, the PPD uses at least one other command (M) which is not implemented in the emulator which Steve wrote, so I'm working on adding this is so that I can save directly from PPD to emulator.

Connecting to the 970 yielded it's own problems, and I didn't have any test gear with me, so was unable to work out exactly why, but the 970 was unable to detect the emulator, so I'm thinking there is a handshaking line or maybe just voltage levels which threw me off - will investigate!

The multicolour cartridge is quite interesting (Copyright 1994), as it allows a 4 colour pattern to be designed, with a limitation of 3 colours per row.

The multicolour cartridge works on 1 of 4 different modes:

1) KH940, 950i, 270
2) KH930
3) KH900
4) KH965, 965i

I believe this works by using 3 memory rows per knitted row, 1 for each colour allowed on that particular row. The maximum pattern size drops from 998 rows to 332 rows, which stacks up.

I don't yet know if there's any information about which 3 colours are used on each row, but I have the manual, so I guess I should take a read.

Interesting times....

Kevin

 

As a rather silent lurker to all the discussion 

I thought I might jump in. 

I could be wrong, but as a long time machine knitter, 

I would throw out the idea that most of us don't care so much 

About 3 or more colors in a row. There are the highly motivated

Double jacquard knitters out there but what I think most of us would like 

To see is a system that works easily for fair isle 

Or 2 color knitting. This would Also work as knits and purls with the g carriage. Personally I'd be ecstatic to see my computers and knitting

Machine converse nicely, smoothly and inexpensively on that topic alone. 

Pegi

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Steve Conklin <steve@...> wrote:

 

This is all really great information! I think it's time to create some tables showing which machines have compatible formats and what the other differences are.

I have suspected that the multi-color programming uses some of the memory locations which are unknown so far, so maybe we have a way to expand that knowledge.

Also, the fact that the 970 doesn't work like the rest may mean that Cobi's machine isn't broken after all.

Please feel free to create or modify the wiki pages on antitronics with information that you discover. Here is the base page for knitting machine info:

http://www.antitronics.com/wiki/index.php?title=Electroknit_Technical_Information

Steve

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Kevin <kevin.blain@...> wrote:

 

So I've been working on talking to the KH-950i machine using software based on Steve's package for the KH-930 and things are looking good.

Over the weekend, I opened up the spectrum somewhat, but adding on a few other devices to the table. As well as picking up a FB-100 floppy drive, I was able to pick up a PPD-110 and a couple of cartridges, including one for multi colour patterns. I also spent a bit of time playing with a KH-970 machine.

As it stands, using the PPD device, I can create images on the cartridge for the following machines:

KH930, KH940, KH950i, KH270

and transfer images from the PPD to the machine - the PPD emulates a floppy drive at this point.

I also know that the image created for the 950i works happily on the 965, 965i and 970.

However, the PPD uses at least one other command (M) which is not implemented in the emulator which Steve wrote, so I'm working on adding this is so that I can save directly from PPD to emulator.

Connecting to the 970 yielded it's own problems, and I didn't have any test gear with me, so was unable to work out exactly why, but the 970 was unable to detect the emulator, so I'm thinking there is a handshaking line or maybe just voltage levels which threw me off - will investigate!

The multicolour cartridge is quite interesting (Copyright 1994), as it allows a 4 colour pattern to be designed, with a limitation of 3 colours per row.

The multicolour cartridge works on 1 of 4 different modes:

1) KH940, 950i, 270
2) KH930
3) KH900
4) KH965, 965i

I believe this works by using 3 memory rows per knitted row, 1 for each colour allowed on that particular row. The maximum pattern size drops from 998 rows to 332 rows, which stacks up.

I don't yet know if there's any information about which 3 colours are used on each row, but I have the manual, so I guess I should take a read.

Interesting times....

Kevin

 

Sound good!

Let me know when I can get that all

wrapped up in a nice hardware/software package!

Pegi

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kevin Blain <kevin.blain@...> wrote:

 

Totally agree!

Among all that stuff I mentioned in my other email, I (we) also picked up a ribber and a garter carriage (slightly faulty, but easily fixable) from my Aunt that weekend, and one thing I think I owe her in return is an 'Aunty friendly' pattern loader from her PC to her machine - the 970. Once I've got the 970 talking to me, I'm quite tempted to re-spin the emulator system into a .Net c# project, which I'm more comfortable with than python, and will lead me to designing a clean UI for her to use. It's that or learn python...

Quite right, in that the two colour fairisle, and g-carraige use exactly the same pattern, the g-carriage having the advantage of not giving all those dangling floats on the back.

This has to be step 1, as it's pretty much understood now. Multi colour needs to be done in time for my Christmas jumper this year though....

My personal timeline:

Then there's the double-bed jacquard tequnique, as you say! That'll be fun, but that's way down the list here....

Kevin

On 19 April 2012 13:39, M.D. <msflosser@...> wrote:

 

As a rather silent lurker to all the discussion 

I thought I might jump in. 

I could be wrong, but as a long time machine knitter, 

I would throw out the idea that most of us don't care so much 

About 3 or more colors in a row. There are the highly motivated

Double jacquard knitters out there but what I think most of us would like 

To see is a system that works easily for fair isle 

Or 2 color knitting. This would Also work as knits and purls with the g carriage. Personally I'd be ecstatic to see my computers and knitting

Machine converse nicely, smoothly and inexpensively on that topic alone. 

Pegi

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Steve Conklin <steve@...> wrote:

 

This is all really great information! I think it's time to create some tables showing which machines have compatible formats and what the other differences are.

I have suspected that the multi-color programming uses some of the memory locations which are unknown so far, so maybe we have a way to expand that knowledge.

Also, the fact that the 970 doesn't work like the rest may mean that Cobi's machine isn't broken after all.

Please feel free to create or modify the wiki pages on antitronics with information that you discover. Here is the base page for knitting machine info:

http://www.antitronics.com/wiki/index.php?title=Electroknit_Technical_Information

Steve

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Kevin <kevin.blain@...> wrote:

 

So I've been working on talking to the KH-950i machine using software based on Steve's package for the KH-930 and things are looking good.

Over the weekend, I opened up the spectrum somewhat, but adding on a few other devices to the table. As well as picking up a FB-100 floppy drive, I was able to pick up a PPD-110 and a couple of cartridges, including one for multi colour patterns. I also spent a bit of time playing with a KH-970 machine.

As it stands, using the PPD device, I can create images on the cartridge for the following machines:

KH930, KH940, KH950i, KH270

and transfer images from the PPD to the machine - the PPD emulates a floppy drive at this point.

I also know that the image created for the 950i works happily on the 965, 965i and 970.

However, the PPD uses at least one other command (M) which is not implemented in the emulator which Steve wrote, so I'm working on adding this is so that I can save directly from PPD to emulator.

Connecting to the 970 yielded it's own problems, and I didn't have any test gear with me, so was unable to work out exactly why, but the 970 was unable to detect the emulator, so I'm thinking there is a handshaking line or maybe just voltage levels which threw me off - will investigate!

The multicolour cartridge is quite interesting (Copyright 1994), as it allows a 4 colour pattern to be designed, with a limitation of 3 colours per row.

The multicolour cartridge works on 1 of 4 different modes:

1) KH940, 950i, 270
2) KH930
3) KH900
4) KH965, 965i

I believe this works by using 3 memory rows per knitted row, 1 for each colour allowed on that particular row. The maximum pattern size drops from 998 rows to 332 rows, which stacks up.

I don't yet know if there's any information about which 3 colours are used on each row, but I have the manual, so I guess I should take a read.

Interesting times....

Kevin

 

I forgot to mention.... the higher up models such as 940-970 are supposed to be able to read the lower model's patterns, but if saved in a 970 format for instance, then it cannot be read by the KH machines under it, ie; 930 etc. This is when using the FB100 series. Is that the same in what you are doing Steve and Kevin? Blessings, Cobi

 

I would, but I can't create an account on the wiki...

Kevin

On 19 Apr 2012, at 13:25, Steve Conklin <steve@...> wrote:

 

This is all really great information! I think it's time to create some tables showing which machines have compatible formats and what the other differences are.

I have suspected that the multi-color programming uses some of the memory locations which are unknown so far, so maybe we have a way to expand that knowledge.

Also, the fact that the 970 doesn't work like the rest may mean that Cobi's machine isn't broken after all.

Please feel free to create or modify the wiki pages on antitronics with information that you discover. Here is the base page for knitting machine info:

http://www.antitronics.com/wiki/index.php?title=Electroknit_Technical_Information

Steve

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Kevin <kevin.blain@...> wrote:

 

So I've been working on talking to the KH-950i machine using software based on Steve's package for the KH-930 and things are looking good.

Over the weekend, I opened up the spectrum somewhat, but adding on a few other devices to the table. As well as picking up a FB-100 floppy drive, I was able to pick up a PPD-110 and a couple of cartridges, including one for multi colour patterns. I also spent a bit of time playing with a KH-970 machine.

As it stands, using the PPD device, I can create images on the cartridge for the following machines:

KH930, KH940, KH950i, KH270

and transfer images from the PPD to the machine - the PPD emulates a floppy drive at this point.

I also know that the image created for the 950i works happily on the 965, 965i and 970.

However, the PPD uses at least one other command (M) which is not implemented in the emulator which Steve wrote, so I'm working on adding this is so that I can save directly from PPD to emulator.

Connecting to the 970 yielded it's own problems, and I didn't have any test gear with me, so was unable to work out exactly why, but the 970 was unable to detect the emulator, so I'm thinking there is a handshaking line or maybe just voltage levels which threw me off - will investigate!

The multicolour cartridge is quite interesting (Copyright 1994), as it allows a 4 colour pattern to be designed, with a limitation of 3 colours per row.

The multicolour cartridge works on 1 of 4 different modes:

1) KH940, 950i, 270
2) KH930
3) KH900
4) KH965, 965i

I believe this works by using 3 memory rows per knitted row, 1 for each colour allowed on that particular row. The maximum pattern size drops from 998 rows to 332 rows, which stacks up.

I don't yet know if there's any information about which 3 colours are used on each row, but I have the manual, so I guess I should take a read.

Interesting times....

Kevin