<Jack> ... speak, read, write and interpret New Testament Greek. I am beginning to get the uncomfortable suspicion that you are a "lexicon" graecist....
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Bill Ross
billrossfamily
May 8, 2005 11:20 pm
<Bill> ISTM that John is quite adamant that Jesus is not "under the law." One clear example is this: Joh 5:16 So on this account the Jews went persecuting...
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Lisbeth S. Fried
lizfried@...
May 8, 2005 11:29 pm
What I liked about Bill Ross' translation is the pronoun "it" for logos. It makes no sense in English to refer to word or utterance or whatever by "him". :Him"...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
May 8, 2005 11:57 pm
... How about the one -- of which, if you do read Greek as you claim you do, you are inexplicably oblivious -- regarding participles as having to agree with...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
May 9, 2005 12:43 am
... From: "Bill Ross" <BillRoss@...> To: <johannine_literature@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: RE: [John_Lit] John...
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fmmccoy
FMMCCOY@...
May 9, 2005 3:32 am
... From: "Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried@...> To: <johannine_literature@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: RE: [John_Lit] John...
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Mike Grondin
mwgrondin
May 9, 2005 6:19 am
Bill- The discussion you've generated seems now to be concentrating on the word LOGOS, but it seems to me that at least 'utterance' is in the ballpark, whereas...
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Bill Ross
billrossfamily
May 9, 2005 6:59 am
... <Jeffrey> ... "straw man" <B> http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/straw.php Definition: The author attacks an argument which is different from, and...
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Bill Ross
billrossfamily
May 9, 2005 7:00 am
I trust this has been addressed. My primary appeal is to the Gen 1 context, supported by the lexicons which show the usage of "utterance" as legit. Here is my...
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Lisbeth S. Fried
lizfried@...
May 9, 2005 12:57 pm
... all of you for ... that my ... to ... engage in ... class in ... eligibility ... in ... this is ... Dear Frank, Et. al. How well is well? I've had two...
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Lisbeth S. Fried
lizfried@...
May 9, 2005 12:58 pm
Why is everyone down on Bill Ross? What is the difference between "the utterance" and "the word"? just curious. Liz Fried Ann Arbor...
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Joe Gagne
joegagne@...
May 9, 2005 1:55 pm
... I looked back in my Greek New Testament, and I remember what a wonderful Greek professor pointed out: "When a predicate nominative is put in front, drop...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
May 9, 2005 5:25 pm
... For the same reason that you would be "down" on the person whom you discovered, when you were in a doctors office for treatment, had no medical...
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McGrath, James
JamesFrankMc...
May 9, 2005 5:35 pm
I think there is some room for debate about whether the Logos is 'personal' prior to becoming the person of Jesus. I'd recommend on this subject Maurice Wiles'...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
May 9, 2005 6:16 pm
... From: "Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried@...> To: <johannine_literature@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: RE: [John_Lit] John...
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Lisbeth S. Fried
lizfried@...
May 9, 2005 6:20 pm
... the TDNT ... (found ... "let there ... a ... is ... that ... and by ... lays down ... same ... Wis. of ... person**, ... Dear Jeffrey, This is very...
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Bill Ross
billrossfamily
May 9, 2005 6:22 pm
<Jeffrey> ... you are inexplicably oblivious -- regarding participles as having to agree with the case and the gender of that which they qualify? Can you tell...
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Bill Ross
billrossfamily
May 9, 2005 6:25 pm
<Jack> ... looking individual words up? <Bill> I read significantly large passages without any problem, but in other spots I am more dependent on help. And no,...
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Bill Ross
billrossfamily
May 9, 2005 6:28 pm
<Mike> ... reject, hate, etc), therefore John must have had a special meaning of KOSMOS in mind - one that didn't include planets, bees, and trees, e.g. But...
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Lisbeth S. Fried
lizfried@...
May 9, 2005 6:31 pm
... proposed ... put in ... "...and God was ... Yes, I remember my Greek teacher saying the same thing. In what sense tho did GJohn consider the Logos to be...
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Horace Jeffery Hodges
jefferyhodges@...
May 9, 2005 6:48 pm
... and the Logos was a god.<< ... remember what a wonderful Greek professor pointed out: "When a predicate nominative is put in front, drop 'the' .....". kai...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
May 9, 2005 7:29 pm
... First off, your claim that your contention about the meaning of LOGOS in Jn 1:1 is supported by "the lexicons" (plural) is overstated, since you only...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
May 9, 2005 7:36 pm
... Sorry to hear it. But at the risk of seeming unsympathetic, I cannot see how not remembering to lift up the kick stand on your bike (which, BTW...
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Mike Grondin
mwgrondin
May 9, 2005 8:00 pm
... recognize him." No, this is not an apt analogy. ... I'm not sure what you mean by that, but it worked for the ancients. In fact, it may be the crux of the...
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R. Robert Jenkins
rrobertjenks
May 9, 2005 9:25 pm
... Can you provide us with any evidence for this statement? I have some handbooks on the Gospel of John written by translators, some commentaries in which the...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
May 11, 2005 12:07 am
I have been challenged by Bill Ross to show that someone other than myself (and Goethe, BTW) has thought that "purpose" gets to the heart of what the author of...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
May 15, 2005 1:33 am
... To which Jeffrey Gibson responded with: "In the first place, it does not follow from admitting that Jn 1:1 contains a referent to Gen 1 that (hO) LOGOS can...
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Fred Guyette
fguyette@...
May 17, 2005 1:52 pm
"Sacraments in John." The abstract of Thyen's article (see below) promises a neat overview of the state of the question -- however, I can't read German -- is...
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khs@...
kymhsm
May 20, 2005 2:04 pm
Dear List members, After about three years working on it I have recently completed and published the fourth (and final!!!) edition of my book on the structure...
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Mike Sullivan
iamwithchrist
May 21, 2005 6:19 pm
Here's a nifty translator, while it's not perfect it is better than nothing. http://babel.altavista.com/tr ... ...
