--- In johnbarth@y..., Michael Perez <studiovheissu@y...> wrote:
> So, even though we know Blooey! is on its way, we are still pretty
much
> assured of a mostly happy, though thoroughly improbable and crowded,
> ending.

Do I detect a note of cynicism here, Michael?  :)

> The main story in this section, the Scheherazade menstruation story,
> answers a question P posed on Day 0 and gives us cause to think
about
> "Why 14?" leading to "Why 10 years?" for Odysseus or "Why 1/2 hour?"
> for DQ's stay in the Cave of Montesinos.  Are the answers
> "dramaturgical, not mathematical"

And there's all those other numerical traditions-- Biblical 40
days/nights or 7 days/nights.  Or, in many fables, the protagonist
often waits 3 days/nights for his/her next action.

, "The Swan Prince of Queenstown Creek," was fraught with
> continuity problems and blatant, though funny, anachronisms.  It was
> not a carefully well thought out story or told in a way worthy of a
> founder of the ASPS.

Agreed.  In my 3rd readng of this section, I still do not like it at
all.  Why? It has very little antecedent to the rest of "our" stories
(TT or classical lit--except for, I guess, "Swan Lake"); it's
foreshadowing by the kids sounds like something totally awesome, but
ends up rather anticlimactic; and its appearance this late in the
game just brings all the action thus far to a screeching halt (IMHO).


   The second, K's retelling of the first two parts
> of P's revised DQ after Montesinos, was improvised from detailed
notes,
> but well-told and incorporated immediately into reality, such as it
is
> in this book, in the form of CDQ's personal saga.

And I liked this instead--like P's gestating "Rocinante II" story,
when I first read TT I had very little previoius knowledge of "1001
Arabian Nights", but JB gave me enough info to get me interested,
made a nice conceit, and made me want to get the original book itself
(which I later did).  And I hate math!

>
> As readers, I think I can safely assume we have long given up the
idea
> of reality in this book.  It's more García Marquez than Melville,
more
> Dalí than Turner (if it were a painting), more Buñuel than Lean (if
it
> were a film).

More Syd Barrett than Bob Dylan if it were music? :)

agrimorfee wrote:
"More Syd Barrett than Bob Dylan if it were music?"

Yeah!  I guess so.  "I've got a bike, you can ride it if you like . .
."

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Hectic Easter, friend / family gathering-wise. I'll try to post some
tomorrow, mainly re DQ but also re the current section. Meanwhile: this
(came in through the Nick Cave mailing list). Hope it works.

.K

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I've been reading DQ during most of my free time for the last two weeks or
so, always keeping in mind the relevance of the novel for TT. I've been
trying to compile a list of reasons why JB finds it so appealing, like he
does Arabian Nights - but he gives enough reasons for *that* everywhere. So
anyway, in no particular order, judging from some 250 pages of the first
volume:

1. It has a complex narrative structure, with the layers that JB likes:
Cervantes --> the so far nameless narrator, maybe Cervantes maybe not --> a
fellow met in the street who translates the text in Arabic --> Cide Hamete
Benengeli's text in Arabic. As for the Narrator - he could be Cervantes
but: at one point there is a scene in which the priest with some helpers
are about to burn DQ's library and among the volumes there is Cervantes'
Galatea. The narrator does not comment that in any way - he could be
pulling our leg...

2. The story is often discontinuous because of the above &:
before the narrator comes across Benengeli's text which is at the moment
unintelligible to him (and which seems to be also a part of the text) there
is also a lot of groping for bits of the story. The narrator had heard
things of DQ's adventures, but they end unexpectedly, so he feverishly
seeks the rest (& finds it in as improbable a fashion as the canisters in
TT!). The narrator is very far removed from the 'source' of the story,
relying in passing on someone else's knowledge of another language... in JB
terms: Revised New Syllabus? (distance from source?) Smith's & Burlingame's
privie journals? (bits & pieces, found by chance?)

3. There is the theme of the Pattern JB likes so much because:
Don Quixote is a hidalgo who has read too many stories of chivalrous
knights & badly wants to be one. He becomes in the process a Far From
Perfect Imitation of a knight errant, always reading the reality around him
through the texts he has in his head & ordering them after their manner. He
often talks of the man who will at one point set down his story, sometimes
in a way that implies this person already exists - so all in all he has a
very keen sense of narrative structure. He is always on the lookout for
adventures which should befall a knight errant according to the Pattern he
has compiled from the books he has read... Giles, Bellerophon, Bray come to
mind.

4. The above is also because:
The book was meant to be a parody of the knight romances. This is all very
exciting I think because it means that parody & widely understood
metafiction lie at the very heart of the novel as such... Sterne of course
goes much further some time later, but he is developing the ideas that
Cervantes lays down nearly 400 years ago!

5. There are doubtless other reasons but:
these I take to be the most prominent. Could other DQ readers (and I repeat
that I am only some 250 pages in) weigh in on this?

Onto TT now.

.K





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Good job, as always Kris.  I havenn't read Cervantes yet, but I think
you hit quite a few nails on the proverbial head with this! I think
we were so caught up in JB's water games (harhar!) we could not see
the ocean for the puddle.

So we are almost out of the woods -- Day 13 delivers us to the top of the bay,
the beginning of the end of the story, to the breaking of Peter's water and the
eve of Kate's forecast due date.

So what do we actually have to show for it?  Not too much, actually.  It is one
of the slimmest chapters, and it is almost certainly the shortest day of the
book -- it gives quite freely to its neighbors.  The late night of day 12 takes
a little bit out of the morning, and the present chapter begins at breakfast.
 After dinner, 13 donates about 3 hours to its successor, then tells an un-funny
joke -- un-funnily -- and goes to bed.  

So Day 13 itself is barely 12 hours long.  What happens in those?  All sail
North, for Ordinary Point, for rondez-vous well-, barely-, and un-planned.
 Peter writes, Chip is surprisingly inteligent/compotent for a kid his age, and
Kate demonstrates her sailing skill with a soft landing to pick up supplies.

Some time after their arrival at Ordinary Point, Katydid IV shows up, and Hank
provides a demonstration of his own boat-handling abilities, which are
considerable.  Rocinante IV appears, disappears, appears, and disappears again.
 Dinner (and martinis, and several bottles of wine) is consumed, and Rocinante
shows up again, with Reprise.

Chip talks with Sy over the radio, to guide the two boats in to the
already-rafted Story and Katydid IV.  They become friends, though later the
difference between a real child and an idealized is briefly to the fore.  All 4
boats raft up; introductions are made where necessary.  CBS and CDQ, evidently
an item, are looking after seasick Sy.  Sy wants nothing to do with his mother,
or with May.

Peter tells Frank how to novelize his story -- it sounds a lot like Sabbatical,
surprise! -- and then we skip over the better part of the evening.  Peter and
Kath laboriously put together a joke oft-told between them, for the benefit of
Chip.  Punch line - opening line - middle line, and we're done.  All sleep.

So a gutted day ends with a joke turned inside-out; the various comings-together
(nautical, familial, plot-thread, Peter-Frank-muses-boina, etc.)provide
contrast.  Overall, day 13 seems like a bit of a place-holder; the only things
of importance to happen on the 13th day (peter's story, the lost hours after
dinner) are displaced for later telling.

On, then, with the story.

Misc:
The kids are here named (among other things) Ark and Dove; as I mentioned
earlier, those were the first two boats that brought settlers to Maryland.  I
believe this name is used when Katydid and Story are a two-boat raft...

Peter uses a pen purchased "in apprentice days in honor of great Boz at a
stationers' shop in Rochester, England, alleged to be Mr. Pumblechook's
premises"  The reference is to Dickens' Great Expectations; the shop --
half-timbered, with second and third stories overhanging the street -- is still
in existence, though I don't know if there is a stationers' on the premises.
(picture at http://www.medwaytowns.com/literary.html)

Navigation-wise, the Sassafras and Ordinary Point are at the southeast corner of
this chart:
http://mfproducts.nos.noaa.gov/images/charts/12274_1.gif; Katydid starts its day
4 nautical miles south of Worton Point, in Fairlee Creek:
http://mfproducts.nos.noaa.gov/images/charts/12278_1.gif


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I, too, have been reading the Quixote these last few weeks.  To Kris'
contribution, I will only add the following:

"The greatest part of your modern knights rustle in damasks, brocades and other
rich and splendid attire, instead of rattling in coats of mail; ...no champion,
now-a-days coming out of some dreary wood, immediately enters another rocky
wilderness, thro' which he reaches the barren and deserted coast of the rough
and stormy sea, where finding, in some creek, a crazy boat without oars, sails,
mast, or tackle, he intrepidly throws himself into it, and launches out upon the
implacable billows that whirl him aloft in heaven, then sink him to the profound
abyss, while his unshaken soul defies the storm: then when he dreams of no such
matter, he finds himself three thousand leagues and more from the place where he
embarked..."

DQ, Volume II, Book 1.



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> To: Barbara Schmidt; Scott Pierson
> Subject: I thought you would be interested in this...
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my last forward was not meant for you!

Yo Matt; yo all of y'all,

The Quixote quote you found is simply amazing! Loud cheers here. I wonder
if JB knows his DQ inside out (likely), or if he ransacked the novel in
search of nautical connections (less likely, in my opinion) or whether this
line inspired him during a casual, repeated read / skim (I like this
version most). I'm still in the first volume & enjoying every page!

As for the T's: I like your generic description of Day 13 as one of
"various comings together", because indeed that's what it seems to be; to
quote Michael in his Day 12, "we are still pretty much assured of a mostly
happy, though thoroughly improbable and crowded, ending." Yes, most of the
most prominent characters are here, only the ominous Sherbaldians along
with possibly ill Molly are missing, but they are supposed to turn up the
next day if I remember correctly. So yes! Everyone will be there & we take
it for granted that CBS's prophecy re the next day was correct. But
whatever does Peter's no to Kath's "This is the chapter before last" or
somesuch mean?

A quick look at the table of contents tells us that there is still the
Ending - is that the Last Chapter then? Day 14 - the one before last &
consequently, day 13 the one before the one before last? The last words of
the Day 13 chapter are, I think, "We are ready now" (the book's in my bag,
which is in the other room, which in turn is too far to go at this
point...). I'm sure that in the scene I mentioned Kath & Pete use the word
'chapter', as they did before - and the ending or the epilogue is usually
not treated as a chapter (at least not in this country it isn't...) but as
a different entity, akin to an introduction - both framing the story from
the outside. So - is Peter wrong? Or has JB an ace up his sleeve that is
going to throw us first-timers and/or second-timers with bad memory right
off the track?

.K




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More mundane matters: as you may or may not remember, when I put together
the hosting grid I decided to split Day 14 into two parts, as it's about 80
pages long and I thought it might turn out to be a bit much once we've set
the pace for the roughly 20-30 pages a week  Now I'm not so sure if that
was such a good idea, especially since this is the last one & I hope we
will be excited enough about it not to drop off halfway through... So I
decided to do a poll on this one & please tell me what you think. The grid
looks as follows:

Apr 12 DAY 14 pt 1 (p.560-604) - 44 p Mike F.
Apr 19 DAY 14 pt 2 (p.604-638) - 34 p Mark
Apr 26 THE ENDING (p.639-655) - 16 p MIND THE GAP

April 12 is still five days away. The way I see it, if both Hosts agree to
this, we could splice Day 14 back to one piece & let Mike have it (provided
that Mike can / wants to take on a load of 80 pages, probably chockfull of
red-hot chestnuts freshly out of the fire...) and then Mark could have the
nebulous Ending (last chapter?), which we instinctively left unmanned
during the last assigning... We could also try the reverse, i.e Mark - Day
14 & Mike - The Ending. All of this depends mainly on the results of the
poll (please may I ask at least the active participators in this read to
have a go?) & the Two Lone Hosts' opinions on the matter. Should all else
fail, I volunteer to take on the hosting of Day 14, as I'm guilty of the
unnatural (though, I swear, well-meant) splitting.

One last thing, more directly TT-oriented: I was thinking of all the lovely
chapter synopses that this group has generated & thought that maybe we
could put them together & post them somewhere once we're done? The initial
obstacle, that nearly each of them is different in style, very quickly
appeared to me to be the reverse: the beauty of so many people's
willingness to rewrite bits of their beloved author's novel... We could
also try & whip all the comments into some Character- or Theme-oriented
groups and have them up as well, either as part of a larger JB website
(Dave? Blair? if they approve...cc'd here just in case) or as a TT webpage
all its own... How's that sound, guys? A commemoration of this reading,
which inevitably draws to a close and will, at least its reading phase,
last another 2 or 3 weeks, depending... Anyway, let me know what you think
of this. No poll here, just ideas...

Good vibes to you all,

.K



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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
johnbarth group:

How do you want to discuss Day 14 (ca
80 pages):

   o over two weeks (initial idea)
   o over one week (new idea)


To vote, please visit the following web page:

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Thanks!

Hey y'all,

Kris sez:
> One last thing, more directly TT-oriented: I was thinking of
> all the lovely chapter synopses that this group has generated
> & thought that maybe we could put them together & post them
> somewhere once we're done?

I would be more than happy to host whatever pearls of wisdom the group
provides about Tidewater Tales on my Barth website. I haven't read much
Barth in the past few years, and so I always welcome additional
material/critiques/thoughts/links/pics/quotes/suggestions to prevent the
site from getting stale (staler?).

Dave

Quoth Dave:
> I would be more than happy to host whatever pearls of wisdom the group
> provides about Tidewater Tales on my Barth website.

Dave, I think you've set the bar a tad high....

.K





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> > I would be more than happy to host whatever pearls of wisdom the group
> > provides about Tidewater Tales on my Barth website.
>
> Dave, I think you've set the bar a tad high....

No, but seriously Dave, thanks a lot! I hope the others go along with the
idea & that they don't withhold their copyright... :)

.K



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It would probably be a better fit on Dave's site than at the Scriptorium, so
given that Dave's happy to host it I'm only too willing to go along with
that suggestion. I am also happy to relinquish copyright for my chapter
summary...

on 7/4/02 11:16 AM, Dave Edelman at dave_edelman@... wrote:

> Hey y'all,
>
> Kris sez:
>> One last thing, more directly TT-oriented: I was thinking of
>> all the lovely chapter synopses that this group has generated
>> & thought that maybe we could put them together & post them
>> somewhere once we're done?
>
> I would be more than happy to host whatever pearls of wisdom the group
> provides about Tidewater Tales on my Barth website. I haven't read much
> Barth in the past few years, and so I always welcome additional
> material/critiques/thoughts/links/pics/quotes/suggestions to prevent the
> site from getting stale (staler?).
>
> Dave
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--- In johnbarth@y..., "Kris Majer" <stonk@f...> wrote:
.
>
> One last thing, more directly TT-oriented: I was thinking of all
the lovely
> chapter synopses that this group has generated & thought that maybe
we
> could put them together & post them somewhere once we're done? The
initial
> obstacle, that nearly each of them is different in style, very
quickly
> appeared to me to be the reverse: the beauty of so many people's
> willingness to rewrite bits of their beloved author's novel... We
could
> also try & whip all the comments into some Character- or Theme-
oriented
> groups and have them up as well, either as part of a larger JB
website
> (Dave? Blair? if they approve...cc'd here just in case) or as a TT
webpage
> all its own... How's that sound, guys? A commemoration of this
reading,
> which inevitably draws to a close and will, at least its reading
phase,
> last another 2 or 3 weeks, depending... Anyway, let me know what
you think
> of this...

I say this much--
Each "author" of us is acknowledged for his/her chapter summary, if
not a copyright. (no big deal)

We stress a caveat emptor for viewers that our comments are not
necessarily correct or authorized by JB. ("raise the bar", indeed! ;))

I'm not sure that our material can be stretched in separate headings
about themes and characters--maybe hyperlinks from citation to
citation will suffice. (also links to maps, original sources of
material, etc.)

I would be happy enough for this to be a separate File here in our
group, assuming Yahoo doesn't do anything stupid like when they
merged the Clubs and Groups, rendering such files inaccessible (as
happened to the Luxuriamusic group)

Just a few thoughts for your pennies. :)

Ag sez:
> I say this much--
> Each "author" of us is acknowledged for his/her chapter summary, if
> not a copyright. (no big deal)

Well, of course! That's the beauty of it... Everyone is credited! I never
intended for the comments to be disconnected from whoever made them, on the
contrary: to stress that it was X or Y who says thus.

> We stress a caveat emptor for viewers that our comments are not
> necessarily correct or authorized by JB. ("raise the bar", indeed! ;))

:) I wonder if the creators of the Hyper Arts Pynchon pages ever bothered
with that... But we could, yes.

> maybe hyperlinks from citation to
> citation will suffice. (also links to maps, original sources of
> material, etc.)

Precisely - hyperlinks is what I thought of after sending the last message.

> I would be happy enough for this to be a separate File here in our
> group, assuming Yahoo doesn't do anything stupid

I wouldn't trust Yahoo with anything like that. "Oops! Sorry, we
accidentally deleted the entire archive! Have a nice day."
That's why I asked both Blair & Dave for their kind permission to make it
part of their pages (thanks for your prompt responses, guys). It would of
course take a lot of work, but I think it's worth the trouble - regardless
of how highly each of us esteems the novel in question...

.K



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Hi all,

Just getting to this message, hope it doesn't throw any spanners into the
works . . .

I'm happy to do the entire Day 14 if that's what folks prefer, though I
personally was going with the split idea. My idea for the Ending was to let
everyone (who wants to) post their own summary of the ending, which seems to
be a convenient way for everyone to post as well their thoughts on the novel
as a whole.

It's now Monday, and I've caught up *to* Day 14 <blush>, so I think I can
deal with the 80 pages, or I can defer to Mark if he has a strong desire. As
I said, I don't have a problem with splitting it as per the original plan --
might hold the suspense <smile> -- but I'll await the group consensus.
Either way, tonight I'll be spending time reading and writing notes.

best,

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Majer [mailto:stonk@...]
Sent: Saturday, 06 April 2002 16:41
To: johnbarth@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Blair Mahoney; Dave Edelman
Subject: [johnbarth] Trouble with Day 14 + an idea


More mundane matters: as you may or may not remember, when I put together
the hosting grid I decided to split Day 14 into two parts, as it's about 80
pages long and I thought it might turn out to be a bit much once we've set
the pace for the roughly 20-30 pages a week  Now I'm not so sure if that was
such a good idea, especially since this is the last one & I hope we will be
excited enough about it not to drop off halfway through... So I decided to
do a poll on this one & please tell me what you think. The grid looks as
follows:

Apr 12 DAY 14 pt 1 (p.560-604) - 44 p Mike F.
Apr 19 DAY 14 pt 2 (p.604-638) - 34 p Mark
Apr 26 THE ENDING (p.639-655) - 16 p MIND THE GAP

April 12 is still five days away. The way I see it, if both Hosts agree to
this, we could splice Day 14 back to one piece & let Mike have it (provided
that Mike can / wants to take on a load of 80 pages, probably chockfull of
red-hot chestnuts freshly out of the fire...) and then Mark could have the
nebulous Ending (last chapter?), which we instinctively left unmanned during
the last assigning... We could also try the reverse, i.e Mark - Day 14 &
Mike - The Ending. All of this depends mainly on the results of the poll
(please may I ask at least the active participators in this read to have a
go?) & the Two Lone Hosts' opinions on the matter. Should all else fail, I
volunteer to take on the hosting of Day 14, as I'm guilty of the unnatural
(though, I swear, well-meant) splitting.

One last thing, more directly TT-oriented: I was thinking of all the lovely
chapter synopses that this group has generated & thought that maybe we could
put them together & post them somewhere once we're done? The initial
obstacle, that nearly each of them is different in style, very quickly
appeared to me to be the reverse: the beauty of so many people's willingness
to rewrite bits of their beloved author's novel... We could also try & whip
all the comments into some Character- or Theme-oriented groups and have them
up as well, either as part of a larger JB website (Dave? Blair? if they
approve...cc'd here just in case) or as a TT webpage all its own... How's
that sound, guys? A commemoration of this reading, which inevitably draws to
a close and will, at least its reading phase, last another 2 or 3 weeks,
depending... Anyway, let me know what you think of this. No poll here, just
ideas...

Good vibes to you all,

.K



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Mike wrote:

>It's now Monday, and I've caught up *to* Day 14 <blush>,
  so I think I can deal with the 80 pages, or I can defer to
  Mark if he has a strong desire.

If you want to host 80 pages, go for it.  I voted to split
  up the reading (not because I'm hot to host another
  section, but just to give me time to read) but could
  really go either way.

Cheers,
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I voted to split it, I agree with your reason, so absent some hue and cry
from the list, let's go with keeping the schedule as it is currently.

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Brawner [mailto:markbrawner@...]
Sent: Monday, 08 April 2002 10:44
To: johnbarth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [johnbarth] Trouble with Day 14 + an idea


Mike wrote:

>It's now Monday, and I've caught up *to* Day 14 <blush>,
  so I think I can deal with the 80 pages, or I can defer to  Mark if he has
a strong desire.

If you want to host 80 pages, go for it.  I voted to split
  up the reading (not because I'm hot to host another
  section, but just to give me time to read) but could
  really go either way.

Cheers,
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Dear Mike; Dear Mark; Dear All,

As regards Day 14, I can swing either way as well - so far the initial
two-week option is winning in the polls, but just barely. If anyone
else wants to have a say in this, make sure you do this before
tomorrow afternoon / evening (Tuesday - allowing for time zone
differences), by which time I guess our Dear Host Mike has to know if
he's doing 30 or 80 pages...

Should it turn out that the majority is for uniting Day 14 into a one-
week read after all & you can't make it, Mike, I can try to
singlehand it.

Till later,

.K

I voted, but it sure seems to me that only the person who has to do it all,
if he's going to do it all, should make the decision!

-----Original Message-----
From: krismajer [mailto:stonk@...]
Sent: April 08, 2002 1:20 PM
To: johnbarth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [johnbarth] 2 split or not 2 split


Dear Mike; Dear Mark; Dear All,

As regards Day 14, I can swing either way as well - so far the initial
two-week option is winning in the polls, but just barely. If anyone
else wants to have a say in this, make sure you do this before
tomorrow afternoon / evening (Tuesday - allowing for time zone
differences), by which time I guess our Dear Host Mike has to know if
he's doing 30 or 80 pages...

Should it turn out that the majority is for uniting Day 14 into a one-
week read after all & you can't make it, Mike, I can try to
singlehand it.

Till later,

.K




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Email's are not his long suit. I got a short but courteous email from Barth
today in response to a letter I sent him about the William James reference
in 'How to Make a Universe'. (Thanks to those who helped me out with the
address.) He couldn't help me as his manuscripts are 'inconveniently stashed
in the Library of Congress' and memory was not sufficient 'to amplify
whatever reference I made 40+ years ago to the admirable Wm James'. Signed
'JB'. He did not mention whether those manuscripts are publicly available
yet, though it didn't sound like it. Will try to contact archivist there.
The search continues.

BTW Kris, that Washington College email address you suggested was the reply
address.

Jonathan

Too easy. The Library of Congress has: 'Literary manuscripts of John Barth,
1955-1987 (bulk 1955-1978)
100 items.
19 containers.'

Jonathan

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To: <johnbarth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 1:51 AM
Subject: [johnbarth] New poll for johnbarth


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> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
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> How do you want to discuss Day 14 (ca
> 80 pages):
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>   o over two weeks (initial idea)
>   o over one week (new idea)
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My roommate just got a scanner, so I posted a couple of pics pulled at
random from a shoebox.  Currently I'm neither as red-faced nor long-locked
as in the one, but I'm still as triumphantly farmer-tanned as in the other.

Awright, someone else's turn.

Mark
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on 9/4/02 8:12 AM, Brawner, Mark at mark.brawner@... wrote:

> My roommate just got a scanner, so I posted a couple of pics pulled at
> random from a shoebox.  Currently I'm neither as red-faced nor long-locked
> as in the one, but I'm still as triumphantly farmer-tanned as in the other.
>
> Awright, someone else's turn.
>
> Mark

Alright, I've taken up the challenge and I'm now there too. Both photos are
a couple of years old, but I still look much the same. No baby-props as with
Mark or spectacular scenery like Kris uses to draw the eye away I'm afraid.

Blair

Jeez, Blair.

You look just like The Catcher from the trapeze school at Club Med,
Ria Bintan, Indonesia, whence I've just come.

Sure you're not really a secret high flyer with international
connections?

Mal.

The following johnbarth poll is now closed.  Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: How do you want to discuss Day 14 (ca
80 pages):

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- over two weeks (initial idea), 5 votes, 62.50%
- over one week (new idea), 3 votes, 37.50%

INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- over two weeks (initial idea)
      - Michael.R.Fenger@...
      - rstock@...
      - studiovheissu@...
      - agrimorfee@...
      - markbrawner@...
- over one week (new idea)
      - barbaras@...
      - stonk@...
      - blair.mahoney@...


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