Hi all, Concerning: the term HIGH and LOW christology: In R. Brown, An introduction to NT Christology, the high seems to be reserved for those 'titles', which ...
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Mike Grondin
mwgrondin
Feb 15, 2004 2:40 pm
... Hi Frides, Could you give some examples of what some of these others have said that you find similar to what's in GJn? Mike Grondin...
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Joseph Codsi
joseph5@...
Feb 15, 2004 10:31 pm
Wieland Willker wrote, quoting Robertson (Wordpictures): "This ignorance of the fact that Jesus was actually born in Bethlehem belongs to the Jews, not to John...
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Bill Bullin
williambullin
Feb 15, 2004 10:33 pm
... Bill Bullin suggests: If we assume for a moment that the BD was not merely a literary fiction and if we also assume that there could be some historical...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Feb 15, 2004 11:36 pm
... I did not write the following quote, even though I agree with it. Bob ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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McGrath, James
JamesFrankMc...
Feb 16, 2004 3:05 pm
The thing that seems to be ignored in these cases is the significant DIFFERENCES between John and Paul or Matthew. All three use Wisdom language in relation to...
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David Trapero
davidt303
Feb 16, 2004 3:58 pm
... know ... I support (with minor qualifications) your third alternative, Mike. John very likely knew of the Bethlehem tradition but was (as you said)...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Feb 16, 2004 4:35 pm
... know ... David Trapero responded: "I support (with minor qualifications) your third alternative, Mike. John very likely knew of the Bethlehem tradition but...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Feb 16, 2004 5:04 pm
Corrections made to last post. Sorry for not alphabetizing my points. David Trapero ... know ... David Trapero responded: "I support (with minor...
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Mike Grondin
mwgrondin
Feb 16, 2004 6:28 pm
... Two comments here. First, there's a minor prima facie problem for early-daters, unless appeal is made to oral tradition, since the written birth narratives...
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David Trapero
davidt303
Feb 16, 2004 6:57 pm
Matthew Estrada wrote:> ... themes that I have discovered between John 2:1-11 and Exodus 2:11-25. ... text has three rescue scenes, with Moses as the hero in...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Feb 16, 2004 7:24 pm
... Two comments here. First, there's a minor prima facie problem for early-daters, unless appeal is made to oral tradition, since the written birth narratives...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Feb 16, 2004 7:57 pm
David Trapero <Dtrap303@...> wrote: Matthew Estrada wrote:> ... themes that I have discovered between John 2:1-11 and Exodus 2:11-25. ... text has three...
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Mike Grondin
mwgrondin
Feb 16, 2004 8:18 pm
... Me, too, but in a different way. I take 7.28a to be a contrast with 7.28b, somewhat on the order of: "You know me and where I'm from, and (yet) of myself I...
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Matson, Mark (Academic)
markamatson
Feb 16, 2004 8:21 pm
James: I agree that one must be very careful in not over-emphasizing the similarities. But I would be interested in pursuing the similarities (and differences)...
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John E Staton
johnestaton
Feb 16, 2004 9:20 pm
Joseph wrote: "A minimum of intellectual honesty forces us to recognize, as John E Staton admits in his post of February 13, that the author of John 7:40-42...
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McGrath, James
JamesFrankMc...
Feb 16, 2004 10:20 pm
Thanks for your insightful question! I think that, in essence, John and Paul are certainly working in the same realm of ideas. The only question is the degree...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Feb 17, 2004 12:03 am
... I wonder what you make of the fact that in the Discourses 2:19 Epictetus use the same phrase that the woman uses in 1 Kings 17:18?. Was he too picking up...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Feb 17, 2004 12:18 am
... Me, too, but in a different way. I take 7.28a to be a contrast with 7.28b, somewhat on the order of: "You know me and where I'm from, and (yet) of myself I...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Feb 17, 2004 1:10 am
"Jeffrey B. Gibson" <jgibson000@...> wrote: ... I wonder what you make of the fact that in the Discourses 2:19 Epictetus use the same phrase that the...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Feb 17, 2004 3:24 am
... He is not. ... The assumption is hardly erroneous. And you haven't yet proved that what you say is an allusion **is** one. What counts against your view...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Feb 17, 2004 3:35 am
... No, we can't. A famine is a lack of grain, not wine. And a feast where the wine runs out is not a famine, of any sort. You are proof texting to find...
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Mike Grondin
mwgrondin
Feb 17, 2004 6:33 am
... But, you see, he *was* a Galilean. As far as we know, his parents were Galileans and he was raised there. That makes him a Galilean in my book. I don't see...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Feb 17, 2004 11:46 am
"Jeffrey B. Gibson" <jgibson000@...> wrote: ... No, we can't. A famine is a lack of grain, not wine. And a feast where the wine runs out is not a...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Feb 17, 2004 11:53 am
... But, you see, he *was* a Galilean. As far as we know, his parents were Galileans and he was raised there. That makes him a Galilean in my book. I don't see...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Feb 17, 2004 12:11 pm
"Jeffrey B. Gibson" <jgibson000@...> wrote: ... Jeffrey B. Gibson responded: No, we can't. A famine is a lack of grain, not wine. And a feast where the...
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Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000
Feb 17, 2004 1:44 pm
... I think, given what Amos is all about here (describing a siege and a series of national calamities that are an expression of God's punishment of the elite...
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Maluflen@...
Feb 17, 2004 1:59 pm
... Matthew, I have read both your presentation and Jeffrey's response and am inclined to side with your position. Please allow me, however, to reassess my...
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Maluflen@...
Feb 17, 2004 2:39 pm
... Jeffrey, you are introducing elements into this story that are not emphasized, indeed not even alluded to, by the author of the text. The author says...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Feb 17, 2004 5:38 pm
"Jeffrey B. Gibson" <jgibson000@...> wrote: ... Jeffrey B. Gibson responded: "I think, given what Amos is all about here (describing a siege and a...
