Last week I posted a short note on a Principal Component Analysis on the use of words in John's Gospel. One group was: chapter 2, 19, 20. Today it occured to...
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panderso@...
May 4, 2000 12:41 pm
... This is Lindars' view; he believes the Temple cleansing was moved from the end of Jesus' ministry (ch.10ff.) to the beginning (ch.2) in order to make way...
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Moloneyfj@...
May 4, 2000 12:59 pm
Dear Group As far as the Temple episode is concerned, we must first take into account the Markan theological agenda. It HAS to be at the end, because that is...
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Jeffrey L. Staley
staleyjl@...
May 4, 2000 5:10 pm
(the content or some content of) chapter two was maybe much nearer to the end in a possible source of John. Maybe the temple-cleansing was originally near the...
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Maluflen@...
May 4, 2000 7:30 pm
In a message dated 5/4/2000 6:50:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, willker@... writes: << Today it occured to me that (the content or some content...
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Peter Hofrichter
Peter.Hofrichter@...
May 4, 2000 7:58 pm
The contrary is the case. The Gospel of Joh shows the original order and place of the cleansing of the temple. According to Mal 3,1-3 the coming of the...
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Ken Durkin
ind.fin.choices@...
May 4, 2000 8:38 pm
... From: <panderso@...> To: <johannine_literature@egroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [John_Lit] Order in John ... ...
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Maluflen@...
May 4, 2000 10:49 pm
In a message dated 5/4/2000 4:39:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ind.fin.choices@... writes: << Perhaps the "wrong order" is the Fourth Gospel in the...
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Ken Durkin
ind.fin.choices@...
May 4, 2000 11:15 pm
... From: <Maluflen@...> To: <johannine_literature@egroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [John_Lit] Order in John ... not ... ...
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Maluflen@...
May 4, 2000 11:16 pm
In a message dated 5/4/2000 3:59:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Peter.Hofrichter@... writes: << The contrary is the case. The Gospel of Joh shows the...
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Stephen C. Carlson
scarlson@...
May 5, 2000 4:22 am
... Parker, Pierson, "John and John Mark," JBL 79/2 (1960), floated the suggestion that the John Mark mentioned in Acts is the author of the Fourth Gospel. As...
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Ken Durkin
ind.fin.choices@...
May 5, 2000 7:51 am
... From: Stephen C. Carlson <scarlson@...> To: <johannine_literature@egroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [John_Lit] Order...
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Richard
keras@...
May 5, 2000 11:35 am
Perhaps order is not chronological order. Perhaps order is, as suggested by Michael Goulder, liturgical order based on the weekly readings in the synagogue....
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panderso@...
May 5, 2000 1:23 pm
... This is what most scholars think, of course, and I believe they are wrong. With Moloney, John's rendering has legitimacy beyond its theological concerns,...
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Mark Goodacre
M.S.Goodacre@...
May 5, 2000 1:36 pm
... Yes, it has been explored a couple of times, with most impact by Aileen Guilding in _The Fourth Gospel and Jewish Worship_. Her book, which came out in...
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Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad@...
May 5, 2000 2:13 pm
... I have had almost nothing to say in my lurking days on this list, although I read it regularly (do I have the guts to say, "religiously"?) But I must say a...
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Ken Durkin
ind.fin.choices@...
May 5, 2000 2:48 pm
... From: <panderso@...> To: <johannine_literature@egroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 2:26 PM Subject: Re(2): [John_Lit] Order in John ... not ...
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Jeffrey L. Staley
staleyjl@...
May 5, 2000 5:55 pm
... Paul, I appreciate your willingness to challenge us NT scholars to carefully look at the logic of our arguments and to challenge the presuppositions of...
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Moloneyfj@...
May 5, 2000 6:30 pm
Fellow groupers, Jeffrey Staley has just made a point that has been "lurking" with me for the past 12 months. The "list" would make Bernard, the two Beckers...
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ProfRam@...
May 5, 2000 7:53 pm
Jeff and Frank have put their finger on why some of us have only been lurking (and maybe only skimming the list) lately. Reading the text has largely given way...
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Ken Durkin
ind.fin.choices@...
May 5, 2000 11:39 pm
... From: <ProfRam@...> To: <johannine_literature@egroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [John_Lit] Order in John and other stuff ......
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Maluflen@...
May 6, 2000 12:36 am
In a message dated 5/5/2000 1:56:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, staleyjl@... writes: << Eggus to Pascha is a great example (as we discussed earlier). It...
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Horace Jeffery Hodges
jefferyhodges@...
May 6, 2000 9:45 am
... In a message dated 5/5/2000 1:56:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, staleyjl@... writes: << Eggus to Pascha is a great example (as we discussed earlier)....
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Horace Jeffery Hodges
jefferyhodges@...
May 6, 2000 9:46 am
... In a message dated 5/5/2000 1:56:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, staleyjl@... writes: << Eggus to Pascha is a great example (as we discussed earlier)....
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Roberta Allen
rob@...
May 6, 2000 12:17 pm
Dear all Having spent the last few years studying John's Gospel and just completed a book on it I feel reasonably confident I can contribute to this this...
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Rev. Rodney J. Koopmans
RodinSt.X@...
May 6, 2000 2:25 pm
As a pastor and student of the Fourth Gospel , IMHO, the issue is not the Gospel writer's view of history, rather what the writer understands Jesus "doing to"...
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Stephen C. Carlson
scarlson@...
May 6, 2000 2:36 pm
... For those who identify John Mark as the Fourth Evangelist, I would like to know how they deal with Papias' testimony, because it is that part that gives me...
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Maluflen@...
May 6, 2000 4:22 pm
In a message dated 5/6/2000 5:46:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jefferyhodges@... writes: << (Also, in English, "agenda" can be used as a singular and...
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Matson, Mark A. (Acad...
MAMatson@...
May 6, 2000 5:10 pm
Is it so obvious that a late setting for the temple cleansing was in John's source? I agree with Paul A. that the arguments for displacement are not as ...
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panderso@...
May 6, 2000 5:20 pm
johannine_literature@egroups.com writes: ... A great point from the start! Language is always symbolic. And, the Johannine Jesus does speak in the...
