It is getting to the point where we need some serious organization discussion. Since the jos-requirements list has been vacant for 3 months, perhaps we can...
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Matt Caswell
Matt.Caswell@...
Apr 23, 1998 3:34 pm
I would suggest that a starting point for this is to write a JOS Constitution. It will be necessary IMO that JOS will have to elect officers to act on behalf...
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Kenneth Zhang
kenneth11@...
Apr 23, 1998 4:35 pm
Clark, thanks for the nice introduction on me. Just a brief introducation. I will be devoting most of my spare time (25+ hours) to work on the organization...
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Chris Bergstresser
chris@...
Apr 23, 1998 4:40 pm
I'll be happy to help. I've been trying to stay out of the way since I don't have any experience with kernels, and that;'s in my mind what's critical at this...
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ray shpeley
rshpeley@...
Apr 23, 1998 6:54 pm
First of all, I'm leaving on an extended vacation until the end of may. I'll be able to participate in some discussion from about the beginning of may onwards,...
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Clark Evans
clark.evans@...
Apr 23, 1998 8:09 pm
... Great. It would be good to quickly review the goals for JOS so that our constitution can support them. My list, #1) Create a public, open source, free...
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Stefan Borg
wolff@...
Apr 23, 1998 10:31 pm
Count me in!! I'm already helping Borne with the LDAP Client. If there is more I can do, I'm sure I'll find time. Stefan ... From: Clark...
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Matt Caswell
Matt.Caswell@...
Apr 24, 1998 8:23 am
This is great Clark. I feel that it is important to put into the "goals" section something about the bazaar nature of the project. i.e. "anyone can work on...
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Clark Evans
clark.evans@...
Apr 24, 1998 8:40 pm
I am currently moving and will not have internet access for a few days including this Sat, Sun and a few days next week. You can reach me at (508) 548-7421 or...
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Matt Caswell
Matt.Caswell@...
Apr 25, 1998 3:46 pm
Hi all, Working on the basis that it is easier to talk about a document once a working copy has been produced, I have done just that for the JOS constitution...
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Matt Caswell
Matt.Caswell@...
Apr 27, 1998 10:03 am
... Ooops, I forgot to answer this bit in my last post! Yes I do think it is feasible. I could probably amend the constitution so that no specific references...
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Matt Caswell
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Apr 27, 1998 10:04 am
... Well to a certain extent this is to be decided. The exact duties of the committee members as you will see in the constitution has been left blank. However...
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Kenneth Zhang
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Apr 27, 1998 10:53 am
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Matt Caswell
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Apr 27, 1998 12:39 pm
... I agree. ... Ok fine. How would you suggest we phrase that? ... Yes, this is the "bazaar". I would vote no to explicitly referencing the C&B paper. In my...
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Scott A. Miller
samiller@...
Apr 27, 1998 1:17 pm
Whoa! I have some problems with this: (1) you just sent your message asking for a vote on a member/non-member page. Don't you think you shouuld wait for the...
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Scott A. Miller
samiller@...
Apr 27, 1998 1:19 pm
... How about: JOS shall use collaboration, as opposed to authoritarian methods, as the basis for all operations except for organizational details, including,...
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Matt Caswell
Matt.Caswell@...
Apr 27, 1998 1:49 pm
... Sounds good to me! ... Ok - but what if someone misinterprets the voting system!? :-) Actually I do not think we need a seperate process for this. The...
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Matt Caswell
Matt.Caswell@...
Apr 27, 1998 2:10 pm
I just noticed there were some other points in your post that I didn't respond to: ... Yes agreed. I am more inclined to set a specific number of votes (e.g...
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Regier Avery J
RegierAveryJ@...
Apr 27, 1998 6:59 pm
Hi all, I have just a few comments on the Constitution and the subsequent discussion: 3.5 A member of "The JOS Project" is defined to be someone who is ...
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Adam Kessler
kessler@...
Apr 29, 1998 2:41 am
Hi, I think this constitution is a really good idea, and it may take a while to "ratify" it, but I think it will worth the trouble. I hope when its done we can...
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Clark Evans
clark.evans@...
Apr 29, 1998 3:37 am
Just thought that I'd re-post this after my rant so that we can get back to the consitutition. Matt and Scott have really put together a nice block of work,...
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Clark Evans
clark.evans@...
Apr 29, 1998 3:57 am
Yea! Right on the money. - Clark Scott Miller wrote: I tend to not be in favor of proposals that I believe create opportunity and/or temptation for a...
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Clark Evans
clark.evans@...
Apr 29, 1998 4:03 am
Hmmm.. The JOS Project is a network organization that will create, deliver, and support a free, public, open source, extensible operating system that defines...
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Scott A. Miller
samiller@...
Apr 29, 1998 4:03 am
... Actually, I said that _more_ committee members doesn't mean less power-grabbing or infighting;>) Your points are valid, perhaps even persuasive, if we...
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Clark Evans
clark.evans@...
Apr 29, 1998 4:03 am
We often talk about the Cathedral and the Bazaar. This is my take on it. When I read Eric Raymond's paper I intuitively understood what he was saying, namely,...
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Clark Evans
clark.evans@...
Apr 29, 1998 4:03 am
I don't know why this is relevant, but it is an ideology thread, right? Competition is the fight for scarce resources. Cooperation is working together for a...
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Clark Evans
clark.evans@...
Apr 29, 1998 4:03 am
Capital Based Organizations are Hierarchical. Intellectual Organizations are Networks. Most organizations that exist today are hierarchies. This is required...
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Clark Evans
clark.evans@...
Apr 29, 1998 4:03 am
Language is owned by the community of users. More than anything else, I see the operating system as a communication system. It defines and enforces the...
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Clark Evans
clark.evans@...
Apr 29, 1998 4:03 am
Simple ideologies shape nations. Before we continue with the discussion of our constitution, perhaps we should spend a bit of time and reflect upon what we are...
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Clark Evans
clark.evans@...
Apr 29, 1998 4:03 am
An Organization is accountable to its customers. An operating system organization creates, distributes, and supports an operating system. The customers of...
