Joe<br><br>I found Gilbert Stuart's (or is it
Stuart Gilbert's)"James Joyce's Ulysses" a very good way
to start. I had picked up Ulysses years ago and had
no idea what was going on but Stuart's book really
gives you the frameworks that Joyce used. And there are
a lot of them. For example, in each chapter Joyce
focuses on a chapter of the Odyssey, a color, a
profession, a part of the human body ... etc.<br><br>Once I
read this introductory work (which was enjoyable in
its own right),it was much easier and much more
rewarding reading Ulysses itself. Ulysses is a very
difficult book, however it is well worth the effort. When I
came to a particularly hard part I just kept reading.
You can always go back and read it again; after all
you are still young.<br><br>I have not really
attempted Finnegans Wake. It seems incomprehensible to me.
Maybe when I retire.<br><br>Good luck<br><br>Chris

i don't guess it would hurt to post a picture or two...<br><br>it adds to a club
to know what the others look like.....

i'll participate in a time honored tradition on
message bases that i've personally seen since 1984....my
first year on bbs's...<br><br>i'll post a msg with
absolutely no content or informational value just so i don't
feel like one of the schmucks that fail to
post....<br><br>better end this now before i actually write something
worth reading....<br><br>-poet

Ms. Sadass, glad to see I am not the youngest in
the group. Actually, I was kind of hoping I could
have garnered that distinction but I see my plot was
foiled! :-) <br>What Joyce class are you taking? I was
going to take a Joyce class here but I am studying
abroad in London next semester so won't be sadly.

My favorite novel of all time is A Portrait of
the Artist as a Young Man, and I suggest you read it
also to get the full Joyce experience. It's much more
accessible than Ulysses or the Wake, and its stream of
consciousness narration is simply beautiful. <br><br>The
approach I took to Ulysses was to dive in fully girded
with annotations, but now I wonder if the best way to
handle it is to simply immerse oneself in the beauty of
the prose. In any case I don't think the book can be
appreciated with only one reading, so read it however you
want, then read it again, pick up a few more details,
then read again and again and again...<br><br>As for
the Wake, well... anything I recommend will be
equally difficult, so good luck, take it slow, and we'll
see you at the other end. =)

mr. fen, unless we differ by a few months, which
we undoubtedly do somehow, you're not exactly the
youngest in the group; i'm also 21, as i believe that
little doodad below my yahoo handle indicates.<br><br>i
might actually have something to post in about three
months, because i might be taking a class on joyce next
semester. everyone hold their breaths! mark your calendars!
yep.

<a href=http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/newyorkirish
target=new>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/newyorkirish</a><br>Check it out- a cool
club...

Why is this club so dormant? Hi wyrdo.

*ponders plan two, admires the noble idea, and picks up his book of annotations
and his gabler edition of ulysses*

Fen,<br><br>There are two ways to get a nearly
full read of Ulysses or Finnegan's Wake:<br><br>(1)
Find one of those Notes for Joyce kind of books that
annotates line by line and read it along with the
book.<br><br>or<br><br>(2) Read every book ever written in Western
civilization previous to Ulysses first. Then try Ulysses.

omg the site is awesome!!!!!!!<br><br><br>so funny!!!!!1

I am a newcomer to this group and thought I might
say hello to the group. I think I jsut may be the
youngest on the club and I hope that my knowledge of Joyce
is close to some of the more established members.
<br>I love the man's writing styles and peculiarities,
such as only speaking in French when at home in
Dublin. I also found it odd that Joyce left Ireland yet
continued to use Dublin as the backdrop for his
stories.<br>I must read "Ulysees" in its entirity as I have
only read small amounts of it- the same goes with
Finnegan's wake. I enjoyed "The Dead", and "Araby" thoroghly
as well as a few his other works in
"Dubliners".<br>Can anyone recommed a good way to truly get teh most
out of the experience of reading "Ulysees" and
"Finnegan's wake"? I have read some of the posts on this club
and many seem to believe in accompanying books to
help the process. Is it a fair assumption to believe
this to be the best way of reading the works?<br>Thank
you,<br>and look forward to enjoying the club with all of
you,<br>Joe

Check the links in the b and L total anarchy club,  poet. I think you are a
member. no?

where can i find it?

utterly hilarious!

The best commentary is:<br><br>Don Gifford, __Ulysses Annotated__, 1989,
University of California Press<br><br>You should be able to find it in any
university bookstore.

hello,<br> Can anyone suggest me a nice guide for Ulysses? I'm wary to accompany
Ulysses on his travels without any aid.<br> 		 - Paritosh.

and, um, sorry about that, but when i enter yahoo clubs on a certain browser
which will here remain unnamed, all my paragraph breaks are deleted.  i really
had some in that last post, really i did.

i was using gifford's (and seidman's!) guide too,
incidentally. and i had to speed up the process for the exact
same reason as you (approaching school year, and need
to review the language that i'm majoring in, which
isn't english). the last few sections i read only
twice(-ish) rather than three times, and i became rather
skilled at sifting out annotations i really wasn't
interested in (geographical locations/street addresses/etc.)
i did indeed finish it though, and approve of the
aforementioned idea/method of opening it up every now and then
and reading a chapter/section again.and that section
i referred to weeks ago-- the one that took me an
especially long time to read, or so it seemed-- was oxen of
the sun.though i wildly approve of long rambling
punctuationless prose poems (i'm serious!), there were parts i
liked better than penelope, i think (like eumaeus and
ithaca).

part 18, "yes" of ulysses is so incredible....i just keep re-reading the last
200 or so words over and over and over......

I've just forged into "Scylla and Charybdis". I'm
using Don Gifford's huge set of annotations, and my
obsession with getting every single allusion and reference
is definitely what's slowing me down in the reading,
but sadly, as the academic year approaches, I find
myself having to speed up my reading if I want to finish
any time this year. sigh. I'm trying to abstain from
reading any criticism or plot summary from outside
sources -- trying to draw my own conclusions about what's
going on.

I read Ulysses back in December and I have been
hook on Joyce ever since. I had help getting through
it though...I bought a book called The New Bloomsday
Book by Harry Blamires, which is basically a book
about a book. I read one chapter from Ulysses and then
the chapter on the chapter from Blamires. It really
helped a lot since the first time I had read the book I
was about 200 pages into it and wasn't to sure what
was going on. Since then I have been reading passages
(chapter here, chapter there) and each reading brings more
things that I neglected the last time I read it. Ulysses
is definitely a universe between the covers of a
book. <br>I have been trying to start Finnegans Wake
for a couple months now, but I have trouble getting
through the first few paragraphs let alone the first
chapter. <br>I just joined the list today. I was also
surprised that there was only one Joyce club also. I was
also surprised by the majority of "younger" people
(under 40) that are in the club. <br>Matthew

i am in quite a similar position as you. ulysses
has also been eating my brain (in a good way of
course) since approx. may 20th, and i, too, generally
have to read each section three times. ultimately it's
worth it, but it's sort of disorienting to be
constantly reading a book and yet never really making any
physical page-wise progress (reminiscent of my reading of
infinite jest-- its endnotes). <br><br>i don't have the
book with me right now, but i'll have to get back to
you on which part took me an especially long time to
get through. i think i'm on something of the home
stretch now.

Ulysses for most of the summer and am currently
in Lestrygonians. I would be done by now but I
insisted on reading each section 3 times before moving on
in hope of capturing the feel of it all. So far my
favorite has been the Hades section.<br><br>Let me just
say now that "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young
Man" is my favorite book ever. I identified with young
Stephen from Chapter I all the way through. It was so
amazing to see something so close to my own childhood and
adolescence in prose form from an author widely considered to
be too out there and all around inaccessble.
<br><br>Anyway, sorry to annoy you all with my self-indulgence. I
look forward to hearing more from you. I couldn't
believe I only found one James Joyce club in Yahoo.

You'll find that and a lot more at:<br><br>
<a href=http://rpg.net/quail/libyrinth/joyce/
target=new>http://rpg.net/quail/libyrinth/joyce/</a><br><br>Great as Molly
Bloom's soliloquy is, it's even greater
if you have read at least some of the main portion
of "Ulysses" that leads up to it.<br>all best,
Miguel J

I thought you knew where to find it . . . Post it, if you do!

Someone really should try to locate a copy of "yes".

My passion for Joyce stems out of Part 4 of
"Portrait." After suffering through the first half of the
book, my soul was touched by the utter beauty of words
composed into a tapestry that we call Part 4 of
"Portrait." <br>I also recently read "Stephen Hero," which is
rumored to be the original manuscript which later came to
be "Portrait." However, I found Stephen Hero to be
much more entertaining and thought provoking. Well,
and I guess if Shephen Daedalus was a real young man,
I'd be in love with him.

Hello, Sara - What is it you like about
Joyce?<br>What have you read of his works? Have you read any of
the biographies? Ever been to Dublin? Fo reasons I am
still in the process of discovering, his work resonates
for me.....<br><br>all best,<br>miguel j

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