... One almost ... to the ... the light ... The ruling class had been Hellenistic in outlook since the Seleucid period. A likely source of the insistence of...
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fmmccoy
FMMCCOY@...
May 1, 2004 7:57 pm
... From: "Bill Bullin" <bill.bullin@...> To: <johannine_literature@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [John_Lit]...
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Bill Bullin
williambullin
May 2, 2004 8:51 pm
Dear Frank, Let me first take the oppoutunity to say that I've not forgotten an off list reply I owe you. No reflection on its challenge; it is in the...
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Bill Bullin
williambullin
May 3, 2004 2:24 am
... been ... Johannine ... light ... Hello Martin. I suspect our trains of thought are passing each other a bit. The most I was saying, almost too embarrassed...
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Martin Edwards
big_mart_2003
May 3, 2004 5:37 pm
... historical point ... Class of ... Tcherikover: Hellenism and the Jews. Regards, Mart....
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John M. Noble
jonob@...
May 4, 2004 6:53 am
... This discussion is interesting, but seems to me to miss the real difficulty. In Matthew 6v15, the possibility of not forgiving sins is not present. Yet the...
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Bill Bullin
williambullin
May 5, 2004 12:10 am
... *The Ruling ... Bill: As in the Israeli historian and papyrologist, Victor Tcherikover, *Hellenistic Civilization and the Jews*, (1966)? Incidentally,...
4686
geomelick@...
May 5, 2004 3:32 pm
Bill: According to my reconstruction of the Last Supper, Mark, as the youngest of the disciples, was washing the disciples' feet. When the controversy...
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McGrath, James
JamesFrankMc...
May 5, 2004 3:35 pm
An interesting suggestion, but I'm probably not alone in desiring more information. What evidence do you have that John Mark was present at this meal, was the...
4688
Bill Bullin
williambullin
May 5, 2004 10:53 pm
... Bill Bullin comments: According to Raymond Brown, AB Vol. I (1971), 512-513, PISTEUEIN is used 98 times in the Fourth Gospel. However of these 98 examples...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
May 5, 2004 11:39 pm
In continuing this thread, I use a recent post to expand on it. ... I then replied, on the same day, ... So, David, we have an answer to your question,...
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geomelick@...
May 6, 2004 1:25 pm
James: My hypothesis is based on two suggestions about Mark. The first is that he was the BD and the second is that he was the son of Simon Peter. The latter...
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Bill Bullin
williambullin
May 11, 2004 6:20 pm
Dear James Small clues as to the identity of the BD may well lie in asking some historical and sequential questions concerning the 'night Jesus was betrayed'...
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Bill Bullin
williambullin
May 13, 2004 6:05 pm
Bob: In continuing this thread, I use a recent post to expand on it. ... in ... not ... as ... catechism...> Bob: I then replied, on the same day, ... Bob: Now...
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Martin Edwards
big_mart_2003
May 13, 2004 8:14 pm
... designation of ... realistic ... <snip> It cannot be assumed that there was any betrayal. It is not the primary meaning of "paradidwmi". Certainly it...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
May 13, 2004 9:17 pm
... So far as I can see from a review of the data in LSJ, "delivered over" or "delivered up" not "arrest" is the "primary meaning" that PARADIWMI has when ...
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Bill Bullin
williambullin
May 14, 2004 2:47 pm
Dear Martin Any proposed similarity between Jesus and Joseph in respect of being *sent* by their respective F(f)athers , to their own but their own receiving...
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Martin Edwards
big_mart_2003
May 15, 2004 8:13 pm
... over" or ... has when ... I was abbreviating a little, but one of the meanings in Liddell and Scott is "handed over to justice". ... (have you ... as you...
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Martin Edwards
big_mart_2003
May 15, 2004 8:13 pm
... "Mark" and ... source ... brothers ... No, as I said, I was leaving that on one side. I meant "whichever it was". Regards, Mart....
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
May 16, 2004 1:30 am
... More than a little, as the entry -- which I've reproduced below -- shows. ... Yes, but this is listed as the 3rd of its "meanings";, where as "betray" is ...
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Bob MacDonald
drmacdonald_...
May 16, 2004 5:41 am
Does the history of baptism justify the question of those sent from the Pharisees (John 1:24)? It seems to imply that for John to be baptizing requires that he...
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Martin Edwards
big_mart_2003
May 16, 2004 12:37 pm
... disciples, ... is not as ... My claim, and I admit that it is only that, that the literary device of betrayal is being used to discredit Jesus's family is...
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Martin Edwards
big_mart_2003
May 16, 2004 12:39 pm
... More likely that there was as yet no group known as Christians. Eisenman is far from proving his argument that the leader of the mob was Paul himself, or...
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Bill Bullin
williambullin
May 16, 2004 12:55 pm
Dear Martin How would you propose reading Acts 1:21 and 15:22-23 in the light of your analysis of I Corinthians 11:23 and given your dependence on Acts, as ...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
May 16, 2004 4:10 pm
... Problem is -- is that you haven't shown that it **is** a "literary device", let alone "only" a literary device, or that there would be any good reason for...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
May 16, 2004 4:27 pm
... But didn't you claim that Paul's use of PARADIDWMI argued against taking him as one who thought there was a betrayal? If so, then your "writer dependent on...
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Martin Edwards
big_mart_2003
May 17, 2004 10:22 pm
... device", let ... reason for those ... No, I haven't shown it conclusively, but I think I have gone a long way towards establishing motive. Those who wish...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
May 17, 2004 10:37 pm
... No you haven't, actually. ... Curiously, the very figure these unidentified non Jews (Mark, Luke? John, Matthew? -- early Gospel commentators?) allegedly...
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Martin Edwards
big_mart_2003
May 17, 2004 10:47 pm
... taking him as ... dependent on him" ... betrayal from ... You have me nearly right but not quite. I do not think that Paul thought that there was any...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
May 17, 2004 11:26 pm
... From: "Martin Edwards" <martin.edwards5@...> To: <johannine_literature@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:59 PM Subject: Re:...
