Darrian Ashoka wrote:
>
> From: Darrian Ashoka <darrian@...>
>
> Ok.  I guess this is as good a place as any to ask this (better than most
> probably).  I'm looking for good conspiracy stuff to read.  Chip already
> suggested 'Foucault's Pendulum' and 'The Crying of Lot 49' to me (I go to
> school with him.  What else out there is worth checking out?
>
> Matt
>
> Darrian Ashoka-Angel Killer/Demon Slayer
>
> "That is not dead which can eternal lie,
>  And with strange aeons even death may die."  -H.P. Lovecraft
>
> "It's entirely beyond my control."  -Valmont
>
> Good stuff to read re: the Con -

   1.The book of the Subgenius/Revelation X  "Fuck 'em if they can't take
a joke"
   2.Apocalype culture.  Adam Parfrey,ed.
   3.Principia Discordia
   4.All the Robert Anton Wilson books
   5.Ragmop, the comic by Rob Walton
   6.The Mighty Marvel Superheroes cookbook
   7.Anything published by Loompanics, AK press, Feral House, New Falcon

Space dan










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Ok.  I guess this is as good a place as any to ask this (better than most
probably).  I'm looking for good conspiracy stuff to read.  Chip already
suggested 'Foucault's Pendulum' and 'The Crying of Lot 49' to me (I go to
school with him.  What else out there is worth checking out?

Matt


Darrian Ashoka-Angel Killer/Demon Slayer



"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
  And with strange aeons even death may die."  -H.P. Lovecraft

"It's entirely beyond my control."  -Valmont

According to the Barbelith website, an author named Douglas Rushkoff
said  on <his> webpage that he had just finalized a deal with Artisan
Pictures to turn the Invisibles into a movie. Haven't heard about the tv
show.

---Johnny cat <slumberlord@...> wrote:
>
> From: Johnny cat <slumberlord@...>
>
>
> Does anyone know the status of the Invisibles movie and/or tv series?
> I think I remember reading that the tv series went bunk, but what
> about the flick?
> Anyone have casting choices?
> Is jeff noon still involved??


Didn't know the series divebombed. When did that happen?

Mr Whisper

---Patrick Spacek <p_spacek@...> wrote:
>
>  Besides, suggesting that occultism is inferior to Christianity, of
all
> things, strikes me as kind of funny. I'd be more impressed by Eco's
> debunking of superstition if he weren't advocating a different
> superstition as a substitute.
>
> pat spacek


Well said. I think the supernatural and the religious/mythological
says a lot about our humanity but the wholesale concentration on the
symbol over the idea of the symbol absolutely disappoints me in the
human race and always has.

Mr. Whisper

A guy named Chip said:
>  Right now I'm rereading
>_Foucault's Pendulum_ by Umberto Eco, which I've found to be the single
>best conspiracy novel I've ever read, closely followed by _The Crying
of
>Lot 49_.  As much fun as the _Illuminatus_ trilogy is, if you want some
>good mindblowing conspiracy things, I strongly recommend those two.

  Yeah, I liked 'Foucault's Pendulum,' but I also felt its ending was
intellectually dishonest. I mean, Eco spends the whole novel exploiting
and exploring the fact that far-fetched conspiracies are cool and
interesting, but then dismisses them at the end by saying they don't
measure up to Christianity. This bothered me.
  After all, yes, he's right, most occultism and conspiracy theories are
crap, and he's right to debunk the attitude behind them...but, as we
Invisibles readers know, all that paranoia stuff makes great *reading*.
It's imaginative. It's mentally and emotionally stimulating. My making
his novel basically suck its power from this modern mythology, and then
*sneer* at that mythology as being intellectually inferior, Eco isn't
being fair. We *need* our conspiracies! Believing in them, as the
loonies in his novel do, is really beside the point. They're fun to
think about.

  Besides, suggesting that occultism is inferior to Christianity, of all
things, strikes me as kind of funny. I'd be more impressed by Eco's
debunking of superstition if he weren't advocating a different
superstition as a substitute.

pat spacek
The Parking Lot is Full
http://www.plif.com

>has anyone written like robin did in the last issue?  like you walked into
>the writing, like something was writing you?  i did that once, a nd the
>story was called 'all tommorrow's parties.'  i don't want to know what
>issue 21 will be...

I've become nearly convinced that someone was writing my life for full
surreal novelistic effect;  is that what you mean?  If I am writing it, I'm
unaware of it.

i'm not sure if this is that sort of list, but *shrug*

i'm trying to work the invisibles as a guide for ecstatics.  comparative
religion, quantum psychology, modern mythology---

the Upanishads... faery witchcraft... dionysia... systems to get ex stasis
(out of stasis), to break open chaos like stars that you are--

has anyone written like robin did in the last issue?  like you walked into
the writing, like something was writing you?  i did that once, a nd the
story was called 'all tommorrow's parties.'  i don't want to know what
issue 21 will be...

'ta, and thanks for the desk set...

		 .always and sideways.
				 Melissa

	 >::melissa grant :: linotte@...::<
	 >::       'writing pornography in the        ::<
	 >::           notebook of the gods'          ::<
	 >::      www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~linotte     ::<

Does anyone know the status of the Invisibles movie and/or tv series?
I think I remember reading that the tv series went bunk, but what
about the flick?
Anyone have casting choices?
Is jeff noon still involved??
(If anyone hasn't read "Vurt" by jeff noon yet,  you need to.
immediately.)

                        live the chaos,
                                       tL

Gregg T Allinson wrote:
>
> From: essex_dog@... (Gregg T Allinson)
>
> On Tuesday, October 27th, Daniel Nash <daniel.nash@...> said:
>
> <<<I thought that Grant said that part of the problem with vol 1 losing
> sales was due to not having a regular artist on the series.>>>
>
> >From what I've heard, V3 is officially regarded as a 12-issue maxiseries
> and not a regular monthly over at DC.  Which means unless it really,
> really bombs out- we're talking legendary failure here- they're not going
> to cancel it.

Yeah, it HAS to sell more than "Sonic Disrupters"!

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Matthew Smylie wrote:

>
>     I too am finishing up Irvine Welsh's _Filth_. Quite a disturbing read.
> Like I told someone at the newsroom tonight, there are really no likable
> characters. But when you're reading Welsh, you get used to it.
>     Next on the list is Jon Stewart's _Naked Pictures of Famous People_.
> Can't wait.
>

I bought _Filth_ in late August or so, but haven't gotten up the effort to
read it yet.  After _Maribou Stork Nightmares_ I've found I have to be in
a really foul mood to thoroughly enjoy Welsh.  Right now I'm rereading
_Foucault's Pendulum_ by Umberto Eco, which I've found to be the single
best conspiracy novel I've ever read, closely followed by _The Crying of
Lot 49_.  As much fun as the _Illuminatus_ trilogy is, if you want some
good mindblowing conspiracy things, I strongly recommend those two.


Chip

does anyone on here subscribe with them

I sent them a check like 2 months ago, and was supposed to start with
issue #20, which I have not got yet.  They said I get it in november :(
that we get issues a month after the comic shops :(
does anyone else do this? cause i am getting my money back and buying in
the shops if that is the case :(

thanks :)


*******************************************************************************

Michael D. Fellows
"in the beginning when we were winning
when our smiles were genuine"


email : mfellows@...

I've found a way to make you
I've found a way
a way to make you smile

I read bad poetry
into your machine
I save your messages
just to hear your voice.
you always listen carefully
to awkwards rhymes.
you always say your name.
like I woulden't know it's you,
at your most beautiful.

I've found a way to make you
I've found a way
a way to make you smile

at my most beautiful
I count your eyelashes secretly.
with every one, whisper I love you.
I let you sleep.
I know you're closed eye watching me,
listening.
I thought I saw a smile.

I've found a way to make you
I've found a way
a way to make you smile

On Tuesday, October 27th, Daniel Nash <daniel.nash@...> said:

<<<I thought that Grant said that part of the problem with vol 1 losing
sales was due to not having a regular artist on the series.>>>

>From what I've heard, V3 is officially regarded as a 12-issue maxiseries
and not a regular monthly over at DC.  Which means unless it really,
really bombs out- we're talking legendary failure here- they're not going
to cancel it.

<<< Personally, I thought it worked better with different artists for
each storyline so
that the artist fitted the appropriate story.>>>

Sometimes I enjoyed it and other times I didn't think it worked so well.
To be honest, Yeowell didn't do a lot for me, although I have liked other
works of his that I've seen.

Au Bon Pain!,
Gregg

"Two lovers kissing amongst the scream of midnight, two lovers missing
the tranquility of solitude.  Getting a cab and travelling on buses,
reading the graffiti about slashed seat affairs...that's entertainment.
That's entertainment..."

				 -The Jam- That's Entertainment

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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Nash <daniel.nash@...>
To: invisibles@onelist.com <invisibles@onelist.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 12:36 PM
Subject: [invisibles] Books


>From: Daniel Nash <daniel.nash@...>
>
>What books is people reading out there?
>me am reading r a wilsons "everything under control" v good
>

     I too am finishing up Irvine Welsh's _Filth_. Quite a disturbing read.
Like I told someone at the newsroom tonight, there are really no likable
characters. But when you're reading Welsh, you get used to it.
     Next on the list is Jon Stewart's _Naked Pictures of Famous People_.
Can't wait.

matt

   "Only the winners or those sponsored Matthew Smylie
by them write the history of the times.    kingmob@...
That history decrees that only the
winners have a story worth telling."
--Irvine Welsh-- "Filth"

>AAAAAaaaaaa! I did not know this was out.  I am a huge coen brothers
>fan.  I have all their films on original.  Whats their next film?

I've had it for about 2 weeks now, I've only just had the chance to start
reading it, but if you love the films then definitely get the book.

Chris
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>Just finished reading Neal Stephenson's SNOW CRASH (I know, I know.
>I'm always late on the bandwagon). Same neurolingustic viral stuff
>Morrison did in the American Death Camp issues but no where near as
>crisply performed (though it must've been packed with some sort of
>plague-like goodness. I got a cold while reading the ruddy thing).

I read that this summer, out on a couple of islands in the Boundary
Waters/Quetico National Park in Canada.  Hell of a place to read a book
like that; I'm sitting there salivating at the prospect of the technology
(this is my reaction to Transmetropolitan, Neal Stephenson, most of the
'dark' future stuff; I could deal with plagues and nano-attacks if I could
have a maker and be a gargoyle, dammit).

It's amazing how non-crap all the computer stuff seems almost 10 years
after the book was written.  I found a copy of Stephenson's Zodiac this
August and read it as well;  I enjoyed it almost as much as Snow Crash and
moreso than the Diamond Age;  I know the Diamond Age is more developed an'
all, but it just left me cold.

---Daniel Nash <daniel.nash@...> wrote:
>
> From: Daniel Nash <daniel.nash@...>
>
> What books is people reading out there?
> me am reading r a wilsons "everything under control" v good
>


Just finished reading Neal Stephenson's SNOW CRASH (I know, I know.
I'm always late on the bandwagon). Same neurolingustic viral stuff
Morrison did in the American Death Camp issues but no where near as
crisply performed (though it must've been packed with some sort of
plague-like goodness. I got a cold while reading the ruddy thing).

Mr. Whisper

Hello, all. I'm new here... Hi!

Ummm. Here's what I'm reading RIGHT NOW!
BOOKS!
Towards Self-Meaning- Garrett Barden and Philip McShane S.J.
Pragmatism and Phenomenology-Sandr B. Rosenthal and Patrick L. Bourgeois
Golden Man-Philip K. Dick
The Selected Letters of Philip K. Dick 1938-1971

MAGAZINE!
this week's Entertainment Weekly

WEB-SITE!
Semiotics for Beginners
wysiwyg://50/http://www.argyroneta.com/s4b/sem01.html

and COMICS!
Well, I'm pretty much done with everything I bought this week, but I'll
tell you what I bought anyway!
Johnny Double #4
Invisibles:Bloody Hell In America (at long last!)
Hate Jamboree
Madman Jam #1 (kinda old...)
...and I don't remember what else.

Okay. That's it!

Deric Holloway

I have just received the new comics list for tomorrow (in the USA).
JLA #24
Hitman #32
hellblazer #132
skeleton key/sugar kat special
sugar buzz #4
alan moores songbook
buffy#2
tattered banners #2
new previews
pack of jim
fortean times #116

well, thats what ill be buying anyway.
dan

I'm almost finished with _Filth_, by Irvine Welsh.  As soon as I finish
that, I catch up on my massive class backlog of 18-19th Century American
Lit junk.  It was seemingly pointless and painful for the first 100 or so
pages, then had a lot of tantalizing bits in between the filth, so to
speak, and now it's just bizarre and intruiging.  Only a few chapters left
and I'm still piecing it together.  Plus the endearing obligatory cameos
from Trainspotting and Marabou Stork Nightmares characters.  Makes me want
to reread both of those and check for characters from Filth.

On the comics side, I'm enjoying the hell out of Black Panther, Jay &
Silent Bob, and Transmetropolitan.

Chris Peters wrote:
>
> From: "Chris Peters" <chris@...>


> I'm currently reading Gates of Eden by Ethan Coen of the Coen Brothers who
> did Fargo.  It's pretty cool so far, it's a book of his short stories, I'm
> only three stories in but it's been really funny, any one into their
> films should check it out.

AAAAAaaaaaa! I did not know this was out.  I am a huge coen brothers
fan.  I have all their films on original.  Whats their next film?

> On the Comics front I just read Batman/Judge Dredd - Die Laughing 1, that
> was ok, not the sort of thing I usually read but I though I'd check it out.
>
> Chris
> chris@...
>

The first bman/jd had eye-popping art by simon bisley but the rest have
been crap.  I really miss the old judge dredd stories by john wagner.
They were some of the best in 2000ad. I dont know if he is still writing
it?  Judge Dredd used to have some brilliant future prophesy/social
commentry  : future shock, those guns that fired the crowd control
sponge etc.

The hate jamboree has just come out and so has evil eye#2 and Geisha
from Oni press is cool.
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>What books is people reading out there?
>me am reading r a wilsons "everything under control" v good

I'm currently reading Gates of Eden by Ethan Coen of the Coen Brothers who
did Fargo.  It's pretty cool so far, it's a book of his short stories, I'm
only three stories in but it's been really funny, any one into their
films should check it out.

On the Comics front I just read Batman/Judge Dredd - Die Laughing 1, that
was ok, not the sort of thing I usually read but I though I'd check it out.

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What books is people reading out there?
me am reading r a wilsons "everything under control" v good

>
> >> Did she say if she is doing any of the third volume?  have you read
> >scary godmother?
>
> she indicated that she was contacted to do a portion of volume three.  not
> a full issue, she wasn't entirely sure how much, but she said all of the
> volume 1 and 2 people were being contacted.  I got a Ragged Robin (Leather
> Robin v2 no less) sketch, and I did buy the first Scary Godmother.  It was
> cute.  I had read the Action Girl story before.

I thought that Grant said that part of the problem with vol 1 losing
sales was due to not having a regular artist on the series.  Personally,
I thought it worked better with different artists for each storyline so
that the artist fitted the appropriate story.  Vol 2 needs a uniform
look because its all basically got the same theme - Americana.  I cant
wait to see phil bonds work again.



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At 08:13 PM 10/27/98 +0000, you wrote:
>What does master P content mean?

Um, Master P is the southern rap impresario and CEO of No Limit Records.
Horrible stuff.  Their album covers look like they were slapped together in
photoshop in ten minutes.

>> Did she say if she is doing any of the third volume?  have you read
>scary godmother?

she indicated that she was contacted to do a portion of volume three.  not
a full issue, she wasn't entirely sure how much, but she said all of the
volume 1 and 2 people were being contacted.  I got a Ragged Robin (Leather
Robin v2 no less) sketch, and I did buy the first Scary Godmother.  It was
cute.  I had read the Action Girl story before.

Chris Eckert wrote:
>
> From: Chris Eckert <kingmob@...>
>
> At 08:00 PM 10/27/98 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hello.  No limits, huh?  I'm scared.
>
> So help me, there had better be no Master P content on this list...

What does master P content mean?


> >Anyone going to see Grant Morrison at Manchester next thursday?
>
> no, but I saw Jill Thompson on Saturday.
>
> Did she say if she is doing any of the third volume?  have you read
scary godmother?



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At 08:00 PM 10/27/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello.  No limits, huh?  I'm scared.

So help me, there had better be no Master P content on this list...

>Anyone going to see Grant Morrison at Manchester next thursday?

no, but I saw Jill Thompson on Saturday.

invisibles-owner@onelist.com wrote:
>
> LEARN TO BECOME INVISIBLE
>
> TRY TO REMEMBER: IT'S ONLY A GAME.
>
> BRIT POP IS DEAD!
>
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>
> Welcome to the Invisibles Mailing List.  This list is available to discuss all
> things invisible, from Grant Morrison's comic "The Invisibles" to related
books
> to music to anything else imaginable.  There are no limits here; limits are a
> tool of the conspiracy.  Take advantage of the network of Invisibles
throughout
> the world.  Enjoy.


Hello.  No limits, huh?  I'm scared.

Anyone going to see Grant Morrison at Manchester next thursday?

Hi,

Good morning fellow blank badgers.  Somehow a blank badger conjures up a
picture of a bewildered, moderately large and somewhat rare indigenous British
mammal, rather than a member of the shock troups in the battle against
conformity.  Perhaps this is part of the cover!

Any road up.  I've just been re-reading Volume One and I'm surprised by how uch
I had forgotten.  The various appearences by the Chess-Playing Man and more
interestingly the hanging threads.  E.g. The original S&M man himself - He is
supposed to be important to the final outcome but vanished with a young boy in
tow about #9.  There's Division X, which in the letters column yonks ago Grant
told us would figure prominantly in Volume 2, presumably "Invisibly".

Well I just thought that I'd plonk my oar in to these waters and see who's out
there.

TTFN

Lord Jubalon Flux

PS - Remember: There are people out there who believe that no matter what you
do, who you do it with and where you do it, the Little Baby Jesus is watching
it all.  That's the really scary thing.

Well, as this list gets started up and more and more people subscribe,
I'll be posting occasional welcomes.  I'm Chip, the list moderator.  So to
start the discussion rolling, I would like people's opinions as to whom
the Blind Chessman is.  Mine is forthcoming.

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------------------------------------------------

[The English] are the most tribal group
of people on the planet. They hate one
another and they're stuck on this f---ing
little island. That's why they went out
and created an empire. Anyone with any
energy had to get out of this place and
kill somebody else. So they've invented this
veneer of civilization, but it's only to keep
them from killing each other.

Terry Gilliam

http://www.salonmagazine.com/ent/movies/int/1998/06/05int.html