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#3237 From: johnbarth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:04 am
Subject: Group Founding Anniversary!, 11/14/2007, 12:00 am
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#3238 From: Elena Tarnarutskaya <etarnarutskaya@...>
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: Group Founding Anniversary!, 11/14/2007, 12:00 am
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Congratulations to all group members on this day!
 
Am I on the the right spot to the chat room?
I am living now with Sabbatical and Giles read in the summer, different and each attractive in their own way  (started with Chimera for an academic paper some months ago).
So I'm a new JB reader. Looked up some archives of the group -used to be so lively even crowded then.
Perhaps some of you just stopped admiring the books? 
Or is that the eternal time problem that strangles us all?
Elena


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#3239 From: "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:53 pm
Subject: Re: Group Founding Anniversary!, 11/14/2007, 12:00 am
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On 11/14/07, Elena Tarnarutskaya <etarnarutskaya@...> wrote:
> So I'm a new JB reader. Looked up some archives of the group -used to be so
lively even crowded then.
> Perhaps some of you just stopped admiring the books?
> Or is that the eternal time problem that strangles us all?

I think it's probably neither.  We had a handful of garrulous ones
back in the day that would stir the pot and get things moving, but
they've since either left the list or fallen relatively silent/moved
on to other things.  Quite normal cyclical list behavior as far as
these things go (and/or as far as I can tell).

So has anyone gone out and bought 'Best American Short Stories 2007'
yet, and checked out 'Toga Party'?  I haven't yet, but will most
certainly during the holidays if not before.

Regards,
Mark

#3240 From: "M. Sedaghat Payam" <woolf_543@...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: Group Founding Anniversary!, 11/14/2007, 12:00 am
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I think it is the eternal time problem, but seriously speaking this dormant stage is not particular to this group and almost all the yahoo groups that I had joined before have become like this.

Elena Tarnarutskaya <etarnarutskaya@...> wrote:
 
Congratulations to all group members on this day!
 
Am I on the the right spot to the chat room?
I am living now with Sabbatical and Giles read in the summer, different and each attractive in their own way  (started with Chimera for an academic paper some months ago).
So I'm a new JB reader. Looked up some archives of the group -used to be so lively even crowded then.
Perhaps some of you just stopped admiring the books? 
Or is that the eternal time problem that strangles us all?
Elena

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#3241 From: Elena Tarnarutskaya <etarnarutskaya@...>
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: Group Founding Anniversary!, 11/14/2007, 12:00 am
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Yes and it's good there aren't any advertisements instead -like in some other groups.
Mehdy, how is your translation of "D"and the article on margines? (trying to rewake it )
Elena

"M. Sedaghat Payam" <woolf_543@...> wrote:
I think it is the eternal time problem, but seriously speaking this dormant stage is not particular to this group and almost all the yahoo groups that I had joined before have become like this.

Elena Tarnarutskaya <etarnarutskaya@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Congratulations to all group members on this day!
 
Am I on the the right spot to the chat room?
I am living now with Sabbatical and Giles read in the summer, different and each attractive in their own way  (started with Chimera for an academic paper some months ago).
So I'm a new JB reader. Looked up some archives of the group -used to be so lively even crowded then.
Perhaps some of you just stopped admiring the books? 
Or is that the eternal time problem that strangles us all?
Elena

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#3242 From: johnbarth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:25 am
Subject: BRAWNER'S BIRTHDAY, 11/21/2007, 12:00 am
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#3243 From: johnbarth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:45 am
Subject: BRAWNER'S BIRTHDAY, 11/21/2007, 12:00 am
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#3244 From: "M. Sedaghat Payam" <woolf_543@...>
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:21 am
Subject: Re: Group Founding Anniversary!, 11/14/2007, 12:00 am
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Hi Elena
I finished translating that book and I am waiting for the Ministry of Culture to issue a printing permit for that. I didn't write that article, and just wrote a short introduction for that book instead. Anyway I may write that in future if I find enough time.

I hope Iranian readers enjoy reading Barth.

Elena Tarnarutskaya <etarnarutskaya@...> wrote:
Yes and it's good there aren't any advertisements instead -like in some other groups.
Mehdy, how is your translation of "D"and the article on margines? (trying to rewake it )
Elena

"M. Sedaghat Payam" <woolf_543@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think it is the eternal time problem, but seriously speaking this dormant stage is not particular to this group and almost all the yahoo groups that I had joined before have become like this.

Elena Tarnarutskaya <etarnarutskaya@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Congratulations to all group members on this day!
 
Am I on the the right spot to the chat room?
I am living now with Sabbatical and Giles read in the summer, different and each attractive in their own way  (started with Chimera for an academic paper some months ago).
So I'm a new JB reader. Looked up some archives of the group -used to be so lively even crowded then.
Perhaps some of you just stopped admiring the books? 
Or is that the eternal time problem that strangles us all?
Elena

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#3245 From: John Shelby <johnshelby@...>
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:29 pm
Subject: Re: BRAWNER'S BIRTHDAY, 11/21/2007, 12:00 am
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Happy Birthday, Mark!


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#3246 From: Elena Tarnarutskaya <etarnarutskaya@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:49 pm
Subject: Re: BRAWNER'S BIRTHDAY, 11/21/2007, 12:00 am
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Mark, many happy returns! Thanks for keeping the group going (sorry saw the reminder today)
Elena

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#3247 From: "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:45 pm
Subject: Re: BRAWNER'S BIRTHDAY, 11/21/2007, 12:00 am
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Thank you for the birthday wishes.  It was a fun day spent with family, replete with black balloons declaring me "over the hill", and so on (my having turned 40).  And on Thanksgiving Day, to boot!
 
It still cracks me up every year when I read the part of the reminder that says:
 
"Notes: November 22 declared a global holiday."   Ha.

#3248 From: "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:25 pm
Subject: Our guy gets some love from the blogosphere
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#3249 From: "agrimorfee" <agrimorfee@...>
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:20 pm
Subject: Re: Our guy gets some love from the blogosphere
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--- In johnbarth@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...>
wrote:
>
> http://www.themillionsblog.com/2007/12/year-in-reading-edward-
champion.html
>

Wonder what the author meant by "a Gilbert Sorrentino shoutout"?

#3250 From: "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:33 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Our guy gets some love from the blogosphere
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On 12/18/07, agrimorfee <agrimorfee@...> wrote:
> --- In johnbarth@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.themillionsblog.com/2007/12/year-in-reading-edward-
> champion.html
> >
>
> Wonder what the author meant by "a Gilbert Sorrentino shoutout"?

"Shutout," actually, though I'm not sure what that means either.  If
he means that Sorrentino, though active till the end, was not reviewed
in his last years (which I'm not sure was the case), I don't see this
happening to Barth.

#3251 From: "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:41 pm
Subject: New stories
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Subtropics 4 has a new Barth story "Assisted Living," which we're told
is (along with the prior story 'Peeping Tom' from issue #1) from "The
Development: 9 Stories," forthcoming from Houghton Mifflin.

I don't have any info on a release date.

http://www.english.ufl.edu/subtropics/ourauthors.html

#3252 From: "nicola_leporini" <nicola_leporini@...>
Date: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:04 pm
Subject: "Ambrose his mark"
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In "Ambrose his mark" from Lost in the Funhouse, is it implied that Ambrose's
father is in
a mental hospital?
How comes that in "Water-message" he runs a school or something?
Did I get something wrong?
Thanks

#3253 From: "M. Sedaghat Payam" <woolf_543@...>
Date: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: "Ambrose his mark"
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I don't recall that in Ambrose His Mark, but he is also a school teacher in the title story.

nicola_leporini <nicola_leporini@...> wrote:
In "Ambrose his mark" from Lost in the Funhouse, is it implied that Ambrose's father is in
a mental hospital?
How comes that in "Water-message" he runs a school or something?
Did I get something wrong?
Thanks



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#3254 From: James McKeogh <jhmckeogh@...>
Date: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:12 pm
Subject: Re: "Ambrose his mark"
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If you read through Ambrose His Mark, pay attention to
the bees.  I've argued in the past, that those bee's
act in a very similar manner to the night sea
journeyers...  and since the bee's belong to grandpa,
grandpa is actually the father of ambrose.  Thats how
i read it anyhow.

cheers, merry new years


--- "M. Sedaghat Payam" <woolf_543@...> wrote:

> I don't recall that in Ambrose His Mark, but he is
> also a school teacher in the title story.
>
> nicola_leporini <nicola_leporini@...> wrote:
>          In "Ambrose his mark" from Lost in the
> Funhouse, is it implied that Ambrose's father is in
> a mental hospital?
> How comes that in "Water-message" he runs a school
> or something?
> Did I get something wrong?
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#3255 From: "agrimorfee" <agrimorfee@...>
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: "Ambrose his mark"
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--- In johnbarth@yahoogroups.com, James McKeogh <jhmckeogh@...> wrote:
... and since the bee's belong to grandpa,
> grandpa is actually the father of ambrose.  ...

Later on, this odd theory of eugenics is explored further in Tidewater
Tales.

#3256 From: "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: "Ambrose his mark"
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On 12/31/07, nicola_leporini <nicola_leporini@...> wrote:
> In "Ambrose his mark" from Lost in the Funhouse, is it implied that Ambrose's
father is in
> a mental hospital?
> How comes that in "Water-message" he runs a school or something?
> Did I get something wrong?
> Thanks

Hector, principal of East Dorset School was committed to the Eastern
Shore Asylum after his "mad invasion of the delivery room" and his
"wild assertion, as they carried him off, that the port-wine stain
near [Ambrose's] eye was a devil's mark."  He subsequently released,
apparently, as Water-Message has him back at work. ("I swear to God,
I'm the principal of a zoo!")

#3257 From: "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 7:00 pm
Subject: Re: New stories
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On 12/21/07, Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...> wrote:
> Subtropics 4 has a new Barth story "Assisted Living," which we're told
> is (along with the prior story 'Peeping Tom' from issue #1) from "The
> Development: 9 Stories," forthcoming from Houghton Mifflin.
>
> I don't have any info on a release date.
>
> http://www.english.ufl.edu/subtropics/ourauthors.html

I've heard from the Subtropics/University of Florida that THE
DEVELOPMENT will be published in late fall 08/winter 09.  Also that
Barth will be reading at UF in February.

http://www.english.ufl.edu/events.html

#3258 From: "anmolsaab" <anmolsaab@...>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:52 am
Subject: new poems
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Dosto
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#3259 From: "M. Sedaghat Payam" <woolf_543@...>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:22 am
Subject: Re: new poems
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Are you crazy? Here is not an Indian poetry group.

anmolsaab <anmolsaab@...> wrote:
Dosto
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#3260 From: Mal McCormack <malmc_y@...>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:20 am
Subject: Re: new poems
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Actually, I found that quite charming

"M. Sedaghat Payam" <woolf_543@...> wrote:

Are you crazy? Here is not an Indian poetry group.

anmolsaab <anmolsaab@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dosto
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#3261 From: "ileanacapan" <ileanacapan@...>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:37 pm
Subject: request
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hi, I am new on this group.
I need some help from you.
Does anybody have an electronic version of "the floating opera"?
I did not find anything on the internet and maybe some of you have
this book.

Thanks

#3262 From: "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: request
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Hello.

See attached.

Regards,
Mark

On 1/22/08, ileanacapan <ileanacapan@...> wrote:
> hi, I am new on this group.
> I need some help from you.
> Does anybody have an electronic version of "the floating opera"?
> I did not find anything on the internet and maybe some of you have
> this book.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
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#3263 From: James McKeogh <jhmckeogh@...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:51 pm
Subject: Night Sea Journey
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Hey all, two quick questions.  One, approx how many pages is John Barth's "Night Sea Journey,"  i don't have my "LitFH" handy. 
 
Also, do you think it would be appropriate to teach this short story to highschool seniors, in a fairly liberal Prep School?


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#3264 From: "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: Night Sea Journey
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On 2/21/08, James McKeogh <jhmckeogh@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey all, two quick questions.  One, approx how many pages is John Barth's
"Night Sea Journey,"  i don't have my "LitFH" handy.

Eleven pages.

> Also, do you think it would be appropriate to teach this short story to
highschool seniors, in a fairly liberal Prep School?

In my opinion, a resounding Yes!

#3265 From: "M. Sedaghat Payam" <woolf_543@...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:06 am
Subject: Re: Night Sea Journey
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In reply to the second question I have to say that you need to know how liberal they are toward this matter. I wouldn't do it if I were in your shoes, because still some parents would think that this must be an erotic story, because of its narrator.

Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...> wrote:
On 2/21/08, James McKeogh <jhmckeogh@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey all, two quick questions. One, approx how many pages is John Barth's "Night Sea Journey," i don't have my "LitFH" handy.

Eleven pages.

> Also, do you think it would be appropriate to teach this short story to highschool seniors, in a fairly liberal Prep School?

In my opinion, a resounding Yes!


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#3266 From: Blair Mahoney <b1b2@...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:51 am
Subject: Re: Night Sea Journey
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I think it would be great to teach, and I'm planning to teach some Barth to my year 10 students this year (equivalent of high school sophomores?). I wouldn't have any problems with "Night Sea Journey" at my school, but the teaching environment here in Australia is probably a bit different to the US (is that where you are?). There was the case of the teacher being sacked for giving a student a Daniel Clowes comic late last year...

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Hey all, two quick questions.  One, approx how many pages is John Barth's "Night Sea Journey,"  i don't have my "LitFH" handy. 
 
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