Earlier I suggested that "ho logos ein pros ton theon" of John 1:1 would be better translated as "the Word was in God's presence" or “in God's awareness,"...
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Bob MacDonald
drmacdonald_...
Jan 11, 2009 4:41 am
Kevin Unfortunately, this post of yours is unreadable I suggest you put posts that are this long in a blog which can handle the length and the Unicode. And...
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Kevin Snapp
kalvachomer
Jan 11, 2009 8:47 pm
Bob, I'm sorry the post is unreadable. Is it actually unreadable for you, or do you just mean "ridiculously long"? It's readable on my screen, Greek and all,...
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Bob MacDonald
drmacdonald_...
Jan 11, 2009 9:24 pm
Kevin I always enjoy a well reasoned paper. The problem here is that yahoo groups destroys your Unicode so the Greek is all in strange double characters ...
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Horace Jeffery Hodges
jefferyhodges@...
Jan 11, 2009 11:23 pm
Starting a blog with Blogger is indeed easy, and free, but mine has been missing from the internet since Friday, and if you try to reach it here... ...
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Marty
zilabon
Jan 20, 2009 2:39 pm
Philoi, I am visiting graduate schools in Early Christian Studies, and I met with one particular Professor here in Southern California. I suppose I must not be...
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Matson, Mark (Academic)
markmatsona
Jan 21, 2009 1:26 am
Marty: There is a variety of views -- but I guess you already have sensed that. Nothing in scholarship is unified, after all. I think the majority of scholars...
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Stephen C. Carlson
scarlson_min...
Jan 21, 2009 5:01 am
... Mark Matson had already answered your main question. I just would like to point out that a good case for moving the dating of P52 to c.150 plus or minus a...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
Jan 21, 2009 10:25 pm
... From: "Marty" <zilabon@...> To: <johannine_literature@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [John_Lit] On the dating of...
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Kevin Snapp
kalvachomer
Jan 21, 2009 10:42 pm
Bob, Just a quick response to your blog suggestion. After some thought, I decided not to go that route. I'll just avoid Greek here on Yahoo in the future, and...
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Matson, Mark (Academic)
markmatsona
Jan 22, 2009 3:13 am
Thanks, Stephen, for that note on dating of P 52. I actually find "external"; (e.g. manuscript basis) to be my last point of argumentation. As frequently...
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bill ace
zilabon
Jan 22, 2009 4:21 pm
Dear fellows, Mark, yes it was Claremont! My obscurantism was not vague enough for you. The school's scholarship was so radical that it really shook...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Jan 22, 2009 5:05 pm
Can someone here point me to one or two books or articles which could be used in a footnote to buttress the claim that it is usually maintained by...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Jan 22, 2009 5:26 pm
Make that "the historical unreliability OF the sayings of Jesus in GJohn. Jeffrey -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Chicago, Illinois ...
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bill ace
zilabon
Jan 22, 2009 5:41 pm
Dear Jeffrey, There's a book I know called "Challenging Perspectives on the Gospel of John," edited by John Lierman that came out in 2006; it's full...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Jan 22, 2009 5:50 pm
... Thanks for this. But it looks like the page on which one might find a list of all those who have maintained the position I'm seeking bibliographical...
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Stephen C. Carlson
scarlson_min...
Jan 22, 2009 8:53 pm
... IIRC, Nongbri argues up to 50 years on either side (he seems to think that even an early third cen. date is possible). The problem with dating P52 by...
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Kevin Snapp
kalvachomer
Jan 23, 2009 2:33 am
... Marty, An important question if one is in search of the "historical Jesus." I can't claim the erudition of some here. I am a Jewish lawyer, drawn into...
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Elizabeth Danna
ejdanna@...
Jan 24, 2009 5:50 pm
For a (properly cautious) argument for an early date see Craig L. Blomberg, _The Historical Reliability of John's Gospel_ , Downers Grove IL: IVP, 2001: 41-44....
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Elizabeth Danna
ejdanna@...
Jan 24, 2009 6:03 pm
... Hi Jeffrey; FWIW I can give you two scholars who argue for the historical reliability of John; if I understand you correctly, you are looking to find who...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Jan 24, 2009 7:00 pm
... Thanks, Dana. Actually I'm looking for one or two representative voices of the position that the sayings material in John is not to be taken as ...
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Paul Anderson
pna4601
Jan 24, 2009 7:27 pm
Thanks, Mark, good work. Two scholars in Europe who have argued for an early dating of John are Klaus Berger and Peter Hofrichter. Look at their work for...
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Elizabeth Danna
ejdanna@...
Jan 25, 2009 6:17 pm
... Sorry, Jeffrey, I guess I didn't make myself clear. I understand that Dodd and Blomberg hold a position opposite to the one you're looking to support....
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Paul Anderson
pna4601
Jan 26, 2009 6:45 am
Thanks, Jeffrey, the most extensive analysis of the literature regarding historical problems with John's presentation of Jesus that I am aware of is covered in...
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Elizabeth Danna
ejdanna@...
Feb 6, 2009 3:54 pm
Hi All; Now it's my turn to ask for bibliography help. Does anyone know of any work done on the relationship between Jesus and "his own" in John? Thanks in...
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Kevin Snapp
kalvachomer
Mar 10, 2009 6:45 pm
Greetings/Shalom/Xaire Is there a NT Greek expert who would take a look at Jn. 4:22 with me? I'm in the awkward position of thinking I know better than the...
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Gary Manning
eutychusnerd
Mar 11, 2009 7:35 am
Just a couple of quick thoughts on this question. First, you raise an interesting point about the nature of Samaritan worship and John's response to it, but I...
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Kevin Snapp
kalvachomer
Mar 11, 2009 6:46 pm
Thanks for responding, Gary. I asked the question because my Greek is unfortunately limited to what I can look up; I don't read the NT in Greek. I knew that...
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Stephen C. Carlson
scarlson_min...
Mar 12, 2009 11:22 pm
... The text is: hUMEIS PROSKUNEITE hO OUK OIDATE. hHMEIS PROSKUNOUMEN hO OIDAMEN, hOTI hH SWTHRIA EK TWN IOUDAIWN ESTIN. I'm not sure the proposal works,...
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Kevin Snapp
kalvachomer
Mar 17, 2009 2:24 am
... Hi, Stephen, Thanks for your input. I seem to be having trouble with English as well as Greek, because I don't think we're understanding each other. I...
