... This latter, second purpose is highly questionable, given that John's Jesus seems to care almost nothing for the Law - even going so far to distance...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Dec 13, 2003 1:57 pm
... This latter, second purpose is highly questionable, given that John's Jesus seems to care almost nothing for the Law - even going so far to distance...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Dec 13, 2003 2:23 pm
Hello Charles, Welcome to the Johannine Lit list, and thanks for your comments. My unpublished paper is posted on Joe Gagne's website at...
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Big_Mart_98
Dec 14, 2003 2:56 am
I think W and H raise a good point with the following, though I haven't read enough to know where they went with it: No autograph of any book of the New...
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Mike Grondin
mwgrondin
Dec 14, 2003 7:43 am
Matthew- I owe you an apology for assuming that the sections of your paper contained in some of your notes to the list were exact replicas of portions of the...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Dec 14, 2003 12:36 pm
Mike Grondin <mwgrondin@...> wrote: Matthew- I owe you an apology for assuming that the sections of your paper contained in some of your notes to the...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Dec 14, 2003 1:22 pm
Mike Grondin <mwgrondin@...> wrote: Although I'm still working through the material, one in particular connects with something I mentioned in my last...
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Big_Mart_98
Dec 14, 2003 10:39 pm
... Humble apologies. I posted this to the wrong group: please ignore it....
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Timothy P. Jenney
timothyjenney
Dec 14, 2003 11:55 pm
Come on, guys. Let's do a little reality check. The only way to test such assertions is by looking for other instances of the word, in this case the number 6,...
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Mike Grondin
mwgrondin
Dec 15, 2003 6:03 pm
... This isn't what I'm looking for, Matthew, so I hope you will resist the tendency to "explain all". I'm questioning certain specific portions of your...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Dec 16, 2003 3:11 am
"Timothy P. Jenney" wrote: Come on, guys. Let's do a little reality check. The only way to test such assertions is by looking for other instances of the word,...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Dec 16, 2003 4:12 am
Mike Grondin wrote: Toward the end of your response is a paragraph packed with claims ... The problem I have with this is that wine also connotes blood, and I ...
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mwgrondin@...
mwgrondin
Dec 16, 2003 6:30 pm
... Let's start with this latter claim. You speak of the noun DOXA, but there's also the verb-form "glorify". With respect to the noun DOXA, so far is your...
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John E Staton
johnestaton
Dec 16, 2003 6:52 pm
Never thought I would end up agreeing with Mike Grondin :-), but I think he has a point in relation to the wine/Holy Spirit equivalence. The only time John...
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fmmccoy
FMMCCOY@...
Dec 16, 2003 11:49 pm
... From: "Matthew Estrada" <matt_estrada@...> To: <johannine_literature@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: Re:...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Dec 17, 2003 11:00 am
... Mike Grondin responded: Let's start with this latter claim. You speak of the noun DOXA, but there's also the verb-form "glorify". With respect to the noun...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Dec 17, 2003 11:35 am
John E Staton wrote: Never thought I would end up agreeing with Mike Grondin :-), but I think he has a point in relation to the wine/Holy Spirit equivalence....
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Dec 17, 2003 2:09 pm
... Matthew, Whoa! This all just looks like speculation to me. And in fact, it looks like speculation piled upon speculation. That doesn't necessarily mean...
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matt_estrada@...
matt_estrada
Dec 17, 2003 6:29 pm
... John's Gospel ... of John ... Johannine ... to be ... am ... used many ... have ... both to ... to "water") and ... baptizing with ... connecting the ... ...
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matt_estrada@...
matt_estrada
Dec 17, 2003 8:20 pm
... looks ... mean that ... ranks ... persuaded to ... Grondin ... do well ... not just ... whether ... My response: As I have said to Mike before, I do...
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Bob Schacht
r_schacht
Dec 17, 2003 8:51 pm
... Matthew, I was not objecting to allegorical interpretation per se, but to the methodology involved. Clearly, allegorical interpretation was important among...
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matt_estrada@...
matt_estrada
Dec 17, 2003 9:38 pm
... the ... followers, ... interpretations ... argue ... urge you ... you are ... beliefs are, ... ancient ... My response: I have been trying to present the...
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John E Staton
johnestaton
Dec 17, 2003 11:21 pm
Matthew, Sorry, I can't buy your response. Joel 3: 18 comes a long way after the "Holy Spirit prophecy" at the end of Joel 2, and is separated from it by a...
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Matthew Estrada
matt_estrada
Dec 18, 2003 2:15 am
John E Staton wrote: Matthew, Sorry, I can't buy your response. Joel 3: 18 comes a long way after the "Holy Spirit prophecy" at the end of Joel 2, and is...
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mwgrondin@...
mwgrondin
Dec 18, 2003 6:28 am
Matthew- Although I agree with you in generally rejecting a radically- Philonic interpretation of the Cana allegory, I do think that your own analysis of the...
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Mike Grondin
mwgrondin
Dec 18, 2003 8:25 am
... I found this amusing, John, because I have this favorite saying - "Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while" - that pops into my mind whenever...
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matt_estrada
Dec 18, 2003 1:04 pm
... suggested ... that ... Thanks again, Mike, for your feedback. I am in agreement with you on this point. I do not reject Philo as one possible source of...
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matt_estrada
Dec 18, 2003 1:12 pm
... with. ... Again, Mike, thanks for taking the time to work your way through my NOT user-friendly paper, and for seeing merit in my thesis. I have tried for...
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John E Staton
johnestaton
Dec 18, 2003 7:16 pm
Matthew, You wrote: "I ask you to look at Joel 3:18 (the passage which you state above has no connection to Joel 3 and Amos 9)" Actually, it was the connection...
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fmmccoy
FMMCCOY@...
Dec 18, 2003 11:41 pm
... From: <matt_estrada@...> To: <johannine_literature@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:29 PM Subject: [John_Lit] Re: Water...
