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http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/
http://www.c-span.org/VideoArchives.asp?Cat=Issue&Code=DESE
(Transcribed for research purposes.)

911 Commission Testimony
National Commission on September 11 Terrorist Attacks

Remarks of NORAD Personnel: Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley, Maj. Gen. Larry
Arnold, Col. Alan Scott
May 23, 2003

NORAD Timeline presented by Col. Scott (ret.)
Col. Alan Scott
Good morning Mr. Chairman, Commissioners.  It is my pleasure to be
here with you today.  General Arnold and I worked together that day
on September 11th.  What I will walk you through here is a chronology
of the attacks and I presented it in a matrix form.  And the only
thing I lay claim to is having studied all of the attacks and how
they were interwoven together.  This was not a linear sequence of
events where one attack began and ended and then a second attack
began and ended.  This was a coordinated, well-planned attack.  We
had multiple airplanes in the air.  The fog and friction of war was
evident everywhere in the country both on the civil side as well as
the military side.
And this hopefully will show you how those interwoven events came
about.  I will tell you that the times on this chart come from our
logs.  The time on the chart is the time that's in the log.  It may
not be the exact time the event happened.  It may be the time when
the log keeper was advised or became aware of the event.

The first thing that happened in the morning, related to, related to
the events at 9:02, or I'm sorry, 8:02 A.M., EST, is when American
Airlines 11 took off out of Boston.  American Airlines 11 was a 767
and it was headed, I believe, to Los Angeles

Fourteen minutes later, also coming out of Boston Logan, United
Airlines 175, a 757, also headed to Los Angeles, took off out of
Boston and initially took roughly the same ground track as American
11.  Three minutes later American Airlines 77 took off out of Dulles
here in Washington, also headed to Los Angeles and also a 757 and
proceeded westbound towards the West Coast.  So now the first three
airplanes are airborne together.

The first time that anything untoward and this was gleaned from FAA
response and anything out of the ordinary happened was at 8:20 when
the electronic transponder in American Airlines 11 blinked off, if
you will, just disappeared from the screen. Obviously, the terrorists
turned that transponder off and that airplane, although it did not
disappear from the radar scope, it became a much, much more difficult
target to discern for the controllers who now only could look at the
primary radar return off the airplane.
That was at 8:20.  At 8:40, in our logs is the first occasion where
the FAA is reporting a possible hijacking of American Airlines Flight
11.  And the initial response to us at that time was a possible
hijacking; it had not been confirmed.

At that same moment, the F-15 alert aircraft at Otis Air Force Base,
Massachusetts, about 153 miles away were placed immediately on battle
stations by the Northeast Air Defense Sector Commander.

At 8:43, as this is going on, the fourth airplane, United 93 takes
off out of Newark, New Jersey.  It's a 757; it is headed for San
Francisco.

At 8:46, our next log event, we get the last and by the way, much of
this radar data for these primary targets was not seen that day.  It
was reconstructed days later by the 84th Radar Evaluation Squadron
and other agencies like it who are professionals at going back and
looking at radar tapes and then given that they are loaded with
knowledge after the fact, they can go and find things that perhaps
were not visible during the event itself.

At 8:46, the last data, near the Trade Center.  8:46, the first
impact on the Trade Center.
At that minute is when the Otis F-15s were scrambled and, again, they
are 153 miles away.  And that scramble came and Gen. Arnold, I'm sure
can address this, based on the conversation between the Northeast
Sector Commander and himself.

Those F-15s were airborne in six minutes.  That is well inside the
time that is allowed for them to get airborne.  But because they were
on battle stations, the pilots were in the cockpits ready to start
engines, that scramble time was shortened by a significant amount of
time.

At 8:53, that's a minute later, in the radar reconstruction, we are
now picking up primary radar contacts off of the F-15s out of Otis.

At 8:57, which is seven minutes after the first impact is according
to our logs when the FAA reports the first impact.  And about this
time is when CNN coverage to the general public is beginning to
appear on the TV, not of the impact, but of the burning tower shortly
thereafter.  So, you can see what in the military, I'm sure you have
heard us talk to the fog and friction of war.  And as the intensity
increases, the lag tends to also increase for how quickly information
gets passed.

At 9:02, United 175, the second airplane, which by the way, never
turned off its transponder before impact, crashes into the North
Tower, at 9:02.  The distance of those fighters which had been
scrambled out of Otis, at that particular point they were still 71
miles away, about 8 minutes out and going very fast.

At 9:05, FAA reports a possible hijack of United 175.  Again that's 3
minutes after the impact in the Tower.  It's how long it is taking
now for the information to flow through the system to the command and
control agencies and through the command and control agencies to the
pilots in the cockpits.

At 9:09, Langley F-16s are directed to battle stations just based on
the general situation, and the breaking news and the general
developing feeling about what's going on.  And about that same time,
kind of way out in the west is when American 77, which in the
meantime has turned off its transponder and turned left back toward
Washington, appears back in radar coverage.  And my understanding is
the FAA controllers now are beginning to pick up primary skin paints
on that airplane and they don't know exactly whether that is 77 and
they are asking a lot of people whether it is, including a C130
that's westbound toward Ohio.

At 9:11, the FAA reports a crash into the South Tower.  You can see
now that lag time has increased from 7 minutes from impact to report,
and now it's 9 minutes from impact to report and you can only imagine
what's going on on the floors of the control centers around the
country.

At 9:11, I just mentioned that, 9:16, now FAA reports a possible
hijack of United Flight 93, which is out in the Ohio area.  That's
the last flight that is going to impact the ground.

At 9:24, the FAA reports a possible hijack of 77.  That's some time
after they had been tracking its primary target.  And at that moment
as well is when the Langley F-16s were scrambled out of Langley.

At 9:25, American 77 is reported heading toward Washington, D.C., not
exactly precise information, just general information, across the
chat log.

9:27, Boston FAA reports a fifth aircraft missing, Delta Flight 89.
And you people have never heard of Delta Flight 89.  We call that the
first red herring of the day because there are a number of reported
possible hijackings that unfolded over the hours immediately
following the actual attack.  Delta 89 was not hijacked.  It enters
the system.  It increases the fog and friction, if you will, as we
begin to look for that.  But he lands about 7 or 8 minutes later and
clears out of the system.

At 9:30, that Langley F-16s are airborne.  They are 105 miles away
from the Washington area.

At 9:34, through chat, FAA is unable to precisely locate American
Airlines Flight 77.

At 9:35, F-16s are reported airborne.  And many times, reported
airborne is not exactly when they took off, it's just when the report
came down that they were airborne.

At 9:37, we have the last radar data near the Pentagon and 9:40,
immediately following that, is when 93 up North turns it transponder
off, out in the West toward Ohio and begins a left turn back toward
the East.

At 9:49, FAA reports that Delta 89, which had been reported as
missing, is now reported as a possible hijacking so again, he is....
I'm sorry 9:41.  Again he is in the system.  He is kind of a red
herring for us.

Now the only thing that I would point out on this chart is that this
says 9:43, American Airlines 77 impacts the Pentagon.  The timeline
on the impact on the Pentagon was changed to 9:37.  9:43 is the time
it was reported that day.  It was the time we used.  And it took
about two weeks to discover in the parking lot of the Pentagon this
entry camera for the parking lot, which happened to be oriented
toward the Pentagon at the time of impact.  And the recorded time is
9:37.  And that's why the timeline went from 9:43 to 9:37 because it
is the best documented evidence for the impact time that we have.

Getting toward the end now, 9:47 is when Delta 89 clears the system
by landing in Cleveland.  So he is not a hijack.  Lots of things are
going on now in the system as the Sectors begin to call both units
that are part of First Airforce and NORAD as well as units that have
nothing to do with us.  We are beginning to call everyone now and the
103rd Air Control Squadron, for instance, stationed in Connecticut is
an Air Control Squadron, a radar squadron, and they got their radar
online operational and begin to link their radar picture into the
Northeast system.  They are not normally part of NORAD.  This is
really the initial part of a huge push the rest of that day to link
as many radars in on the interior as we can, and to get as many
fighters on alert as we can.

At 10:02, United 93, last radar data and the estimated impact time
for United 93 is 10:03.

At 10:07, FAA reports that there may be a bomb on board 93.  That's
four minutes after the impact.

At 10:15, they report that it's crashed and you can see now the fog
and friction lag time has increased from 7 minutes to 9 minutes to 15
minutes because of the level of activities that are going on.

And there are notations here about other airplanes as we begin to
divert other airplanes that are just out intended for training that
day.  We're picking up the phone, calling Syracuse the Air National
Guard.  They are beginning to get flights airborne.  They are
beginning to arm those aircraft with whatever weapons they have handy
so we can posture that defense.

That is how the timeline unfolded.  As you can see, there is a fabric
of interwoven actions, which is not just a linear event.  So lots of
things going on, lots of activities, lots of CQ centers.  Sir, that
concludes my piece

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Mr. Chairman, we thought, right up front, we'd put that on the record
so that we could have that as a departure point for your questions.
I again caveat by saying that this is the North American Aerospace
Defense Command and Continental NORAD Region timeline.  Other
agencies may have other logs that may have different times.  But this
is the best and most accurate data that we could piece together for
your Commissioner, sir.  With that, I open up to questions.

Thomas Kean, Chair
Thank you very much.  Commissioner Ben-Veniste

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Good morning Gentlemen.  First I would like to personally commend
each of you and the dedicated men and woman who serve our nation
through NORAD.  I'd like to explain to you what you probably know
already and that is that our mandate as the Commission is to provide
the most detailed and accurate exposition in our final report of what
occurred leading up to the 9/11 tragedy and the events subsequent
thereto.  And so, please understand that our questions may be very
pointed.  We mean no disrespect but we have our mission, as well.
Now, Gen. McKinley, is it fair to say that the mission and the
primary responsibility of NORAD is to defend our homeland and our
citizens against air attack?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
On the day of September 11, 2001, our mission was to defend North
America, to surveil, to intercept, to identify and if necessary to
destroy those targets, which we were posturing were going to come
from outside our country.  In fact, that tracks originating over the
landmass of the United States were identified friendly by origin.
Therefore, those alert sites that were positioned on the morning of
September 11th, were looking out, primarily on our coasts at the Air
Defense Identification Zone which extends outwards of 100 to 200
miles off our shore.  So that was the main focus of NORAD at the time.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
I asked you about your responsibility, Sir.  And I ask you again
whether it was not your responsibility as NORAD to protect the United
States and its citizens against air attack?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
It is and it was and I would just caveat your comment by saying that
our mission was, at that time, not designed to take internal FAA
radar data, to track or to identify tracks originating within our
borders.  It was to look outward as a Cold War vestige, primarily
developed during the Cold War to protect against Soviet long-range
bomber penetration of our intercept zone.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Well I think Sir, you have used a good term – not good for the United
States but accurate, in terms of the vestigial mandate operationally
to look outward toward the borders rather than inward.  And by
vestigial, you mean I'm sure, as a result of our decades of
confrontation with the former Soviet Union.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Correct, Sir.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
And so, on the day of September 11th, if you can see these dots, I
know it may be difficult to see, NORAD was positioned in a perimeter
around the United States but nothing in the central region, nothing
on the border with Canada.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
That's correct, Sir.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Now let me ask you sir, whether the concept of terrorists using an
airplane as a weapon was something unknown to the intelligence
community on September 10th, 2001?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Very good question...

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Thank you.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
And I asked our staff to provide me some data on what they had that
morning.  As I said, Gen. Arnold was at the helm that morning.  But
basically, the comments I received from my staff was that there was
no intelligence indication at any level within NORAD or DOD of a
terrorist threat to commercial aviation prior to the attacks.  And
information from the daily Joint Chiefs Intelligence Report on the
morning of September 11th indicated no specific dangers or threats
within the country.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
My question Sir, and I mean no disrespect but we will save time if
you'll listen to what ask you.  My question is: the concept of
terrorists using airplanes as weapons was not something which was
unknown to the U.S. Intelligence community on September 10th, 2001.
Isn't that fair to say?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
I would like the Intelligence community to address that.  I would
find it hard to believe that they hadn't speculated against that.
But it was unavailable to us at the time.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Well, let's start for example with September 12th, 1994.  A Cessna
150L crashed into the south lawn of the White House barely missing
the building and killing the pilot.  Similarly, in December of 1994,
an Algerian armed Islamic group in Paris hijacked an Air France
flight in Algiers and threatened to crash it into the Eiffel Tower.
In October of 1996, the Intelligence community obtained information
regarding an Iranian plot to hijack a Japanese plane over Israel and
crash it into Tel Aviv.  In August of 1998, the Intelligence
community obtained information that a group of unidentified Arabs
planned to fly an explosive-laden plane from a foreign country into
the World Trade Center.  The information was passed on to the FBI and
the FAA.  In September of 1998, the Intelligence community obtained
information that Osama bin Laden's next operation could possibly
involve flying an aircraft loaded with explosives into a U.S. airport
and detonating it.  In August 2001, the Intelligence Community
obtained information regarding a plot to either bomb the U.S. Embassy
in Nairobi from an airplane or crash an airplane into it.  In
addition, in the Atlanta Olympics, the United States government and
the Dept. of Justice and my colleague Jamie Gorelick were involved in
planning against possible terrorist attacks at the Olympics, which
included the potential of an aircraft flying into the stadium.  In
July 2001, the G8 Summit in Genoa, attended by our President - among
the measures that were taken, were positioning surface-to-air
missiles, ringing Genoa, closing the Genoa airport and restricting
all airspace over Genoa.  Was not this information, Sir, available to
NORAD as of September 11th, 2001?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
It's obvious, by your categorization that those events all took place
and that NORAD had that information.  I would only add, Sir, that the
intelligence data that we postured our forces for and the training,
and the tactics, and the procedures that we used to prepare our
missions for support of the Combatant Commander of NORAD, had
hijacking as a primary intercept tactic.  And we have some of the
finest fighter pilots as you know in the world who are some of the
best people in the world, who can do their mission extremely well.
But we had not postured, prior to September 11th, 2001, for the
scenario that took place that day.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Well, obviously, it would be hard to imagine posturing for the exact
scenario but isn't it a fact, Sir, that prior to September 11th,
2001, NORAD had already in the works, plans to simulate in an
exercise, a simultaneous hijacking of two planes in the United
States.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Col. Scott, do you have any data on that?  I'm not aware of that,
Sir.  I was not present at the time.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
That was operation Amalgam Virgo.

Col. Alan Scott
Yes, Sir.  Specifically, operation Amalgam Virgo, which I was
involved in before I retired, was a scenario using a Third-World
United, not United, uninhabited aerial vehicle launched off a rogue
freighter in the Gulf of Mexico.  General Arnold can back me up, at
the time, one of our greatest concerns was the proliferation of
cruise missile technology and the ability for terrorists groups to
get that technology and get it close enough to our shores to launch
it.  In fact, this exercise, in this exercise we used actual drone,
MQM 107 drones, which are about the size of a cruise missile to
exercise our fighters and our radars in a Gulf of Mexico scenario.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
You are referring to Amalgam '01, are you not?

Col. Alan Scott
Yes, Sir.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
I'm referring to Amalgam '02, which was in the planning stages prior
to September 11th, 2001, Sir.  Is that correct?

Col. Alan Scott
That was after I retired and I was not involved in '02.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Will you accept that the exercise involved a simultaneous hijacking
scenario?

Col. Alan Scott
I was not involved in '02.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Sir, I do have some information on '02, if you would allow me to read
it for the record?

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Please.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Amalgam Virgo, in general, '02, was an exercise created to focus on
peacetime and contingency NORAD missions.  One of the peacetime
scenarios that is and has been a NORAD mission for years is support
to other government departments.  Within this mission falls
hijackings.  Creativity of the designer aside, prior to 9/11, hijack
motivations were based on political objectives, ie: asylum or release
of captured prisoners or political figures.  Threats of killing
hostages or crashing were left to the scriptwriters to invoke
creativity and broaden the required response for players.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Well, isn't that a bit fatuous given the specific information that
I've given you?  It wasn't in the minds of scriptwriters when the
Algerians had actually hijacked a plane which they were attempting to
fly into the Eiffel Tower and all the other scenarios which I've
mentioned to you.  I don't mean to argue with you but my question is,
Sir, given the awareness of the terrorists' use of planes as weapons,
how was it that NORAD was still focusing outward in protecting the
United States against attacks from the Soviet Union or elsewhere and
was not better prepared to defend against the hijackings scenarios of
a commercial jet, laden with fuel, used as a weapon to target
citizens of the United States?  When you say, our training, our
mission was vestigial, I think you said it in capsulated form but
would you agree that on the basis of the information available, that
there could have been better preparedness by NORAD to meet this
threat?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
In retrospect, Sir, I think I would agree with your comment.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
With respect to the bases that were available for protecting the East
Coast, and Col. Scott has gone through the scrambling of aircraft, I
want to focus just on one flight, Flight 77, and then, Secretary
Lehman will ask you some more specific questions.  With respect to
Flight 77, Sir, you testified previously before the House Armed
Services Committee and you were – I'm sorry, General Eberhart was
questioned.  You are familiar with his testimony, Sir?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Yes Sir.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Okay.  He was questioned about Flight 77 and because of the use of
Langley Airbase, which is 105 miles from our Capitol, as opposed to
say Andrews Air Force Base, which is in the neighborhood, the
question arises again about the positioning and the thought behind
the positioning of fighter planes to protect our Capitol in an
enhanced terrorist threat situation, such as existed on September
10th, September 9th, 2002.  Let me ask you about Flight 77 again.
The question was, the timeline that we've been given is that at 8:55
on September 11th, American Airlines Flight 77 began turning east,
away from it's intended course and at 9:10, Flight 77 was detected by
the FAA radar over West Virginia, heading east.  That was after the
two planes had already struck the Trade Center towers.  Is that
correct Col. Scott?

Col. Alan Scott
Yes Sir

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Now, 15 minutes later at 9:25, the FAA notified NORAD, according to
the statement, that Flight 77 was headed toward Washington.  (reading
from the record)

"Was that the first notification at 9:25 that NORAD or DOD had that
Flight 77 was probably hijacked?  And if it was, do you know why it
took 15 minutes for the FAA to notify NORAD?"

General Eberhart said, "Sir, there is one minor difference, I showed
it as 9:24 which you do as well that we were notified and that's the
first notification that we received."

"Do you know if that was the first notification to DOD?"

"Yes, Sir, that's the first documented notification that we received"

And I want to focus on the word "documented" because it's very
important for us to know when NORAD actually received notification
given the fact that the planes had already crashed into the World
Trade Center and given, I'm sure, the assumption that these were
terrorist acts and there could be more coming, more planes coming.
Is it, in fact correct Sir that the first notification of any type
that NORAD received was not until 9:24 with respect to Flight 77?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
With your concurrence Sir, I would like to ask Gen. Arnold to address
that.  He was on the floor that morning.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
The simple answer to your question is that I believe that to be the
fact.  That 9:24 was the first time that we had been advised of
American 77 as a possible hijacked airplane.  Our focus, you've got
to remember, that there is a lot of other things going on
simultaneous here, was on United 93, which was being pointed out to
us very aggressively, I might say, by the FAA.  Because our radar is
looking outward and not inward, the only way for us to know where
anything was for the FAA to pass along that information to us.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Is it not the case, Gen. Arnold, that there was an open line
established between FAA, NORAD and other agencies, including CIA and
FBI that morning?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Well, I wasn't on that line at that particular time if that were the
case.  In fact, there was an open line established between our
sectors at really the tactical level where they're controlling the
aircraft, talking to the FAA controllers from time-to-time.  We did
not have an open line at that time with the FAA.  That is not
accurate.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
You did not.  You were not, NORAD was not in contact by...

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
The Continental United States NORAD region, my headquarters, we are
responsible for the Continental United States air defense, did not
have an open line with the FAA at that time.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Was there some NORAD office that had an open line with the FAA
(crosstalk).  Excuse me, let me finish my question, please.  Was
there some NORAD office, and you'll forgive us because we had asked
for this information prior to the hearing from FAA and did not
receive it.  But we are advised that there was indeed an open line
between either the net or some other name given to a essentially an
ongoing conference, whereunder, in real-time, FAA was providing
information as it received it, immediately after the first crash into
the towers, we are told, with respect to each of the events that were
ongoing of any remarkable nature.  I see Gen. McKinley is nodding.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
I'd like to, if I may, address this based on my research and review
for this Commission.  It's my understanding that the FAA was in
contact with our Northeast Air Defense sector at Rome, New York.
Understanding the relationship of how we defend North America from
threats, NORAD located in Peterson Air Force Base, Colorado Springs,
our Continental NORAD region, our Air Operations Center located at
Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida.  That's where the Joint Force Air
Component Commander resides.  And then we have three sectors based on
the size and volume of our country that handle that.  It is my
understanding from talking with both FAA and our supervisors at the
Northeast Air Defense Sector in Rome that those lines were open and
that they were discussing these issues.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
So, is it fair to say that, at least, the NORAD personnel in Rome,
New York had information available to it in real-time - once it saw,
and we were advised that this occurred at approximately 9:02, within
22 minutes earlier, that Flight 77 first was observed deviating from
its course – something which in the context of what was going on that
day, would be quite interesting if not remarkable.

Col. Alan Scott
Sir, I think it is also important to understand that like the CONUS
region, the FAA is also broken down into subordinate command and
control centers, as well.  I know that the Boston Center was talking
directly to the Northeast Sector.  I don't believe that Flight 77 was
in Boston Center's airspace.  They were in Cleveland...

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
I think the FAA can report accurately on this but I believe 77 was in
Cleveland Center airspace when it developed the problem where they
lost its radar image.  And I believe, and the FAA can again testify
better to this, they would take action based on losing that
identification in Cleveland.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Well actually, I think, according to the information that we have,
the first indication was not a loss of radar contact but rather a
course deviation, with respect to Flight 77.  Now, I don't mean to
take up anymore time on this because we are going to want to follow-
up on all this information in great detail.  But, let me ask whether
there is regularly made a tape recording of these open-line
communications?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Not to my knowledge

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Not to my knowledge

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Does FAA, to your knowledge, keep a recording of these crisis
situations?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
I'm unaware but I would certainly direct that to them, please.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
To the best of your knowledge, you don't have anything further to
shed light on when you first learned, you NORAD, first learned of
Flight 77's probably hijack status, prior to 9:24 A.M.?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
I can provide that for the record.  I do not have any further
knowledge at this time.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
We would ask that you do so.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Yes Sir.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Thank you Mr. Chairman.  I will have some other questions after.

Thomas Kean, Chairman
Secretary Lehman

John Lehman, Commissioner
Thank you Generals.  I would also like to echo my colleagues
_expression of great admiration for you and your predecessor, your
command and your pilots, even though they might require long runways
to land.  (Laughter)

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
We understand.

John Lehman, Commissioner
One of the most serious responsibilities we have in addition to air
security is identifying the real dysfunctions in our intelligence
system that contributed to the tragedy.  And we had prior, as you
know, to your testimony Secretary Mineta, who indicated despite the
fact of this long litany of events and intelligence reports of the
growing probability that aircraft would be used as weapons.  Nothing
ever got to him and nothing apparently got to you.  And I assume,
General Arnold, nothing got to you.  This would seem to be a pretty
significant failure of our system because it exists to provide
product precisely to you, the most important users tasked with
defending us.  So, I'd to ask, we'll provide you a copy of this which
is from the Joint Inquiry Staff statement, if you could give us your
studied assessment of what went wrong in the way you interact with,
your command interacts with the intelligence community?   And why the
product did not get to you?  These were pretty dramatic events,
facts, and intelligence reports.  It would be very helpful to us to
have your assessment as a customer of the system, to what went so
seriously wrong, that you were still only looking out.

There is another, an issue that I would ask perhaps General Arnold to
address, because there is a great deal of unease and distress, I
think, understandably among many of the families, that somehow those
aircraft could have been shot down if people had not made mistakes.
And, I wonder if you would just take us through each flight, given
the posture that NORAD was in at the time, which was national policy
and not whatever based on erroneous intelligence perhaps.  But given
that posture, and given the times that NORAD was notified of the
deviation from, suggesting the possibility of hijacking.  Could the
aircraft on alert, for instance, at Otis have intercepted?  And then,
if you could also take us through 77 and 93, as well, with the F-16s
which.  And if you would, tell us as you take us through what the
armament was on the F-15s and on the F-16s that were scrambled
against 77 and 93.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Thank you, Sir, and I'll try to do that to the best of my ability.
And perhaps, Gen. McKinley has some data that he could shed light on
because I have been retired a little while and don't have access to
the staff for some of the very specifics on that.  But I will try to
do my best.  As you know through previous testimony from Gen.
Eberhart to Congress, we were in the middle of a NORAD exercise at
that particular time.  Which means, that basically our entire staff
was focused on being able to do the air operations center mission,
which was our job to do.  We had just come out of a video
teleconference with the NORAD staff and with our folks at that
particular time when I was handed note that we had a possible
hijacking in Boston Center.  And it had come from the Northeast Air
Defense Commander Col. Bob Meyer (phonetic) who is commander up there
and he had requested that I call him immediately.  And I was upstairs
in our facility.  I immediately went downstairs and picked up the
phone, asking on the way to my staff, is this part of the exercise?
Because quite honestly and frankly, we do do hijacking scenarios as
we go through these exercises from time-to-time.  But I realized that
it was not – that this was real-life.  And I also remember as I went
downstairs before I even talked to him that it had been a long time
since we had had a hijacking but the fact that we'd reviewed the
procedures, what it is that we do for a hijacking, because we were in
the middle of an exercise.  So we were pretty well familiar with
those procedures.  And, of course, we have our own checklist that we
follow.

As I picked up the phone, Bob told me that Boston Center had called a
possible hijacking within the system.  He had put the aircraft at
Otis on battle stations and wanted permission to scramble them.  I
told him to go ahead and scramble the airplanes and we'd get
permission later.  The reason for that is that the procedure,
hijacking is a law enforcement issue as is everything that takes off
from within the United States.  And only law enforcement can request
assistance from the military, which they did, in this particular
case.  The route, if you follow the book, is that they go to the duty
officer of the national military command center, who in turn makes an
inquiry to NORAD for the availability of fighters, who then gets
permission from someone representing the Sec. of Defense.  Once
that's approved, then we scramble aircraft.  We didn't wait for
that.  We scrambled the aircraft, told them to get airborne and we
would seek clearances later.

I picked up the phone, called NORAD, whose battle staff was in place
because of the exercise, talked to the deputy commander for
operations.  He said, I understand and we'll call Pentagon for those
particular clearances.  It was simultaneous almost with that decision
that we'd made that I'm looking at the TV monitor of the news network
and see the smoking hole in the north tower, of what turned out to be
the north tower of the World Trade Center.  Wondering, what is this?
And like many of us involved in that, does it have anything to do
with this particular incident?  Which, we didn't think it did because
we're talking Boston Center and we are not thinking of the immediate
New York Metropolitan area.

Shortly after that, of course, our airplanes became airborne after
that.  It just so happens that Col. Duffy, who was the pilot of that
first F-15, had been involved in some conversation because as the
telephone calls were made, he was aware that there was a hijacking in
the system.  And that was kind of interesting because he had
concluded that that indeed might have been that airplane and self-
elected to hit the afterburner and to speed up his way towards New
York.  Excuse me.

It was then very shortly thereafter that we saw on television the
second airplane, the United 175 crash into the south tower.  And the
first thing that I think most of us thought was this a re-run of the
first event.  But then it turned out to be the second event.  We had
no warning of that, whatsoever.  There was, from my staff a call, in
fact, that airplane was called hijacked or possibly hijacked later
on, which in the, as General McKinley referred to as the fog and
friction of war.  It actually caused further confusion because we
were not aware that which aircraft had actually crashed into the
towers.  We just knew that by now we had two airplanes that are
crashed into the towers.  We have two airplanes that are called
hijacked.  Again, we were still minutes away.  I think the record
said eight minutes away from New York City with F-15s that are moving
very rapidly in that direction.

Now, we have, before I get to 77 if it were, we get a call of United
Flight 93.

John Lehman, Commissioner
Well, before you go to that, I just wanted to make clear, there was
no possibility, given the lateness with which you were notified from
FAA of a possible hijacking, that those airplanes in full
afterburner, flying supersonic could have gotten there in time to
intercept either of those two planes.  Is that correct?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
That's correct.  That's correct. The first aircraft, of course,
American 11, crashed before our interceptors were airborne.  We
ordered the scramble almost simultaneously; our record shows the same
minute.  I'm not even sure which occurred first.  But it was almost
simultaneous that we ordered the scramble of the aircraft and the
impact into the north tower had occurred.  And so, by the time, even
the pilot accelerating to 1.5 mach, moving pretty fast, was still
eight minutes out by the time the second aircraft had crashed into
the tower.  And though, when the second aircraft crashed into the
tower, by now, I think as Sec. Mineta said, "This becomes a
pattern."  Certainly, I'd like to tell you that I was absolutely
certain at that time that we were under attack but I was not
absolutely certain that we were under attack at that particular
time.  But we knew that this pattern had to be dealt with at that
particular time.  And then very shortly thereafter, we got a call on
the United 93 flight being a possible hijacking.  And that aircraft,
as you, well, I don't know as you know, but it wandered around.  That
aircraft wandered around and flew up over the northern part of
Pennsylvania and Ohio.  Mixed in with this was a call about a Delta
flight that was possibly hijacked.  So, now our focus is we are under
attack.  What are we going to do in order to be in position to
intercept another aircraft should it threaten someplace in the United
States?  And that place, of course, we would not know.

In the Northeast, at this particular time, we had no other aircraft
available.  The aircraft out of Otis had taken off.  We looked at
aircraft that were returning from a Michigan, a Michigan Air National
Guard aircraft, returning from the range.  Because at one time, we
thought either the Delta flight or the United 93 might pose a threat
to Detroit.  We tried to get airplanes airborne out of the Toledo Air
National Guard, at that particular time.  Can you get anything
airborne?  Because we had this United 93 and this Delta flight.  We
need to intercept it and see what is going on with those particular
aircraft.

Syracuse, New York, its Air National Guard Unit, we inquired with
them their ability to get airborne and ultimately they did, somewhat
later, at that particular time.  And so in the record, you see the
time we were notified of the American flight 77 as being possibly
hijacked.  I can tell you that I did not know and I don't believe
anybody in our NORAD system knew where that airplane was.  We were
advised that it was possibly hijacked.  And we had launched, almost
simultaneously with that, we launched the aircraft out of  Langley to
put them over top of Washington, D.C. – not in response to American
Airlines 77 but really to put them in position in case United 93 were
to head that way.  They were the closest fighters that we had and we
started vectoring them to move toward the Washington, D.C. area.

John Lehman, Commissioner
Did they also go into burner?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
No Sir.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Sir, they, based on their configuration traveled at .98 mach, roughly
575 knots, 660 miles per hour about ten nautical miles per minute.

John Lehman, Commissioner
If they had gone into burner, could they have gotten there in time to
get 77?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I think if those aircraft had gotten airborne immediately, if we were
operating under something other than peacetime rules where they could
have turned immediately for Washington, D.C., and gone into burner,
it is physically possible that they could have gotten over
Washington, D.C.

John Lehman, Commissioner
Why did they head out to sea first?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Our standard, we have agreements with the FAA.  And by the way, we
are looking outward, this is an advantage to us.  And so we have
agreements for clearance.  When we scramble an aircraft, there is a
line that's picked up and the FAA and everyone is on that line and
the aircraft take off and they have a predetermined departure route.
And, of course, it's out over water because our mission, unlike law
enforcement's mission is to protect things coming towards the United
States.  And I might even add in all of our terrorist scenarios that
we run, the aircraft, if we were to intercept an aircraft, it is
usually always from outside the United States coming towards us.  So,
our peacetime procedures are (garbled) to de-conflict with civil
aviation so as to not have, endanger civil aviation in any particular
way.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Secretary Lehman, also if I may add, the complexity of the air
traffic over the Northeast corridor is so complex that to just launch
fighters, as you know Sir from your background, into that air traffic
system can cause potential damage or mid-air collisions.  So we rely
on the FAA to de-conflict those corridors.  And that is another
reason why it vectored east originally.

John Lehman, Commissioner
The armament on the F-15s and the F-16s was?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
The armament, as I recall and Gen. McKinley can correct me on that,
we had full-up armament on all those aircraft with both radar and
heat-seeking missiles, as well as guns.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
(garbled)

John Lehman, Commissioner
So to continue with 77, it's fair to say that if you had got a more
timely notification from FAA and particularly with regard to where it
was heading, that those F-16s launched from Langley could possibly
have gotten there before they hit the Pentagon?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
It is certainly physically possible that they could have gotten into
the area.  And the speculation as to whether we could actually
intercepted the aircraft by that time – because everything we were
doing remember was being relayed from the FAA.  We have no visibility
on those aircraft, couldn't see, we had no radars, couldn't talk to
our pilots.  FAA did a marvelous job during that period of time in
doing radio relays and assisting us in being able to.....

John Lehman, Commissioner
Now, if 93 had not crashed, would it not have been possible for the F-
16s to have intercepted 93?  And do you think they would have?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
It was our intent to intercept United Flight 93.  In fact, my own
staff, we were orbiting now over Washington, D.C. by this time and I
was personally anxious to see what 93 was going to do.  And our
intent was to intercept it.  But we decided to stay over Washington,
D.C. because there was not that urgency and, if there were other
aircraft coming from another quadrant, another vector, we would have
been pulled off station and we would not have been able to – there
might have been an aircraft that popped up within the system closer
that would have posed a larger threat to the Washington, D.C. area.
So we elected to remain over D.C. until that aircraft was definitely
coming towards us.  And as you know, the brave men and women who took
over that aircraft prevented us from making the awful decision which
the young men that were flying those aircraft would have lived with
for the rest of their lives if they had had to do that.

John Lehman, Commissioner
Now, in a short answer, why with the previous attempt of a light
plane to hit the White House wasn't Andrews Air Force Base with F-16s
and marine F-18s available part of the alert?  And I understand, I'd
also like to have you comment on what the role of the Secret Service
was in scrambling those F-16s?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Are you talking about..

John Lehman, Commissioner
the Andrews airplanes

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
the Andrews airplanes.  It is my understanding that the Secret
Service – obviously they worked with the 113th because the President,
Air Force One, is located out at Andrews Air Force Base, so they had
personal knowledge of those, of the people out there and the
telephone number, and I cannot speculate whether they knew what we
were doing or not.  But in the urgency to get something done, they
made a phone call to the 113th, I learned later.  I did not know that
at the time.  And asked them to get anything they could airborne.
And I think the quote was: "To protect the House."

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
And the 113th is the 113th Fighter Wing at Andrews, the District of
Columbia Air National Guard F-16 Wing.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
And not part of NORAD.

John Lehman, Commissioner
Now you said that the clear delineation was you were looking outward
and to do anything inward, you had to get authorization from a law
enforcement agency.  And that is covered, as I understand it, by JCS
Instruction 3610 on Aircraft Piracy.  In that instruction, as I read
it, which I believe is still in effect...

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
That's correct, Sir.

John Lehman, Commissioner
You don't have any delegated authority to interdict.  In fact, there
is no mention of interdiction in that it's purely an escort
function.  This is still in effect.  Now, presumably, you are not
following it to the letter and I would like you to speak to what the
chain of command is now.  Who has authority to interdict, to shoot
down and where is it delegated and are there published rules of
engagement as to what criteria apply to make that decision?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Sir, I'd be happy to answer that.  And I thank Gen. Arnold for his
comments about the actual day.  I appreciate him being here today.
Quite frankly Sir, since September 11, 2001, the Dept. of Defense,
United States Air Force has put a lot of resources into what we call
Operation Noble Eagle.  As President Bush said, it's the second front
in the war on terrorism.  And as I said in my opening remarks, we
flown 30,000 sorties.  In fact, overhead, today, here, our Noble
Eagle pilots are flying, in addition, to being supplanted with ground-
based air defense artillery.  A lot of effort has gone into taking a
look at the things that were not done right prior to, to prepare
ourselves for the aftermath.  And it is an honor for me to represent
the men and women who do that.  Quite frankly, our relationships
began at 9/11 and the aftermath with Gen. Arnold and our staff to
work with the Federal Aviation Administration, to bring in those
radar facilities so that our controllers at our Northeast, Southeast,
and Western Air Defense Sectors have visibility internally now.  And
that has been completed.  In addition to seeing internally to the
United States, we must be able to communicate to the pilots who fly
our interceptor missions so that we can have clear lines of control
back to our command element, Gen. Eberhart, in Colorado Springs.

John Lehman, Commissioner
Just to interrupt, on the radar visibility, are you dependent on the
FAA radars which have very little capability in a non-transponder
environment or can you, do you have the better air defense radar?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Sir, we try to put the best radars in effect for the mission.  Most
of those are FAA radars.  Most of them are old radars but they've
been maintained properly and we are actually putting Dept. of Defense
people out to make sure those radars are calibrated for our
missions.  So, therefore, we are using their radars.  We are using
air control squadrons, both active duty, Guard, and Reserve to
supplement those.  We, in fact, use the United States Navy every
chance we can because their Aegis cruisers are so capable that we
link their pictures into our air combat command center at Tyndall.
So we are doing the absolute best job with the resources we've been
given to make sure that internal picture now is transparent to our
air battle managers.   So that military controllers when asked now
can pinpoint immediately an aircraft in distress, that we can find
the nearest suitable fighter location, which I can say is substantial
today.  In open testimony I'd not like to go into the details of the
numbers of alert facilities but it goes up and down depending on the
threat.  But it is internal now to the United States, which it wasn't
on the 11th of September.  So this capacity, this Operation Noble
Eagle which gives the military far more responsibility and latitude
to do this mission now has allowed us to be far more capable.  And we
have been involved in every airline incident that we have been asked
to perform with, with the Federal Aviation Administration, subsequent
to 9/11, whether there be a disturbance on board, whether it be an
aircraft emergency, whether it be to protect critical infrastructure
or major population centers, we are there.

John Lehman, Commissioner
To follow-up on that, General Arnold, did you have authority to shoot
down 93 when it was heading towards Washington and where did you get
it?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
A lot of discussion on that.  Our intent on United 93, the simple
answer is to my knowledge, I did not have authority to shoot that
aircraft down.  We were informed after that airplane was already, had
hit the ground.  The simple answer.....

Jamie Gorelick, Commissioner
I'm sorry, could you say that again, you were informed of what after
it hit the ground?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
We were informed of Presidential authority some five minutes after
that aircraft had hit the ground, according to our records.

John Lehman, Commissioner
So you were given it after the fact – Presidential authority to shoot
it down.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
To my knowledge.  Now I can tell you that in our discussion, in our
discussion with the NORAD staff at that particular time, that we, we
intended to intercept that aircraft at some point in time and attempt
to deviate that aircraft away from the Washington, D.C. area.  There
was discussion at that particular time whether or not that aircraft
would be shot down.  But we, I did not know of Presidential shoot-
down authority until after that aircraft had crashed.

John Lehman, Commissioner
Uh-huh, and General McKinley can you take us to the present and where
those authorities lie now.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Yes, Sir.  Subsequent to 9/11, the President delegated to the
Secretary of Defense, delegated to the Combatant Commander of NORAD
and now United States Northern Command has the authority to declare a
hostile target.  Our fighter interceptors will be in position to
accept that hostile declaration and the clearance authorities will be
passed up to the highest authority.  We've improved our
communications equipment.  We have secure telephones that allow us to
contact, immediately, the powers in the chain of command and I, as
the the Joint Force Air Component Commander, have delegated emergency
authority.  In the very rare occasion where either a telephone fails
or we cannot get authority and under emergency powers, can exercise
that authority.  So the clearances now in place.  Gen. Eberhart is in
place in Colorado Springs or his designated representative.  We
exercise this in real world, not exercise, probably between 8 and 15
times a week.  So it's been well documented.  Any national security
event will bring together the forces and those lines of communication
are open now.   Clearances are there.

John Lehman, Commissioner
Thank you.  As you know, our rules of engagement are many (tape swap)

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
From what source did you receive the shoot down authority?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I did not receive shoot-down authority.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
You say it was received subsequent to the crash of 93?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Yes, that's correct.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
From what source was that received?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
It was passed down to us from the NORAD, from Cheyenne Mountain, that
they had received shoot down authority.  Then, the time frame escapes
me at the moment, but you know for example over the Washington, D.C.
area, it was declared a no fly zone.  And just by the fact that any
aircraft was present, if we could not determine if that aircraft was
friendly, then we were cleared to shoot that aircraft down.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
When was the declaration of no fly zone authorized?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I don't know.  It was shortly during that timeframe.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
So, are you saying that that declaration gave you shoot down
authority?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
It gave us, that particular declaration that I'm referring to is a
Class Bravo airspace within the Washington, D.C. area was shut down
to aviation, except for military or for law enforcement, emergency
response aircraft, at that particular time.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
So, help me understand, does it mean once that condition exists, that
unless you are able to determine that this was a friendly aircraft,
which under the circumstances I suppose means under the control of
the terrorists at that time, making it unfriendly aircraft, that you
had authority, by whatever means to bring it down?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
That's true.  Yes.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
At what time during this process was that order issued and who issued
it?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I do not know who issued it.  It's my understanding it was issued by
the President or the Vice President, in his stead, that that order
was issued.  And it was issued around the time that we decided to put
all the aircraft on the ground as Mr. Mineta, or Secretary Mineta,
had referred to, at that particular time.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
We would ask you to supplement your testimony today with specific
information about that.  At what point was, to the best of your
knowledge, any order received from either the President or the Vice
President of the United States with respect to action to be taken by
the military in connection with the on-going situation?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
It was my understanding that that occurred, the direct communication,
to me, I can't answer if it was done at a higher level at some point
in time, around 5 minutes after the United 93 has crashed into
Pennsylvania.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commission
And so you would be able to check the records of NORAD generally, or
the DOD generally, to find out when a Presidential directive was
issued.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I'm sure Gen. McKinley will do that for me.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Thank you.  And if I understand the context of what you've said about
closing the perimeter around Washington, the President's directive or
the Vice President's directive would have been moot because of the
prior order which would have enabled you to shoot down an unfriendly
plane in that sector.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Well, you know, we develop a certain, I guess the short answer again
is correct.  But it's very specifically in the Washington, D.C. area
by presence, that aircraft was hostile unless we could determine that
it was friendly.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Let me go to the issue, again to revisit Flight 77 because as we
understand it, tragically it appears that that was the only plane
which reached its intended target which might have been interdicted
that day, if everything had gone right.  Are you in agreement with
that?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I think, you know from a physics perspective, yes that's correct.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Well, let's go beyond physics, for a moment.  And let me ask you
about the planes which were scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base.
Now from Andrews Air Force Base by the Secret Service of the United
States, who gave the order to scramble jets, F-16s also, I believe,
out of Andrews?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
It is my understanding that the FAA, that the Secret Service
requested that they launch anything they could to get them airborne.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Of whom did they make that request?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I'm not sure if it was Gen. Worley (phonetic), Dave Worley himself.
Gen. Worley is the wing commander, Gen. Dave Worley.  And I think
they actually talked to him and I did not know this at the time, of
course.  But just in, they called him up and said what do you have
that you can get airborne?  He had some airplanes returning from the
range on the training mission.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
What would be the flight time from Andrews Air Force Base of two F-
16s to the Pentagon?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
From the time they were notified?

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Yes

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Probably 15 to 20 minutes because it takes about 10 minutes to get
airborne.  And they are not set up on alert for scramble.  In fact,
it could have taken – they didn't have any airplanes immediately
ready to go; it could have taken them 20 or 30 minutes.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
And, under the circumstances.....

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
We already had airplanes airborne, by the time those airplanes were
airborne, we had airplanes over Washington, D.C.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Right, now if the order had been given to Andrews even simultaneously
with the order that you gave to scramble your planes, is it not fair
to say that those planes would have reached the Pentagon sooner?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
They might have but they would have been unarmed.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Sir, yes that would be my comment, sir, is those aircraft are not
prepped or built-up for that mission.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
And in fact, we have received reports that are almost incredible in
terms of the bravery of the two pilots who went up that day in
unarmed aircraft with the mission, I presume, authorized somewhere in
the executive to use their airplanes to bring down Flight 77 or 93 if
they could interdict them.  That means to clip their wings, crash
into them, perhaps, the pilots at the risk of their own lives.  Is
that correct?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Sir, as I evacuated the Pentagon that morning, as I came out the
river entrance and looked up, virtually simultaneously those F-16s
coming back from the range, had been airborne, had dropped their
weapons, were returning low on fuel, were visible to ten to fifteen
thousand people.  And it was a very heartening sight to see United
States Air Force fighters overhead the Pentagon.  And it is my
understanding from the review of the records that that was their
guidance.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
And who provided that guidance to them?  Was that a decision made
internally by Secret Service or did Secret Service require higher
executive order in order to launch those planes on that mission?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I do not know that.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
I'm unaware of the answer to that, sir.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Mr. Chairman.  Thank you very much, gentlemen.

Thomas Kean, Chairman
I've got one question.  Suppose for a minute that this weekend, God
forbid that some terrorist got onboard another plane in Boston and
headed for New York, what would be different?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Sir, I'm very proud to say that I think the interagency process has
worked very, very well.  The Transportation Security Administration
under the direction of Secretary Ridge has implemented stringent
procedures on the ground.  Let's face it, solving this problem before
the terrorists get on the airplane, I think is the most critical step
to protecting commercial aviation because once the airplane is in the
air, then it resolves back to the Dept. of Defense to take the
appropriate action.  So, TSA deserves a great deal of credit.
Federal Aviation Administration with their procedures and the way
they are lashed up with us now in the military.  And the formation of
the Northern Command, I think is vitally important to the security of
the United States of America.  And, I think, those things in context
make it far less likely for this to happen.  But, as my boss says, we
are not 100% safe.  We can never be 100% safe.  I take nothing for
granted when I'm in our Air Operations Center when any aircraft fails
to communicate or fails to make a turn, or fails to do what it's
being – it's flight plan said it was supposed to.  So, we are very,
very serious today about what's happening in the skies over America.

Thomas Kean, Chairman
But if it were able to get into the air, headed for New York, would
you be, what procedures exist now that didn't exist then?  Would you
be able to intercept it?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
It's my understanding and firm belief that the Federal Aviation
Administration would immediately notify us at the first sign of any
impropriety in any aircraft, whether it's commercial, cargo or
civilian.  We would immediately take action to get our fighters
airborne from the nearest suitable location.  And we have that
location set now where we didn't have it prior to the 11th.  We
should be able to protect our critical infrastructure, our major
population centers.  But there is, as in any case in the military
effort, there are some risks but we are postured to accept that
responsibility.  So the example you gave us out of Boston is the F-
15s out of Otis would be immediately scrambled, they would
immediately intercept the aircraft and we would stand by for further
authorities from those above us.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I would just point out that if the question were if it happened
today.  You have airborne interceptors that would be vectored into
those aircraft, to intercept.

Thomas Kean, Chairman
Commissioner Hamilton

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
I just want to clarify a few things after listening to all this
testimony; it's not all that clear to me.  As of September 11th, only
the President had the authority to order a shoot down of a commercial
aircraft?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
That's correct, Sir.

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
And today, who has the authority?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
We see the President, delegated to the Secretary of Defense,
delegated to the Combatant Commander of Northern Command and the
North American Airspace Command and there are emergency authorities
if that fails.

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
So you have authority.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Yes sir and others.

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
And how many others?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
I'd prefer not to say in this forum sir, but I can provide it for the
record.

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
And you do not have to go up the chain of command at all in the event
of an emergency...

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
We certainly will try.

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
I know that.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
We will make every effort to try.

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
I'm sure you would.  But you don't have to.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
In an emergency situation, we can take appropriate action.  Yes sir.

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
Now one of the things that's curious to me is, General Arnold you
said that you did not learn of the Presidential order until after the
United 93 had already crashed.  That was about a little after ten
o'clock in the morning.  The first notice of difficulty here was at
8:20 in the morning when a transponder goes off on the American
flight 11.  I don't know how significant that is but twenty minutes
later you had notification of a possible hijack.  So there is a long
lapse of time here between the time you are initially alerted and you
receive the order that you could shoot that aircraft down.  Am I
right about that?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
That's correct.

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
In your timeline, why don't you put in there when you were notified?

Col. Alan Scott
For which flight, Sir?

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
(Crosstalk) Well, getting the notification from the President of the
United States that you have the authority to shoot a commercial
aircraft down is a pretty significant event.  Why would that not be
in your timeline?

Col. Alan Scott
I don't know when that happened.

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
Have you ever received that kind of a notice before?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Not to my knowledge.

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
So this is the first time in the history of the country that such an
order had ever been given, so far as you know.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Yes, sir.  I'm sure there is a log that would tell us that and I
appreciate the question.

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
Yeah, maybe you could let us know that.  And then finally, as I
understand your testimony, it was not possible to shoot down any of
these aircraft before they struck.  Is that basically correct?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
That is correct.  In fact, the American Airlines 77, if we were to
have arrived overhead at that particular point, I don't think that we
would have shot that aircraft down.

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
Because?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Well, we had not been given authority to shoot down (crosstalk)

Lee Hamilton, Vice Chair
You didn't have authority at that point.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
And, you know, it is through hindsight that we are certain that this
was a coordinated attack on the United States.

John Lehman, Commissioner
But had you gotten scrambled earlier, notified earlier of 77's
deviance about when it turned east, for instance, certainly you could
have gotten the F-16s there and presumably there would have been time
to communicate to either get or be denied authority, no?  For 77.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I believe that to be true.  I believe that to be true.  It had to
happen very fast but I believe that be true.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
What efforts were made that day to contact the President to seek that
authority?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I do not know.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Who would have been in the chain of command seeking authority from
the President with whom anyone at NORAD was communicating?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Can you answer that?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
The command director in Cheyenne Mountain is connected with the
Combatant Commander who would have had the telephone lines open at
that point.  But I don't have knowledge of what happened that day –
but that would be the way it would be done.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
The flow would be through the Secretary of Defense obviously to ....

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
But the Secretary of Defense was under attack in the Pentagon.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
He was evacuating – yes sir.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Now in terms of anything you know today, looking backwards, including
all the after-action reports and various studies which I'm sure have
been conducted internally and I'm sure which we will wish to review.
Can you not tell us whether there was any effort made to contact the
President to seek authority in dealing with what appeared to be a
coordinated attack?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
I don't have knowledge at this time to make a comment on that, sir.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I don't have knowledge of that.  Our actions, our actions were to try
to get aircraft in position to intercept if necessary.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Just going back because now I'm confused by on the one hand your
statement that the closing of the airspace over Washington provided
de facto authority to take whatever measures were necessary to deal
with hostile aircraft and your statement that we probably would not
have shot down 77 if we had arrived in time.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
The airspace had not been shut down over Washington, D.C. at that
time.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
What time was that?  Is that on the timeline?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I believe it is.  I believe it was reported by Secretary Mineta – the
timeline that that occurred.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
It's not on your timeline.

Col. Alan Scott
No sir, it's not.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
Well do you know what time that was?

Col. Alan Scott
Sir, the only thing I've seen is we have a copy provided by Gen.
Worley (phonetic) of an Andrews Tower transmission that announced to
all aviation traffic that Class B airspace was closed and that air
traffic that did not cooperate would be shot down.

Richard Ben-Veniste, Commissioner
What time was that, Col. Scott?

Col. Alan Scott
Sir, we'd have to go to the tower logs and we can get that for you.
The tower log will show us what time that transmission was made but I
don't know what time it was made.

Richard Ben-Veniste
And on whose order was that directive given that any plane in this
sector would be shot down?

Col. Alan Scott
Unknown to me, sir.

John Lehman, Commissioner
Would you be able to provide that to the best of your ability...
(crosstalk)

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
We'll do everything we can to provide that for the record, sir.

John Lehman, Commissioner
as from the higher authority, as well, so we can get on the record
that chain of command during that period.  I have one last question
on 175, that never turned its transponder off and apparently you were
never notified that it was a possible hijacking.  Was that because it
continued not to communicate with ATC?  Or did it deviate from its
course?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I can't tell you why we were not notified.  You would have to ask the
FAA but that aircraft was a very, as I understand it, a fairly short
flight.  And we were not notified; I can't tell you why.

Thomas Kean, Chair
Commissioner Gorelick

Jamie Gorelick, Commissioner
Thank you Mr. Chairman.  I would actually like to follow-up on some
of your questions about the respective roles of NORAD, Northern
Command, and the Defense Department generally, vis-a-vis, law
enforcement.  As Commissioner Ben-Veniste averted to, when I was at
the Justice Dept. and we were planning for the Atlanta Olympics, we
rehearsed a number of scenarios with the Defense Department and the
various components thereof who were responsible for providing support
to the Olympics.  And when we got to the scenario of a domestic
hijacking of a plane headed into a stadium and I asked what they
thought the proper division of labor should be, I was told, and it
won't come as any surprise to you Gen. Arnold given your testimony,
that this is a law enforcement matter.  And that the armed services
will provide technical support to the FBI to shoot the aircraft
down.  And my response, of course, was that's preposterous.  And, in
fact, Gen. Arnold, I am glad to see and hear that when faced with a
judgment of whether you should do your job in defending the United
States or wait for someone from the FBI to call you, you decided to
get the authority later because that is the only rational response.
You probably could have gotten court martialed but one appreciates
that sort of leadership.  I say this because it is clear that before
September 11th, we know that the Defense Dept. discussed for decades
what the appropriate role of our military should be in defending the
domestic United States.  This is not a new question.  It was
discussed up and down and across and I see Gen. McKinley nodding.
Anyone who has been in the service for the period of time that you
gentlemen have been know that.  And clearly September 11th served if
anything else, if nothing else, to break the resistance that had
occurred to having a different view of what the appropriate role of
the military should be.

So with that, with that background, I would like to just be very
clear as to what has changed and what has not.  As I understand it,
the requirement of prior law enforcement requests has been
eliminated.  Is that correct?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
We are able under Operation Noble Eagle, which we are under
presently, to respond to an event as a military entity, to be in
position to support.  As you said eloquently, we don't have time to
wait anymore to launch our fighters.  So we have to take proactive
action to do that.

Jamie Gorelick, Commissioner
Thank you for that.  And second of all, you, your radars are now as
you put it are pointed inward as well.  Is that correct?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
We have incorporated the radars that were there all along so that our
military controllers can now see them, see those tracks of interest.

Jamie Gorelick, Commissioner
Now you remain reliant to a certain extent on the efficiency of the
FAA's radar system, as Sec. Lehman pointed out.  Are you completely
comfortable that they are more than adequate to your mission?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Ma'am, you are absolutely right, we are dependent upon the FAA.  We
are working closely with them and their programmers because there are
some financial disconnects.  The FAA looks at radar differently than
the military does.  They are optimizing their radar to control
traffic for commerce.  We, the military, need to see very specific
data which the FAA doesn't need – it costs money to do that.  Our
programmers, along with the FAA have identified some disconnects in
programmatics and senior leadership is aware of those disconnects.
We want to make sure the radars last so that this mission can be done
properly and effectively.

Jamie Gorelick, Commissioner
I would ask you to supply for the record, if you could, a statement
of what would be necessary in the professional opinion of you and
your colleagues to bring the FAA system, upon which you are now
reliant, up to the standards that you think are required to defend
the domestic United States.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Yes ma'am.

Jamie Gorelick, Commissioner
The other issue which you have raised in your testimony is that of
communication between the FAA and NORAD, or lack thereof.  And one of
the questions that came immediately to mind is why you would not be
co-located with FAA so that there is no such communication issue.
Are you now co-located with FAA and have a presence in its command
center that opens up when there is an emergency?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Ma'am, we've done a little of both.  We, after Gen. Arnold had this
tragedy occur on the 11th, the FAA provided us with liaisons at all
our air defense sectors and our continental NORAD region and at
NORAD.  So we have real-time people that we can turn to and say,
please use your communications channels so that we can get
information.  In addition, the National Capitol Region has stood up a
coordination center at Herndon, Virginia, in the FAA building, where
we have military personnel, members of Transportation Security,
Secret Service and other federal agencies where they can coordinate
the efforts in this area.  So, that has helped us tremendously and we
think we can continue to do that.

Jamie Gorelick, Commissioner
Thank you for that answer.  And finally, in my list, are you
comfortable that you now have the pre-placement of your resources, in
terms of aircraft, etc., where they need to be to adequately defend
our critical infrastructure in the United States?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Yes ma'am, I believe at the present time, we have an adequate force
structure to do that.  The requirements change daily, weekly, based
on the event.  For example, if a space shuttle were to take off, we'd
want to have aircraft at the Cape.  So whenever we have a security
event, the Olympics, the State of the Union, we move our fighters
around in a flexible manner to respond to that.  So we do have the
capability based on intelligence and real-world need to do that.

Jamie Gorelick, Commissioner
We may want to follow-up in closed session on that issue.  As the
charter for NORAD and the existence of Northern Command were being
changed and created, there clearly would have been debate within the
Pentagon over what the scope of that charter should be – and I speak
as someone who served there twice.  And I can imagine what some of
those discussions might have been.  What authorities were
contemplated to be given to Northern Command that haven't been and
what authorities if you were writing that Charter on you own, would
you give it?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Ma'am, I don't mean to dodge the question but I don't know if I have
the level of knowledge that you require for that answer.  I will tell
you, as a component commander who needs to employ resources in
defense of United States citizens, I will tell you that the bi-
national arrangement with Canada that NORAD has had for over forty
years has worked exceptionally well for the threat period that we
went through, the cold war and subsequently.  The stand-up of
Northern Command has given us the ability to now tailor our forces
and to work with local law enforcement so that we can respond to a
critical need far more quickly.   And we do it in a joint fashion
with Navy, Marine Corp, Army, our Guardsmen, our Reservists and our
United States Air Force.  So, the Northern Command framework, as I
see it, and we're still in initial operating capability. We'll become
fully operational, capable when Gen. Eberhart says they are.  We are
learning, we are training together and exercising together and from
my perspective, working exceedingly well.

Jamie Gorelick, Commissioner
And one final question of Gen. Arnold, we get some of our most candid
advice from people who have taken their uniform off.  And I use that
phrase as well for civilians who no longer play whatever role they
have happened to have played.  Having lived through the searing
moments of 9/11 and having had the awesome responsibilities that you
had on that day and having had limited resources as you had on that
day, legal and physical, to help prevent harm, what advice to you
have for us about changes that we should make as a country.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Well, I wrote a paper, no I didn't write a paper on that.  But I
think one would have to, that is probably where you are going to go.
We are very fortunate that we have a country with so many resources.
And let me point out, if I could, the, well you might, there could be
criticism of what we did in response.  It worked pretty well in terms
of the after-action reports.  Airplanes were getting airborne because
people knew they had to get airborne.  And I don't have the timelines
for all of these things but as the President told the military to
prepare to defend the country, we started gathering up all the
aircraft that traditionally had not supported NORAD.  And as soon as
we could get armament to them, we either put them on orbit, as you
recall we were on orbit for sometime throughout the country.  The
Navy responded magnificently, as well.  It was in the press.  I had
Adm. Dawson, Vice Admiral Dawson called me.  He was on the George
Washington at the time and he said we understand that Gen. Eberhart
is the supported CINC and that you have been appointed the JFACC, the
Joint Force Air Component Commander and we want to roll under your
air tasking order.  Had Vice Admiral Bucky of Third Fleet who was
steaming an aircraft carrier toward the West Coast to do the same
thing.  So the system, in terms of military cooperation worked
tremendously well.

  I would also hasten to say that during the course of time, as we
were on orbit and our resources were extremely limited in many cases
because we initially could not see even what the FAA could see, we
used our very straight AWACs aircraft, our warning aircraft that are
used all over the world, and Brig. Gen. Ben Robinson was stretched
very thin.  But he continued to do what he could.  The United States
Customs provided us with E3s, with radars that gave us coverage in
other parts of the area.  And as Gen. McKinley alluded to, we were
able to bring in units, Air National Guard and active duty computer
air control units – units that are designed to be deployed and
integrate them into our air picture – not only for air but also for
voice.  So we did a lot of things early on.  But the things that were
missing, in particular, immediately were: number one, we couldn't see
into the interior of the country, we couldn't talk to our aircraft
that were airborne to the interior of the country and we did not have
a command and control system that would absorb the number of radars.
And we were able to do that very rapidly.  That coupled with the
creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security and with the Northern
Command has provided defense in depth to, in my opinion, to protect
this country in a way that it has never been defended before.  It's
in depth at the present time.  So it's, we need to continue down
those avenues.  I'm sure there are ways to improve it.  I'm sure that
Gen. McKinley will find those ways.  Gen. Eberhart is engaged in
that, as well.  But I feel comfortable that we have done those things
that we ought to have done in order to provide security before a
certain hijacking would occur.  And, of course, God forbid, if that
were to occur again, we are now positioned to be able to see, to be
able to talk, to be able to provide command and control, and we have
exercised repeatedly our capability to pass an order, a military
order, down to the pilot in the airplane or the soldier next to his
air defense artillery.

Jamie Gorelick, Commissioner
Thank you very much.

Thomas Kean, Chairman
Our last questioner is Congressman Roemer.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
Thank you Mr. Chairman.  Mr. Chairman, I want to again commend you
and our Vice Chairman and the staff for all the work that you have
put into this hearing.  Especially this panel, this is very helpful
to us and plowing ground that the Joint Inquiry did not get into.
And I just want to make sure that you recognize how important that is
and we are very grateful for your time, gentlemen, and your help and
the good work that has gone into setting this hearing up.  Gen.
Arnold, you were there that day.  Correct?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Yes sir.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
And you had been there how long?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I'd been the commander since Dec. 19, 1997.  So I had been there for
some time.  I was approaching the end of my tour.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
Let me keep you on the hot seat, as Jamie Gorelick has put you there,
and ask you a question about military threats, threats to the United
States and the way we try to get intelligence, as the world changes
from a cold war to terrorist threats that can come at us from almost
anywhere, at anytime in nimble quick dynamic ways.  Were you aware at
all of the fatwa that Osama bin Laden had put out in February of 1998
that said he wanted to kill Americans, all Americans, everywhere he
could, whether that was in the Middle East or in the United States of
America?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
The answer to that is yes and we had briefings that, our own
briefings I think we could even provide date back to 1998 where we
called Osama bin Laden the most dangerous man in the world.  And our
focus, with the demise of the Soviet Union Warsaw Pact, in accordance
with the Hart-Rudman study, was that we felt like the greatest threat
to the United States would come from a terrorist, a rouge, or rouge
nation.  Or I should say a nation of concern.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
And then were you aware of George Tenet's statement in December of
1998 that the United States was at war with Osama bin Laden and al
Qaeda?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I don't recall that but I suppose I was generally aware of that -
that the United States was at war with terrorism around the world.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
One of the frustrations is that in looking at this issue very
carefully over the last year and a half, a lot of our people
responsible for these kinds of things did not know of George Tenet's
declaration or did not know of Osama bin Laden's declaration.  If
Vladimir Putin had made that declaration, as the leader of a nation
state, we would probably all be aware of it.  If Kim Jung Il of North
Korean or Saddam Hussein had made those statement in '98, we would
probably all be aware of it.  And that combined with the intelligence
that was coming in over the decades of the 1990s that pointed to
planes as weapons, we need to look back not to blame anybody but to
try to make sure that this kind of information can get into the right
hands in the future so that we can respond nimbly and quickly to this
very nimble and quick threat that is directed directly at the heart
of America.  And I would be very, very attentive to any suggestions
you would have now that you have stepped away from that most
important job that you took on for our country and for our people,
and performed very well, I'm sure.  What do we need to do to
breakdown these barriers of communication and increase the exchange
of information so that we can respond quickly to this threat that
will continue to come at us.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Mr. Commissioner, I think I've stated that earlier – what I thought
we had done.  In terms, of the intelligence community and awareness,
I think we are at a greater awareness today than we ever were before
and I would leave that up to, perhaps, to Gen. McKinley, not trying
to duck the question but I think I've answered that pretty much
before.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
Well if you think of more specific answers, please provide those for
the record.  Let me ask you a question about the time difference
between the scrambling and the battle stations and getting airborne.
The F-15s at Otis, which was about, what was the total timeframe
there with the F-15s at Otis?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I believe that from the time they were notified to the scramble, it
was six minutes.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
Six minutes

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Yes sir

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
Notified, scrambled and then airborne.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Notified, scrambled, and airborne, I believe that was six minutes as
Col. Scott has (garbled)

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
So, a total of ...

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
No, there were on battle stations because the Northeast Air Commander
had put them on battle stations.  But once we said scramble, then I
believe it was six minutes.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
And then comparatively, for the F-16s at Langley, what was the total
time it took to ....

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Again, if I can look at our data here, I believe it was, they were
reported airborne at 9:35 and I think we would show that we
actually...

Col. Alan Scott
We got fresh radar data at 9:30.  I believe they were ordered to
scramble at 9:24.  The 9:35 report is .....

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Correct

Col. Alan Scott
when they were reported to have been airborne.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
Six minutes

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
Six minutes, again

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
And these fighters, Sir, have up to 15 minutes to get airborne.  And
it is very intricate, as Secretary Lehman knows, to get an airplane
without anybody in it, started, cranked, inertialized, to the runway,
get it clearanced, get it in the air.  Then six minutes is
exceedingly quick.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
So at 9:35, those F-16s are airborne.

(crosstalk)
Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I think they were airborne at 9:30, actually.  And that they were
reported airborne at 35, I'll correct my error here, if I could,
please.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
Okay.  You were in the room when Secretary Mineta talked a little bit
about arriving at the White House at about 9:20 and then overhearing
a conversation at about 9:24 or 9:25 between the Vice President and a
young aide, where he inferred that there was already an order in
place for a shoot down.  And he assumed it was for American Airlines
77.  So sometime even before 9:20, there was an order in place that
he overheard in the Presidential Executive Operations Center, that
had some exchange between, I assume, the Vice President, the
President, and maybe the Special Ops situation room.  And they had
determined that they would have the authority communicated to
somebody to shoot down American Airlines Flight 77.  Were you at all
aware of anything sometime after 9:15 or 9:20 to shoot down American
Airlines Flight 77?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I was never aware of any order given to shoot down American Airlines
77.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
So nothing was ever conveyed to you by the White House or by the FAA
Administrator or by the Secretary of Transportation on Flight 77?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
That's correct.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
So the only time you ever received information on a shoot down was on
Flight #93 and that was ...

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
After the fact.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
That was, excuse me?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
After the fact.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
That was after the fact and that was after 10:00.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
That's correct

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
And that was from who?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
It was from Cheyenne Mountain, I assume from the commander of North
American Air Defense Command.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
So your assumption is is that the White House communicated that to
Cheyenne Mountain and then Cheyenne Mountain communicated ...

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
through the National Military Command Center.  Correct.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
And when you had that after the fact, as Commissioner Hamilton asked
you, that was at what time?

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold
I believe the time, we do not have a record of this, I remember the
time being somewhere around 10:05.  But we do not show that in
this ....

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
We'll try to find that accurately and depict it for the record, Sir,
because that's probably an important time you'd like to have.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
I think it's critically important.  Col. Scott, were you in on any of
that information about the Presidential authority to shoot down
Flight 93?

Col. Alan Scott
No Sir, at the time I was upstairs with the Crisis Action Team.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
And Gen. McKinley?

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
I was trying to get out of the Pentagon which was on fire, Sir.

Tim Roemer, Commissioner
So, Gen. Arnold, with respect to this decision, if you can get
anymore details on the timing and any information on Flight 77, that
would be very helpful to us.  Thank you again for your great service
to the country.

Thomas Kean, Chairman
Col. Scott, Maj. Gen. Arnold and Maj. Gen. McKinley, thank you very
much.  You have been very helpful today and we appreciate it and
thank you.

Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley
Thank you Mr. Chairman and members of the Commission.  Thank you very
much.

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Angeles: You will note that even the lowliest of our Beloved
Emperor's subjects can be honored if the unworthy varlet giveth his
life for the New World Order.

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Clint Lacy: Liberation VS Occupation: Our nation's second reason for
going to war with Iraq was granting freedom to the Iraqi people. But
are we really granting them freedom? News reports that I have read
tell a far different story.

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Mary Louise: Ground Zero: Nest of the Phoenix Bird

Out of the smoldering ashes of Ground Zero the legendary Phoenix has
risen from it's nest of destruction, as a symbol of the death of
America and the rebirth of a stronger, greater "New Amerika".

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Erik Fortman: Webs of Power - Part 3: Central Intelligence Agency:
The CIA has used and abused this power to destroy the lives of
innocent Americans, starting in 1947, the date of its inception.

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Joey Dauben: No Such Thing as a 'Quality Education'

Make no mistake about it, the quality and content of education has
diminished greatly compared to that of 20, 30 years ago, and as a
result, it has bankrupted our society's moral fabric.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_dauben.html

Clint Lacy: Mexicans and Pilgrims

The National Park Service has millions of acres of land yet they want
to send in Park Rangers and survey teams to harass this family and
force them off of their land. Why?

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Today on the Alex Jones Show

Don't forget to tune in to the Alex Jones Show on this Wednesday June
11th. Joining Alex will be best-selling author and New World Order
expert Colonel Craig Roberts.

Listen live on the Internet - http://sce.m2ktalk.com:8010/listen.pls
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James Hall: The CFR - NeoCon Connection

The transfer into a country of perpetual intervention and permanent
entanglements is best reflected in the corridors of power, known as
the Council on Foreign Relations.

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Thomas Chittum: Winning Hearts and Minds With Rifle Butts

It seems clear that the game plan of the Axis of Looting (Britain,
Israel and the USA) called for occupying Iraq until they could set up
some stooge dictator who would then recruit enough goon police to
control the Iraqi people while we siphoned their oil.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_chittum.html

Chuck Baldwin: Both Parties Are Weighed In Balance And Found Lying

When it comes to deceiving the public, it is obvious that neither
political party has a monopoly: both are equally duplicitous.

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Trilateral Commission Clear in Directing World Government by Joey
Dauben

World banker David Rockefeller is very clear: The states, the
peoples, the governments and the economies of all nations must serve
the needs of multinational banks and
corporations.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_dauben.html

Mankind's Tormentors: A Brief History of the International Bankers by
Randy Lavello

As mankind careens toward worldwide slavery, it has become important
to understand the depth and scope of the forces which we're resisting.

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Mueller Reorganizes FBI Into Tool of Oppression by Mary Louise

Robert Mueller was the first FBI Director to speak at an ACLU
conference. Whatever one may justifiably think of the American Civil
Liberties Union, they asked some questions that a whole lot of people
have been asking.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise.html

To Expand Patriot Act Abuses, Just "Reform" It by Harry Goslin

In a recent speech before a gathering of newspaper editors,
publishers, and TV executives, Attorney General John Ashcroft
attempted to legitimize Patriot Act provisions such as "roving
wiretaps."

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Government Promulgates the Wackiest Conspiracy Theories by Al Lorentz

The most bizarre conspiracy theories to date have coincidentally been
the latest ones advanced by the same looneybin rejects that have
hijacked our government.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lorentz.html

Non-Violent Alternatives to Combat the New World Order by Erik Fortman

"What can you do about it?" This is often the final judgment I hear,
after weeks or months of debate which, if I am fortunate and the
contester is open-minded, sometimes ends with a persuasion to reason.
Once one has realized that our government is, has always been, and
will be for the foreseeable future, an illusion, one must always ask
this question. "What can you do about it?"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_fortman.html

Riding the Fence by Clint Lacy

There are certain types of diversity that are bad. Mainly the kind
that tries to make up for past wrongs by punishing present and future
generations. Government to make up for the past has passed many laws.
Many large universities have followed the government's lead regarding
diversity.

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Smoking Pot and Shooting Chickens by Tom Chittum

The neo-con lunatics in the War Room thought the Shock and Awe
Campaign would so bedazzle andterrify the Iraqis that we would have
sufficient time (a year or so) in which to recruit a band of
Iraqi traitors and mercenary scum to beat their own people into
submission while we siphoned theiroil. It didn't work.

Full article - http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_chittum.html

It's Oil, Stupid by Kirt Poovey

Did Saddam Hussein have WMDs when we started the Iraqi War? Was he
actually telling the truth when he said that he had destroyed them
all? The answers to these questions are rendered moot by the
revelations that WMDs was simply a good excuse and the evidence that
Iraq possessed WMDs was apparently shaky at best.

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The Iraqi Ingrates Just Don't Know What to do with Freedom? by Randy
Lavello

The war in Iraq is over… right? It was a resounding victory… no?
Well, as the war has "ended" we should be able to witness the same
enthusiasm seen on CNN and Fox News when a statue was toppled.

Full article at http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lavello.html


U.S. Global Force by Kirt Poovey

The Los Angeles Times reported on June 27th that Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld is talking about "the possibility of the United
States organizing a standing international peacekeeping force that
could be dispatched to trouble spots around the globe."

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Corporate Subliminal Collusion: How the Bilderberg Pulls the Strings
by Rick Lacey

Having spent years in the oil industry where the mechanism has been
practiced since the breakup ofJohn D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil into
the seven sisters, I was only too familiar with the method
when the Bilderberg directive came down. No doubt you've noticed that
big oil companies tend to act almost identically. Pump prices to rise
and fall in harmony. Individual oil companies have followed identical
strategies with very small times lags over the years.

Full article at http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lacey.html


The Path Away From Political Perdition by Harry Goslin

Last week, W. James Antle III concluded an article posted on this
site with the following ominous warning to the political "right": "If
conservatives do not reclaim their legacy of limited
government, the right will continue to lose libertarian support - and
will not deserve it." What a blessing for this country if
libertarians follow through with Antle's prediction and help bring an
end to the era of Republican-controlled big government.

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Bilderberg Globalization Agenda: The Next Phase by Rick Lacey

The precedent has been set.  Corporate downsizing is now firmly
entrenched as part of our culture.  White-collar workers have been
reduced to "costs" that should be cut and can be cut without
resistance.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lacey.html

They're Coming To Take Me Away (Ha Ha!)

It is not simply that the antics of a man dressed up as Osama Bin
Laden succeeded in pushing discussion of British intelligence
dossiers on Iraq off the front pages, they have also lead to a subtle
change in our prevailing mood and notion of security.

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Harry Potter: The Bewitching of Society by Mary Louise

What's so bad about Harry Potter? Why does it matter? There are good
reasons to be concerned about a society obsessed with occultism
disguised as entertainment. This popular fictional character is the
favorite hero and role model for millions of wizard and witch
wannabees.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise.html

Is Impeachment In Order? by Chuck Baldwin

Former President Bill Clinton was rightly impeached by the U.S. House
of Representatives for lying under oath. Of course, his crimes were
not limited to that. However, if lying is reason enough to impeach,
there would not be many politicians left in Washington, D.C. And that
includes the current occupant of The White House.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_baldwin.html

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Order Out Of Chaos: Elite Sponsored Terrorism and the New World Order

Order Out Of Chaos blows wide open the official story behind a
multitude of both historical and modern day events. Paul Joseph
Watson uses mainstream media reports to exhaustively document how
governments are exploiting and even carrying out terrorist attacks to
further their unified political agenda. Every referenced article is
available online so you can cross-check the facts for yourself! In
this shocking expose you will discover how;

. Both the Clinton and Bush administrations protected Osama bin Laden
and the Al-Qaeda network before September 11;

. The highest levels of the US government were complicit in the
attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon;

. Many of the named 9/11 'suicide hijackers' are still alive and the
real culprits have never been officially identified;

. British MI5 have infiltrated the IRA and are carrying out terrorist
attacks to maintain a divided Ireland;

. Chaos mongers are arming tyrants worldwide as a pretext for endless
war and empire building;

. A despotic New World Order is being constructed, how it threatens
us all and what we can do to stop it.

Watson goes back in history to show how the same tactics used to
centralize power and coerce societies are still being used today. A
high-tech prison grid police state is being erected that will envelop
everyone on planet earth in a spider web of brutal tyranny.

No longer is the New World Order a shadowy enemy lurking on the
horizon, it is in our faces and the proof is everywhere. The dark
empire of world government is in the final stages of its
construction. This book is one of many keys you will need to unlock
the door and shine the burning light of freedom upon the twisted
souls of the Globalists.

To purchase, please visit http://www.store.yahoo.com/infowars-
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NWO Conditioning Discovered in NBC's 'Frasier' Sitcom

The nexus between societal engineering and popular television has
always existed but the brainwashing is no more evident than today. We
have a whole raft of recent movies and television shows that portray
anyone who thinks there is a New World Order agenda to be a raving
lunatic.

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Order Out Of Chaos: Elite Sponsored Terrorism and the New World Order

Order Out Of Chaos blows wide open the official story behind a
multitude of both historical and modern day events. Paul Joseph
Watson uses mainstream media reports to exhaustively document how
governments are exploiting and even carrying out terrorist attacks to
further their unified political agenda. Every referenced article is
available online so you can cross-check the facts for yourself! In
this shocking expose you will discover how;

. Both the Clinton and Bush administrations protected Osama bin Laden
and the Al-Qaeda network before September 11;

. The highest levels of the US government were complicit in the
attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon;

. Many of the named 9/11 'suicide hijackers' are still alive and the
real culprits have never been officially identified;

. British MI5 have infiltrated the IRA and are carrying out terrorist
attacks to maintain a divided Ireland;

. Chaos mongers are arming tyrants worldwide as a pretext for endless
war and empire building;

. A despotic New World Order is being constructed, how it threatens
us all and what we can do to stop it.

Watson goes back in history to show how the same tactics used to
centralize power and coerce societies are still being used today. A
high-tech prison grid police state is being erected that will envelop
everyone on planet earth in a spider web of brutal tyranny.

No longer is the New World Order a shadowy enemy lurking on the
horizon, it is in our faces and the proof is everywhere. The dark
empire of world government is in the final stages of its
construction. This book is one of many keys you will need to unlock
the door and shine the burning light of freedom upon the twisted
souls of the Globalists.

To purchase, please visit
http://www.store.yahoo.com/infowars-shop/pauljoswator.html

To read a sample chapter please visit
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Alex Jones Interviews Katherine Albrecht

Alex Jones: Joining us is the founder and head of Consumers Against
Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering, she is Katherine Albrecht
and we are so honored to have you on the show. Hello Katherine, good
to have you with us.

Katherine Albrecht: Hello Alex, it's a pleasure to be on with you.

AJ: We had you on just 2 weeks ago, and you're getting more and more
documents as you're doing more and more interviews, you've been on
all around the world. This is a big deal, I know you've got copies of
the documents. Tell us exactly, what you have discovered are
incredibly arrogant statements. Frankly from when you were on 3 weeks
ago, you heard similar statements and a lot of Biblical references
when you were up in Chicago for a big consortium meeting.

KA: Well you know the thing that has been happening behind the scenes
since 1999 when this Auto ID centre first got founded, and to put
this in perspective for your listeners by the way. The Auto ID
centre, the folks had a gaping security hole where were able to just
go in and sell these embarrassing and confidential documents. There
are actually, it could be argued that they are one of the most
powerful organisations in the world right now in terms of futuristic
technology

AJ: Well they're connected to all the people. Wal-Mart got the
barcodes to become universal in the 80's, they're doing it again by
forcing all of their manufacturers to adopt this, this will become
universal.

KA: You got it, Wal-Mart being one of the sponsors of the Auto ID
centre, it comprised now of more than 100 different organisations,
companies, product manufacturers and retailers all around the world.
They have gotten together, and for the last 3 years have been meeting
secretly behind closed doors in these meetings, having discussions.

AJ: If that's a definition of racketeering I will say it. They are
colluding to change industry and make us accept the new system with
additional costs as well. This is racketeering, setting up a new
industry and then it has the privacy implications.

KA: The problem here is that it would be one thing if here if they
were meeting behind closed doors to talk about, I don't know, new
forms of fork lift or something to develop for the warehouse, but
what they have developed is something that has the potential to
influence every single human being on the planet.

AJ: And they say that in their documents. Tell us about their new
documents and how you got them, and then we're going to get Paul
Watson's response to this.

KA: We have, it's kind of funny, we first stumbled across this huge
gap in their web site security back in the spring and in fact I had
quite an astonishing time a few months ago, sitting there saying wait
a minute, as I was looking up some standard documents and there was
something confidential at the bottom of a number of them, and wasn't
that strange, and as I began to open up documents on the web site I
was astonished at how confidential these documents were. And I'm
talking about links with emails of everyone who has participated in
their meetings with telephones numbers…

AJ: Corporate chieftain's home addresses.

KA: Yeah, that level of detail.

AJ: Department of defence goodies, in fact a Canadian researcher just
found a bunch of NSA stuff posted, it's like their Northwood's
documents, ever heard of Northwood's the US government terror plan
thing that got leaked, they admit it's accurate, it talks about
hijacking jet airliners to crash and blame on foreign enemies. The
stuff that gets leaked by government and quasi-government. Tell us
about the group, and exactly who's in it and what's in the documents.

KA: Well these documents contain everything from board meetings that
are confidential, secret PowerPoint presentations that they have
given to say everyone from the Department of Transportation. It has
references to meeting with Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge. It has
references to trials; actual store level trials where they are
putting bugging devices into actual products that people are taking
home with them. This has been vehemently denied in the media and yet
these internal documents openly state and specify that this is
happening

AJ: This is massive and you talked about the public meeting in
Chicago, they said if we can get Homeland Security to endorse this
for security, now they're saying they want all the cows and sheep to
have this, federal inspectors, a whole new level of beaurocracy, a
security clearance to have any job, I mean this is their control
grid. Remember I talked about Ridge on C-Span last year, last time
you were on, Katherine. I had him on tape on C-Span. I've got to dig
the tape out. I watched this live and he was meeting with corporate
heads and he talked about this control grid.

KA: I think this is one of the concerns, that the companies involved
in this will tell you that their only concern is better efficiency in
the supply chain, that they're only worried about warehouses and
transporting things more efficiently.

AJ: But now they're meeting with Ridge…

KA: Yeah, and one of things you.., let me just reread that quote that
I mentioned last time we were on together Alex, and this is a quote
by Larry Kellen he's a director for B2B Supply Chain Innovation for
Proctor & Gamble. He gave a whole presentation about how item level
tagging is going to be the future of RFID. Now item level tagging is
actually putting gone of these tiny remote transmitter chips on every
consumer product.

AJ : Woven in to the clothing…

KA: Woven into clothing or potentially pressed right into plastic

AJ: Gillette already has it…Michelin already has it in the tyres.

KA: Well Gillette is testing it, they putting into packaging but the
potential is quite large that they would put this right into, I mean
for something the packaging may as well be the product…

AJ: Now it's in the Michelin tyre.

KA: Yes we have seen schematic diagrams and that has been going
forward…

AJ: Let me stop you because we have Paul Watson here and we are so
honored to him in on, I've been jumping in a lot, just adding titbits
and want to get into what the documents actually say in the next
segment. Let's bring Paul Watson,  our researcher from England on.
Paul, any comments on what Katherine has been saying…

Paul Joseph Watson: Well you mentioned the first interview with
Katherine, and anyone and can go online and listen to that at
PrisonPlanet.com in the audio section - the June 20 interview. But
also we posted just yesterday a picture which one of our Prison
Planet columnists actually took personally from Wal-Mart and it
reads, and you can go online and see this now, "To our valued
customers, for your protection and to bring you low prices we use
CCTV and electronic merchandising tagging systems" and that's on
PrisonPlanet.com right now…

AJ: So there they are trying to push it. Katherine, what do you say
to that?

KA: Well you know it is true, and the problem here with Wal-Mart is
they are putting in these hidden reader devices in shelves and in
floor tags and we actually have a document that states this is
happening, they have vehemently denied it and I interviewed with
reporters…

AJ: Scanning you as you walk around inside the store and you said the
cameras watch you when you pick up the Gillette razors

KA: Well that is one of their stated plans, and let me give you a
list of products, I have a document right here that specifies at Wal-
Mart in phase 3 testing, they are testing Caress Soap, Right Guard
Aerosol deodorants, Pantene shampoo, Huggies Baby Wipes, Coca Cola 2L
bottles, and of course Gillette products. Now when you look at this
document that talks about Wal-Mart doing this it actually says that
for each of these products they are doing a shelf read, now shelf
read means actually reading the items on the shelf. This means that
tags must be in the items themselves.

AJ: I've got to stop you there, that's big, they're in the items
themselves and they said they weren't doing that.

KA: Now one of the others is a floor reader, there is a reference to
a floor read for Coca Cola, and the question we are now raising is… I
have in my possession right here right now a pair of shoes by a
company called Foot Star and right on the tag it says "Attention our
products have theft detection devices embedded which will be
deactivated at the register or the service desk. If you combine that
with floor readers you have the potential to read people through
their shoes.

AJ: After they leave. And in San Francisco they are using RFID to
begin taxation off the toll roads, putting the entire city into toll
roads. Stay there, riveting information, absolutely important, got to
boycott them now before they put them in everything and there is no
escaping it and they make it a law that every product has to have it
unifying the supply chain. Be right back…

[BREAK]

AJ: These documents you've gotten Katherine are just bombshell, and
of course you've got them and excerpts from them on your website and
we'll talk about that in a few minutes. What else is in the
documents, I mean not just how they are already in the shoes and
they're going to read you. There was an article in the Washington
Post last year that said they've got pressure plates and cameras that
read your eye movements, how long you watch something for
psychological algorythms to be built, psychological dossiers on us,
that was in the Washington Post. I don't know if you saw that article
where they admitted all this. But what about their statements about
pacifying us and about neutralizing opposition and manipulating the
public, can you tell us about that.

KA: Sure, I think one of the big problems with the Auto ID centre,
and hence the over 100 companies affiliated with it right now, is
that they have an enormous problem with consumers right now, 78% of
consumers they have studied in their own internal documents have
stated that they are extremely concerned or somewhat concerned about
privacy invasion associated with this technology, 61% are concerned
about electromagnetic energy affecting their physical health. So
they've got a big problem, and their big problem is called a public
relations nightmare. They have called in heavy hitter PR firm
Fleischman Hiller to devise a PR strategy for them, and one of the
things, they've actually done two things, they've called in
Fleischman Hiller to come up with a PR strategy, the second thing
they actually say is a whole bunch of consumers all around the world,
Japan, Germany, England, The United States, France, and what they've
found in every case the people surveyed there did not like the
technology, and in that particular document, Helen Deuce who is their
researcher over there in England, she actually comes right out and
says, well in fact at the November board meeting where all these guys
got together again behind closed doors to talk about this, she
presented the results of the study, and from what I have been told
her comment was that "I have some good news and some bad news, the
bad news is that people really don't like this technology, that's the
result of my study, the good news is that it appears they will be
apathetic and they will not know what to do about it unless someone
comes along and motivates them and wakes them up."

AJ: Exactly, people don't like the New World Order, but they also
feel like they're alone, even though we're the majority. It's gun
control, it's all the issues, the people want their liberties and
their freedoms but they feel disempowered, but we really have all the
power, that's my frustration. Paul Watson, we've really got to
promote Caspian, and we've got to get the word out, I've been talking
about RFID for 5 years, Texe Marrs for 8 years, people. Watson, got
any ideas on how to get the word out on this other than this show?

PJW: Well yeah, Katherine mentioned the fact that this same system
has been implemented in what we call the Echelon countries,
specifically my country, but people in this country say we haven't
got Wal-Mart over here so they are not introducing it, but Wal-Mart
in fact own the major supermarket store over here which is Asda, so
it's the same system being implemented across all those countries.
It's interesting talking about these documents that have just been
released that lay the groundwork and the quote I read, one of the
stories that came out today is that these companies talked about how
they will manage the release of negative stories about RFID, which
mirrors similar documents that came in another context about the
European Union two years ago. The introduction of the Euro. It's the
same agenda talking about how to manage public perception and direct
apathy.

AJ: So now they've got your direct apathy, think about how arrogant
they are to you and your family folks. Katherine…

KA: Let me tell you one of the ways this is actually, an element of
their strategic plan is to encourage apathy, one of things in the
Fleischman Hiller document, one of the many Fleischman Hiller
documents we have obtained they actually say "emphasise in all public
communications with the press the inevitability of this technology",
so emphasise it's coming it's inevitable, there's nothing anybody can
do to stop it.

AJ: That's the same thing with the Euro.

PJW: They use that tactic every time.

AJ: What did the Borg say, "Resistance is futile, resistance is
futile, resistance is futile". Lay down GI you won't be seeing your
sweetheart, lay down Tokyo Rose said. Stay right there Katherine,
amazing information, I want to hear more about these secret documents
you've gotten and how they're panicking, we'll be right back.

[BREAK]

AJ: Talking to Katherine Albrecht, we've got my webmaster of
PrisonPlanet.com, Paul Joseph Watson; we'll be hearing more on the
show about his upcoming book "Order out of Chaos". We've got Joan,
Bill and Bob and others that are holding, your calls are coming up in
a few minutes, I am hyperventilating over this issue, this is such a
key area in the fight for liberty, it's like open borders, gun
control, RFID, cashless society, biometrics, these are all the top
most important issues, strategic things to stop the globalists from
putting in, and Paul Watson I'm giving you a mission my friend, I
don't just want an audio file of this interview with Katherine up on
the website, I am asking our listeners, 3 or 4 of you to do this, I
want a transcript of this interview posted, because Greg Palast and
others, the BBC have posted them, the transcripts of this show get
published in major newspapers around the world, I don't know why, I
guess interviews are so insightful with these great guests, listeners
you know who you are, email it to Watson OK, because half the time we
get so many thousands a day, sometimes I won't see it the first day,
email it to tips@.... Watson, the transcript of this, where
shall they email it to get it posted so millions of listeners can
email it out to folks?

PJW. They can mail it to paul@... and I'll get that.

AJ: Alright we'll post it under the Prison Planet headline, this is
so important, Katherine I know I'm jumping in over you, I get out of
control on this subject it makes me so mad because I read them years
ago saying what they would do with this, taxation, control, tracking,
you've got the internal document. Before we go any further and we got
these calls, who got the incredible idea at Caspian to go to the site
to snoop around, not hack it, just look around and find their
classified documents of this governmental quasi-private group setting
up this racketeering takeover, how did you get in and get this, tell
about some of the other secret documents you got?

KA: Well let me tell you Alex, what I think one of the most
disturbing parts of this whole thing is that here are the people who
reassure us that we can trust them to put these tagging devices in
everything we come in contact with, that we can trust them because
they are going to use Internet security, and this is actually a quote
from one of their documents, their public relations documents out to
the public saying hey, what about security isn't that going to be an
issue when you put RFID tags in everything and you're tracking
everything through the internet through these massive databases,
their response has been "you don't have to worry about that, we've
got security under control, Internet security is very strong and very
powerful."

AJ: …as you go their website…

KA: .. all of the data will be protected, so I go to their web site,
you go right to the front page of Auto ID Centre.org, right there you
will see a little search window, you can type in words you want, and
it, well now they've cleaned it up, they've sanitized it since
yesterday, but for many months and potentially even years you could
type in whatever you wanted and you would get access to their
internal documents, these people do not have a clue about security,
they do not have the first idea about how to protect their own
sensitive information…

AJ: Katherine, now they're going to tie us all into this grid,
they're the people, this same grid, these same companies, Wal-Mart
and others that if pushed for the social security numbers as an
identifier everywhere now, they admit that has caused the
proliferation of identity theft, and now they're opening a bigger
Pandora's box and they'll offer more tracking and tracing, and… I
mean this is incredible…

KA: I have to say the amount… I mean the idea of leaving these bozo's
in charge of my personal data being collected on me every I went
through RFID tags is enough to send chills down me my spine. I'm not
just talking about massive corporations or government entities that
might want to use it against me, but I'm talking about, you don't
even have to be a hacker to access this kind of information, any
criminal could go online if they had everything online and you know,
downloaded anything that wanted about you, this is nuts, they don't
know what they are doing, we can't trust them with our security, they
are dangerous, they are dangerous because they don't see the future
they are creating, they are dangerous because they don't take
reasonable, even common sense precautions, even to protect their own
selves, which clearly they have an interest in that.

AJ : A criminal can also scan box cars, warehouses, homes and find
out what you've got inside, they admit a lot of these can transmit
over distances between 2 feet and 100 yards, this is what I've read
in the mainstream news and remember this all come on the heels of the
Total Information Awareness Network getting announced by the
convicted felon Admiral Poindexter with their all seeing eye logo of
the pyramid and the Pentagon said everything you buy, you sell, you
email, what you say, will be put in this grand database, that's a
quote and, now you've got Ridge and these documents meeting with
them, you go to their public meetings and they say we've got to get
Homeland Security to be behind this and pushing it, tell us about
those secret documents please…

KA: Well the quote I wanted to read to you about Larry Kellen
said, "if we get a declaration from Homeland Security that this is
the step that we need to take to protect the food supply, that's the
step that will move this technology forward"…

AJ: We're already hearing that out of Ridge.

KA: …and that was in reference to item level tagging which means
putting remote tracking devices on every item in the food chain.

AJ: You said you've got shoes that already have this in it.

KA: That is correct, I was sent these shoes by someone who purchased
them in Hawaii of all places, she got concerned because she saw this
tag on them and sent them to us. Now the company that manufactures
these shoes, we've not yet by the way X-rayed the shoes to find out
if we have a tag in there, if anyone has access to an x-ray machine
and would like to volunteer it to us you can find us online at
www.nocards.org

AJ: Well, you're up in Harvard country, I'm down in Texas, my dad is
a dentist and oral surgeon, I've got skull x-rays that will scan
those nicely.

KA: Well hey Alex, I'll send them you're way. You can post them on
your website, you can be the first to get the information out about
whether we've found tracking devices in shoes or not.

AJ: Be sure and insure that, I will call you when I get off air and
give you the address to send it to. I will within a day of getting
those will have them x-rayed, and then you want me to dig out with
tweezers the chip itself and maybe scan that as well?

KA: Well you know, it will be interesting to know what exactly they
have put in there, and again for your listeners who may have just
tuned in and missed that portion, I have in my possession a pair of
size 7 Soho shoes, these are women's sandals, in an extruded, a kind
of foam plastic, on them there is an attached tag that
says "www.footstart.com attention our products have theft detection
devices embedded that will be deactivated at the register or the
service desk". That could simply be an electronic, or some other type
of electronic article surveillance device, it could be an RFID chip,
at this point we do not know. What we do know though is that this
company in China has contracted with manufacturing plants in China
and that they are putting RFID tags or RFID like devices in to China
and importing them here. So we want to get to the bottom of that. But
that again is a big question mark, let me get to a few things that
are certain from this website and from the documents that we have.
One of them, the Auto ID Centre has said going through four phases of
testing out their RFID technology, the first and second phases are
now complete, they are now in the middle of phase 3, and phase 3 is
item level tagging among other things, meaning putting them into
individual items, seeing how consumers interact with them, seeing how
the stores and readers interact with them, seeing what happens when
they try to read many dozens of things at a time on a shelf in a
store. Here are the products, I hope that we do get a transcript of
this, because I would like this to be made public. Here are the
products that being tagged currently, it says summer of 2003:

Proctor & Gamble is tagging Bounty Towels and Pantene Shampoo, its
says Cape Shoe factory Iowa City DC, that means Distribution Centre.
So Bounty Towels and Pantene Shampoo coming out of there may well be
tagged. Gillette Mach 3 16 pack, Right Guard aerosol deodorant 10oz
cans, that's coming out of Chicago. Unilever a major consumer
products company produces these products that will be tagged Liquid
All Detergent, Caress Soap, that is coming out of Baltimore. Johnson
& Johnson is tagging Care Free, I'm not sure what Care Free is, also
Bedtime Bath out of Olive Branch. Kraft Foods is tagging Maxwell
House coffee and Kraft Cheese Slices out of Fort Worth and Coca Cola
is tagging 2L bottles of Coke, and then it has a comma and it says 8
pack tray, that is out of Cleveland Tennessee, it says bottler there.

Now when I look at another chart from their internal documents it
says, Caress Soap 6 pack, Pantene Shampoo 750ml bottle. On the right
it says Wal-Mart running vertically down between all of these
products, they are all being tested out at Wal-Mart right now. It
says unit and case aggregate, that would mean that potentially they
are talking about back room supplies in the warehouse, and next to it
is the concern, the shelf read, shelf read means putting the
individual products on the shelf and making sure you can read each
individual product. And here's something that has me the most
concerned, Coca Cola, it says shelf and floor read, now floor readers
I think are one if the biggest concerns we face with this technology
Alex, because it has already been demonstrated through research that
has been done associated with the Auto ID Centre that these reader
devices can be embedded into floor tiles and carpet, meaning that if,
and by the way the read range on these, the read range really doesn't
go down about 20-30 feet unless you put a battery in it or unless you
hack around a little. The read range is typically about, I would say
between 5-10 and 15 feet , in that area, but the more powerful
devices have a shorter read range in some cases. Now if you can put
RFID tags into shoes, and if you can get away with hiding them in
shoes and you have radio devices in floors, then there just went away
your read range problem of 20-30 feet to track people, you simply put
down a mat at the entrance of your store or wherever it is you want
to track people and you take a read right off of their shoes.

AJ: In the Washington Post article last year, and Paul will you dig
these up and post them in the story when we do a transcript. They
said that pressure plates will read what you are buying, tiny
cameras, and I know somebody at UT who works for the CIA in the
psychology department, Department of Defence funded. It's all about
retina readers, that read like Blade Runner type movements in the
eyes that get your psychological read off something you read on a
package, and it talks about scanning and tracking you and the store
said that they already have this in the stores in New York is what
they said, where you go in, you buy something, next time you come in
they face scan you, they know what you bought last time, or if you're
wearing the RFID it reactivates it and then they can custom tailor
things to you, did you hear about that?

KA: Well you know that's really the idea to find ways to custom
tailor things to individuals to identity them, I have…

AJ: …That's what they claim on the surface, yeah.

KA: I have in my possession a prototype loyalty card that actually
contains within it an RFID tag that can be read right for your purse,
backpack or wallet…

AJ: Well they had the ID in that a few years ago, where the guy, you
they think he's stealing food, he's putting it in his jacket, he
walks out and the security comes over and says "Sir, your receipt"

KA: Exactly, well in that case though the reader device in the
doorway has read the products that he's carrying and presumably also
read some identifier of him so that those products could be deducted
from his payment system, whatever that is.

AJ: That's an IBM Ad for this new chip, Credit Card. Paul Watson any
comments as to what she's saying.

PJW: Yeah, we actually had an article on prisonplanet.com last week
where one of these RFID tags was actually discovered in women's
underwear, so we've got all of these products on top of each other,
but the question now I want to put to Katherine is about Benetton,
because we know that Katherine led a successful campaign against
Benetton to boycott Benetton against putting RFID tags in clothes,
but we recently had an article out of the RFID Journal which is the
main propaganda organ of RFID where Mauro Benetton actually stated
that his company were ongoing with the tests of RFID and that
original back down against that successful campaign was just a
smokescreen.

AJ: Yeah Katherine, that question and then also the quotes here out
of the news where you have the documents quote "neutralizing
opposition, pacifying consumers", answer his question and then mine
please.

KA: Well let's see, the issue with Benetton is that Benetton I think
was astonished at the speed and power of the firestorm that consumed
them when they made the announcement that they were going to be
embedding RFID remote tracking devices in clothing labels. Now that
is absolutely over the line, I think everyone who heard the story
agreed, they were inundated with press requests from as far away as
Tasmania, I was on Swedish public radio, we've been featured in
Australia, all over the world people went nuts when they heard about
this. Now what I did not realise at the time apparently is that Mauro
Benetton, a member of the Benetton family is also deeply involved
with a company called Lab ID that is developing and promoting this
label tagging technology, and so apparently our boycott against
Benetton caused a big family rift in the Benetton family, this is
what I have been told from inside sources, that Mauro Benetton had
apparently put in about 15 million dollars to developing this RFID
tag technology and investing in it, and was going to apparently use
his families company, Benetton as one of the first examples of
bringing it to market, and when the rest of the Benetton family had
heard what had happened right in the middle of this firestorm, they
said, you know what, I don't care what you have invested we are
pulling back from this, this is dangerous, we are going to get
clobbered…

AJ: I don't care if they pull back, Benetton. We must target them
just like Smith & Wesson when they tried to do this sneaking anti-gun
move a few years ago. I don't care if they sell it, what they do, we
must salt the earth, anyone, Wal-Mart everyone, we must boycott them
110%, all of them.

KA: You know who I want to call for the biggest boycott of all
against, is Gillette! Gillette is one of the most despicable
companies I have ever come into contact with in working with this
technology. I personally was in a Brockton Wal-Mart, this is another
story I'll give you a little exclusive on here. I went into the
Brockton Wal-Mart after reading in the Boston Globe a few weeks ago
that they were going to begin their shelf level tagging tests the
following week, so I drove an hour or so down there to get to this
store, I went into this store, it was in a predominantly minority
community, that was the first thing that struck my notice, so that
for example if people felt that their privacy had been violated there
wouldn't be a whole lot of Manhattan lawyers potentially shopping
there to sue them…

AJ: Yes, disenfranchised groups are always tested on first.

KA: …and I had several lengthy conversations with a family who spoke
Spanish, I'm also fluent in Spanish, they were also fluent in
English, so we conversed in both languages about their concerns about
this technology. I was interacting in that store, I was there for
over two hours I spent a great deal of time in front of that shelf, I
even purchased a disposable camera at Wal-Mart and I took photographs
of that shelf which I now have in my possession. Now the astonishing
thing to me is that given that there has been 110 media reports or
Google hits on Brockton Wal-Mart and RFID, when the Brockton
Enterprise newspaper ran a front page story on these smart shelves
being in the Brockton store they back pedalled, they removed the
shelf over night and they claimed they had no intention of doing any
such tests and they did not know what she was talking about.

AJ: That's absolutely amazing, Paul Watson comments, then we're going
to calls…

PJW: Yeah, we've got a big picture on PrisonPlanet.com of the 6" sign
at Wal-Mart saying RFID is for your safety. Another thing I want to
mention is that Katherine was talking about the Google hits on the
term RFID, I wouldn't be surprise if they actually changed the
terminology for that because we've seen that before with Total
Information Awareness being changed to Talon and then Lifelog…

AJ: We see even…

KA: Paul, that's an excellent point can I jump in here?

AJ: Sure.

KA: One of things we uncovered in this strategy document by
Fleischman Hiller was that they actually toyed around with the idea
of calling these Green Tags, safer, better, smarter something like
that. Actually promoting them as this wonderful thing that is somehow
going to make the world better. And you know, I saw that and I
thought that is really, that is such a stretch, and you know I really
hope they do something like that because it means they would take a
public splash, they would take this public and believe me the public
will be on them like white on rice.

AJ: That's really stupid because Green Tag is something even easier
to get across to people, RFID is kind of a hard concept. I want to go
to Joan, Bob & Bill, I going to give you each about a minute on the
other side with our guest Katherine Albrecht, and give you out her
web site as well, I want to thank you for joining us Paul Watson.

PJW: OK, thanks Alex.

[BREAK]

AJ: Katherine, what about the website for Caspian, how can folks
visit the website and get more informed?

KA: You can find us online as www.nocards.org , we are "no cards"
because we originally started fighting supermarket cards, which are
just a drop in the bucket compared to the data you can collect with
RFID. You can find us online there, you can also do a Google search
under Caspian, we usually come up as the first or second hit on that
search, you can find us there easily if you remember we are called
Caspian. My email address is kma@....

AJ: OK, let's take a call, quickly callers. Thanks for holding, Joan
in Florida you're on the air.

Joan: Hi Alex, out of the regular newspaper Tampa Tribune, "our
opinion", it was June 15, so they can go www.tbo.com and research
this article. "Our opinion, new science of radio tag threatens
privacy", and it also talks in here in on this about this tag card
could be tracked based on where and when you drive your car…

AJ: Wow, give me that article and please email it to Katherine. So
Tampa Tribune saying it will be used to tax cars, already happening
with a little bit more sophisticated transponder in the San Francisco
Bay Area. Interesting Katherine.

KA: Yeah. Absolutely, and you know the limits that what this will be
used for are just the limits of the human imagination, if they can
find a reason for collecting the data, this technology will enable
them to do it. Alex, you talk about a number of other concerns about
illegal immigration, about police brutality and other issues, and no
matter what your concern is, envision that the people doing the
oppressing have access to this technology and you will see why this
affects all of us no matter what your freedom issue or your personal
issue, no matter what it is, RFID will take that issue and bring it
to a whole new level of bad.

AJ: Amazing.

KA: I've got a document here in front of me I quickly want to tell
you about Alex before we get off the air here. This is the Department
of Defence applications of Auto ID, and this is a Mr Kimble from the
Auto ID who was speaking at a meeting
AJ: They're going to make the Iraqi's wear it!

KA: I'd like to read you something here, Mr Kimble describes four
projects which Department of Defence is pursuing related to Auto ID.
Most of these are pretty innocuous, the Department of Defence needs
to the know the location of materials at all stages of it's
lifecycle, the final one, this is the one that the editors Mr Kimble
knew on some future applications including a telepathy tag, such a
tag does not exists, nor can we guess at how it might work, but the
point is that Department of Defence is careful not to go down a
course of action that precludes adoption of new technology when that
technology becomes feasible. A telepathy tag, what is that?

AJ: It's insane, really quick Bob in New York, thanks for holding.

Bob: My training is in electronics, and there is a device called the
Degausser, a stick or a degaussing device that's used in the picture
tube industry or TV set industry, if you just search Degaussing coil
on the internet I'm sure you'll be able to find it, you just can't
use that device around any electronics or it will blast it, it will
blast out those RFID tags.

AJ: Thanks for your call.

KA: Anybody listening please go to our website at www.nocards.org, we
need you, we are organizing local chapters, join us, hit the feedback
form and please sign up.

AJ: Katherine, that's great, I'm going to call you after the show.

KA: Absolutely.

[END] *Many thanks to Martin Gammon for transcribing the interview.

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Listen to the audio file of this interview at
http://www.prisonplanet.com/albrecht_07_08_03.html

RFID Strategy Docs Leaked

A US consumer group opposing the rollout of RFID tags has grabbed a
bunch of documents from an RFID industry site and mirrored them, in
what it says is an attempt to expose the industry's intended
publicity campaigns.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/070803rfid.html

RFID Privacy Dustup

There were also research documents and presentations
marked "confidential" that addressed public perception of RFID and
strategies to allay fears, inform consumers and set public policy.

http://www.line56.com/articles/default.asp?ArticleID=4797

Goodbye bar codes: Packages with transmitters on the way

Razor blades and medicines packaged with pinpoint-sized computer
chips and tiny antennae that eventually could send retailers and
manufacturers a wealth of information about the products - and those
who buy them - will start appearing in grocery stores and pharmacies
this year.

http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/national/ap_transmitters07092003.htm

Mirrors of the Auto-ID RFID docs

http://cryptome.org/rfid-docs.htm

Darpa: Engineering The Beast System by Alex Jones

DARPA, the shadowy government agency attempted the public launch of
what can only be described as a running-man style betting parlor
where private individuals and companies profit by correctly
predicting where terrorism will occur. DARPA is the same agency that
announced the Total Information Awareness Network (TIA) in 2002, a
big brother network using the Pentagon integrated with local police
to spy on the activities of all Americans.

Both DARPA programs use the new world order pyramid symbol in their
logos. The pyramid logo for the Total Information Awareness Network
is even complete with the image of the all-seeing eye of Lucifer
radiating the earth.

The Department of Defense announced that their futures market casino
would be named the Policy Analysis Market (PAM). PAM removed the
content of its website after a massive public backlash. The market
allowed individuals to log into the government system with a secret
code similar to a Swiss bank account number and place bets on what US
city would be nuked by North Korea in the next year, what Middle
Eastern leader would be assassinated or how many US troops would die
in Iraq.

Senator Byron Dorgan D-ND called the plan useless, offensive,
and "unbelievably stupid." He went on to say, "can you imagine if
another country set up a betting parlor so that people could go in…
and bet on the assassination of an American political figure, or the
overthrow of this institution or that institution?"

Within 48 hours of the plan being announced, the scheme was canceled,
the website was taken off-line and Admiral Poindexter, the five-time
convicted felon, was forced to resign. For many there was a
collective sigh of relief. The truth is that Admiral Poindexter is
nothing more than a minion of a wicked system and his ouster only
serves as a public relations ploy to make the population think, "Oh,
it was Poindexter who had all of those Big Brother ideas, not the
government. We can all go back to sleep now…"

THE MATRIX

Shortly after Congress funded the Total Information Awareness
Network, they still needed to claim that they had voted it down. Two
weeks after announcing that the program had been de-funded (which
wasn't true), the Associated Press ran the headline, "US May Adopt
Florida Anti-Terror Database." It just so happens that Florida's anti-
terror/crime system was designed by DARPA and, in truth, is nothing
more than an already operating subdirectorate of the Pentagon. It
turns out that dozens of other States already have the same system in
place. And the best part is the name of the program, which the Feds
designed, which they are now claiming that they just stumbled upon
and are now adopting. It's called the matrix.

In truth, the matrix was set up decades ago as the local data
collection point for the NSA's Echelon system. They have been taking
all of your personal data for years and uploading it to Fort Meade.
Divorce records, credit card purchases, phone bills, gun records,
where you work, you name it public and private they greedily grab it.
You see, they built this control grid a long time ago. They're just
announcing it to you now.

In 1998 the Austin-American Statesman reported that DARPA had paid to
have the State and City put in hundreds on face-scanning cameras and
microphones in Austin, Texas. Infowars.com has posted hundreds of
articles over the last six years where DARPA and the Defense
Department are involved in mandating that the States adopt uniform
biometrics on state licenses and ID cards, RFID tracker chips to
replace the bar-code, and cameras that recognize individuals by their
faces, walk, vehicle type or license plate number.

Long before the September 11th attacks, DARPA was building the
architecture of a cashless society control grid. After September 11th
when citizens complained about the Total Information Awareness
network plans to spy on them, the continuity government agency
claimed that it de-funded the program. The truth is, DARPA simply
changed the name to Terrorism Information Awareness and got increased
funding from Congress through dozens of other sub-agency projects.

PENTAGON CASINO

Let's take a closer look at what DARPA's Policy Analysis Market or
gambling system really does:

1. It trains the American people that betting on death is okay, even
patriotic. This is exactly what the Romans did over 1900 years ago as
they bet on which gladiator would survive or how long a Christian
would live when thrown into a pit of lions.

All of this is very similar to the movie, The Running Man, where the
bloodthirsty masses are kept in line with a twisted and sadistic game
show wherein enemies of the state fight for their lives.

2. Most importantly it legitimizes insider trading and sets the
precedent that the government not only regulates but owns futures
markets. Insider trading is where someone inside a system who has
proprietary information uses that information to profit at others'
loss. So what is it when the Pentagon runs a futures market that bets
on the outcome of the hundred year war that has been announced by
President Bush? By its very definition it is insider trading.

3. The establishment elites love to hide their crimes in plain view
and that is exactly what this futures market is. You see, the
globalists got caught doing the same thing on September 11th. Between
September 5 and September 10th record put options, a highly risky
form of speculation where you bet against a stock, were purchased
against United and Delta airlines stock. The levels of put options
were the highest ever recorded. In the first few days after September
11th the media said that they would be able to figure out who carried
out the attacks by tracing who placed these puts in the futures
market. When the bets led back to the former Deputy Director of the
CIA, Buzzy Kronguard, the FBI, and Fortune 500 companies, the story
was immediately shut down.

With an official Pentagon futures market where you can only bet on
attacks, this legitimizes what has always been extremely illegal. Of
course it also allows terrorists (i.e. the government) to know where
the next terrorist attack will be, to place bets on it and to profit
in the billions of dollars from tragedies and crimes they commit.

DARPA: INFRASTRUCTURE OF SLAVERY

Surveys show that on US college campuses over 70% of all science
funding comes directly from DARPA. DARPA is the successor to ARPA, a
federal bureaucracy created in 1958 to push forward scientific
research with potential military applications. I find it interesting
that in 1960 outgoing President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned of the
dangerous undue influence that the military-industrial complex was
having in America's infrastructure, and especially on college
campuses.

There are thousands of facets to this nightmare agency, but there are
several more that we will look at today. One was reported on in the
August 5, 2003 Boston Globe. The paper ran the headline, "Defense
Department funding brain-machine work." The project is developing
technology that "promises to directly read thoughts from a living
brain - and even instill thoughts as well." It does not take much
imagination to see in this the makings of a "matrix-like cyberpunk
dystopia: chips that impose false memories, machines that scan for
wayward thoughts, cognitively augmented government security forces
that impose a ruthless order on a recalcitrant population."

The technology has already been installed in five airports in the US.
CBS news reported on the high-powered MRI systems that scan
travelers' brains as they walk through the airport checkpoint at
Boston Logan. The technicians are trained to determine what
aggressive thought patterns look like and to single out passengers
for questioning. They are then put under another brain scanner that
supposedly detects lies and are asked questions. This gives new
meaning to the term "thought crime."

DARPA was also instrumental in developing machines that pierce your
clothes and give crystal-clear images of your naked body. For eight
years we have seen mainstream media reports cover this technology and
the FCC's approval for police helicopters to have DARPA-funded ground
penetrating radar mounted on them to surveil US cities.

While newer systems of ground penetrating radar remain classified,
the older systems have been demonstrated on national television so we
can all appreciate our new slave status. Viewers are treated to a
black and white x-ray style view of people walking around in their
homes. What ever happened to the Fourth Amendment barring search and
seizure and the invasion of privacy without a warrant?

DARPA is also getting Congressional approval for a fleet of drones
fitted with similar scanning systems to feed streaming data 24 hours
a day back to the FEMA continuity of government bunkers.

And finally, on DARPA's own website, they promote the "Centibots."
These tiny 5-pound robots have their own artificial intelligence and
hunt fugitives or provide surveillance and security for government
agencies in wolf packs of twenty. They are identical in many aspects
to the police spiders in Minority Report.

Despite DARPA's incredible size and influence over our every day
lives and its stated desire to micromanage and control every human on
earth, the average American has no idea that it even exists. Spread
the word: DARPA is the enemy of free people everywhere and must be
exposed if were are to defeat this tyranny that is the new world
order.

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http://www.infowars.com

http://www.prisonplanet.com

The New World Order elite has big plans for Arnold

By Alex Jones

September 4 2003

Most Americans think of Arnold Schwarzenegger as a charismatic
bodybuilder who became a famous Hollywood actor and then married into
the Kennedy clan. Just beneath the surface of Arnold's façade lies an
intricate web of evil including Nazi war criminals, occult rituals, a
Rothschild rendezvous, a friendship with once head of the UN and
known Nazi, Kurt Waldheim, Warren Buffett (the oracle of Omaha) and
many others.

Before we cover the details of Arnold and his sordid backers it is
important to understand that on one level the California recall
election is a giant diversion, providing a smoke screen that obscures
hundreds of pertinent developments in our world every day. The media
circus feeding frenzy that has ensued is similar in scope to the O.J.
Simpson and Monica Lewinsky red herrings of the past.

At the same time, the California recall of 2003, when examined from a
larger perspective, reveals many of the dark workings inside the New
World Order. It is important to note that even if Gray Davis stays in
office or if Cruz Bustamante is elected the end result will remain
the same. Whether they are Republican or Democrat, all of the
candidates being given serious media attention, are anti gun, pro
abortion, and promoters of big centralized government.

The giant Recall sideshow serves the elite by creating the illusion
that California's problems have been caused by bad fiscal policy
alone. In reality, California is an admitted beta testing model for
elite social engineers.

California's border with Mexico is being dissolved. The Ford
Foundation and Federal agencies have been pumping billions of dollars
into California and Mexico for decades promoting racist liberation
theology, through groups like Mecha and La Raza. These groups claim
that the entire southwest belongs to Mexico and that third world
populations are simply retaking what was usurped from their
ancestors.

Groups like Mecha are designed to balkanize the population using the
tried and trusted system of "Divide and Conquer." The official plan
of UNESCO, a colossal UN agency, is to destroy all western nation
states and the tiny independent middle class that is protected by
them. The people of California are panicking as they watch factories
being shut down and their jobs being shipped overseas. Their mouths
are hanging open as millions of illegal aliens are given amnesty.

It is important for the puppet masters to create the illusion that
they still have a choice. By blaming a scapegoat like Governor Gray
Davis, the people will never actually force the system to enact real
reforms.

Total Hypocrisy

The head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, Rabbi Marvin Hier has
defended Schwarzenegger saying that Arnold had no connection to
Nazis. Of course the fact that Arnold has tithed a percentage of
every film he has starred in (reportedly over 5 million dollars) in
the last eighteen years to the Simon Wiesenthal Center does a lot to
explain why the Simon Wiesenthal Center gave him their highest award
(The National Leadership Award) in 1997.

The facts speak for themselves. Arnold's father, Gustav
Schwarzenegger volunteered to join the Austrian Nazi party when it
was still illegal to do so in 1938. His father went on to be the
Police Chief in the town of Thal bei Graz where Arnold grew up.

The media has skillfully focused on his father and away from all the
real Nazi connections and said "Arnold can't help what his daddy
did." But what they don't tell you about is that Arnold is a self
proclaimed follower of Kurt Waldheim. Kurt Waldheim was a favorite of
the United Nations and served as Secretary General from 1972 to1982.
When Waldheim ran for the Presidency of Austria in 1986, Arnold was
Waldheim's biggest supporter and campaigned across Austria and was
even featured on campaign posters.

During the campaign it emerged that he had been a wanted war criminal
for atrocities he had commanded as an officer in the dreaded Nazi SS.
Waldheim had written and approved posters and leaflets that read
among many things, "enough of the Jewish war, kill the Jews, come
over."

Later the whole world learned that the United Nations had known all
along that Kurt Waldheim was a Nazi and a wanted war criminal and
helped cover it up. It makes sense, anyone with a command and control
background fits in well with the UN.

The Waldheim story that broke in 1986 was a sensation and dominated
news cycles for months. In the midst of the fire storm Arnold
Schwarzenegger stood up at his wedding with Marie Shriver in front of
a crowd of east coast blue bloods and said, "My friends don't want me
to mention Kurt's name because of all the recent Nazi stuff and the
UN controversy, but I love him and Marie does too, and so thank you,
Kurt."

Arnold continues to be friends with Waldheim and in 1998 was
photographed with him at the Austrian Parliament. After Arnold's
father died, his mother married the Head of the Austrian Parliament,
who himself was a Colonel in the SS. Arnold reportedly calls him
Uncle. While filming the documentary "Pumping Iron," Arnold told
reporters he admired Adolf Hitler and other dictators.

While the Simon Wiesenthal Center is defending Arnold, they are busy
waging a smear campaign against Mel Gibson for producing a biblically
accurate reenactment of the last day of Christ's life, in his new
movie, The Passion. The ADL and the Simon Wiesenthal Center have
demanded Gibson re-edit the film, threatening to boycott its release
and are claiming that the film has already generated hatred, despite
the fact that only a few thousand people have seen it in private
screenings.

It is interesting to note that the ADL was also instrumental in
forcing the removal of the Ten Commandments from the Alabama Supreme
Court building. Over and over we see real Nazsis, communists, and
totalitarian thugs of every type being promoted and defended by the
establishment while wholesome organizations are being demonized.

This is one of the New World Orders favorite tactics. So be aware
that next time you hear of someone being labeled a promoter of hate
that the majority of the time such labels are issued by the
establishment in an attempt to suppress any movement seeking freedom.

I personally talked to Mel Gibson's father, Hutton and he told me
that The Passion is the best film he has ever seen. He says it is
word for word from the Bible.

Satanic Rituals-Elite Backers

A month before Schwarzenegger announced that he was throwing his hat
into the ring, it was being reported by most of the national media
that Arnold was not going to run. Infowars.com came across an article
in the July 23, 2003 San Francisco Chronicle, that contradicted the
prevailing view of the political guru's.

The article reported, "From what we hear the Republican hierarchy
would favor Schwarzenegger." At least that's the word that came out
of the Bohemian Grove this past weekend, where a number of state and
national GOPers, including presidential adviser Karl Rove, happened
to be gathered at a club getaway."

Of course the Bohemian Club favors Arnold: he married into an
Illuminati bloodline in 1986, and soon after became a member of the
Grove.

After reading the story, I predicted on my radio show that Arnold
would run, because of my knowledge of the ultra-elite Bohemian Grove
in Sonoma County, in northern California. I knew that what these king-
makers want, they get. (The Bohemian Grove is an elite encampment
founded in 1872. Presidents have been attending the yearly fifteen
day meeting since 1901).

In 2000 (two weeks before the official announcement was made) CNN
reported that Dick Cheney was to be George W. Bush's running mate..
CNN said that they had garnered the information from network
executives present at the Bohemian Grove's encampment where they
learned of the choice of Cheney from George Hubert Walker Bush and
Collin Powell.

This is not the first big political decision to be made by a select
few at this all-male elite gathering. According to annuals published
by Bohemian Club, the Star Wars program was hatched there in 1978 and
the Manhattan Project were conceived at the Grove. Economist Alan
Greenspan made his first visit to the Bohemian Grove, in 1984 before
it was announced that he was being appointed Chairman of the Federal
Reserve.

On July 15, 2000 I infiltrated the Bohemian Grove with a hidden video
camera, and filmed a grizzly 3,000 year old satanic ritual being
performed by leaders of the western world. The footage I shot aired
globally on stations like Channel 4 in England and the Trio Network
in the United States. Of course none of the big networks whose
corporate officers attend the Grove would touch it here in the United
States.

Dark Secrets Inside the Bohemian Grove, an in-depth exposé of these
desperately degenerate men, is available from Infowars.com. The
Washington Times, Spy magazine, and many other prestigious
publications have reported on the homosexual orgies and bizarre
rituals that take place at the Grove. Respected papers have
documented the migration of high dollar male and female prostitutes
from Europe and America yearly to the nearby town of Monte Rio, that
serves as a watering hole for the members of the all-male Bohemian
Club (a club made up of our so-called Christian conservative
leaders). Conveniently none of these despicable details of the Grove
have been discussed in the controlled media.

Schwarzenegger's connections do not stop at the Grove. An article
published by Reuters, titled, "Buffett's back with the Terminator,"
described Arnold and Warren Buffett descending by helicopter to a
meeting at the ancestral home of the Rothschild Dynasty.

The article stated that, "Among those invited to Waddesdon manor were
the likes of James Wolfensohn, President of the World Bank, Jorma
Ollila, chief executive of Nokia and De Beers chairman Nicky
Oppenheimer" (head of the world diamond monopoly). The story
continued to describe how the Illuminati "chieftain" greeted
Arnold, " A group of photographers captured the moment when Buffett
and Schwarzenegger, resplendent in steel-tipped cowboy boots, stepped
ontoWaddesdon's freshly cut lawn to be greeted by Lord Jacob
Rothschild. "It's very nice of you to host this," Schwarzenegger
said."

Wow, it really makes your head spin. This guy hangs out with former
UN chiefs and the Rothschilds. His mother is married to the head of
the Austrian Parliament and he is married to JFK's niece.
Nevertheless, all his Nazi connections are swept under the rug and
the Republican party could care less about Arnold's own published
admissions of orgies, drug use, and posing naked for homosexual porno
magazines.
Arnold and Buffett

(Well, after all, he is a member of the Bohemian Grove where group
sex is par for the course.)

In a 1977 interview for OUI magazine, published by Playboy, Arnold
described to a national magazine how he and many other men all piled
on one woman, at Gold Gym's in Venice. When asked whether he used
drugs, Schwarzenegger replied "yes, grass and hash." Schwarzenegger
then went on to describe how posing for gay magazines was a great
thing.

Can you imagine what would happen to an anti-establishment candidate
if they had 10% of the baggage that Arnie does? They would be dragged
through the mud and their political career would disintegrate. But if
you are a water bearer for globalist's fat cats, you can do no wrong.
Kurt Waldheim was a Nazi soaked in blood and the UN loved and
defended him. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood,
received and gave awards to Adolf Hitler and was responsible for
barbaric eugenic programs nationwide. But it's okay, because they
work for the New World Order.

You won't see any liberals complaining about these people, but if you
say America should have borders, that citizens should retain our
Second Amendment Rights, or if you criticize the murdering UN, they
will howl that you are a secret Nazi. No my friends, they are the
control freak Nazi's. Neo-Cons, bleeding heart liberals: they are all
either part of the criminal structure or are useful idiots, too
narrow minded to break out of their controlled paradigm and face the
true horror of the global plantation.

Schwarzenegger's role as a front man for the evilarchy is growing
larger every day.
Articles in the Associated Press, LA Weekly, and the LA Times
reported that during the electricity crisis of 2001, the head of
Enron, Ken Lay, met secretly with California Republicans at the
Beverly Hills Hotel and pushed a plan that called for taxpayers to
pay the billions in debts racked up by the states public utilities.
Schwarzenegger was part of the closed door meeting where convicted
Junk-Bond felon Michael Milken, and other seedy members of the
establishment schemed in an attempt to keep the fraudulent
deregulation going.

President Benedict Arnold?

An Associated Press article carried in The Salt Lake City Tribune ran
the headline, "Hatch for foreign-born hopefuls." The article
continued,"Senator Orrin Hatch wants to terminate the Constitutional
prohibition against foreign-born citizens such as Arnold
Schwarzenegger and others from becoming president."

The Second Article of the Constitution states, "No person except a
natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time
of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office
of the president."

Alabama Professor of History, Forrest McDonald said that, when the
Constitution was written, foreign agents from Russia, Prussia, and
Austria worked to get a monarch to control Poland. Once consent had
been manufactured, the country was carved into three pieces. Of
course, the support for scrapping Article II is bi-partisan. Arkansas
Democrat, (Rep) Vick Snyder is peddling the same type of bill.

Look at Schwarzenegger's gubernatorial team, it is a who's who of
king-makers like former Secretary of State, George Shultz, who is
also a member of the Bohemian Grove. Shultz told the San Francisco
Chronicle, that he was the one that gave the green light when he
ascertained George W. Bush was ready to run for President.

The most amazing thing of all is that so called "conservatives" on
talk radio, in print and on television are hailing Arnold as the
savior of California. Benedict Arnold has already told us his stance:
total amnesty for all illegal aliens, new waves of gun control, and
abortion on demand.

By watching California all Americans can get a good idea of what the
controllers have in store for the rest of the country. Our elections
have turned into giant theatrical diversions, with no real difference
between the candidates that the media chooses to focus on.

Whether you are Republican or Democrat you need to reject Cruz
Bustamante, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Gray Davis. They are all
nothing more than marionettes and it is time to look past their
carnival show, to follow the strings back to the fat spider in the
corner and reveal the cynical military-pharmacologica-mass-media-
industrial complex supporting them. If we do not cause a revelation
in the political and sociological thinking of the average person, we
are going to plunge headlong into a dark age of dehumanization and
total enslavement.

Schwartzenegger 2008: Pumping Up America For The New World Order

http://infowars.com/print/nwo/shwartz_section.htm

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HOW YOU CAN HELP ALEX: E mail Houston radio and TV stations and the
print media to tell them to cover the showing.

Help us to expose the terrorists in memory of the victims of
September 11th on this anniversary.

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For Immediate Release: Sept 4, 2003

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Shocking September 11th Film Revealing Government Involvement and
Prior Knowledge of the Terrorist Attacks to Screen on September 11th
the Alamo Drafthouse in Houston

National Radio Host/Documentary Filmmaker Best of Austin 6 Time
Winner Alex Jones to Introduce His Film Live

Brace yourself, Houston – Its coming.  The shocking truth about what
really happened and who stands to gain – Alex Jones' 911:  The Road
to Tyranny – will screen at 7:00 PM on Thursday, September 11th at
the Alamo Drafthouse in Houston (located at West Oaks Mall).  Five
time Best of Austin winner Alex Jones will give a 30 minute live
introduction to him critically acclaimed film which is shaking the
foundations of Washington as the most comprehensive film covering the
horrible truth about the September 11th attacks.

Jones says, "The government needed a crisis to convince the public to
exchange their liberty for security.  Now the painful facts are in,
the dark forces of global government are funding, protecting and
training terrorist networks worldwide."

911:  The Road to Tyranny covers:

*HOW DOZENS OF FBI AND DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENTS WERE THREATENED
WITH ARREST BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IF THEY GOT IN THE WAY OF AL-
QAEDA OPERATIONS

*HOW THE CIA TRAINED, FUNDED AND PROTECTED BIN LADEN

*THAT IMPEACHMENT LAWYER DAVID SCHIPPERS WARNED CONGRESS AND THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OF THE IMPENDING TERRORISTS ATTACKS . (THE FILM
INCLUDES AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH SCHIPPERS ON THE ALEX JONES SHOW
JUST 2 WEEKS AFTER THE ATTACKS. SCHIPPERS HAS SINCE BEEN THREATENED
WITH ARREST IF HE CONTINUES TO SPEAK OUT, AND IS BEGGING THE MEDIA
AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO GET THIS STORY OUT)

*HOW THE BLOODTHIRSTY GLOBALISTS ARE USING THE TERRORIST ATTACKS TO
SCARE THE POPULATION INTO ACCEPTING HIGH-TECH SLAVERY AND A NEW WORLD
ORDER POLICE STATE

* HOW THE RECENTLY DECLASSIFIED TOP-SECRET NORTHWOODS DOCUMENT
WRITTEN BY THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF LAID OUT PLANS TO BOMB
WASHINGTON AND TO HIJACK AIRPLANES AS A PRETEXT FOR WAR

*BILL CLINTON'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING AND HOW IT
WAS CARRIED OUT BY INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES TO BE BLAMED ON THE RIGHT-
WING

*HOW THE FBI ORDERED THEIR INFORMANTS TO COOK THE BOMB AND TRAIN THE
DRIVERS IN THE FIRST WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACK IN 1993

*WHY THE USA PATRIOT ACT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND UN-AMERICAN

*WHY THE GOVERNMENT LEAVES OUR BORDERS WIDE-OPEN BUT TELLS US TO GIVE
UP OUR LIBERTIES FOR SECURITY AND THAT MORE TERRORIST ATTACKS ARE
IMMINENT

*FBI TRAINING MANUALS THAT ARE BEING GIVEN TO POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT
STATE THAT CHRISTIANS, GUN OWNERS, AND "THOSE WHO MAKE FREQUENT
REFERENCES TO THE US CONSTITUTION" ARE TERRORISTS

*THE UNFOLDING CASHLESS SOCIETY BIOMETRIC CONTROL-GRID

AND MUCH, MUCH MORE...

THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS WHITEWASHING AND LYING ABOUT WHAT REALLY
HAPPENED ON SEPT. 11 911 THE ROAD TO TYRANNY IS SHAKING THE
FOUNDATIONS OF WASHINGTON DC AS THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE AND REVEALING
DOCUMENTARY FILM COVERING WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT. 11 AND WHO
STANDS TO GAIN.

Alex Jones is a syndicated talk show host who broadcasts six hours
live every weekday to over 80 AM and FM affiliates across the United
States, including 1260 AM KWNX in Austin, Texas.  Jones is recognized
as a local and national activist and recently received the Austin
Chronicle's Reader Poll Award (2002) for Best Mover and Shaker.

LINKS:

ALEX JONES BIO AND INFORMATION:
http://www.infowars.com/alexjones.html

911: THE ROAD TO TYRANNY INFORMATION:
http://www.infowars.com/tyranny.htm

Download Clips from 911: The Road to Tyranny

The Globalist Elite Maniacs: http://www.prisonplanet.com/NWO5.ram

Prince Phillip's Resource Rape - The Kyoto Agreement:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/NWO2.ram

The Bilderberg Group in Reuters: http://www.prisonplanet.com/NWO1.ram

The United Nations Takes Control of American Property Rights:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/NWO3.ram

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Order Out Of Chaos: Elite Sponsored Terrorism and the New World Order

Order Out Of Chaos blows wide open the official story behind a
multitude of both historical and modern day events. Paul Joseph
Watson uses mainstream media reports to exhaustively document how
governments are exploiting and even carrying out terrorist attacks to
further their unified political agenda. Every referenced article is
available online so you can cross-check the facts for yourself! In
this shocking expose you will discover how;

. Both the Clinton and Bush administrations protected Osama bin Laden
and the Al-Qaeda network before September 11;

. The highest levels of the US government were complicit in the
attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon;

. Many of the named 9/11 'suicide hijackers' are still alive and the
real culprits have never been officially identified;

. British MI5 have infiltrated the IRA and are carrying out terrorist
attacks to maintain a divided Ireland;

. Chaos mongers are arming tyrants worldwide as a pretext for endless
war and empire building;

. A despotic New World Order is being constructed, how it threatens
us all and what we can do to stop it.

Watson goes back in history to show how the same tactics used to
centralize power and coerce societies are still being used today. A
high-tech prison grid police state is being erected that will envelop
everyone on planet earth in a spider web of brutal tyranny.

No longer is the New World Order a shadowy enemy lurking on the
horizon, it is in our faces and the proof is everywhere. The dark
empire of world government is in the final stages of its
construction. This book is one of many keys you will need to unlock
the door and shine the burning light of freedom upon the twisted
souls of the Globalists.

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I am very grateful to Alex for publishing my debut book and I have
already received a deluge of positive feedback.

In buying the book you'll not only get a great read but you'll be
supporting both myself and Alex to expand our offense against the New
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There was some confusion today regarding the China 'baby-eating'
situation. One caller asked for documentation and another denied the
story was true.

In the interests of clarity the news articles are linked below.

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BBC: 'Baby-eating' artist sparks TV row

A row has broken out over a Channel 4 documentary which features a
Chinese artist apparently eating a stillborn baby.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2614643.stm

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London Guardian: C4 to show artist eating dead baby

Channel 4 was yesterday back in the dock over plans to broadcast a
programme showing a performance artist eating the flesh of a dead
baby.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,7369,866515,00.html

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Reuters: Man Arrested For Protest Over Baby Eating Show

A British man was arrested yesterday for daubing white paint on the
walls of a television network in protest against a show in which a
Chinese artist apparently ate a dead baby.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=427

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