Happy birthday, Martina! :)

May the Force be with us,
FireJade



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Happy Birthday, Martina! Wishing you everything happy for your special
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Writers, keep up the great work and share more with us! :)

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Love,

Martina

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Hello everyone! :)
 
OMG, I haven't been here in forever. My deepest apologies-I was kidnapped by
Darth RealLife... :D
 
Okay, since it's been months since I added anything (does that mean it's really
no longer in progress? T_T), I have no problem trying to get people to remember
I actually write. ~_^
 
I haven't posted in a long time, but I plan to once the semester ends. Anyway, I
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Subject: [JSG (The Hub)] File - About posting fics in progress
To: jade-skywalker@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 6:45 AM


 




I have a request/suggestion/ question for everyone. Please, please
don't take this as criticism or blame, but I have a problem with in
progress fics. I know everyone has a real life and writing
fanfiction is just a hobby, and I appreciate the honor you give us
readers by sharing your talent and passion.

However, (you knew it was coming, I know ;) ) There is frequently
long gaps between updates in stories. So much so, that I forget what
happened earlier. I know I can go to the archives and read previous
chapters, but that takes time I don't always have. Would it be
possible to add a small synopsis at the beginning of an update,
especially if it's been some time since the last one? Just a
paragraph or two with the main outline so far. I don't see this a
necessary if the last update is only a few days old, just when it's
been some time. For example, Living Darkness was updated earlier
this month and then not since early September. (I don't mean this to
be disrespectful to Sienn in any way, it's just the most recent
example.)

There are so many great fics going right now that I find it hard to
keep them straight, especially since they all seem to have the same
main characters <g>.

Please, I don't want any writer to think I am ungrateful for the time
and effort they put into doing a great job. I hope you keep it up.

Angela











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Part 2 of this week-end's rousing posts.

If you feel the desire to become a reviewing reader after reading the last
post (which is an excellent and welcome turn of events), but that you think
that you don't know how to write it and that writers will not like what you
write to them, read what follows. It will demystify what the word 'feedback'
really means for the people who crave it in return of their writing and
sharing activities.

Basically, feedback is a free mean to tell the writers what you liked, loved,
and didn't like in their works. It doesn't have to be a novel, or as well
written as the stories that you enjoy. It simply has to 'be' and to be sent to
the writer.

Therefore, feedback can be a one-liner of three words, and it is still a
review.

Of course, the longer the feedback (more than one line), the more useful it is
to the writers because most of them are not only looking for praise. Instead,
they are eager to hear your comments especially because only you can tell them
what you liked and didn't like in their stories, what you really enjoyed and
what you think needs improvement, didn't match or had you frowning.

Once again, though, such feedback don't have to be extremely long. Just two or
three paragraphs (two lines each) will do the trick, not to mention make the
day of the writer.

Your comments can be about either:
- the ideas expressed in the chapter or the fic
- your emotions while you were reading it
- the quality of the characterizations (in character or out-of-character
(OOC))
- the quality of the writing (flawless, awesome, great, need some work,
need a beta for the grammar, the verb tenses, the punctuation, etc.)
- the realism of the events vs the movies and the official material out
there

As for pointing out elements that need improvement, one pleasant way to do for
both you and the writer is to use the rule of the hamburger ;P

Postive
Improvement possible
Positive

For example: I loved your intriguing ideas and characterizations, but your
sentence structure made it a little bit difficult for me to enjoy them
thoroughly (mostly in regards to the wrong usage of punctuation). However,
this story definitely has potential and I hope you'll keep writing it ;P I'm
curious to know what will happen next ;P



As for fics that you enjoyed, remember that you can express a range of
emotions through adjectives (nice, good, very good, great, terrific, awesome,
addictive, superb, flawless, etc.) and verbs (I liked, I loved, I adored,
etc.). The same thing is through about the things you liked less (uncertain,
confused, disappointed, etc.) (disagree, dislike, etc.) while remaining in
constructive territory.

Other words that can be used to express other types of emotions are:

Hooked
Charmed
Worried
Shocked
Cute
Romantic
Afraid
Terrified
Sweet
Nice
Wow
Bravo!
Applaud
Impressive
Impressed
Creative
Well-developed
Gorgeous
Beautiful
Awwww
Neat
Lovely
(Etc.)


On the other hand, words and attitudes to avoid are:

Direct attacks on the writer as a person
You suck
You shouldn't have written this
Waste of my time
That was not SW
The worst I've ever read (or one of the worse)
Etc.

Those are flames because they don't help the writer to improve his/her
weaknesses; they are only expressed to vent about the lack of fun that the
reader experienced… and that is not how constructive criticism is handled
because first and foremost, no one ever twists your arm to read a fic, and
second, the writer is a human and feeling person just as you and I and should
be respected as such (thus showed a certain level of courtesy and good
manners).


Finally, it is perfectly understandable that preferences will not always be
met by this or that story, but sometimes (like in a group), it is better to
say so at least once instead of never replying because that way, the writer
will know that the lack of feedback is at least not due to his/her writing
talents or the quality of his/her story. Preferences vary, and that's a fact.


So, with that being said, on with the reviews; there are plenty of stories in
the group (and the web) to comment on, and remember that reading and reviewing
an average-length post at the group takes a total of half-an-hour, or less… So
time is not 'that' much of an issue unless you're trying to catch up with
multi-poster stories… but then, if you remain silent, those stories might
never get completed per lack of encouragements in the first place… so just
think about that before remaining a lurker, huh?


Now, let's all have fun reading and reviewing fics :)
Love
The Mod team XXX

The writers speak!!!!

"The most exciting part of completing a story is not finishing it, but having
someone else read it (and receive his/her comments afterward as shown in the
following scene)." (Chloe Sullivan in Smallville)


That about sums it all, yet it barely scratches the surface of what writers
think and feel about writing and sharing stories on the net. Therefore, we
have gathered the opinions and thoughts of JSG writers (past and present) and
insist that if you aren't already a reviewing reader (thus known to the
group), you read this again and try to put yourself in the writers' skin as
you read their honest and open-hearted comments.

Read all their comments carefully, and take a moment to ponder how you can
make sure that we never reach the point where they will put their last
warnings into effect (stop posting and such)… as others have already done.

The questions that I asked them were:

What does feedback represent to you?
Why do you write?
What impact does feedback, or lack thereof, have on you? Your writing? Your
posting habits and choices?
Why did you choose to share your stories at JSG?
In average, how many feedback do you (or did you) receive for your posts at
JSG?  Elsewhere?
Do you recommend JSG to fellow writers as a good place to post fics?
Would you recommend JSG to fellow writers if there were more reviews per post,
(either public or private review)?
Are you considering moving to other posting places, or focusing your efforts
elsewhere? If so, why?
If you don't write anymore, did you stop because of the lack of feedback?

Before you start reading their answers, though, remember that unlike the
professional writers of science-fiction who get a royalty for each book sold
(thus at least know that they are read and that someone has actually paid
money to get their book, not to mention that the more money they make, the
stronger they are confirmed in their talent), fanfic writers don't have any
way of knowing that you read their story, let alone that you enjoyed it…
unless you review and give them feedback on their writing. It is the reality
of writing for fun on the internet, a harsh reality that apathy from readers
turns into a frustrating and discouraging experience. Writing on the internet
is not only the business of those who can write; it's also the business of the
readers, whose responsibility it is to keep the fun going by encouraging the
benevolent and creative writers to keep flexing their writing muscles for us
to enjoy.

Now, with that in mind, here is what the writers of this group have to say
about writing and the importance of feedback in their lives as a fanfic writer.





What does feedback represent to you?

"Feedback always ups my mood. It doesn't only show me that people enjoy what I
write. The more elaborate the better; in the perfect case I want to know what
people liked and also what they disliked. By reading feedback and talking to
readers I get new ideas, and it's something that helps me understand my own
writing better."

"I love feedback. I'm a whore for it...confession time: I repetedly check my
emails for any comments I get. Getting feedback is my cocaine."

" Plain and simple, feedback shows that the fic just read was worth a
response.  When fics are not reviewed, the writer questions why the readers
didn't find anything interesting or enjoyable enough to compel a written
response."

"I am addicted to feedback. I love it for the contact it provides with
readers, I love the feeling of receiving encouragements from readers, and I
just really enjoy discovering that the reader actually had fun reading my
story, that I didn't waste my time (counted in months and years here) writing
it and sharing it. It is also a perfect way for me to find out what worked
well and what didn't and needs improvement in the story, and that is really
useful in my evolution as a writer. If I compare writing to a sundae, than
writing is my ice cream and feedback is both the chocolate sauce and cherry on
it, and somehow, whenever feedback pops unexpectedly in in my mail box, my
sundae is no longer thawed and unappetizing and I long to enjoy it again, or
even to create another one."

"Quite a lot. It’s the reward, the recognition of all your hard work & long
hours planning & writing the story. Feedback is also the best mean to
determine if I’m going in the right direction. I often take notice of my
readers wishes for the future of the story & sometimes, they feedback has even
given me plenty of ideas to new chapters. I often say that my readers help me
write what I do. I can’t do that without feedback, without knowing what they
like & don’t like. Also, when I’m writing a story that is very special & dear
to me, I even keep the feedback! I save the person & that person’s comments &
from time to time go back & read it. That is true inspiration! And motivation
to keep on going!"

" For me, it represents the chance to improve on my writing"

"As an author I can only underline how important feedback is to us. As an
author, I write primarily for myself. I would keep writing regardless of
getting feedback or not. However, whether I would share my writing on such a
broad scale, that is an entirely different question."

" Well, it means that people are reading my stories, which is why I write
them. Plus, I always like to hear what other people think, because it gives me
other ideas."

"Hmmm thats a good question. I guess I would have to say that it helps me to
know what areas I need to work on in my story and also know the ones that
people particularly enjoy Although I no longer specifically write for the
appreciation and recognition of others, but for myself I must admit it helps
when people share with you. ;)?

" Feedback means that someone is reading.  Any kind of feedback, for me, is
acceptable.  Even just a "oh, hey, look!  she posted -- I didn't read it.
your story bores me", at least lets me know that someone spent the time to
read one chapter, recognise the story and pass it by. Admittedly, it's not the
best kind of feedback, but a big hulking void is far worse.  Authors spend
weeks, months, YEARS on these fics -- it's disappointing when you get no
reaction from it."





Why do you write?

"I have enjoyed my years of writing LM fanfics. I was going through divorce
then and writing was cathartic for me especially Luke/Mara love for each
other. I must have written everything that I had lost in real life. I am still
writing at present but I have not gone back to LM writing for years."

" I love SW, I love Luke/Mara. I'd write even if I didn't get feedback, but I
would feel like losing A LOT."

"To get the stories out of my mind...also when I was younger I was never given
very high marks in school for creative writing and I just wanted to know I
could do it."

"I write because it is something I enjoy and a hobby I would hope to one day
turn into a career.  Right now, fanfiction is fun to write and good practice."

"I simply can't help writing; I've always made up stories in my mind, and now
that I know that I can write, I can't stop doing it. It's like going to the
movies all the time, except that 'I' am behind the camera this time. Writing
is also a therapy for me, a way to escape the real world outside for a while,
as well as to let my overactive imagination vent itself instead of turning all
darkside onto me."

"Well, I like/love the subject I write about. I wish to explore it & expand
it. But it’s also a test for myself. How good a writer am I? If I don’t give
it a try I will never know. And since English is not my first language, the
test is even bigger."

" Because I enjoy writing"

" Why do I write, or why do I write things down? I have no personal need to
commit my thoughts to paper, really. When I write a story, it starts as a way
to entertain me. I generally put myself to sleep by writing a story in my
head. Sometimes, I keep the plotline going for several days, redoing it
different ways, and such. But I write down barely a fraction of the stories I
compose for myself- partially because I often steal ideas and plots from other
writers, but mostly because writing takes up a lot of time, and I'm rarely
satisfied with how my thoughts look on paper. When I do write, it's because I
want to be able to discuss the ideas I had with other people, really."

" Why do I write. Because I enjoy it of course. It helps me release my
emotions and pressures that occur in my life in a way thats both healthy and
fullfilling. And sometimes I get these ideas that just wont leave me alone so
I have to write them down."

" I began writing for myself -- that was before I had internet and knew about
this whole "fanfiction" term.  I just knew that I loved the characters and the
worlds and I wanted to play with them.  That's still the case; call it a love
for the fandom.  None of us would be here if we didn't enjoy it."




What impact does feedback, or lack thereof, have on you? Your writing? Your
posting habits and choices?

"I did remember liking the fact that I got feedback from my readers. Whenever
they give me feedback - the good ones especially - I get a warm feeling
inside."

"It might cause writer's block for a while. I will work through that and just
stop posting on the lists in question. No sense in posting if I have to
believe no one's reading."

"To be honest, I just dropped a group because I never recieved any feedback
from members...so I figured I'd find somebody who would apreciate them...like
you good people. :>"

"I try not to be impacted by feedback (especially when there is little to
none) but it's hard to avoid.  When a writer posts a story, they post a part
of themselves, something that hatched in their creative mind, that they strove
to put on paper, so that others could enjoy it.  When no one takes the time to
write a sentence or two about it, there's no way to stop feeling that all the
effort put into the story was a waste. I've never been at a place where the
reviews substantially stood out, so I tend to just post at about five or so
sites, cast the nets around, see what I find.  Though I try not to be offended
by a lack of reviews, it has to be said that encouragement really helps
writer's block.  I've had a SW story gathering dust on my desktop for over a
year.  I know how the story ends, I know how to get there, I know what to
do....I just don't feel like doing it.  No one really cares."

"Lots. When I used to receive a lot of feedback for each new post I shared, I
pushed myself to write more and more and more, to the point that I injured my
shoulders and neck and yet still kept pushing myself. Then, when feedback
began to wane, I stopped pushing myself and slowly but surely withdrew so as
to both heal myself and stop hurting myself with the lack of reaction from the
silent readers. During that time, I completely stopped posting in some groups
and websites, concentrating only on JSG and a few, more active places, but the
continued decrease of feedback drove me further and further away from fanfic
writing. Then, I discovered that someone, who had never 'ever'  reviewed one
of my stories, had still liked it enough to rip off ideas from it and base her
successful story on those (without disclaimers), and it was the last straw. I
removed my fics from the web. Nowadays, I don't expect much feedback anymore
when I post, and that makes me write SW stuff only when I really feel like it,
and I don't plan anymore to share them in very many places… and that will be
when they will be ready, if I ever finish them, but they're just not my
priority anymore although I still love SW and I still write SW stories. I'm
just not sure that using so much of my free time to write those stories is
really that worthwhile considering the near-silence that accompanies their
posts… I've got more than two-hundred SW bunnies to play with, and I know how
to write each and everyone of them, could even 'make' time for them… but I
already enjoy playing with them even in their bunnies form so writing them
becomes a question of whether or not I want to take the necessary time to
develop them and share them in their final form with web friends and reviewing
readers."

"As already mentioned, feedback is the inspiring reward, the fuel to keep on
going. The lack of this fuel & I may risk ending up quitting. Sure, I could
write only for myself but what’s the fun in that? Especially when you know
that your story could be liked/loved by more people than yourself.





Why did you choose to share your stories at JSG?
Simply because it’s a SW friendly place. Anyone who likes SW can read my SW
stories. Doesn’t really matter the place as long as I’m welcomed."

" 3a. What impact does feedback, or lack thereof, have on you? Not much
3b. Your writing? Well because I use FB to improve my stories, my writing
cannot get better
3c. Your posting habits and choices? I tend not to post"

"Mainly, I write 1-shots. Mostly because I'm horribly bad at sticking with
things, and I generally lose interest in a plotline before I'm finished,
otherwise. I think I've only completed 1 fic that was longer than a 1-shot,
and that was only like 7,000 words. My longest fic stalled about 11,000, and I
never finished it. But when I do write longer things, feedback has a huge
impact on me. I never decide what I'm going to do, because I have so many
ideas about what could happen, I never know which one I'll pick until I see
what other people think could or should happen. As of right now I only have
one Star Wars related fic written, and it hardly even counts. It's more of a
prologue than anything, and only like 650 words. I don't write things that are
very long, because I'll get bored with writing it down. I think faster than I
can type, or talk, so I don't usually tell my stories, because I get too
impatient with myself."

"It used to affect me a great deal. But I have decided that while it's always
nice to have feedback and recognition from others. I don't depend on it as
much as I used to. I write for myself and if I feel like sharing it I will no
matter what happens. Of course I must admit it feels really nice when you do
get feedback and recognition. Whether it's good or bad.:)"

" No feedback?  Well, it doesn't much affect my writing except to make me
write slower, but it definitely does make me choose where I post.  If I know a
place where I can get at least SOME feedback, I'm more likely to post there
than at a place where I get none.  If I don't think anyone is reading, I'm not
going to waste my time by prepping a post. "





Why did you choose to share your stories at JSG?

"It was one of the first lists I was on and everyone was very supportive when
I started writing."

"Well, I started off lurking...through another member who would foward stories
that she thought I would like and I was getting pissed off at that other
group, so I figured I'd join. And then after getting the courage I posted the
story I was most proud of...strangely- the easiest story I ever wrote. The
audience seemed very apreciative of the stories that others wrote and it seemd
like a good community."

"I write Luke/Mara fics often, and JSG was the place to post for that
category."

"It was a L/M group, with lots of L/M writers, and the dynamic was very
interesting. I loved the atmosphere of friendship that reigned here, and I
believed that I, too, was part of the good L/M writers."

" Because I like the quality of the stories in this group ( some of the best
I've seen )."

"Because of the people."

" JSG is my original group-home, and my original fandom.  I've been with JSG
since the beginning (barring a few years of silence while I was in college --
the horrors.  ::shudder::), and the group has always been good to me.  There
is a core group of extremely talented writers that I am ecstatic to have been
able to post and chat with.  I haven't been to the group in a while,
admittedly (that whole college thing), but we were a chatty group when I left,
and the sense of community was great."





In average, how many feedback do you (or did you) receive for your posts at
JSG?  Elsewhere?

"Difficult to say. I'd say I usually receive feedback from around 5 to 8
people. It used to be at least twice that much in earlier times. On other
lists, more than thrice that amount."

"JSG- 2 to 3, L/M - 2, Sith Chicks- 0"

"I've never done too well with my reviews, unfortunately.  I normally average
maybe four or five a chapter.  One or two stories, I've hit around ten a
chapter.  That's adding all the reviews from all the different locations
together.  JSG never stood out in the number or quality of feedback"

"I used to receive at least five to eight reviews per part here, now only two
or three, if even. Elsewhere, I can occasionally hit the ten to twelve reviews
per part, but that is very rare , even more than a post going completely
ignored and unacknowledged in any way…"

"It used to be a lot more in the past, but that was because more people a few
years ago knew me. Since I have been a bit of a lurker lately, not many know
who I am anymore. I’m sure many read but don’t comment later. It’s easier to
give feedback to someone you know, to get more personal that way."

" 2 per story everywhere"

" Gonna make me dig out my ff.net account, eh? I got about 10-12 per chaper,
more, if it was longer and I picked up more people. But that was in a
different fandom, and Potterfic generally has a larger following that SW."

" I got a few feedbacks, not alot, but a few and thats fine."

" Wow. . .it's been so long since I've posted at JSG that it's hard to say.  I
don't remember getting a terrible amount of feedback, however. At ff.net any
one of my stories pulled between 10-35 reviews (counting all of the people who
have randomly emailed me prodding for a sequel THAT THEY'RE NOT
GETTING. . .::ahem::).  I think, in general, the plot bunnies I choose are of
a strange and slightly venemous varitety, and not to everyone's taste."







Do you recommend JSG to fellow writers as a good place to post fics?

"I'd do it trying to revive the group with more good fiction, hoping that some
lurkers would speak up if there's more fic again. For someone who's
specifically seeking feedback I'd not recommend it."

"Some of the other writers I know don't write L/M...my beta reader, for
example, tends to write Quinlan Vos with other characters - so, although her
writing is hot, it wouldn't be truly accepted in this group...but I foward her
my feedback s that she can enjoy it too."

"Occassionally.  I pretty much let other writers know where I post or used to
post and let them draw their own conclusions."

"There's no flaming here, but there's no feedback, or not much anyway… so I'm
very divided about this question."

" Yes."

" It depends on what they write"

" For the most part, yeah. The community seems active, and really nice. But it
almost seems like you only give positive feedback. Admitedly, I haven't been
here very long. But personally, if I wrote something that sounded like it was
4th grade work, I'd like to be told so. I look back at some of the stuff I
wrote when I first got into fanfic, way back when I was in 7th grade or so,
and it's terrible. I would have preferred to be told that I really needed to
work on my writing, rather than just hear that I had good ideas."

" I already recommend you guys but yeah I would let them know that they could
get feedback and stuff there which motivates a lot of people."

" I think groups in general are a great place for writers to be, so
absolutely."






Would you recommend JSG to fellow writers if there were more reviews per post,
(either public or private review)?

"Yes."

"Of course"

"Hell yes!  Many writers thrive on feedback.  We like to know our work is
appreciated (doesn't everyone?)  If more people wrote responses at the JSG, I
would make sure the M/L writers I know would learn about it."

"For sure!! We need more places like that!"

"Absolutely!"

" Again it would depend on what they write"

" Well, something is better than nothing, so I wouldn't base my recommendation
on that. But yes, I would."

" More reviews are always helpful.  I could never complain about that. ;D"





Are you considering moving to other posting places, or focusing your efforts
elsewhere? If so, why?

" No."

"No...I like you...I'm staying with you guys."

"I had some trouble with my email address a few months ago, and when I
rejoined my Yahoo Groups, I didn't bother with the JSG, simply because the
feedback had dried up.  Now that this effort is being put in to correct that
misfortune, I plan to join again."

" Of course not. I would never leave the people ;)Even though im sure it has
felt like it since I've been extrememly busy and only being able to lurk."

"I have already begun, although I still remain as a reader. I just don't
really feel that the effort of writing L/M fics under pressure, or profusely,
is worth it anymore."

"Not really, but that’s because I know of no other places. But even if I found
other places, even more active ones, I’d still not abandon JSG. The more
places the better, I say."

" Not really. I have already started posting one other sites as well. But I
more than likely won't abandon this group"

"Not really. I'm a member of Mara_and_Luke, which consists of pretty much all
the same people, but that's it."

" Whenever I return to fanfic myself, I'll likely post here at JSG, at ff.net
(evil as it tends to be. . .) and at my own website once I get it up and
running (which should hopefully be soon)."





If you don't write anymore, did you stop because of the lack of feedback?

"I won't stop writing because of lack of feedback. I might just stop posting."

"No, I wouldn't stop writing,... but I may stop posting."

"I've been suffering from writer's block for the better part of a year,
partially due to apathetic readers, but mostly because my life has been
havoc.  Now that it's settled down, I plan to write again, and I sincerely
hope that the JSG members really turn around and begin reviewing again."

"My disappearance from the writers' community sure had a lot to do with the
frustration and heartache that followed me whenever I posted and went
unnoticed, unanswered, and basically ignored… Was I really, I don't know and,
quite honestly, I just don't have any way of figuring that one out unless
people speak to me and review my posts (telling me what they like and don't
like, why they read, or don't read). So, no reviews… no more posts from my
part. I still write, however, and I still share with those who show me more
consideration."

"Well, I am still writing so no worries there. But if I ever should stop it
would be for two things.
1. Real life somehow gets in the way & makes it impossible for me to
continue.
2. The feedbacks reduce to nothing & I would lose the spark to go on."

" Not really. I just got bored with Harry Potter, because I got into Star
Wars. I can really only focus on one fandom, one pairing at a time. I'm single-
minded like that."

" Sadly, that was part of the reason.  I was never sure if my work was being
received well, if anyone was enjoying it, if I had gone too overboard, been
too violent, etc, etc. . .  There were times I could have put time aside to
write, but I just didn't.  I kept telling myself people were probably just
afraid to critise me, and that's why I didn't get feedback.  And then
eventually college took over my life, and there wasn't much time or motivation
to write anymore."  (but, note above that this writer, who had stopped
writing, is now planning on returning 'thanks' to the feedback she recently
received about her old stories. Hint hint ;P)



In the end:

"I can only encourage the "silent" readers to share their opinion, either on
list or privately. It's not as though you need to write a novel. Elaborate
feedback is naturally an author's fav, but as far as I'm concerned, getting
a "I'm loving it. Keep it up!" is perfect as well. "

" I know how encouraging reviews can be, especially the random 'good story,
keep writing'. I wouldn't have written some of my stories without the support
of some faithful reviewers. I do know how my own stories end, after all.
However I was always grateful when someone had taken the time to point out my
faults, too. That way I was able to improve myself. "

" I still write. The hard part is finding the time to do it."




After all this honest and unique insight into our writers' motivations and
perceptions, I will say a few things:

1- Don't take for granted that the writers will post forever and just provide
you with free daily entertainment the way it happens on TV or elsewhere… just
like the professionals are encouraged by the contracts they get, the audience
they gather and the reviews they get, fanfic writers are extremely motivated
by the reviews of avid and interested readers. It's, as someone said, the fuel
to their engine, so if you don't want to stall in the middle of the fanfic
road, 'fuel' up the writers' engines.  Review the fics posted not only in this
group, but anywhere else on the web as well so that we will not let the world
of L/M, L/V and L fics whither and die because readers took for granted the
writers out there.

2-  With the no-lurker policy in force since the beginning of this summer, the
members of this group are 'expected' to be active reviewers. Remember, if
you 'never' have time to catch up like you promise to, just leave the group
and lurk from outside the group. As for if you have a little time then and
again, what is important is that you pop in at least once every four months so
that you are not a stranger to us, you know ;P  Finally, if you are normally
active but need to leave for a while, let us know so that I don't remove you
for lack of participation when I run a bi-annual check on lurking members (and
remove the lurkers).  According to the members' answers to the survey, you
have joined in here to read the fics; well, if you want more fics, do your
part and review what's posted. If you don't or don't want to, assume your
choice and sign out of this group before I lead a new cutting operation in a
few weeks from now.

3- We know it now; without feedback, there are less fanfics, and that's it.
Writing a fanfic takes time (hours that turn into months, and months that turn
into years in the case of the longer fics), dedication, and attention, and
feedback is the fuel that keeps the writers here with us as it is the only
form of reward that we can offer them for devoting their time and efforts to
the writing of a story before sharing it with us.

4- My goal with all this nagging and reminders is to be able to attract more
writers (like the great ones that are not in here yet) to the group. However,
the only money that I can offer to draw them in is a truthful promise of
useful and abundant feedback, and we're far from this at this moment…  Silence
and lack of reaction is simply no selling argument that I can use in an
invitation to possible new writers so, basically, we have a problem: we want
more fun, but we don't do anything much to 'create' and maintain alive that
fun. And I sure can't do it alone with Sienn, Fire, Blaze, Ladyflame and the
too few other active members of the group nowadays. So there we are…


In conlusion, I leave you with more writers' comments that I have gathered in
their answers to feedback throughout the past months. Think about those and
choose if you want to help keep fanfic alive in this group and on the web… or
not.

" I really can't tell you how great it makes me feel to know you take time out
to read this piece. "

"Hey! Don't worry, there is no such thing as too much feedback!"

"About posting the rest of the story, I will only post it when it will be
finished… and it might never get finished because no one reviewed it when I
first posted it here :("


The Mod team

p.s. To know about what is expected in feedback, read the next file.

I have a request/suggestion/question for everyone. Please, please
don't take this as criticism or blame, but I have a problem with in
progress fics. I know everyone has a real life and writing
fanfiction is just a hobby, and I appreciate the honor you give us
readers by sharing your talent and passion.

However, (you knew it was coming, I know ;) ) There is frequently
long gaps between updates in stories. So much so, that I forget what
happened earlier. I know I can go to the archives and read previous
chapters, but that takes time I don't always have. Would it be
possible to add a small synopsis at the beginning of an update,
especially if it's been some time since the last one? Just a
paragraph or two with the main outline so far. I don't see this a
necessary if the last update is only a few days old, just when it's
been some time. For example, Living Darkness was updated earlier
this month and then not since early September. (I don't mean this to
be disrespectful to Sienn in any way, it's just the most recent
example.)

There are so many great fics going right now that I find it hard to
keep them straight, especially since they all seem to have the same
main characters <g>.

Please, I don't want any writer to think I am ungrateful for the time
and effort they put into doing a great job. I hope you keep it up.

Angela

Fellow writers,

You will have noticed that JSG is a group that strongly encourages readers to
review the posted stories, and that we provide them with tips on how to do it.

However, in order to play their part of the fanfic game, readers have
expressed some concerns and frustrations of their own about the whole
reviewing business.

They go as follow:

First of all, readers don't want to review everything if they didn't like it,
and that is a fact that we respect. JSG's mod team is aware that even though
we all gather here for certain categories of fics, not everything that is (or
will be) written is to everyone's liking. There is a matter of preferences
even at this level of categorizations of fics, and that, no matter the degree
of talent of the writer. However, what we do encourage readers to do is to let
you know at least once that they don't read your fic for that particular
reason. That way, we figure that you will at least know that people are not
reading because your topic is not what they like to read about, and not that
you're a bad writer or that your story is not well-constructed. In short,
we want you to know if the silence of the readers is simply a matter of
preferences, so be understanding about this and keep writing (especially if
you still hit a chord with other readers :)


Another fact about most readers here (and on the web) is that they have a busy
real life and that they don't have a lot of time to read, so they tend to
collect the posts of the stories and plan to catch up with them later on. Once
again, we respect that and only ask of the readers to pipe in at least once
every four months and to offer reviews when they finally have time to read.
However, every member of JSG should, at one point or another, share some
comments about the fics in here. That, we do enforce in every possible way.

Thirdly, the readers sometimes hesitate about giving constructive criticism
because they don't want to upset the writers, but instead of commenting even a
bit, they remain silent. To help them understand that you are open to
constructive criticism (meaning that they can point out your stories'
strengths 'and' weaknesses and suggest ways to improve them and that you will
welcome those comments without being upset by them), tell them so in your fic
posts. Mention that you want to know about what they liked and didn't like so
as to improve your writing, and they will know that you will not be upset by
their constructive criticism.
However, if you only want to hear good things, ask only for positive feedback,
but be aware that it is possible that you will get less feedback that way...
It is simply a fact of experience that sometimes, it's hard to tell even one
good comment about someone's fic because it just needs much more work before
being posted...


Finally, just like you spend time writing your stories and hope to be
acknowledged in some way when you post them, reviewers expect some kind of
answers to their comments. Feedback isn't a due to a writer, you know? It's a
gift of kindness, time and effort from a reader's part (who most often doesn't
have much time to spare in the first place). So, if you want him/her to review
your next posts, thank them for their gift to you.

Responding to them is also a great way to make new friends on the web and have
even more fun sharing your fics in here :)

And that's it.

For now, we're aiming for an average of five reviews per post (if you don't
get it, mention it in the group or contact Mireille), but we'll gradually
raise the bar as things progress in the group. Stick in here and share your
fics with us!! I promise we'll be there to read and review them!!

Love
The Mod team!

p.s. Also, per respect for your fellow writers (here or elsewhere on the web),
remember that before using someone else's ideas from a fic, contact that
person and ask for their permission (and wait to get it before posting your
fic - with the proper disclaimers on top of the story). It's basic courtesy
between hard-working writers, and it's how we do things between fellow fanfic
writers who don't make a cent with those stories, yet still devote coutnless
hours (years sometimes) creating, tweaking and polishing those original babies
of ours. We have lost too many great writers already to rude plagiarism
behavior from uncaring writers; we must not lose anyone else anymore.

Yeah. Our beliefs determine our reality.

Thanks, Mireille, your reassurance is a relief.



I'm glad it helps you like this! After all, that was my goal with answering this
topic :)



Have a great day, dear!

Love

Mireille XXX




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> So, don't worry about perceptions, huh? Just have your fun, and know
who and what you are :)
>

Yeah. Our beliefs determine our reality.

Thanks, Mireille, your reassurance is a relief.

Dear Stacey,






Sorry for my having lashed out. SW is a huge fandom and that means that
different people love different things about it, different sides of it.
I've listened to people who love EU as well as those who ignore it. I
just don't like it when people on one side of it despise people on the
other side of it - for example. It splits the fandom even more than
necessary. If it's not the case here then I apologise.



I can assure you that it is not the case in here at all. By SW fan, we only mean
(or at least I mean) people who actually follow what happens in the SW verse(s)
and that have at least watched the movies to the point of being able to answer
basic trivia questions about them, whether we're talking about the OT, the PT,
or the whole series. Anything outside of the movies is also fair game, though
its rare that the movies didn't start it all for those fans ;P

I wasn't in the fandom since 1977. I watched the OT for the first time
in 1999. (I loved it instantly, and now I love it even more than 10
years ago). When I saw the prequels after that I loved them too. The
same with the EU which I encountered a bit later. (I didn't know of its
existence at first because I didn't have the internet).



And the fact that you're here and enjoying fanfic (which are visions of
characters created by someone else) means that you're a fan, period :)

I got the impression that people here consider as 'true' SW fans only
those who became so before the prequels were released, and who prefer
greatly the OT to the PT.



Not at all. however, by having an interest for L/M, or L or M, we automatically
attract more fans of the OT and EU than of the prequels ;P However, several
members here are probably members of other groups where there are other parts of
the SW interest as well; I know I read more than L/M fics from ff.net ;P



I know people who prefer PT to the OT (some of them love post-RotJ EU at
the same time), I know people who prefer the OT and were in the fandom
since 1977, but they ignore the EU completely. And though I'm not one of
either I don't think they're more 'casual' SW fans than people here.



I don't think so either ;P In the science-fiction group that I visited
sometimes, I have met some younger fans who have encyclopedic knowledge of the
PT and I recognized the fans in them even though I couldn't really exchange with
them per lack of advance knowledge on their part of the SW verse ;P



As an example of fan case, I once went to a board regarding the Avatar: the last
airbender series, which I enjoyed very much, but I felt like a fish out of the
water when people just started exchanging on visions, perceptions and such... I
just wasn't there at all. That's how I realized that I had a strong interest,
but I wasn't a fan of the series. I just love the characters and read fanfic to
get more of them, but I couldn't for the life of me write stories about them.
Neither could I do that with other series I love because I'm not just 'that'
much into them.



SW, though... they live in my imagination and feed it nonstop ;P

My other remark was made because I suspect that those who prefer the OT
feel a bit jealous that the PT has taken a part of fannish attention
from the OT and the EU.



Not at all. My only peeve with the PT is that when I watch it, I only see the
horrible and unforgivable plot holes that are part of it and that don't tie in
with the OT anymore. I really thought everything would fit in flawlessly...
Other than that, they were okay, and it's normal that younger fans who were
introduced to the PT first love it better. It also gives us several interesting
possibilities for more extrapolation about the characters, so... I don't mind
it.



  I prefer SW to any other fandom, I spend most of my free time in it, I
give a lot of my thoughts and feelings to it, that's why I consider
myself an SW fan.



And I wouldn't think of you in any other way either :) So, don't worry about
perceptions, huh? Just have your fun, and know who and what you are :)



Love

Mireille XXX

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> I'm sorry you misinterpreted my words.

It's me who feel sorry, the mistake was mine.

"I got the impression that people here consider as 'true' SW fans only
those who became so before the prequels were released, and who prefer
greatly the OT to the PT. It might be a wrong impression of course but
it was it that made me take Madman's words so personally."

That's not what I meant at all. Anyone can be a true fan or fanatic at any point
in the SW history. I still meet people my age who have NEVER seen Star Wars and
probably never will. There's obviously people like yourself who became fans at a
later time. I never said I despise those who aren't fans of the OT or Prequels.
I'm sorry you misinterpreted my words.






________________________________
From: Stacey <JBStacy@...>
To: jade-skywalker@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 11:31:53 AM
Subject: RE: [JSG (The Hub)] about the fans distinctions




Sorry for my having lashed out. SW is a huge fandom and that means that
different people love different things about it, different sides of it.
I've listened to people who love EU as well as those who ignore it. I
just don't like it when people on one side of it despise people on the
other side of it - for example. It splits the fandom even more than
necessary. If it's not the case here then I apologise.

I wasn't in the fandom since 1977. I watched the OT for the first time
in 1999. (I loved it instantly, and now I love it even more than 10
years ago). When I saw the prequels after that I loved them too. The
same with the EU which I encountered a bit later. (I didn't know of its
existence at first because I didn't have the internet).

I got the impression that people here consider as 'true' SW fans only
those who became so before the prequels were released, and who prefer
greatly the OT to the PT. It might be a wrong impression of course but
it was it that made me take Madman's words so personally.

I know people who prefer PT to the OT (some of them love post-RotJ EU at
the same time), I know people who prefer the OT and were in the fandom
since 1977, but they ignore the EU completely. And though I'm not one of
either I don't think they're more 'casual' SW fans than people here.

My other remark was made because I suspect that those who prefer the OT
feel a bit jealous that the PT has taken a part of fannish attention
from the OT and the EU. If it is so I can understand it though I don't
think it's a reason to increase negativity in the fandom.

I prefer SW to any other fandom, I spend most of my free time in it, I
give a lot of my thoughts and feelings to it, that's why I consider
myself an SW fan.

Stacey






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Sorry for my having lashed out. SW is a huge fandom and that means that
different people love different things about it, different sides of it.
I've listened to people who love EU as well as those who ignore it. I
just don't like it when people on one side of it despise people on the
other side of it - for example. It splits the fandom even more than
necessary. If it's not the case here then I apologise.

I wasn't in the fandom since 1977. I watched the OT for the first time
in 1999. (I loved it instantly, and now I love it even more than 10
years ago). When I saw the prequels after that I loved them too. The
same with the EU which I encountered a bit later. (I didn't know of its
existence at first because I didn't have the internet).

I got the impression that people here consider as 'true' SW fans only
those who became so before the prequels were released, and who prefer
greatly the OT to the PT. It might be a wrong impression of course but
it was it that made me take Madman's words so personally.

I know people who prefer PT to the OT (some of them love post-RotJ EU at
the same time), I know people who prefer the OT and were in the fandom
since 1977, but they ignore the EU completely. And though I'm not one of
either I don't think they're more 'casual' SW fans than people here.

My other remark was made because I suspect that those who prefer the OT
feel a bit jealous that the PT has taken a part of fannish attention
from the OT and the EU. If it is so I can understand it though I don't
think it's a reason to increase negativity in the fandom.

I prefer SW to any other fandom, I spend most of my free time in it, I
give a lot of my thoughts and feelings to it, that's why I consider
myself an SW fan.

Stacey

I completely agree with the explanation below and I would just add that
basically, you`re a fan, or you're aren't. As for being a fan, it means that you
know lines of the movies, expressions that are proper to this universe, you can
answer tough trivia questions abour your interest, and you discuss/argue with
others about this or that aspect of the characters, movies, etc.  Which is what
they do in the movie, and why only fans who can catch those jokes will enjoy
them.

Personally, I am a hardcore fan of the original trilogy, but I only like the
prequels and take what I need from them without knowing everything the way I am
intimate with the originals.

Still, I am a fan of SW and if I weren't careful, I'd talk about it a lot more
than I do at work, but I learnt not to bore people with a subject they don't
care about in real life, so ;P My brother even said to me: ''Enough with the SW
crap already!!!!'' Still, which SW fan doesn't make a connection between the
Buzzlightyear story/character in Toy Story, and R2-D2 in ANH ? :)

Anyway, to me, that's how I recognize a fan with whom I can go in depth in my SW
exchange, and a mere movie lover who enjoyed those movies, but doesn't know
anything else about them.

Hope this helps, and no offense was made, don`t worry :)

Love
Mireille XXX







To: jade-skywalker@yahoogroups.com
From: amarsh07@...
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:55:27 +0000
Subject: Re: [JSG (The Hub)] OT: Fanboys movie





Allow me to explain my definition of a "true" Star Wars fan. I've been a fan
since the beginning in 1977 and through the years I've encountered different
levels of Star Wars fans. There are those who have seen the movies and like
them. Period. End of story. They consider the movies as important additions of
pop culture, but that's where their admiration ends.

The casual SW fan doesn't know the EU exists. They don't know what planet Chewie
was from. They don't dress up as their favorite SW character every Halloween.
And they especially don't write fan fiction in the SW realm. The ones who do are
the ones I consider the "true" SW fans, like everyone in this group. But maybe
true is the wrong word. There is no such thing as a "false" SW fan. Even though
the words are based on each other, there is a difference between a "fan" and a
"fanatic". Ironically, Fanboys addresses this.

I only stated my observation about the movie and recommended it at the end "if
you consider yourself a SW fan". I may have chosen the wrong word but don't
think for one moment that I said it because of my ego. From what I have been
through in the past weeks, I am already over myself.

--- In jade-skywalker@yahoogroups.com, Stacey <JBStacy@...> wrote:
>
>
> What's with you guys? Why do you keep separating people into 'true' SW
> fans and 'not true' SW fans? Don't you think it's time to get over
> yourselves?
>
> (Hope it's polite enough, if not then delete my message).
>
>
> Madman007 <amarsh07@...> [Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:25:53 -0800 (PST)]:
> > Thanks, Mireille! Already found it and got it on DVD. It didn't get
> good
> > reviews but I don't care. It's for the true Star Wars fans. Kind of
> like
> > what Trekkies did for Star Trek fans but Fanboys has a story. Although
> > it is mainly boys, there IS a Star Wars girl in it. Kristen Bell
> > (Veronica Mars, Forgetting Sarah Marshall) has some of the best lines
> in
> > the movie. Plus, we get to see her in the Princess Leia bikini
> (drools)!
> > If you consider yourself a Star Wars fan you need to see/rent/buy
> > Fanboys!
> >
>





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Allow me to explain my definition of a "true" Star Wars fan. I've been a fan
since the beginning in 1977 and through the years I've encountered different
levels of Star Wars fans. There are those who have seen the movies and like
them. Period. End of story. They consider the movies as important additions of
pop culture, but that's where their admiration ends.

The casual SW fan doesn't know the EU exists. They don't know what planet Chewie
was from. They don't dress up as their favorite SW character every Halloween.
And they especially don't write fan fiction in the SW realm. The ones who do are
the ones I consider the "true" SW fans, like everyone in this group. But maybe
true is the wrong word. There is no such thing as a "false" SW fan. Even though
the words are based on each other, there is a difference between a "fan" and a
"fanatic". Ironically, Fanboys addresses this.

I only stated my observation about the movie and recommended it at the end "if
you consider yourself a SW fan". I may have chosen the wrong word but don't
think for one moment that I said it because of my ego. From what I have been
through in the past weeks, I am already over myself.

--- In jade-skywalker@yahoogroups.com, Stacey <JBStacy@...> wrote:
>
>
> What's with you guys? Why do you keep separating people into 'true' SW
> fans and 'not true' SW fans? Don't you think it's time to get over
> yourselves?
>
> (Hope it's polite enough, if not then delete my message).
>
>
>  Madman007 <amarsh07@...> [Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:25:53 -0800 (PST)]:
> > Thanks, Mireille! Already found it and got it on DVD. It didn't get
> good
> > reviews but I don't care. It's for the true Star Wars fans. Kind of
> like
> > what Trekkies did for Star Trek fans but Fanboys has a story. Although
> > it is mainly boys, there IS a Star Wars girl in it. Kristen Bell
> > (Veronica Mars, Forgetting Sarah Marshall) has some of the best lines
> in
> > the movie. Plus, we get to see her in the Princess Leia bikini
> (drools)!
> > If you consider yourself a Star Wars fan you need to see/rent/buy
> > Fanboys!
> >
>

What's with you guys? Why do you keep separating people into 'true' SW
fans and 'not true' SW fans? Don't you think it's time to get over
yourselves?

(Hope it's polite enough, if not then delete my message).


  Madman007 <amarsh07@...> [Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:25:53 -0800 (PST)]:
> Thanks, Mireille! Already found it and got it on DVD. It didn't get
good
> reviews but I don't care. It's for the true Star Wars fans. Kind of
like
> what Trekkies did for Star Trek fans but Fanboys has a story. Although
> it is mainly boys, there IS a Star Wars girl in it. Kristen Bell
> (Veronica Mars, Forgetting Sarah Marshall) has some of the best lines
in
> the movie. Plus, we get to see her in the Princess Leia bikini
(drools)!
> If you consider yourself a Star Wars fan you need to see/rent/buy
> Fanboys!
>

Thanks, Mireille! Already found it and got it on DVD. It didn't get good reviews
but I don't care. It's for the true Star Wars fans. Kind of like what Trekkies
did for Star Trek fans but Fanboys has a story. Although it is mainly boys,
there IS a Star Wars girl in it. Kristen Bell (Veronica Mars, Forgetting Sarah
Marshall) has some of the best lines in the movie. Plus, we get to see her in
the Princess Leia bikini (drools)!
If you consider yourself a Star Wars fan you need to see/rent/buy Fanboys!




----- Original Message ----
From: mireillemjv <skyjade3@...>
To: jade-skywalker@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 6:33:23 PM
Subject: [JSG (The Hub)] OT: Fanboys movie


Hello everyone :)

Just wanted to share the discovery I made last night about a movie I thought
would not be good enough to spend time on with.



Fanboys, the story of the SW fans that try to break into Skywalker's ranch and
see episode 1 before everyone. It is truly filled with good humor (mostly), a
lot of cameo by SW sounds, lines, gags, but also a lot of self-directed humor
toward us fans (or at least the most fanatics of us).



Of course, that movie deals mostly with guys, but it is still fun to watch their
antics when you share most of their interest in the movies :)



Anyway, just wanted to share that SW discovery with fellow fans :)



Have a great week everyone!

Love

Mireille

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To catch up with old posts and/or ongoing series and RR, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jade-skywalker/links
and follow the links to the posts of the stories :)

Writers, keep up the great work and share more with us! :)

Readers, don't forget to review or comment on the fics when you have time to
read them :) And remember that this is a requirement to be a member of this
group.

Yahoo! Groups Links

Hello everyone :)

Just wanted to share the discovery I made last night about a movie I thought
would not be good enough to spend time on with.



Fanboys, the story of the SW fans that try to break into Skywalker's ranch and
see episode 1 before everyone. It is truly filled with good humor (mostly), a
lot of cameo by SW sounds, lines, gags, but also a lot of self-directed humor
toward us fans (or at least the most fanatics of us).



Of course, that movie deals mostly with guys, but it is still fun to watch their
antics when you share most of their interest in the movies :)



Anyway, just wanted to share that SW discovery with fellow fans :)



Have a great week everyone!

Love

Mireille

_________________________________________________________________
Tirez parti d’une offre Windows 7 exceptionnelle et voyez comment il vous
simplifie la vie.
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The writers speak!!!!

"The most exciting part of completing a story is not finishing it, but having
someone else read it (and receive his/her comments afterward as shown in the
following scene)." (Chloe Sullivan in Smallville)


That about sums it all, yet it barely scratches the surface of what writers
think and feel about writing and sharing stories on the net. Therefore, we
have gathered the opinions and thoughts of JSG writers (past and present) and
insist that if you aren't already a reviewing reader (thus known to the
group), you read this again and try to put yourself in the writers' skin as
you read their honest and open-hearted comments.

Read all their comments carefully, and take a moment to ponder how you can
make sure that we never reach the point where they will put their last
warnings into effect (stop posting and such)… as others have already done.

The questions that I asked them were:

What does feedback represent to you?
Why do you write?
What impact does feedback, or lack thereof, have on you? Your writing? Your
posting habits and choices?
Why did you choose to share your stories at JSG?
In average, how many feedback do you (or did you) receive for your posts at
JSG?  Elsewhere?
Do you recommend JSG to fellow writers as a good place to post fics?
Would you recommend JSG to fellow writers if there were more reviews per post,
(either public or private review)?
Are you considering moving to other posting places, or focusing your efforts
elsewhere? If so, why?
If you don't write anymore, did you stop because of the lack of feedback?

Before you start reading their answers, though, remember that unlike the
professional writers of science-fiction who get a royalty for each book sold
(thus at least know that they are read and that someone has actually paid
money to get their book, not to mention that the more money they make, the
stronger they are confirmed in their talent), fanfic writers don't have any
way of knowing that you read their story, let alone that you enjoyed it…
unless you review and give them feedback on their writing. It is the reality
of writing for fun on the internet, a harsh reality that apathy from readers
turns into a frustrating and discouraging experience. Writing on the internet
is not only the business of those who can write; it's also the business of the
readers, whose responsibility it is to keep the fun going by encouraging the
benevolent and creative writers to keep flexing their writing muscles for us
to enjoy.

Now, with that in mind, here is what the writers of this group have to say
about writing and the importance of feedback in their lives as a fanfic writer.





What does feedback represent to you?

"Feedback always ups my mood. It doesn't only show me that people enjoy what I
write. The more elaborate the better; in the perfect case I want to know what
people liked and also what they disliked. By reading feedback and talking to
readers I get new ideas, and it's something that helps me understand my own
writing better."

"I love feedback. I'm a whore for it...confession time: I repetedly check my
emails for any comments I get. Getting feedback is my cocaine."

" Plain and simple, feedback shows that the fic just read was worth a
response.  When fics are not reviewed, the writer questions why the readers
didn't find anything interesting or enjoyable enough to compel a written
response."

"I am addicted to feedback. I love it for the contact it provides with
readers, I love the feeling of receiving encouragements from readers, and I
just really enjoy discovering that the reader actually had fun reading my
story, that I didn't waste my time (counted in months and years here) writing
it and sharing it. It is also a perfect way for me to find out what worked
well and what didn't and needs improvement in the story, and that is really
useful in my evolution as a writer. If I compare writing to a sundae, than
writing is my ice cream and feedback is both the chocolate sauce and cherry on
it, and somehow, whenever feedback pops unexpectedly in in my mail box, my
sundae is no longer thawed and unappetizing and I long to enjoy it again, or
even to create another one."

"Quite a lot. It’s the reward, the recognition of all your hard work & long
hours planning & writing the story. Feedback is also the best mean to
determine if I’m going in the right direction. I often take notice of my
readers wishes for the future of the story & sometimes, they feedback has even
given me plenty of ideas to new chapters. I often say that my readers help me
write what I do. I can’t do that without feedback, without knowing what they
like & don’t like. Also, when I’m writing a story that is very special & dear
to me, I even keep the feedback! I save the person & that person’s comments &
from time to time go back & read it. That is true inspiration! And motivation
to keep on going!"

" For me, it represents the chance to improve on my writing"

"As an author I can only underline how important feedback is to us. As an
author, I write primarily for myself. I would keep writing regardless of
getting feedback or not. However, whether I would share my writing on such a
broad scale, that is an entirely different question."

" Well, it means that people are reading my stories, which is why I write
them. Plus, I always like to hear what other people think, because it gives me
other ideas."

"Hmmm thats a good question. I guess I would have to say that it helps me to
know what areas I need to work on in my story and also know the ones that
people particularly enjoy Although I no longer specifically write for the
appreciation and recognition of others, but for myself I must admit it helps
when people share with you. ;)?

" Feedback means that someone is reading.  Any kind of feedback, for me, is
acceptable.  Even just a "oh, hey, look!  she posted -- I didn't read it.
your story bores me", at least lets me know that someone spent the time to
read one chapter, recognise the story and pass it by. Admittedly, it's not the
best kind of feedback, but a big hulking void is far worse.  Authors spend
weeks, months, YEARS on these fics -- it's disappointing when you get no
reaction from it."





Why do you write?

"I have enjoyed my years of writing LM fanfics. I was going through divorce
then and writing was cathartic for me especially Luke/Mara love for each
other. I must have written everything that I had lost in real life. I am still
writing at present but I have not gone back to LM writing for years."

" I love SW, I love Luke/Mara. I'd write even if I didn't get feedback, but I
would feel like losing A LOT."

"To get the stories out of my mind...also when I was younger I was never given
very high marks in school for creative writing and I just wanted to know I
could do it."

"I write because it is something I enjoy and a hobby I would hope to one day
turn into a career.  Right now, fanfiction is fun to write and good practice."

"I simply can't help writing; I've always made up stories in my mind, and now
that I know that I can write, I can't stop doing it. It's like going to the
movies all the time, except that 'I' am behind the camera this time. Writing
is also a therapy for me, a way to escape the real world outside for a while,
as well as to let my overactive imagination vent itself instead of turning all
darkside onto me."

"Well, I like/love the subject I write about. I wish to explore it & expand
it. But it’s also a test for myself. How good a writer am I? If I don’t give
it a try I will never know. And since English is not my first language, the
test is even bigger."

" Because I enjoy writing"

" Why do I write, or why do I write things down? I have no personal need to
commit my thoughts to paper, really. When I write a story, it starts as a way
to entertain me. I generally put myself to sleep by writing a story in my
head. Sometimes, I keep the plotline going for several days, redoing it
different ways, and such. But I write down barely a fraction of the stories I
compose for myself- partially because I often steal ideas and plots from other
writers, but mostly because writing takes up a lot of time, and I'm rarely
satisfied with how my thoughts look on paper. When I do write, it's because I
want to be able to discuss the ideas I had with other people, really."

" Why do I write. Because I enjoy it of course. It helps me release my
emotions and pressures that occur in my life in a way thats both healthy and
fullfilling. And sometimes I get these ideas that just wont leave me alone so
I have to write them down."

" I began writing for myself -- that was before I had internet and knew about
this whole "fanfiction" term.  I just knew that I loved the characters and the
worlds and I wanted to play with them.  That's still the case; call it a love
for the fandom.  None of us would be here if we didn't enjoy it."




What impact does feedback, or lack thereof, have on you? Your writing? Your
posting habits and choices?

"I did remember liking the fact that I got feedback from my readers. Whenever
they give me feedback - the good ones especially - I get a warm feeling
inside."

"It might cause writer's block for a while. I will work through that and just
stop posting on the lists in question. No sense in posting if I have to
believe no one's reading."

"To be honest, I just dropped a group because I never recieved any feedback
from members...so I figured I'd find somebody who would apreciate them...like
you good people. :>"

"I try not to be impacted by feedback (especially when there is little to
none) but it's hard to avoid.  When a writer posts a story, they post a part
of themselves, something that hatched in their creative mind, that they strove
to put on paper, so that others could enjoy it.  When no one takes the time to
write a sentence or two about it, there's no way to stop feeling that all the
effort put into the story was a waste. I've never been at a place where the
reviews substantially stood out, so I tend to just post at about five or so
sites, cast the nets around, see what I find.  Though I try not to be offended
by a lack of reviews, it has to be said that encouragement really helps
writer's block.  I've had a SW story gathering dust on my desktop for over a
year.  I know how the story ends, I know how to get there, I know what to
do....I just don't feel like doing it.  No one really cares."

"Lots. When I used to receive a lot of feedback for each new post I shared, I
pushed myself to write more and more and more, to the point that I injured my
shoulders and neck and yet still kept pushing myself. Then, when feedback
began to wane, I stopped pushing myself and slowly but surely withdrew so as
to both heal myself and stop hurting myself with the lack of reaction from the
silent readers. During that time, I completely stopped posting in some groups
and websites, concentrating only on JSG and a few, more active places, but the
continued decrease of feedback drove me further and further away from fanfic
writing. Then, I discovered that someone, who had never 'ever'  reviewed one
of my stories, had still liked it enough to rip off ideas from it and base her
successful story on those (without disclaimers), and it was the last straw. I
removed my fics from the web. Nowadays, I don't expect much feedback anymore
when I post, and that makes me write SW stuff only when I really feel like it,
and I don't plan anymore to share them in very many places… and that will be
when they will be ready, if I ever finish them, but they're just not my
priority anymore although I still love SW and I still write SW stories. I'm
just not sure that using so much of my free time to write those stories is
really that worthwhile considering the near-silence that accompanies their
posts… I've got more than two-hundred SW bunnies to play with, and I know how
to write each and everyone of them, could even 'make' time for them… but I
already enjoy playing with them even in their bunnies form so writing them
becomes a question of whether or not I want to take the necessary time to
develop them and share them in their final form with web friends and reviewing
readers."

"As already mentioned, feedback is the inspiring reward, the fuel to keep on
going. The lack of this fuel & I may risk ending up quitting. Sure, I could
write only for myself but what’s the fun in that? Especially when you know
that your story could be liked/loved by more people than yourself.





Why did you choose to share your stories at JSG?
Simply because it’s a SW friendly place. Anyone who likes SW can read my SW
stories. Doesn’t really matter the place as long as I’m welcomed."

" 3a. What impact does feedback, or lack thereof, have on you? Not much
3b. Your writing? Well because I use FB to improve my stories, my writing
cannot get better
3c. Your posting habits and choices? I tend not to post"

"Mainly, I write 1-shots. Mostly because I'm horribly bad at sticking with
things, and I generally lose interest in a plotline before I'm finished,
otherwise. I think I've only completed 1 fic that was longer than a 1-shot,
and that was only like 7,000 words. My longest fic stalled about 11,000, and I
never finished it. But when I do write longer things, feedback has a huge
impact on me. I never decide what I'm going to do, because I have so many
ideas about what could happen, I never know which one I'll pick until I see
what other people think could or should happen. As of right now I only have
one Star Wars related fic written, and it hardly even counts. It's more of a
prologue than anything, and only like 650 words. I don't write things that are
very long, because I'll get bored with writing it down. I think faster than I
can type, or talk, so I don't usually tell my stories, because I get too
impatient with myself."

"It used to affect me a great deal. But I have decided that while it's always
nice to have feedback and recognition from others. I don't depend on it as
much as I used to. I write for myself and if I feel like sharing it I will no
matter what happens. Of course I must admit it feels really nice when you do
get feedback and recognition. Whether it's good or bad.:)"

" No feedback?  Well, it doesn't much affect my writing except to make me
write slower, but it definitely does make me choose where I post.  If I know a
place where I can get at least SOME feedback, I'm more likely to post there
than at a place where I get none.  If I don't think anyone is reading, I'm not
going to waste my time by prepping a post. "





Why did you choose to share your stories at JSG?

"It was one of the first lists I was on and everyone was very supportive when
I started writing."

"Well, I started off lurking...through another member who would foward stories
that she thought I would like and I was getting pissed off at that other
group, so I figured I'd join. And then after getting the courage I posted the
story I was most proud of...strangely- the easiest story I ever wrote. The
audience seemed very apreciative of the stories that others wrote and it seemd
like a good community."

"I write Luke/Mara fics often, and JSG was the place to post for that
category."

"It was a L/M group, with lots of L/M writers, and the dynamic was very
interesting. I loved the atmosphere of friendship that reigned here, and I
believed that I, too, was part of the good L/M writers."

" Because I like the quality of the stories in this group ( some of the best
I've seen )."

"Because of the people."

" JSG is my original group-home, and my original fandom.  I've been with JSG
since the beginning (barring a few years of silence while I was in college --
the horrors.  ::shudder::), and the group has always been good to me.  There
is a core group of extremely talented writers that I am ecstatic to have been
able to post and chat with.  I haven't been to the group in a while,
admittedly (that whole college thing), but we were a chatty group when I left,
and the sense of community was great."





In average, how many feedback do you (or did you) receive for your posts at
JSG?  Elsewhere?

"Difficult to say. I'd say I usually receive feedback from around 5 to 8
people. It used to be at least twice that much in earlier times. On other
lists, more than thrice that amount."

"JSG- 2 to 3, L/M - 2, Sith Chicks- 0"

"I've never done too well with my reviews, unfortunately.  I normally average
maybe four or five a chapter.  One or two stories, I've hit around ten a
chapter.  That's adding all the reviews from all the different locations
together.  JSG never stood out in the number or quality of feedback"

"I used to receive at least five to eight reviews per part here, now only two
or three, if even. Elsewhere, I can occasionally hit the ten to twelve reviews
per part, but that is very rare , even more than a post going completely
ignored and unacknowledged in any way…"

"It used to be a lot more in the past, but that was because more people a few
years ago knew me. Since I have been a bit of a lurker lately, not many know
who I am anymore. I’m sure many read but don’t comment later. It’s easier to
give feedback to someone you know, to get more personal that way."

" 2 per story everywhere"

" Gonna make me dig out my ff.net account, eh? I got about 10-12 per chaper,
more, if it was longer and I picked up more people. But that was in a
different fandom, and Potterfic generally has a larger following that SW."

" I got a few feedbacks, not alot, but a few and thats fine."

" Wow. . .it's been so long since I've posted at JSG that it's hard to say.  I
don't remember getting a terrible amount of feedback, however. At ff.net any
one of my stories pulled between 10-35 reviews (counting all of the people who
have randomly emailed me prodding for a sequel THAT THEY'RE NOT
GETTING. . .::ahem::).  I think, in general, the plot bunnies I choose are of
a strange and slightly venemous varitety, and not to everyone's taste."







Do you recommend JSG to fellow writers as a good place to post fics?

"I'd do it trying to revive the group with more good fiction, hoping that some
lurkers would speak up if there's more fic again. For someone who's
specifically seeking feedback I'd not recommend it."

"Some of the other writers I know don't write L/M...my beta reader, for
example, tends to write Quinlan Vos with other characters - so, although her
writing is hot, it wouldn't be truly accepted in this group...but I foward her
my feedback s that she can enjoy it too."

"Occassionally.  I pretty much let other writers know where I post or used to
post and let them draw their own conclusions."

"There's no flaming here, but there's no feedback, or not much anyway… so I'm
very divided about this question."

" Yes."

" It depends on what they write"

" For the most part, yeah. The community seems active, and really nice. But it
almost seems like you only give positive feedback. Admitedly, I haven't been
here very long. But personally, if I wrote something that sounded like it was
4th grade work, I'd like to be told so. I look back at some of the stuff I
wrote when I first got into fanfic, way back when I was in 7th grade or so,
and it's terrible. I would have preferred to be told that I really needed to
work on my writing, rather than just hear that I had good ideas."

" I already recommend you guys but yeah I would let them know that they could
get feedback and stuff there which motivates a lot of people."

" I think groups in general are a great place for writers to be, so
absolutely."






Would you recommend JSG to fellow writers if there were more reviews per post,
(either public or private review)?

"Yes."

"Of course"

"Hell yes!  Many writers thrive on feedback.  We like to know our work is
appreciated (doesn't everyone?)  If more people wrote responses at the JSG, I
would make sure the M/L writers I know would learn about it."

"For sure!! We need more places like that!"

"Absolutely!"

" Again it would depend on what they write"

" Well, something is better than nothing, so I wouldn't base my recommendation
on that. But yes, I would."

" More reviews are always helpful.  I could never complain about that. ;D"





Are you considering moving to other posting places, or focusing your efforts
elsewhere? If so, why?

" No."

"No...I like you...I'm staying with you guys."

"I had some trouble with my email address a few months ago, and when I
rejoined my Yahoo Groups, I didn't bother with the JSG, simply because the
feedback had dried up.  Now that this effort is being put in to correct that
misfortune, I plan to join again."

" Of course not. I would never leave the people ;)Even though im sure it has
felt like it since I've been extrememly busy and only being able to lurk."

"I have already begun, although I still remain as a reader. I just don't
really feel that the effort of writing L/M fics under pressure, or profusely,
is worth it anymore."

"Not really, but that’s because I know of no other places. But even if I found
other places, even more active ones, I’d still not abandon JSG. The more
places the better, I say."

" Not really. I have already started posting one other sites as well. But I
more than likely won't abandon this group"

"Not really. I'm a member of Mara_and_Luke, which consists of pretty much all
the same people, but that's it."

" Whenever I return to fanfic myself, I'll likely post here at JSG, at ff.net
(evil as it tends to be. . .) and at my own website once I get it up and
running (which should hopefully be soon)."





If you don't write anymore, did you stop because of the lack of feedback?

"I won't stop writing because of lack of feedback. I might just stop posting."

"No, I wouldn't stop writing,... but I may stop posting."

"I've been suffering from writer's block for the better part of a year,
partially due to apathetic readers, but mostly because my life has been
havoc.  Now that it's settled down, I plan to write again, and I sincerely
hope that the JSG members really turn around and begin reviewing again."

"My disappearance from the writers' community sure had a lot to do with the
frustration and heartache that followed me whenever I posted and went
unnoticed, unanswered, and basically ignored… Was I really, I don't know and,
quite honestly, I just don't have any way of figuring that one out unless
people speak to me and review my posts (telling me what they like and don't
like, why they read, or don't read). So, no reviews… no more posts from my
part. I still write, however, and I still share with those who show me more
consideration."

"Well, I am still writing so no worries there. But if I ever should stop it
would be for two things.
1. Real life somehow gets in the way & makes it impossible for me to
continue.
2. The feedbacks reduce to nothing & I would lose the spark to go on."

" Not really. I just got bored with Harry Potter, because I got into Star
Wars. I can really only focus on one fandom, one pairing at a time. I'm single-
minded like that."

" Sadly, that was part of the reason.  I was never sure if my work was being
received well, if anyone was enjoying it, if I had gone too overboard, been
too violent, etc, etc. . .  There were times I could have put time aside to
write, but I just didn't.  I kept telling myself people were probably just
afraid to critise me, and that's why I didn't get feedback.  And then
eventually college took over my life, and there wasn't much time or motivation
to write anymore."  (but, note above that this writer, who had stopped
writing, is now planning on returning 'thanks' to the feedback she recently
received about her old stories. Hint hint ;P)



In the end:

"I can only encourage the "silent" readers to share their opinion, either on
list or privately. It's not as though you need to write a novel. Elaborate
feedback is naturally an author's fav, but as far as I'm concerned, getting
a "I'm loving it. Keep it up!" is perfect as well. "

" I know how encouraging reviews can be, especially the random 'good story,
keep writing'. I wouldn't have written some of my stories without the support
of some faithful reviewers. I do know how my own stories end, after all.
However I was always grateful when someone had taken the time to point out my
faults, too. That way I was able to improve myself. "

" I still write. The hard part is finding the time to do it."




After all this honest and unique insight into our writers' motivations and
perceptions, I will say a few things:

1- Don't take for granted that the writers will post forever and just provide
you with free daily entertainment the way it happens on TV or elsewhere… just
like the professionals are encouraged by the contracts they get, the audience
they gather and the reviews they get, fanfic writers are extremely motivated
by the reviews of avid and interested readers. It's, as someone said, the fuel
to their engine, so if you don't want to stall in the middle of the fanfic
road, 'fuel' up the writers' engines.  Review the fics posted not only in this
group, but anywhere else on the web as well so that we will not let the world
of L/M, L/V and L fics whither and die because readers took for granted the
writers out there.

2-  With the no-lurker policy in force since the beginning of this summer, the
members of this group are 'expected' to be active reviewers. Remember, if
you 'never' have time to catch up like you promise to, just leave the group
and lurk from outside the group. As for if you have a little time then and
again, what is important is that you pop in at least once every four months so
that you are not a stranger to us, you know ;P  Finally, if you are normally
active but need to leave for a while, let us know so that I don't remove you
for lack of participation when I run a bi-annual check on lurking members (and
remove the lurkers).  According to the members' answers to the survey, you
have joined in here to read the fics; well, if you want more fics, do your
part and review what's posted. If you don't or don't want to, assume your
choice and sign out of this group before I lead a new cutting operation in a
few weeks from now.

3- We know it now; without feedback, there are less fanfics, and that's it.
Writing a fanfic takes time (hours that turn into months, and months that turn
into years in the case of the longer fics), dedication, and attention, and
feedback is the fuel that keeps the writers here with us as it is the only
form of reward that we can offer them for devoting their time and efforts to
the writing of a story before sharing it with us.

4- My goal with all this nagging and reminders is to be able to attract more
writers (like the great ones that are not in here yet) to the group. However,
the only money that I can offer to draw them in is a truthful promise of
useful and abundant feedback, and we're far from this at this moment…  Silence
and lack of reaction is simply no selling argument that I can use in an
invitation to possible new writers so, basically, we have a problem: we want
more fun, but we don't do anything much to 'create' and maintain alive that
fun. And I sure can't do it alone with Sienn, Fire, Blaze, Ladyflame and the
too few other active members of the group nowadays. So there we are…


In conlusion, I leave you with more writers' comments that I have gathered in
their answers to feedback throughout the past months. Think about those and
choose if you want to help keep fanfic alive in this group and on the web… or
not.

" I really can't tell you how great it makes me feel to know you take time out
to read this piece. "

"Hey! Don't worry, there is no such thing as too much feedback!"

"About posting the rest of the story, I will only post it when it will be
finished… and it might never get finished because no one reviewed it when I
first posted it here :("


The Mod team

p.s. To know about what is expected in feedback, read the next file.

Part 2 of this week-end's rousing posts.

If you feel the desire to become a reviewing reader after reading the last
post (which is an excellent and welcome turn of events), but that you think
that you don't know how to write it and that writers will not like what you
write to them, read what follows. It will demystify what the word 'feedback'
really means for the people who crave it in return of their writing and
sharing activities.

Basically, feedback is a free mean to tell the writers what you liked, loved,
and didn't like in their works. It doesn't have to be a novel, or as well
written as the stories that you enjoy. It simply has to 'be' and to be sent to
the writer.

Therefore, feedback can be a one-liner of three words, and it is still a
review.

Of course, the longer the feedback (more than one line), the more useful it is
to the writers because most of them are not only looking for praise. Instead,
they are eager to hear your comments especially because only you can tell them
what you liked and didn't like in their stories, what you really enjoyed and
what you think needs improvement, didn't match or had you frowning.

Once again, though, such feedback don't have to be extremely long. Just two or
three paragraphs (two lines each) will do the trick, not to mention make the
day of the writer.

Your comments can be about either:
- the ideas expressed in the chapter or the fic
- your emotions while you were reading it
- the quality of the characterizations (in character or out-of-character
(OOC))
- the quality of the writing (flawless, awesome, great, need some work,
need a beta for the grammar, the verb tenses, the punctuation, etc.)
- the realism of the events vs the movies and the official material out
there

As for pointing out elements that need improvement, one pleasant way to do for
both you and the writer is to use the rule of the hamburger ;P

Postive
Improvement possible
Positive

For example: I loved your intriguing ideas and characterizations, but your
sentence structure made it a little bit difficult for me to enjoy them
thoroughly (mostly in regards to the wrong usage of punctuation). However,
this story definitely has potential and I hope you'll keep writing it ;P I'm
curious to know what will happen next ;P



As for fics that you enjoyed, remember that you can express a range of
emotions through adjectives (nice, good, very good, great, terrific, awesome,
addictive, superb, flawless, etc.) and verbs (I liked, I loved, I adored,
etc.). The same thing is through about the things you liked less (uncertain,
confused, disappointed, etc.) (disagree, dislike, etc.) while remaining in
constructive territory.

Other words that can be used to express other types of emotions are:

Hooked
Charmed
Worried
Shocked
Cute
Romantic
Afraid
Terrified
Sweet
Nice
Wow
Bravo!
Applaud
Impressive
Impressed
Creative
Well-developed
Gorgeous
Beautiful
Awwww
Neat
Lovely
(Etc.)


On the other hand, words and attitudes to avoid are:

Direct attacks on the writer as a person
You suck
You shouldn't have written this
Waste of my time
That was not SW
The worst I've ever read (or one of the worse)
Etc.

Those are flames because they don't help the writer to improve his/her
weaknesses; they are only expressed to vent about the lack of fun that the
reader experienced… and that is not how constructive criticism is handled
because first and foremost, no one ever twists your arm to read a fic, and
second, the writer is a human and feeling person just as you and I and should
be respected as such (thus showed a certain level of courtesy and good
manners).


Finally, it is perfectly understandable that preferences will not always be
met by this or that story, but sometimes (like in a group), it is better to
say so at least once instead of never replying because that way, the writer
will know that the lack of feedback is at least not due to his/her writing
talents or the quality of his/her story. Preferences vary, and that's a fact.


So, with that being said, on with the reviews; there are plenty of stories in
the group (and the web) to comment on, and remember that reading and reviewing
an average-length post at the group takes a total of half-an-hour, or less… So
time is not 'that' much of an issue unless you're trying to catch up with
multi-poster stories… but then, if you remain silent, those stories might
never get completed per lack of encouragements in the first place… so just
think about that before remaining a lurker, huh?


Now, let's all have fun reading and reviewing fics :)
Love
The Mod team XXX

Fellow writers,

You will have noticed that JSG is a group that strongly encourages readers to
review the posted stories, and that we provide them with tips on how to do it.

However, in order to play their part of the fanfic game, readers have
expressed some concerns and frustrations of their own about the whole
reviewing business.

They go as follow:

First of all, readers don't want to review everything if they didn't like it,
and that is a fact that we respect. JSG's mod team is aware that even though
we all gather here for certain categories of fics, not everything that is (or
will be) written is to everyone's liking. There is a matter of preferences
even at this level of categorizations of fics, and that, no matter the degree
of talent of the writer. However, what we do encourage readers to do is to let
you know at least once that they don't read your fic for that particular
reason. That way, we figure that you will at least know that people are not
reading because your topic is not what they like to read about, and not that
you're a bad writer or that your story is not well-constructed. In short,
we want you to know if the silence of the readers is simply a matter of
preferences, so be understanding about this and keep writing (especially if
you still hit a chord with other readers :)


Another fact about most readers here (and on the web) is that they have a busy
real life and that they don't have a lot of time to read, so they tend to
collect the posts of the stories and plan to catch up with them later on. Once
again, we respect that and only ask of the readers to pipe in at least once
every four months and to offer reviews when they finally have time to read.
However, every member of JSG should, at one point or another, share some
comments about the fics in here. That, we do enforce in every possible way.

Thirdly, the readers sometimes hesitate about giving constructive criticism
because they don't want to upset the writers, but instead of commenting even a
bit, they remain silent. To help them understand that you are open to
constructive criticism (meaning that they can point out your stories'
strengths 'and' weaknesses and suggest ways to improve them and that you will
welcome those comments without being upset by them), tell them so in your fic
posts. Mention that you want to know about what they liked and didn't like so
as to improve your writing, and they will know that you will not be upset by
their constructive criticism.
However, if you only want to hear good things, ask only for positive feedback,
but be aware that it is possible that you will get less feedback that way...
It is simply a fact of experience that sometimes, it's hard to tell even one
good comment about someone's fic because it just needs much more work before
being posted...


Finally, just like you spend time writing your stories and hope to be
acknowledged in some way when you post them, reviewers expect some kind of
answers to their comments. Feedback isn't a due to a writer, you know? It's a
gift of kindness, time and effort from a reader's part (who most often doesn't
have much time to spare in the first place). So, if you want him/her to review
your next posts, thank them for their gift to you.

Responding to them is also a great way to make new friends on the web and have
even more fun sharing your fics in here :)

And that's it.

For now, we're aiming for an average of five reviews per post (if you don't
get it, mention it in the group or contact Mireille), but we'll gradually
raise the bar as things progress in the group. Stick in here and share your
fics with us!! I promise we'll be there to read and review them!!

Love
The Mod team!

p.s. Also, per respect for your fellow writers (here or elsewhere on the web),
remember that before using someone else's ideas from a fic, contact that
person and ask for their permission (and wait to get it before posting your
fic - with the proper disclaimers on top of the story). It's basic courtesy
between hard-working writers, and it's how we do things between fellow fanfic
writers who don't make a cent with those stories, yet still devote coutnless
hours (years sometimes) creating, tweaking and polishing those original babies
of ours. We have lost too many great writers already to rude plagiarism
behavior from uncaring writers; we must not lose anyone else anymore.

I have a request/suggestion/question for everyone. Please, please
don't take this as criticism or blame, but I have a problem with in
progress fics. I know everyone has a real life and writing
fanfiction is just a hobby, and I appreciate the honor you give us
readers by sharing your talent and passion.

However, (you knew it was coming, I know ;) ) There is frequently
long gaps between updates in stories. So much so, that I forget what
happened earlier. I know I can go to the archives and read previous
chapters, but that takes time I don't always have. Would it be
possible to add a small synopsis at the beginning of an update,
especially if it's been some time since the last one? Just a
paragraph or two with the main outline so far. I don't see this a
necessary if the last update is only a few days old, just when it's
been some time. For example, Living Darkness was updated earlier
this month and then not since early September. (I don't mean this to
be disrespectful to Sienn in any way, it's just the most recent
example.)

There are so many great fics going right now that I find it hard to
keep them straight, especially since they all seem to have the same
main characters <g>.

Please, I don't want any writer to think I am ungrateful for the time
and effort they put into doing a great job. I hope you keep it up.

Angela

This is such an amazing story so far-- but I may be biased.  I started reading
Luke and Mara stuff after following another story Ash was writing for Harry
Potter :)

My thoughts are with you during what I'm sure is a very hard time.

--- In jade-skywalker@yahoogroups.com, "jnhuk" <helen@...> wrote:
>
> Just for those folks who don't know and requesting updates. I'm sure Ash won't
mind me stepping in here and saying that she had a close family bereavement.
>
> Like you all, I've be desperately hoping for a continuation of this wonderful
fic and I'm sure Ash will finish when she is able.
>
> Don't give up heart!
> Helen
>
>
>
>
> --- In jade-skywalker@yahoogroups.com, "j_land123" <j_land123@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In jade-skywalker@yahoogroups.com, "Ash Darklighter" <ashontatooine1@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Hope you enjoy. At long last.
> > >
> > > Ash
> > >
> > >
> > > Out of the Shadows 38
> >
> > Ash-
> >
> > Any chance of this story being updated or has this great story faded into
the sunset?
> >
>

Hey everyone :)

Is anybody else watching the new Heroes season ?



Ray Park is in it :) Gorgeous, as always, and displaying his lethal skills
although they are altered by nifty special effects this time ;)

Still, thought I'd share this :)



Love

Mireille XXX

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