On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 11:43:28AM -0000, jinx@... wrote:
> --- In kencyr@y..., Damien Sullivan <phoenix@U...> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 03:01:34PM -0000, jinx@b... wrote:
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> > Of course, I got confused since the divine dance -- the Senetha --
> is composed
> > of four, when everything else is threes.
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> The senetha and senethar are four (elements) because the kantirs seem
> to be derived from the Book Bound in Pale Leather and from what we've
> seen it seem to only have elemental effects/affinities.

What's the elemental affinity of "BE STILL, TONGUE THAT SPEAKS"?
Interesting idea, but I think we just haven't seen much of the Book's
capabilities. Jame's only used the book directly once, for fire; the other
time she pulled a wind rune out of the Senetha. Saying that the Senetha is
derived from the Book does not say that the Book is contained in the Senetha.

After all, the Book's also a dimensional portal. Another not exactly
elemental thing.

> Perhaps the book and the elements of rathillien will be tied together
> later on

The Builder hoax idea includes that the temples are magical reactors, tapping
the natural elemental energy of a world and converting it to the triune form
used by the Kencyrath. The Four of Rathilien are still around because the
Builders didn't finish their temples. By extension, the whole Perimal
Darkling problem is really the Builders' fault, for weakening their world, and
then the threshold worlds they occupy in turn. Also, PD will stop with
Rathilien; the next threshold world won't be weakened.

OTOH, their could well be a 2nd group of Builders and Kencyrath (or
equivalent) working their way up the other side of the Chain of Creation.

So the Book could have more of an open connection to the forces feeding it,
since it's more flexible than the other two items.

The Three-Faced God was a hoax, but isn't now, due to 30,000 years of belief
in it by the Kencyrath. Remember Tai-Tastigon.

Given all this, having Gerridon's fall and the Builder's fall be coincidences
is implausible. Which caused which is open, although I think I prefer the
version where the Builders fall, and the Book panics and spills the beans to
Gerridon, who then takes the "honor is meaningless!" option Jame was teetering
on when worried about her monotheism.

The role of the Arrin-Ken (co-hoaxers, collaborators, just found about it 3000
years ago and trying to figure out what to do, still don't know) is totally
open. Although I think I like the version where they're in on the hoax, and
think God doesn't really exist, and are in for a surprise. "The Tyr-ridan
weren't supposed to actually come! Mreep!"

I would _really_ like to know if, when Immalai was going through Jame's head,
he saw the bit where the God-Voice called her the Tyr-Ridan, or whether he saw
a fuzzed up version of that scene without the prophecy and triune signature.

-xx- Damien X-)