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#3383 From: Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:25 am
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#3378 From: Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:16 am
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Interview with John Barth: Nov. 12, 2001
City Arts & Lectures and UC Berkeley's Bancroft Library

http://fora.tv/2001/11/12/Interview_with_John_Barth

#3377 From: Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:14 pm
Subject: Incremental Perturbation
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Somehow this Barth essay had escaped my notice until now:

"Incremental Perturbation: How to Know Whether You've Got a Plot or
Not" -- collected in 'Creating Fiction,' Julie Checkoway (Editor),
Story Press (March 15, 2001).

http://www.amazon.com/Creating-Fiction/dp/1884910513/sr=8-1/qid=1156858464/ref=p\
d_bbs_1/104-4158133-5445561?ie=UTF8

#3376 From: Josiah Miller <josiahthemessiah@...>
Date: Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: Pynchon's IV was Giles, Goat-Boy
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Pynchon's new novel, in my opinion is fantastic and I believe there is definitely a lot more underneath the surface that constitutes a second read or more.  I've been studying Pynchon for awhile and took a class in my undergraduate studies that focused on Pynchon.  Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) this was before Against the Day came out.  I truly loved Against the Day.  I also loved Vineland a lot as well.  It seems to me everytime I read a Pynchon book, it becomes one of my favorites.  I could probably read CoL 49 now and feel like its one of my favorites or M&D and have the same feeling.  I do have quite a fondness for GR, M&D and AtD though.  I read an Advanced Copy of Inherent Vice and am now reading the book again more slowly (for one I have other books I am reading and am trying to catch up on some Barth novels I missed and I also want to read IV more carefully the second go around).  To me, Inherent Vice is the one I slapped my knee to the most and it had some beautiful lines towards the second half of the book that reminded me of Vineland and AtD.  I knew from all I heard about the book and all the reviews I was reading what to expect so I wasn't let down in the least.  I don't know if Pynchon could ever let me down, I am a huge fan (I even have some Pynchon tattoos). 
 
There's already an Inherent Vice wiki for those interested, also there are talks about a movie for Inherent Vice being pitched.  There will be a group reading of IV starting in Sept on the Pynchon List.
 
Thanks,
Josiah

--- On Tue, 8/11/09, Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@...> wrote:

From: Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@...>
Subject: Re: [johnbarth] Giles, Goat-Boy
To: johnbarth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 10:53 AM

 
So about an hour after I sent my message on Friday, my wife said to me -- sua sponte -- "after dinner, let's go to the bookstore."

So what we did, and I picked up Inherent Vice (the aforementioned new Pynchon).

It's just under 400 pages, and it's Pynchon all right -- paranoia, hallucinations, laugh-out-loud dumb jokes, a strong possibility of another win in the annual contest for worst literary sex scenes.  But in many ways it seems like Pynchon-lite.  Part of that is because he's self-consciously taken on a light, quick-reading genre, and he's done a hell of a job.  Part of it, though, it feels like he explains away a lot of his jokes. 

I'm developing an idea that that habit, plus certain stylistic quirks (the symmetrical sentence structure Joyce uses in part 3-or-is-it-4 of Portrait to indicate Steven's precocious immaturity shows up here a lot, in the form "so what I did was, was I did X"; there are other odd-but-formulaic recurring structures, too) and the overrall crappiness of the cover -- the illustration looks like something out of a high school drawing class -- are all part of an overall commitment to the mediocrity of pulp/noir.  I hate the idea that the book might be deliberately dumbed-down, but there it is.

I'm also turning over in my head the possible meanings of the lead character's name -- Larry "Doc" Sportello; the last name being Italian for door, or depending on context, window (like a bank teller's window).  Doc Door?  Now that *would* be a sublimely dumb joke.

I picked up Against the Day when it came out, but have not yet finished it.  Actually, not yet halfway.  I picked it up again last week when I heard that Inherent Vice was about to come out.  (K, I sympathize entirely -- if I can't read as fast as Pynchon writes, am I doing something wrong?)  It doesn't have the easy, affable, nostalgic feel of the new book.  But, as an interest in Barth might suggest, I'm drawn to books and writers that create their own idioms, that make the reader develop a new way of reading.

Though, to be honest, Giles was never a favorite of mine.  One I do always mean to re-read, though.

Matt

On 7 Aug, 2009, at 5:01 PM, Krzysztof Majer wrote:

 
Hey everyone,

good to see a few new messages!

>







 

 
Yes, you're right. Sorry.

--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@trebelho rn.com> wrote:
  But the actual quote is -- somewhat less head-scratchingly -- "Ontogeny recapitulates cosmogeny."

Matt






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#3375 From: Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@...>
Date: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: Giles, Goat-Boy
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So about an hour after I sent my message on Friday, my wife said to me -- sua sponte -- "after dinner, let's go to the bookstore."

So what we did, and I picked up Inherent Vice (the aforementioned new Pynchon).

It's just under 400 pages, and it's Pynchon all right -- paranoia, hallucinations, laugh-out-loud dumb jokes, a strong possibility of another win in the annual contest for worst literary sex scenes.  But in many ways it seems like Pynchon-lite.  Part of that is because he's self-consciously taken on a light, quick-reading genre, and he's done a hell of a job.  Part of it, though, it feels like he explains away a lot of his jokes. 

I'm developing an idea that that habit, plus certain stylistic quirks (the symmetrical sentence structure Joyce uses in part 3-or-is-it-4 of Portrait to indicate Steven's precocious immaturity shows up here a lot, in the form "so what I did was, was I did X"; there are other odd-but-formulaic recurring structures, too) and the overrall crappiness of the cover -- the illustration looks like something out of a high school drawing class -- are all part of an overall commitment to the mediocrity of pulp/noir.  I hate the idea that the book might be deliberately dumbed-down, but there it is.

I'm also turning over in my head the possible meanings of the lead character's name -- Larry "Doc" Sportello; the last name being Italian for door, or depending on context, window (like a bank teller's window).  Doc Door?  Now that *would* be a sublimely dumb joke.

I picked up Against the Day when it came out, but have not yet finished it.  Actually, not yet halfway.  I picked it up again last week when I heard that Inherent Vice was about to come out.  (K, I sympathize entirely -- if I can't read as fast as Pynchon writes, am I doing something wrong?)  It doesn't have the easy, affable, nostalgic feel of the new book.  But, as an interest in Barth might suggest, I'm drawn to books and writers that create their own idioms, that make the reader develop a new way of reading.

Though, to be honest, Giles was never a favorite of mine.  One I do always mean to re-read, though.

Matt

On 7 Aug, 2009, at 5:01 PM, Krzysztof Majer wrote:

 

Hey everyone,

good to see a few new messages!

> So, lacking Barth news, anybody laid hands on the new Pynchon yet?

I have literally laid hands on Against the Day, and put it on the shelf, but still haven't read it. But I suppose you mean the new new Pynchon, the title of which I can never remember (something with 'vice' in it?) and which is supposed to be a lean one, Lot 49 / Vineland style. Didn't realize it was out yet. It's so annoying when writers put out new ones before you've read the previous ones! :) And when it's someone not that prolific who does it, it gets even more annoying and makes one wonder where the time goes. I'm mostly stuck with the Canucks and lit crit these days and can hardly squeeze anything else in during the school year...

And yes, thanks for that Giles question, I did a mental reassessment of that one too (still up in my top 3 fave Barthbooks), but the query had been answered by then. Would be fun to reread it yet again some day. Ah well.

All the best to the Barth Bunch. Enjoy the summer while it's still here.

K






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From: Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@trebelhorn.com>
Subject: Re: [johnbarth] Giles, Goat-Boy
To: johnbarth@yahoogroups.com
Received: Friday, August 7, 2009, 10:49 PM

 

No need to apologize.  You asked for help with the cite, and I was trying to make sure it was right.  Plus it gave me an excuse to re-consider Giles, Goat-Boy for a few minutes.  Time better spent than most of mine these days, I'm afraid.  In any case, just trying to lend a hand.


So, lacking Barth news, anybody laid hands on the new Pynchon yet?

Best,
Matt
On 6 Aug, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Nicola Leporini wrote:

 

Yes, you're right. Sorry.

--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@trebelho rn.com> wrote:
  But the actual quote is -- somewhat less head-scratchingly -- "Ontogeny recapitulates cosmogeny."

Matt






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#3374 From: Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 11:54 pm
Subject: Re: Giles, Goat-Boy
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And but also -- incidentally, and not that it rilly matters -- there
is no comma after 'Giles' in the book's title, although there is one
in the text when referring to "Giles, Stoker."

#3373 From: Krzysztof Majer <gryzjer@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: Giles, Goat-Boy
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Hey everyone,

good to see a few new messages!

> So, lacking Barth news, anybody laid hands on the new Pynchon yet?

I have literally laid hands on Against the Day, and put it on the shelf, but still haven't read it. But I suppose you mean the new new Pynchon, the title of which I can never remember (something with 'vice' in it?) and which is supposed to be a lean one, Lot 49 / Vineland style. Didn't realize it was out yet. It's so annoying when writers put out new ones before you've read the previous ones! :) And when it's someone not that prolific who does it, it gets even more annoying and makes one wonder where the time goes. I'm mostly stuck with the Canucks and lit crit these days and can hardly squeeze anything else in during the school year...

And yes, thanks for that Giles question, I did a mental reassessment of that one too (still up in my top 3 fave Barthbooks), but the query had been answered by then. Would be fun to reread it yet again some day. Ah well.

All the best to the Barth Bunch. Enjoy the summer while it's still here.

K






--- On Fri, 8/7/09, Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@...> wrote:

From: Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@...>
Subject: Re: [johnbarth] Giles, Goat-Boy
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Received: Friday, August 7, 2009, 10:49 PM

 

No need to apologize.  You asked for help with the cite, and I was trying to make sure it was right.  Plus it gave me an excuse to re-consider Giles, Goat-Boy for a few minutes.  Time better spent than most of mine these days, I'm afraid.  In any case, just trying to lend a hand.


So, lacking Barth news, anybody laid hands on the new Pynchon yet?

Best,
Matt
On 6 Aug, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Nicola Leporini wrote:

 

Yes, you're right. Sorry.

--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@trebelho rn.com> wrote:
  But the actual quote is -- somewhat less head-scratchingly -- "Ontogeny recapitulates cosmogeny."

Matt





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#3372 From: Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: Giles, Goat-Boy
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No need to apologize.  You asked for help with the cite, and I was trying to make sure it was right.  Plus it gave me an excuse to re-consider Giles, Goat-Boy for a few minutes.  Time better spent than most of mine these days, I'm afraid.  In any case, just trying to lend a hand.

So, lacking Barth news, anybody laid hands on the new Pynchon yet?

Best,
Matt
On 6 Aug, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Nicola Leporini wrote:

 

Yes, you're right. Sorry.

--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@trebelhorn.com> wrote:
  But the actual quote is -- somewhat less head-scratchingly -- "Ontogeny recapitulates cosmogeny."

Matt




#3371 From: Nicola Leporini <nicola_leporini@...>
Date: Thu Aug 6, 2009 8:38 pm
Subject: Giles, Goat-Boy
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Thank you again.

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  Welcome. It's the same for both for both the Doubleday first edition

and the Anchor Books paperback.




#3370 From: Nicola Leporini <nicola_leporini@...>
Date: Thu Aug 6, 2009 8:37 pm
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Yes, you're right. Sorry.

--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@...> wrote:
  But the actual quote is -- somewhat less head-scratchingly -- "Ontogeny recapitulates cosmogeny."

Matt



#3369 From: Matt Trebelhorn <matt.lists@...>
Date: Thu Aug 6, 2009 7:53 pm
Subject: Re: Giles, Goat-Boy
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But the actual quote is -- somewhat less head-scratchingly -- "Ontogeny recapitulates cosmogeny."

Matt
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Page 7 (Volume 1, First Reel, Part 1.)

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM,
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> Hi everybody,
>
> can you tell me where exactly in Giles, Goat-Boy is the sentence "ontology recapitulates cosmogeny"?
> I don't have the book with me but I need the information.
>
> Thanks,
> N.
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#3368 From: Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...>
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Welcome.  It's the same for both for both the Doubleday first edition
and the Anchor Books paperback.

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> Thank you very much. Can you tell me the edition as well?
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> N.
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> --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...> wrote:
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> Page 7 (Volume 1, First Reel, Part 1.)
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#3367 From: Nicola Leporini <nicola_leporini@...>
Date: Thu Aug 6, 2009 6:20 pm
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Thank you very much. Can you tell me the edition as well?

N.

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Page 7 (Volume 1, First Reel, Part 1.)




#3366 From: Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...>
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Page 7 (Volume 1, First Reel, Part 1.)

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM,
nicola_leporini<nicola_leporini@...> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> can you tell me where exactly in Giles, Goat-Boy is the sentence "ontology
recapitulates cosmogeny"?
> I don't have the book with me but I need the information.
>
> Thanks,
> N.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

#3365 From: "nicola_leporini" <nicola_leporini@...>
Date: Thu Aug 6, 2009 6:03 pm
Subject: Giles, Goat-Boy
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Hi everybody,

can you tell me where exactly in Giles, Goat-Boy is the sentence "ontology
recapitulates cosmogeny"?
I don't have the book with me but I need the information.

Thanks,
N.

#3364 From: Barbara Schmidt <barbstoo@...>
Date: Thu May 28, 2009 12:52 am
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glad you asked....
 
one of my holiday presents was Michael Dirda's 'Bound to Please.'  the gift that keeps on giving.  Reminded me a little of the first reading of some of Borges' stories- reading about other unknown books.  It made me want to read many of those books- in process - and reminded me it was time to go back to Borges. Read some Djuna Barnes, a little Machado de Assis.
 
 

 
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...> wrote:


...eh what?

What are you'alls reading these days?

Yr Mark



#3363 From: Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...>
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...eh what?

What are you'alls reading these days?

Yr Mark

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Subject: John Simmons Barth born, 1930, Cambridge, Maryland., 5/26/2009, 12:00 am
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#3361 From: Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...>
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#3360 From: narges montakhabi <narges_montakhabi@...>
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Hi,
I need an e-text of Toga Party, can anyone help me?

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Hi
Do u have an e-version of toga party?
tnx

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Subject: [johnbarth] Re: Where Three Roads Meet
To: johnbarth@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, May 8, 2007, 12:59 PM

--- In johnbarth@yahoogrou ps.com, Blair Mahoney <b1b2@...> wrote:
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> > (Short version: it's just what you'd expect from him, and I loved
it)


I liked it more than his previous two offerings, for certain. Coming
Soon! and Ten Night And A Night (which I am currently rereading, and
remembering why I didn't like it so much) seemed to me very lazy
writing. Here JB is attempting to write real STORIES again, which is
nice, instead of writing about (ho hum) how hard it is to be a senior
aged, liberally-minded writer/professor with writer's block, sailing
in the marshlands with his fabulously sexy and intellectual wife while
the world seems to be going to heck in a handbasket.




#3359 From: narges montakhabi <narges_montakhabi@...>
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Hi
Do u have an e-version of toga party?
tnx

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To: johnbarth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 8, 2007, 12:59 PM

--- In johnbarth@yahoogrou ps.com, Blair Mahoney <b1b2@...> wrote:
>
> > (Short version: it's just what you'd expect from him, and I loved
it)


I liked it more than his previous two offerings, for certain. Coming
Soon! and Ten Night And A Night (which I am currently rereading, and
remembering why I didn't like it so much) seemed to me very lazy
writing. Here JB is attempting to write real STORIES again, which is
nice, instead of writing about (ho hum) how hard it is to be a senior
aged, liberally-minded writer/professor with writer's block, sailing
in the marshlands with his fabulously sexy and intellectual wife while
the world seems to be going to heck in a handbasket.



#3358 From: Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:51 pm
Subject: Academic Earth
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"Thousands of video lectures from the world's top scholars"

http://academicearth.org/

E.g.:

The American Novel Since 1945
Amy Hungerford, Yale

http://academicearth.org/courses/the-american-novel-since-1945

Lecture 11 - John Barth, Lost in the Funhouse

http://academicearth.org/lectures/john-barth-lost-in-the-fun-house

#3357 From: Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Wed Mar 4, 2009 8:34 pm
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#3356 From: Mark Brawner <mark.brawner@...>
Date: Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:41 pm
Subject: Fwd: Barth reading at Washinton College
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Just want to let you all know we'll have a reading by John Barth at
the Rose O'Neill Literary House of Washington College, Saturday May
16, at 2 p.m.

Best,

Josh Shenk

Joshua Wolf Shenk
Director, The Rose O'Neill Literary House
Washington College
lithouse.washcoll.edu

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Date: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:39 pm
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1a. Re: Barth on life-changing art
Posted by: "Mal McCormack" malmc_y@... malmc_y
Date: Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:19 am ((PST))
--- In johnbarth@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...> wrote:
>
> Brief little bit from late last year that I stumbled across today
> > --------------
> What piece of art changed your life? How did it affect you?
> >
http://www.baltimoremagazine.net/allthepiecesmatter/index.php/2008/10/life-changing-art-john-barth/
>
Wow! He splits the infinitive in the second-last line.
Ah, well.

The article, or maybe Barth, appears to have the 17-volume Burton set from
the Johns Hopkins library being currently resident in Barth's house.

Bruce B. Reynolds, Trailing Edge Technologies, Glenside PA

#3354 From: "Mal McCormack" <malmc_y@...>
Date: Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:19 pm
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--- In johnbarth@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Brawner" <mark.brawner@...> wrote:
>
> Brief little bit from late last year that I stumbled across today
>
> --------------
> What piece of art changed your life? How did it affect you?
>
>
http://www.baltimoremagazine.net/allthepiecesmatter/index.php/2008/10/life-chang\
ing-art-john-barth/
>

Wow!  He splits the infinitive in the second-last line.

Ah, well.

MY (reading) life was forever changed when I chanced upon "The
Sot-Weed Factor".

Was that really back in 1964?

It was.

Jeez.

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