Some of my friends    have managed     to meet   a few nice ones off this thing
(here is the place they told me: http://www.whatatreat.info/lmyre , but what do
you guys reckon? Myself, I actually think it is pretty awesome from what I've
seen, and Im considering getting on there later on this evening. If you don't
know what it is, basically its like a matchingplace, but has few added things I
noticed. Stuff like messenger, vidchat, picsrate, etc. Best part is you can
talk to ppl on vidchat even if you don't have it enabled yourself.

I doubt Kafka would have used online dating services, given they had
existed 80+ years ago.

I picked up a couple of books about Kafka's love life recently, used
books which I found hiding on the shelves of a book store and were
marked for a reasonable price, but I haven't read any of them--was
there a particular interest in this part of his life a few years
back?  I've been busy reading new translations into English of much of
his original work these last few years and have generally been
avoiding those biographies and critical studies of his love life
(although I still buy anything with Kafka in the title, it seems).
Does anyone have a suggestion of a good biography which doesn't paint
the man as some cultural icon?  Actually, I'd be interested to read
more about his family and sisters rather than more speculation about
his sexual potency--I enjoyed reading the letters to his family and
wonder how much more might be out there.

hello,
Sound interesting the books that you were able to pick up. What are the
titles? The only books to my knowledge that talks about his life are the
conversation with Kafka by Gustav Janouch (that's the kid who visited  Kafka at
his
office) and letters to Milena. Besides that, the only insight in  his family
life,  are in the introduction of his books. I think his sister  died on the
same
concentration camp as Milena. Have any of your Kafka lovers  seen the movie
base on the castle? all for now...

f.w

"Hay hombres  que luchan un día y son buenos. Hay otros que luchan un año y
son mejores. Hay  quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los
que luchan toda la  vida, esos son los imprescindibles” BERTOLD  BRECHT


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Although his relationships were signficantly based on
communication via letters--especially with Felice,
they seem to take up more of the relationship than
actual personal interaction....

I still think that Ernst Pawell's "Nightmare of
Reason" is the most engaging bio of Kafka. I began
reading Murray's book but lost interest, as it seemed
most of it had already been covered by previous
commentators (although he does do a tad bit of
critical analysis of Kafka's stories which are
interesting).

Bis

--- maddrb <maddrb@...> wrote:

> I doubt Kafka would have used online dating
> services, given they had
> existed 80+ years ago.
>
> I picked up a couple of books about Kafka's love
> life recently, used
> books which I found hiding on the shelves of a book
> store and were
> marked for a reasonable price, but I haven't read
> any of them--was
> there a particular interest in this part of his life
> a few years
> back?  I've been busy reading new translations into
> English of much of
> his original work these last few years and have
> generally been
> avoiding those biographies and critical studies of
> his love life
> (although I still buy anything with Kafka in the
> title, it seems).
> Does anyone have a suggestion of a good biography
> which doesn't paint
> the man as some cultural icon?  Actually, I'd be
> interested to read
> more about his family and sisters rather than more
> speculation about
> his sexual potency--I enjoyed reading the letters to
> his family and
> wonder how much more might be out there.
>
>
>
>


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Stevenson

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I have the opinion that Kafka's relationship with Felice was hardly
deep or profound--many of his letters to her are written one after the
other, before she had a chance to respond, and are filled with self-
analysis and doubts.  We don't have the privilege of reading her
letters to him, of course, but so much of his correspondence seems to
be written more for his own benefit than for the purpose of connecting
with another person (one of my favorite passages is when he compares
himself to a lowly worm groveling at her feet, unworthy of her love
and attention--I can't imagine someone saying such a thing on a dating
chat room with the expectation of impressing a young lady).  The book
I recently picked up, Kafka's Last Love: the Mystery of Dora Diamant
by Kathi Diamant, investigates a relationship definitely not defined
by written correspondence.  Now I've done a google search of the title
(http://www.kafkaproject.com/book.html) and I'm more interested in
reading it.

I just read a review in the NY Times Book Review of the first volume
of a new biography written by Reiner Stach and titled KAFKA: THE
DECISVE YEARS.  I've got a hold placed on a copy at my library.
Anyone see this yet?

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--- maddrb <maddrb@...> wrote:

> I just read a review in the NY Times Book Review of
> the first volume
> of a new biography written by Reiner Stach and
> titled KAFKA: THE
> DECISVE YEARS.  I've got a hold placed on a copy at
> my library.
> Anyone see this yet?
>
>
>
>


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Who thinks that among all the short story...
the best is that which speaks about a bridge

let me know....

Do you mean in Kafka's stories or in all short
stories?

Andrew

--- paiordo2000 <paiordo2000@...> wrote:

>
> Who thinks that among all the short story...
> the best is that which speaks about a bridge
>
> let me know....
>
>
>
>
>


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Hi,

Does anyone know where I can download audio readings of Kafka's works?
The only ones I found so far was at Salon.com:

http://www.salon.com/audio/fiction/2002/09/27/kafka/index.html

of 'The Hunger Artist.'

Thanks for any reply or good pointers I get.

JLG

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"Below, listen to an excerpt from the Franz Kafka
story "The Hunger Artist" (translated on the
collection as "A Hungry Artist,") performed by famed
singer and actress Lotte Lenya. The recording appears
courtesy of Harper Audio."

Haha changes the meaning significantly, don't you
think? Thanks for the link, though, didn't know about
this. The whole 6-disc collection sounds interesting.
I haven't forrayed much into audio literature, though,
which would probably help me out since I am legally
blind and have to look very close to a page. But I
just like the feel of books, and being able to write
in the margins, read passages over and over, etc.

Sorry I don't know of any other recordings, but I'm
sure they exist. I'm sure if you do a google search
you can find something.

Andrew

--- jeanlucgod <jeanlucgod@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know where I can download audio readings
> of Kafka's works?
> The only ones I found so far was at Salon.com:
>
>
http://www.salon.com/audio/fiction/2002/09/27/kafka/index.html
>
> of 'The Hunger Artist.'
>
> Thanks for any reply or good pointers I get.
>
> JLG
>
>
>
>
>
>


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I can't help but feel befuddled and almost helpless at the end of this
tale.  That's it?  He's just killed?  I read in a foreward of my
edition that part of the point of the book was to show his feeling of
life itself being a prison.  But I just can't rectify how it simply
goes from the scene with the priest to him being led to his execution.
What are your thoughts?

hello,
i find your question very interesting. i am not an academic or a literature
student, just somebody that like those books so this is my anserw, it seems that
k. accepted that he was guilty and he wanted to punish himself, its very
diferent ending then the movie, if you have not seen it i recomend it!, on the
movie k. is not accepting but defiant and even take out his killers.? thank you
for bringing the kafka list back to life!! it been such a long time since there
was any kinda of discussion here.







-----Original Message-----
From: jepner25 <jepner25@...>
To: kafka-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 8:16 pm
Subject: [kafka-list] The Trial Ending

























I can't help but feel befuddled and almost helpless at the end of this

tale.  That's it?  He's just killed?  I read in a foreward of my

edition that part of the point of the book was to show his feeling of

life itself being a prison.  But I just can't rectify how it simply

goes from the scene with the priest to him being led to his execution.

What are your thoughts?

















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I haven't seen the movie. I agree with the first poster in their
consternation over the ending, though I think your point about K
feeling himself deserving of punishment may have some relevance.
Although, I don't know whether it was a matter of feeling he deserved
it, or merely coming to accept it as an inevitable end.

In a way, it seems like an easy ending, a rather straightforward way
of ending the conflict. At the same time, if the whole story is
supposed to be about life being like a prison, then how else could it
end than to end with execution--death being the end of life.

Andrew

--- In kafka-list@yahoogroups.com, Payesero@... wrote:
>
>
>  hello,
> i find your question very interesting. i am not an academic or a
literature student, just somebody that like those books so this is my
anserw, it seems that k. accepted that he was guilty and he wanted to
punish himself, its very diferent ending then the movie, if you have
not seen it i recomend it!, on the movie k. is not accepting but
defiant and even take out his killers.? thank you for bringing the
kafka list back to life!! it been such a long time since there was any
kinda of discussion here.

--- In kafka-list@yahoogroups.com, "jepner25" <jepner25@...> wrote:
>
> I can't help but feel befuddled and almost helpless at the end of
this
> tale.  That's it?  He's just killed?  I read in a foreward of my
> edition that part of the point of the book was to show his feeling of
> life itself being a prison.  But I just can't rectify how it simply
> goes from the scene with the priest to him being led to his
execution.
> What are your thoughts?
>
In the begning of the story he doesnt take his arrest or trial
serisouly. Gradualy it consumes his whole life, then it ends this is
far fetched I know but maybe I am not sure how to put it. Maybe its
that the trial itself killed him, and that scene was a physical
representation of that. I love that scene in the book I didnt think he
would be killed, i did not see it coming. When he sees the man leaning
out of the window with his arms wide open and he thinks something
like, "was it a good man, a bad man, some who cared" I dont have the
book with me so I cant recall but it moved me. For me Kafka touches
something deep inside me. No one is really connected those words
represented that to me.

Is Klamm god? What exactley do you think his signifacnce is. False
hope. I love the assistants in the story, so weird, so perfect. I just
fell in love with kafka recently and have become obsessed with him.I
think Frieda is into the assistants. Although I know he writes in such
a way as to always leave you wondering. I look forward to any and all
responses

--- In kafka-list@yahoogroups.com, "paiordo2000" <paiordo2000@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Who thinks that among all the short story...
> the best is that which speaks about a bridge
>
> let me know....
>
My favorite short story by him is the burrow, everything about it is
fantastic to me. Which story speaks about a bridge specifically?

You asked about the story about a bridge; that would be "The Judgment," in which
the main
character debates with his father and then, feeling guilty and inferior, jumps
off a bridge at the
end.

As for "The Castle": I don't think anyone is meant to be God. I think that the
castle officials
having so much power, and their disconnection from the villagers, is meant to
illustrate the
feelings of futility and alienation the characters must struggle with. It is
also part of Kafka's
absurdist style - where action becomes a labyrinth with unusual, never-ending
twists and turns.

Mostly likely it also reflects a critique of the inefficiency of bureaucracy,
which Kafka must
have dealt with in his insurance job.

The ending of "The Trial": not sure how I feel about it. I was kind of jolted by
it, too, when I
first read it. Though I don't feel exactly cheated by it. I know that Kafka had
difficulty with
endings, especially in the novels. I'm not even sure whether he had definitely
decided he wanted
"The Trial" to end that way, or whether he was still debating about it and never
got to decide
before he died, and the novel got published posthumously. (He wrote all of the
novels close to the
end of his life.)

In a way, however, I feel that him being executed in the end was inevitable. The
fact is that no
matter how K. tried to fight against his condition, the authorities were always
against him. It
seems sad and pointless that he is killed - but then his whole trial, based on a
charge he has no
knowledge or understanding of, is the same way, isn't it?

Andrew


--- nightintherosegarden <nightintherosegarden@...> wrote:

> --- In kafka-list@yahoogroups.com, "jepner25" <jepner25@...> wrote:
> >
> > I can't help but feel befuddled and almost helpless at the end of
> this
> > tale.  That's it?  He's just killed?  I read in a foreward of my
> > edition that part of the point of the book was to show his feeling of
> > life itself being a prison.  But I just can't rectify how it simply
> > goes from the scene with the priest to him being led to his
> execution.
> > What are your thoughts?
> >
> In the begning of the story he doesnt take his arrest or trial
> serisouly. Gradualy it consumes his whole life, then it ends this is
> far fetched I know but maybe I am not sure how to put it. Maybe its
> that the trial itself killed him, and that scene was a physical
> representation of that. I love that scene in the book I didnt think he
> would be killed, i did not see it coming. When he sees the man leaning
> out of the window with his arms wide open and he thinks something
> like, "was it a good man, a bad man, some who cared" I dont have the
> book with me so I cant recall but it moved me. For me Kafka touches
> something deep inside me. No one is really connected those words
> represented that to me.
>
>


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excrescence.--Ballard, The Atrocity Exhibition


      
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