Everyone:


It seems that a troll is having some fun with everyone at Infoguys.
After receiving four "Happy New Year" messages from the troll, I
decided to take a look at the e-mail header.  Here is the pertinent
part below:


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Jan 2005 03:02:23 -0000
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NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 03:02:23 -0000
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Date: 5 Jan 2005 03:02:19 -0000
Subject: [infoguys-list] Reminder - Happy New Year!
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Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Please notice this line:

X-eGroups-Application: calendar

Then I looked at the Infoguys "Calendar."  Sure enough, it is set up
so that anyone (not just the moderator) can send out Calendar
announcements to the entire group.   So, let's look here to see what
our friendly little troll has done:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/infoguys-list/calevent?
s=0&t=1104945978&e=3&a=1

Let's look and see what's here:


Event Name:  Happy New Year!
Date:  Saturday, January 1, 2005
Time:  All Day
  Repeat:  every fourth day.
  Reminders:  2 hours before the event and 1 hour before the event.
Description:  Happy New Year, and check out tRoLLhAck's cool blog ...
love that guy!

http://trollhack.blogspot.com/2005/01/happy-fookin-new-year-you-
mutts.html#comments


Well, it seems the troll has decided to send us TWO reminders EVERY
FOURTH DAY of this New Year message.   Therefore, I implore Leif to
consider taking over the calendar and removing this reminder unless
we all would like to get another two copies of it four days from now!


Best regards,


Joanne
Spies Online
http://www.spiesonline.net

Here's some insight (from another list) into the bonafides of the
poster, whose legitimacy has been questioned a number of times on this
list:


    From: "JOHNSON OKEBUKOLA Esq" <aptcons@...>
Subject: Fw: ATTENDANCE/GREETINGS FROM AFRICA - OBSERVATION!!

Dear Colleagues,

Without prejudice,

Nigerian laws with special exceptions forbids the practice of 'Private
investigation'. It is pertinent to know the registration details of
subject.

A limited liability company in Nigeria cannot as at  present be registered
for the sole purpose of 'PRIVATE INVESTIGATION' in Nigeria as depicted by
the member of this group in the greeting subject.

For your information only, A Private Guard Company in Nigeria (which
is the
the only permitted body to arrange private security matters allowed by
law)
is precluded from operating as a 'private investigator by the said law. To
operate as such,
will negate the Private Guards Companies Act Chapter 367 laws of the
Federation of Nigeria 1990, at Section 22. This states inter alia that 'No
person ..shall use the expression " private detective" in connection with
such business or employment or hold himself out in any manner as a private
detective.'

Section 28 of the Act also states that 'Any person which by any false,
misleading or deceptive statement,  representation or promise or by any
willful concealment of a material fact, induces or attempts to induce any
person to enter into an arrangement or contract in connection with its
business as such shall be guilty of an offence.'

By this fact, it will be wrong for a person or body corporate to own to be
operating an
investigative enterprise in Nigeria without being properly registered or
licensed for
that PARTICULAR PURPOSE.



JOHNSON OKEBUKOLA Esq.
NIGERIA.
aptchamber@...
www.aptconsultancy.com
MABI, MWAD,MIPI,MWIN, MGIN, MIACP.MWAPI.



--- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, SUNNY LIDIPE
<sunivision2000@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
>
> Complement of the season and with the best wishes, we mark the
register for another exiting and successful year in the world of
Private Investigators.
>
>
>
> Please contact us if you need any assistance in Nigeria, Ghana,
Togo, Benin Republic, Niger, Congo, Congo Libreville, Cameroon, Ivory
Coast, Liberia and other African Countries.
>
>
>
> Once again, I wish you a very successful and prosperous New Year in
which I pray that you will live with good health, joy and grace.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Samuel S. Lidipe
>
> President: Sunivision International Investigations Ltd
>
> Lagos-Nigeria
>
> Tel: 234-8034091998, 234-8045077612
>
> Email: president@s...
>
> Website: www.sunivision.com
>
>
>
>
> SAMUEL S. LIDIPE  B.Sc, IOA, ACI
> PRESIDENT: SUNIVISION INT'L INVESTIGATIONS LTD
> TELEPHONE# 234-8034091998, FAX# 234-1-4930419
> CONTACT ADDRESS: #6, SHOBOYEJO STRRET, IJU, IFAKO-IJAIYE,
>                                         LAGOS, NIGERIA
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
>  Meet the all-new My Yahoo! – Try it today!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello everyone,

Though it is rather embarrassing, I have to add my two cents to the issue
regarding Net Detective.  As Jim says, the advertising for these products
is, as he so aptly puts it, "wildly misleading."  The use of those words
helped me to feel a little better about buying the useless junk--thanks for
that, Jim.  It is all a complete rip-off, indeed.  I purchased it nearly a
year ago (wow, does time fly) and have regretted it ever since.  Not one
time did it assist me in finding anyone.  I couldn't even locate myself and
know that I exist and where my residence is!  HA!

In sharing my "easy target" tendencies, it is my hope that anyone else
considering this purchase will ignore future advertisements for these
useless programs and save their money.

By the way, glad that everyone seems to be in a much better mood now that a
new year is upon us!

Have a great day!
Michelle Rhodes



"Protect Your Legal Rights"
www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/michellerhodes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Parker" <Jim@...>
To: <infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:36 PM
Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Internet detective software??


>
>
> <<<  Definitely a rip off.  Internet Detective, Net Detective, etc. are
> nothing but a collection of links you could get with Google.   >>>
>
> In addition to what Vicki said, you should also note that the advertising
> for these products is often wildly misleading.
>
> Claims that it will teach you how to get "FBI Files" and "Credit Reports"
> would lead people of average intelligence to believe that you can use this
> software to get these types of reports on "Anyone".  The truth is (as
> you'll
> learn while reading the smaller print) is that it will only show you how
> to
> get YOUR FBI File and YOUR Credit Report, both of which can be obtained
> very
> easily by simply writing to the FBI and the Credit Bureaus.
>
> As Vicki said - Definitely a rip off!
>
> Jim
>
> =================
>
> JIM PARKER - Chief Investigator
> Email Tracing & Internet Fraud Specialist.
> Axis Investigative Services, Inc. (FL)
> Web: http://www.FloridaDetectives.com
> Email: Jim@...
> Florida License #: A-2000163
>
> Director / Team Member of MissingKIN
> "Dedicated to finding missing and abducted children"
> Web: http://www.MissingKIN.com
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vicki Siedow [mailto:Siedow@...]
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:00 PM
> To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Internet detective software??
>
>
>
> Definitely a rip off.  Internet Detective, Net Detective, etc. are nothing
> but a collection of links you could get with Google.  Also, many of those
> "locate anyone for $49.95" outfits just give you a surname search, leaving
> you with a long list of people with the same or similar name, all of which
> you must then contact to try to find your person.  I have a lot of people
> come to me after wasting money on them.  Let us know what you're trying to
> do, without sending any personal identifiers to the list, and we can
> advise
> you.  We need to know what information you have, what you need to know,
> and
> what your reason is.
>
>
> Vicki Siedow
> Siedow & Associates Investigations
> & Custom Legal Support Services
> 2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
> La Crescenta (Los Angeles area), CA 91214 818-242-0130
> 800-448-6431
> 818-688-3295 fax
> Siedow@...
> http://Siedow.LawAndOrder.com
> CA Lic. PI #22852
> Need economical legal help?
> http://AreYouProtectedYet.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rebecca [mailto:weebecci@...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:02 PM
> To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [infoguys-list] Internet detective software??
>
>
>
>
> Is any of this software really worth buying?
> Can anyone tell e if it has actually helped any of you or is it all a
> hoax..
> Thx
> Becca
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Hi Vicki,

Yes it is a great product.  I have been a PPL associate since this time last
year and have been thrilled with the service.  With a seventeen-year-old
daughter who possesses something of a lead foot, the membership has more
than paid for itself, let me tell you!  Actually, I joined this list not
long after joining PPL and had mentioned the company once or twice to
members of the list with legal concerns.  At that time, I was a little
worried that some may think I was using the list as a way of promoting my
own business so didn't mention it any further.  It's great to know that
there are so many of us out there letting people know that this exists.

Funny story:  My son was watching COPS the other day--OK, I was staring at
the boob-tube as well, I admit it!  Anyway, an individual who was being
arrested for drug possession and concealed weapon pulled out his PPL card
and gave it to the cops before they handcuffed him!  It was pretty
hilarious.  The cops, of course, laughed in his face!  I was so surprised
that it was mentioned like that--and also surprised by the audacity of the
guy who thought that his PPL card would scare the cops into letting him go!
HA!

Hope you got as big a laugh out of this as I did!

Take care!
Michelle

"Protect Your Legal Rights"
www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/michellerhodes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vicki Siedow" <Siedow@...>
To: <infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] thanks for the entertainment!


>
> Another PPL Associate!  Great to meet you, I wonder how many are on the
> list.  I'm doing great with it myself, and welcome any who wish to
> network.
> It's a great product, and we have plenty of people who need the service.
>
>
> Vicki Siedow
> Siedow & Associates Investigations
> & Custom Legal Support Services
> 2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
> La Crescenta (Los Angeles area), CA 91214
> 818-242-0130
> 800-448-6431
> 818-688-3295 fax
> Siedow@...
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> CA Lic. PI #22852
> Need economical legal help?
> http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/vsiedow
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: michelle-rhodes@... [mailto:michelle-rhodes@...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 2:00 AM
> To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [infoguys-list] thanks for the entertainment!
>
>
>
>
>
> Happy Holidays to All!!
>
> And thanks so much for all the entertaining banter.
>
> I usually just "watch" the conversations--if what's been going on here can
> really be referred to as such--and often gain very helpful information
> from
> doing so.  Lately, however, I have been reminded of what it was like to
> teach a room full of High School boys, a job a thoroughly enjoyed and miss
> dearly. So thank you all very much and I truly mean that most sincerely.
>
> Please do not pick at my sentence structure, punctuation, spelling,
> grammar,
> lack of signature, or any other obsessions you may have--I just could not
> help letting you all know how much I have enjoyed the unrelenting
> bickering.
>
> Oh, the memories!
>
> Again, Happy Holidays to all of you!
>
> Michelle Rhodes
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> www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/michellerhodes
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I use Net Detective Basic, which has recently undergone a face-
change and database update, although it's still a little behind some
of the Info Brokers.  Assuming that your subject hasn't moved in the
past few months, it's usually good enough.

If you're new to investigations in general, it's a treasure-trove of
public information sources, and also lists some unlisted phone
numbers and cellphones (although it doesn't say unlisted or cell in
the listing.)  The listings come from credit reports and other
documents, although I don't know exactly what those sources are.

The trick to using this type of service is to remember that some of
it will be inaccurate, or an outright lie (almost always by the
listee.)  Case in point: I looked up the number for Time &
Temperature in my hometown, just for kicks.  It listed the correct
company who owned it, like it should.  It also listed seven people
who could be contacted at that number, which is ridiculous.
Creditors are just gonna have to learn to check source numbers...

I only know about Net Detective, and it's helped me locate several
people in the past year.  I even took a test-case for a friend, just
to see how useful it was.  Let's just say her boyfriend was married,
which is what she wanted to know, and leave it at that.  "When Wife
Meets Girlfriend" might make a good (and funny) book...  Doubt I'll
write it, though.

Some of the Investigation software is a hoax, or at least basically
useless.  What you can do is check with the Better Business Bureau
and see how they rate before you buy anything.  Watch for the number
of complaints, but keep in mind that if the company has resolved
them, then it's probably an okay company.  Best advice I can give,
even for TV ads that look legit.

Danny

--- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, "Rebecca" <weebecci@y...>
wrote:
>
>
> Is any of this software really worth buying?
> Can anyone tell e if it has actually helped any of you or is it
all
> a hoax..
> Thx
> Becca

Happy New Year to you folks, as well as everyone in these forums.

Danny

--- In infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com, "gapeye" <Coastal-
Investigations@d...> wrote:
>
>
> My company and I would like to wish everyone Happy New Year 2005,
we
> had a GREAT YEAR and hope to continue to work with each of you in
the
> future years to come.

For the most part, I concur.  However, Net Detective has given me a
few unlisted phone numbers I couldn't find anywhere else, although
there are several other ways to get them (usually involving the
movement of little green pieces of paper.)

Then again, I have found many unlisted numbers through Google,
Yahoo, etc., and have a pretty good link list of Shadow Search
Engines available that's sometimes better.

I only paid for Net Detective Basic, which is lifetime access for
$30, if memory serves (or at least it was when I paid for it.)  It's
paid for itself several times over in that regard, but is severely
limited for checking "right-now" information.  If you do use this
type of service, you still may have to do some serious legwork to
get your info current.  It varies a lot from situation to situation.

As for Information Brokers, check to make sure what you're buying is
what you want before you do anything.  Look over any sample reports
they offer, and make sure it contains the type of info you seek.
Where it gets sticky is if the info you want isn't on your purchased
report -- check the wording of the guarantee.  If it doesn't, or if
they don't have sample reports, look elsewhere, or hire a P.I.

Danny

> Becca,
> Simply put, no! Oh it is not a hoax, I guess you can say it does
> provide a sort of  online directory of sources, but if you can use
> Google you'll find most of that information for free.

>
>
>  For the most part, I concur.  However, Net Detective has given me a
>  few unlisted phone numbers I couldn't find anywhere else, although
>  there are several other ways to get them (usually involving the
>  movement of little green pieces of paper.)
>
>  Then again, I have found many unlisted numbers through Google,
>  Yahoo, etc., and have a pretty good link list of Shadow Search
>  Engines available that's sometimes better.
>
>  I only paid for Net Detective Basic, which is lifetime access for
>  $30, if memory serves (or at least it was when I paid for it.)  It's
>  paid for itself several times over in that regard, but is severely
>  limited for checking "right-now" information.  If you do use
> this
>  type of service, you still may have to do some serious legwork to
>  get your info current.  It varies a lot from situation to situation.
>
>  As for Information Brokers, check to make sure what you're buying is
>  what you want before you do anything.  Look over any sample reports
>  they offer, and make sure it contains the type of info you seek.
>  Where it gets sticky is if the info you want isn't on your purchased
>  report -- check the wording of the guarantee.  If it doesn't, or if
>  they don't have sample reports, look elsewhere, or hire a P.I.
>
>  Danny
>
>  > Becca,
>  > Simply put, no! Oh it is not a hoax, I guess you can say it does
>  > provide a sort of  online directory of sources, but if you can use
>  > Google you'll find most of that information for free.
>
>
>
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>
>
>  Everyone:
>
>
>  It seems that a troll is having some fun with everyone at Infoguys.
>  After receiving four "Happy New Year" messages from the troll,
> I
>  decided to take a look at the e-mail header.  Here is the pertinent
>  part below:
>
>
>  Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05
>  Jan 2005 03:02:23 -0000
>  Received: from [66.218.67.197] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with
>  NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 03:02:23 -0000
>  X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email
>  Received: (qmail 36048 invoked by uid 7800); 5 Jan 2005 03:02:19 -0000
>  Message-ID:
>  X-eGroups-Application: calendar
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>  MIME-Version: 1.0
>  Mailing-List: list infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com; contact infoguys-
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>  Date: 5 Jan 2005 03:02:19 -0000
>  Subject: [infoguys-list] Reminder - Happy New Year!
>  Reply-To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
>  Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
>  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>  Please notice this line:
>
>  X-eGroups-Application: calendar
>
>  Then I looked at the Infoguys "Calendar."  Sure enough, it is
> set up
>  so that anyone (not just the moderator) can send out Calendar
>  announcements to the entire group.   So, let's look here to see what
>  our friendly little troll has done:
>
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/infoguys-list/calevent?
>  s=0&t=1104945978&e=3&a=1
>
>  Let's look and see what's here:
>
>
>  Event Name:  Happy New Year!
>  Date:  Saturday, January 1, 2005
>  Time:  All Day
>   Repeat:  every fourth day.
>   Reminders:  2 hours before the event and 1 hour before the event.
>  Description:  Happy New Year, and check out tRoLLhAck's cool blog ...
>  love that guy!
>
>  http://trollhack.blogspot.com/2005/01/happy-fookin-new-year-you-
>  mutts.html#comments
>
>
>  Well, it seems the troll has decided to send us TWO reminders EVERY
>  FOURTH DAY of this New Year message.   Therefore, I implore Leif to
>  consider taking over the calendar and removing this reminder unless
>  we all would like to get another two copies of it four days from now!
>
>
>  Best regards,
>
>
>  Joanne
>  Spies Online
>  http://www.spiesonline.net
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Hi there....I need an answer if anyone can help me.....my brothers
girlfriend signed for papers from a police officer on behalf of my
brother ( he was not home at the time), they were broke up at the
time and she was at his house and signed for the papers and she told
him they were for him to appear in court but she never said where,
why, when...nothing.  Now he is afraid that he has a court date for
something( we are assuming it is about his child support), and he
has no idea what county, what time, date or anything.  What I need
to know is, if he actually does have a court date and does not show
up at the appointed place or time, will he have a warrant out for
his arrest because he failed to appear???

LOL, well I'd have done the same thing.  What could it hurt?


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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:36 PM
To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
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Hi Vicki,

Yes it is a great product.  I have been a PPL associate since this time last
year and have been thrilled with the service.  With a seventeen-year-old
daughter who possesses something of a lead foot, the membership has more
than paid for itself, let me tell you!  Actually, I joined this list not
long after joining PPL and had mentioned the company once or twice to
members of the list with legal concerns.  At that time, I was a little
worried that some may think I was using the list as a way of promoting my
own business so didn't mention it any further.  It's great to know that
there are so many of us out there letting people know that this exists.

Funny story:  My son was watching COPS the other day--OK, I was staring at
the boob-tube as well, I admit it!  Anyway, an individual who was being
arrested for drug possession and concealed weapon pulled out his PPL card
and gave it to the cops before they handcuffed him!  It was pretty
hilarious.  The cops, of course, laughed in his face!  I was so surprised
that it was mentioned like that--and also surprised by the audacity of the
guy who thought that his PPL card would scare the cops into letting him go!
HA!

Hope you got as big a laugh out of this as I did!

Take care!
Michelle

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From: "Vicki Siedow" <Siedow@...>
To: <infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] thanks for the entertainment!


>
> Another PPL Associate!  Great to meet you, I wonder how many are on the
> list.  I'm doing great with it myself, and welcome any who wish to
> network.
> It's a great product, and we have plenty of people who need the service.
>
>
> Vicki Siedow
> Siedow & Associates Investigations
> & Custom Legal Support Services
> 2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
> La Crescenta (Los Angeles area), CA 91214
> 818-242-0130
> 800-448-6431
> 818-688-3295 fax
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 2:00 AM
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>
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> Happy Holidays to All!!
>
> And thanks so much for all the entertaining banter.
>
> I usually just "watch" the conversations--if what's been going on here can
> really be referred to as such--and often gain very helpful information
> from
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> teach a room full of High School boys, a job a thoroughly enjoyed and miss
> dearly. So thank you all very much and I truly mean that most sincerely.
>
> Please do not pick at my sentence structure, punctuation, spelling,
> grammar,
> lack of signature, or any other obsessions you may have--I just could not
> help letting you all know how much I have enjoyed the unrelenting
> bickering.
>
> Oh, the memories!
>
> Again, Happy Holidays to all of you!
>
> Michelle Rhodes
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Well, I'm keeping Mr.  JOHNSON OKEBUKOLA Esq.'s info on file, instead of the
other guy. :)


Vicki Siedow
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-----Original Message-----
From: mrgfillmore [mailto:mrgfillmore@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:09 PM
To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: ATTENDANCE/REETINGS FROM AFRICA




Here's some insight (from another list) into the bonafides of the poster,
whose legitimacy has been questioned a number of times on this
list:


    From: "JOHNSON OKEBUKOLA Esq" <aptcons@...>
Subject: Fw: ATTENDANCE/GREETINGS FROM AFRICA - OBSERVATION!!

Dear Colleagues,

Without prejudice,

Nigerian laws with special exceptions forbids the practice of 'Private
investigation'. It is pertinent to know the registration details of subject.

A limited liability company in Nigeria cannot as at  present be registered
for the sole purpose of 'PRIVATE INVESTIGATION' in Nigeria as depicted by
the member of this group in the greeting subject.

For your information only, A Private Guard Company in Nigeria (which is the
the only permitted body to arrange private security matters allowed by
law)
is precluded from operating as a 'private investigator by the said law. To
operate as such, will negate the Private Guards Companies Act Chapter 367
laws of the Federation of Nigeria 1990, at Section 22. This states inter
alia that 'No person ..shall use the expression " private detective" in
connection with such business or employment or hold himself out in any
manner as a private detective.'

Section 28 of the Act also states that 'Any person which by any false,
misleading or deceptive statement,  representation or promise or by any
willful concealment of a material fact, induces or attempts to induce any
person to enter into an arrangement or contract in connection with its
business as such shall be guilty of an offence.'

By this fact, it will be wrong for a person or body corporate to own to be
operating an investigative enterprise in Nigeria without being properly
registered or licensed for that PARTICULAR PURPOSE.



JOHNSON OKEBUKOLA Esq.
NIGERIA.
aptchamber@...
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MABI, MWAD,MIPI,MWIN, MGIN, MIACP.MWAPI.



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wrote:
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> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
>
> Complement of the season and with the best wishes, we mark the
register for another exiting and successful year in the world of Private
Investigators.
>
>
>
> Please contact us if you need any assistance in Nigeria, Ghana,
Togo, Benin Republic, Niger, Congo, Congo Libreville, Cameroon, Ivory Coast,
Liberia and other African Countries.
>
>
>
> Once again, I wish you a very successful and prosperous New Year in
which I pray that you will live with good health, joy and grace.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Samuel S. Lidipe
>
> President: Sunivision International Investigations Ltd
>
> Lagos-Nigeria
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> Tel: 234-8034091998, 234-8045077612
>
> Email: president@s...
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> Website: www.sunivision.com
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> 234-8034091998, FAX# 234-1-4930419 CONTACT ADDRESS: #6, SHOBOYEJO
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To: ??

I don't know your name hence the "??".  We would need
more information in order to accurately answer your
question. The short answer is get the paperwork to the
named individual A.S.A.P.!  If you cannot contact the
person named in the paperwork, then contact court that
the person needs to appear in.

If you need further assistance or would like to
provide me with further information so I can further
assist you, please feel free to contact me by email
PRIVATELY.  My email address is: drhawaii@...


Dr. DHL Haitsuka
Aaron Alexander Services
All-Around Services Limited
PO Box 806
Aiea, HI 96701-0806


--- yumpkin_17 <yumpkin_17@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi there....I need an answer if anyone can help
> me.....my brothers
> girlfriend signed for papers from a police officer
> on behalf of my
> brother ( he was not home at the time), they were
> broke up at the
> time and she was at his house and signed for the
> papers and she told
> him they were for him to appear in court but she
> never said where,
> why, when...nothing.  Now he is afraid that he has a
> court date for
> something( we are assuming it is about his child
> support), and he
> has no idea what county, what time, date or
> anything.  What I need
> to know is, if he actually does have a court date
> and does not show
> up at the appointed place or time, will he have a
> warrant out for
> his arrest because he failed to appear???
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




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Are you out of your mind?   It's schlock.  You are not sporting a sig block,
so in spite of the email addy (if I have time later I'll check) you are
probably not a PI.  If you are you're pretty uninformed.  NetDetective has
more chargebacks than Miss Cleo.  These people can Google more info than
that program.  Are you on the NetDetective payroll?

Look, I help a lot of people, but GOOD GRIEF!


Vicki Siedow
Siedow & Associates Investigations
& Custom Legal Support Services
2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
La Crescenta (Los Angeles area), CA 91214
818-242-0130
800-448-6431
818-688-3295 fax
Siedow@...
http://Siedow.LawAndOrder.com
CA Lic. PI #22852
Need economical legal help?
http://AreYouProtectedYet.com


-----Original Message-----
From: willgetthefacts [mailto:willgetthefacts@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:48 PM
To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [infoguys-list] Re: Internet detective software??




I use Net Detective Basic, which has recently undergone a face- change and
database update, although it's still a little behind some of the Info
Brokers.  Assuming that your subject hasn't moved in the past few months,
it's usually good enough.

If you're new to investigations in general, it's a treasure-trove of public
information sources, and also lists some unlisted phone numbers and
cellphones (although it doesn't say unlisted or cell in the listing.)  The
listings come from credit reports and other documents, although I don't know
exactly what those sources are.

The trick to using this type of service is to remember that some of it will
be inaccurate, or an outright lie (almost always by the
listee.)  Case in point: I looked up the number for Time & Temperature in my
hometown, just for kicks.  It listed the correct company who owned it, like
it should.  It also listed seven people who could be contacted at that
number, which is ridiculous.
Creditors are just gonna have to learn to check source numbers...

I only know about Net Detective, and it's helped me locate several people in
the past year.  I even took a test-case for a friend, just to see how useful
it was.  Let's just say her boyfriend was married, which is what she wanted
to know, and leave it at that.  "When Wife Meets Girlfriend" might make a
good (and funny) book...  Doubt I'll write it, though.

Some of the Investigation software is a hoax, or at least basically useless.
What you can do is check with the Better Business Bureau and see how they
rate before you buy anything.  Watch for the number of complaints, but keep
in mind that if the company has resolved them, then it's probably an okay
company.  Best advice I can give, even for TV ads that look legit.

Danny

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wrote:
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>
> Is any of this software really worth buying?
> Can anyone tell e if it has actually helped any of you or is it
all
> a hoax..
> Thx
> Becca








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I am not sure whether he will get a warrant for not appearing (though it is
likely). But I'm pretty sure there will be some negative effect.
The papers he received should have the information of where and when he is
supposed to appear. He should try contacting the police officer that delivered
the papers. He can contact the local office to find out where to get this
information. He can also try contacting the district attorney in charge of his
case to find out the purpose of this summons.
I'm not an expert on this stuff, but I have a friend that is having issues with
serving papers. He was told that his ex had 20 days from the time of service to
respond. So I suggest he get on with it right away.
Good luck to your brother!

yumpkin_17 <yumpkin_17@...> wrote:


Hi there....I need an answer if anyone can help me.....my brothers
girlfriend signed for papers from a police officer on behalf of my
brother ( he was not home at the time), they were broke up at the
time and she was at his house and signed for the papers and she told
him they were for him to appear in court but she never said where,
why, when...nothing.  Now he is afraid that he has a court date for
something( we are assuming it is about his child support), and he
has no idea what county, what time, date or anything.  What I need
to know is, if he actually does have a court date and does not show
up at the appointed place or time, will he have a warrant out for
his arrest because he failed to appear???








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tell your brother to call the county court house located in the county of the
address where he was sereve the summons to appear in court.Information will give
the main number. He can find out by asking for the proper questions or they will
be able to advise him on what he should do. If there was a summons for him to
appear in court and he doesnt show up there will be a warrent for his arrest.
The charge, if any, may not require his personal signature for the summons...not
fair...but sometimes the innocent suffer....keep asking untill you are
sure...not much help am I...good Luck.
This happened to me...I never knew that I was supposed to appear in court and a
warrent was issued for my arrest. Lucky for me A friend accidentaly
fount out and i too the necessary steps to obtain another court date and the
warrent was removed. Many times they dont come after you right away if it not
serious they just abide ther time and expense and catch you speeding
or just wait for something or some to cause them spend the necessary time and
money that it sometimes takes to locate the where abouts of the offender./ It
can get expensive. They have abudget to maintain. Not much
consolation..Check it out...Take the time to find out for sure the worry of not
knowing is not confortable.
============================================================
From: "yumpkin_17" <yumpkin_17@...>
Date: 2005/01/06 Thu AM 03:41:30 GMT
To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [infoguys-list] Need help fast...PLEASE




Hi there....I need an answer if anyone can help me.....my brothers
girlfriend signed for papers from a police officer on behalf of my
brother ( he was not home at the time), they were broke up at the
time and she was at his house and signed for the papers and she told
him they were for him to appear in court but she never said where,
why, when...nothing.  Now he is afraid that he has a court date for
something( we are assuming it is about his child support), and he
has no idea what county, what time, date or anything.  What I need
to know is, if he actually does have a court date and does not show
up at the appointed place or time, will he have a warrant out for
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Good Morning,   The papers your brother received have to have the
jurisdiction they were issued in if they were issued by a government agency on
normally
the top or if they were civil papers the attorneys name.  I would start by
going to the local sheriff's office or PD and they definately could tell him the
answer to his questions like where to appear , what date or where to answer the
summons and complaint etc.  If he would like to call me ,I would be happy to
help him find out .  I could be reached at the below signiture.  I deal with
legal papers all the time.

Tom Hoy
AM/PM Investigations Int'l
S. 232 Narwall Lp. SW
Ocean Shores WA. 98569
(360) 289-0117    TEL/FAX  (360) 289-4662


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Vicki Siedow <Siedow@...> wrote: Are you out of your mind? It's
schlock. You are not sporting a sig block,
so in spite of the email addy (if I have time later I'll check) you are
probably not a PI. If you are you're pretty uninformed. NetDetective has
more chargebacks than Miss Cleo. These people can Google more info than
that program. Are you on the NetDetective payroll?

Look, I help a lot of people, but GOOD GRIEF!

Vicki:

I gave MY experience with it.  No more, no less.  JUST the facts as I have
experienced them.  For the record, I don't know what "program" you're talking
about.  I go to their Internet site, log in, look up what I want to know.  I
don't know a danged thing about any "program"; it's all web-based.  It's not
perfect, but how many times have you bought useless information from an Info
Broker?  Most of the info in those databases are based on what the Subject
submitted, and unless the creditor (or whoever) does a real background check,
it's no more useful, although the potential misinformation may be more
up-to-date.

I don't pay them for their monthly service; I don't want a constant bill that is
probably not much more accurate than what they have on file in the Basic
database.  Mine was a one-time fee, that lasts until I die.  I don't know if
they still offer that program, but they are required by my contract to give me
access to the Basic database.  It's that simple.

I also use Google, Yahoo, Lycos, and several Shadow Search Engines that can
contain better information.  I presume from your response that you didn't read
my entire posting.  I never said I RECOMMENDED NetDectective; I said if you're
going to use it, it was going to contain inaccurate information.  I use it first
to avoid potentially wasteful time and money to an info house -- since it's
already paid for, why not use it?

I am not a P.I.; I am a P.I. student with over 20 years experience as a Research
Specialist, to include finding skips.  I bought that program 2-years ago to
suppliment my other information-finding tools.  It's not great, but it's not
outright horrible either.  Compared to some of the scams I've looked over, it's
legit.  I have no connection to that company, other than my access to their
database.

Rebecca did not specifiy that she wanted answers ONLY from P.I.s -- she wanted
to know people's experience with it, and I gave mine.  For me, usually, it's
fine.  I know that it contains a lot of it is useless info.  And in direct
answer to her original question, no, not all of the detective "software" is a
hoax.  Some of NetDetective's info is outdated, but so are a lot of alleged
follow-up reports creditiors submit.

Danny Stone
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I have two clients that both have judgments and are seeking employment
information on their subjects for garnishment purposes.  Both judgments were
awarded in Utah and one subject still resides there.  The other subject has
moved to Arizona.  I have tried three different services with negative results. 
Does anyone have ideas or recommendations?  Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated.




Kris Cantil
Ketter Cantil Consulting Group
KCA Investigations
PO BOX 1269
Bountiful, UT  84011
UT PI License # 100908
UT Agency License # G100118
Office 801-298-0940
Cell 801-301-0961
Toll Free 888-340-0100
Fax 801-294-4521
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Hello all...I just wanted to thank everyone for they're replies.
The only problem with everything is that we are not sure exactly
which county is involved.  The only possible reason we could come
up  with for this "supposed court date" is that it has something to
do with his child support case.  His kids live in a different county
than him so there is 2 different counties it could be.  He is going
to call both and see what he can find out.  The problem is he is not
sure if he has already missed the court date or not.  The reason why
we think it could be about child support is he has an ongoing case
with his kids mom.  He was behind in child support from when he was
laid off.  He made attempts to pay, it just was not the full
amount.  So, when he did go into court back in OCT. he was put into
jail and spent 1 night.  The lawyer he had was paid in full, and he
was able to get him out by paying half of the back amount owed, with
the conditions being that he continue with the monthly ordered
amount, plus an additional 300 for insurance a month, which came to
a total of 900.00 a month.  My brother only makes roughly 1400.00 a
month.  He was also ordered to pay her attny's fees of 1500.00 and
the rest of what was owed in back support, which was another
3600.00.  He has kept up with the monthly amounts, but has not been
able to come up with the additional, 3600 + 1500.  That all has to
be paid by the end of this month.
This is the only thing we could possible come up with as a reason to
be served papers.  The things is, he has never seen anything, his ex-
girlfriend his spiteful and we just aren't sure if she is making it
up or not.  That is why he is scared that if it indeed is true, and
he has already missed the court date, will there be a warrant served
for his arrest based on failure to appear?  BTW, the lawyer he has
was supposed to be working on getting an extension for paying back
the remainder, plus getting a modification, he kept telling my
brother that he filed the paperwork and was just waiting for a court
date, that was 2 months ago.  I went to the courthouse and checked
and there has NEVER been any paperwork filed on his behalf by his
atty!!!!!

OK, if you're comparing it to Google, Lycos, etc., then it's probably about
the same.  The point is that these people can get the information from a
search engine without paying for NetDetective.  You said originally that it
was better than some databases, and I thought that you were referring to
professional investigative databases such as IRB, Merlin, Tracers
Information, etc.  These databases require licensure and screening, and have
much more accurate information than that of the search engines.  The stuff
you're getting on the sites it sounds like you're visiting actually doesn't
come from credit records, that would not be legal.  It's possible that it
could come from mailing lists, for instance.  The information we get on the
professional databases comes from much more than just public records.  It
also takes a professional researcher such as yourself to make the best use
of any set of data.  Some people might have a knock at it, but unless you
spend hours every day for years, and know where and how to look, you won't
get the best possible results.


Vicki Siedow
Siedow & Associates Investigations
& Custom Legal Support Services
2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
La Crescenta (Los Angeles area), CA 91214
818-242-0130
800-448-6431
818-688-3295 fax
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From: Danny Stone [mailto:willgetthefacts@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:33 AM
To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Re: Internet detective software??



Vicki Siedow <Siedow@...> wrote: Are you out of your mind? It's
schlock. You are not sporting a sig block, so in spite of the email addy (if
I have time later I'll check) you are probably not a PI. If you are you're
pretty uninformed. NetDetective has more chargebacks than Miss Cleo. These
people can Google more info than that program. Are you on the NetDetective
payroll?

Look, I help a lot of people, but GOOD GRIEF!

Vicki:

I gave MY experience with it.  No more, no less.  JUST the facts as I have
experienced them.  For the record, I don't know what "program" you're
talking about.  I go to their Internet site, log in, look up what I want to
know.  I don't know a danged thing about any "program"; it's all web-based.
It's not perfect, but how many times have you bought useless information
from an Info Broker?  Most of the info in those databases are based on what
the Subject submitted, and unless the creditor (or whoever) does a real
background check, it's no more useful, although the potential misinformation
may be more up-to-date.

I don't pay them for their monthly service; I don't want a constant bill
that is probably not much more accurate than what they have on file in the
Basic database.  Mine was a one-time fee, that lasts until I die.  I don't
know if they still offer that program, but they are required by my contract
to give me access to the Basic database.  It's that simple.

I also use Google, Yahoo, Lycos, and several Shadow Search Engines that can
contain better information.  I presume from your response that you didn't
read my entire posting.  I never said I RECOMMENDED NetDectective; I said if
you're going to use it, it was going to contain inaccurate information.  I
use it first to avoid potentially wasteful time and money to an info house
-- since it's already paid for, why not use it?

I am not a P.I.; I am a P.I. student with over 20 years experience as a
Research Specialist, to include finding skips.  I bought that program
2-years ago to suppliment my other information-finding tools.  It's not
great, but it's not outright horrible either.  Compared to some of the scams
I've looked over, it's legit.  I have no connection to that company, other
than my access to their database.

Rebecca did not specifiy that she wanted answers ONLY from P.I.s -- she
wanted to know people's experience with it, and I gave mine.  For me,
usually, it's fine.  I know that it contains a lot of it is useless info.
And in direct answer to her original question, no, not all of the detective
"software" is a hoax.  Some of NetDetective's info is outdated, but so are a
lot of alleged follow-up reports creditiors submit.

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<<<<  how many times have you bought useless information from an Info
Broker?  Most of the info in those databases are based on what the Subject
submitted  >>>>


Danny,

I don't know what "databases" you're referring to, but the ones that most of
us use (for licensed investigators/law enforcement, etc. only) are NOT
compiled from information that the subject submits themselves.

From what I understand, Net Detective get their information from places like
InfoSpace, SwithBoard and such (mostly worthless).  Our databases get their
information mainly from credit headers, DMV records, property records, and
criminal/civil court records.  While not infallible, they are infinitely
more accurate and up-to-date.

Sorry, but comparing Net Detective with professional databases is like
comparing a Yugo with a Mercedes (although perhaps not a Rolls Royce).

You'll also find that the databases we use don't have any need to promote
their products through blatant deception and outright lies like Net
Detective has to, and there's a good reason for that.  The reason being,
that the database owners market their products to professionals (LPI/LEO)
and are smart enough to know that they can't bullshit people who detect
bullshit for a living.  Net Detective, on the other hand, preys on the
gullible and ill-informed.

Imagine if our database owners, like Net Detective does, claimed that their
product was "endorsed by the National Association of Independent Private
Investigators (NAIPI)".  Most of us who have been in this business for any
length of time know that no such organization even exists (except in the
minds of the Net Detective people).  Our databases would be out of business
in a week.

Throwing "National Association of Independent Private Investigators" into
Google, you would expect to hit upon their web site relatively quickly, or
even find a few private investigators that are members of such a prestige
organization, but you don't.  All you get is ad after ad after ad for Net
Detective.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22national+association+of+independ
ent+private+investigators%22


<<<   I gave MY experience with it.  >>>

Understandable; when you have nothing of value to compare it to, it might
seem like a wonderful tool.


<<<  I am a P.I. student with over 20 years experience as a Research
Specialist  >>>

Well here... study and research this:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtyp
e=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=net+detective


Jim

=================

JIM PARKER - Chief Investigator
Email Tracing & Internet Fraud Specialist.
Axis Investigative Services, Inc. (FL)
Web: http://www.FloridaDetectives.com
Email: Jim@...
Florida License #: A-2000163

Director / Team Member of MissingKIN
"Dedicated to finding missing and abducted children"
Web: http://www.MissingKIN.com


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LOL, very eloquently stated, as usual. <G>


Vicki Siedow
Siedow & Associates Investigations
& Custom Legal Support Services
2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
La Crescenta (Los Angeles area), CA 91214
818-242-0130
800-448-6431
818-688-3295 fax
Siedow@...
http://Siedow.LawAndOrder.com
CA Lic. PI #22852
Need economical legal help?
http://AreYouProtectedYet.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Parker [mailto:Jim@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:14 AM
To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Re: Internet detective software??


<<<  I am a P.I. student with over 20 years experience as a Research
Specialist  >>>

Well here... study and research this:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtyp
e=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=net+detective


Jim

=================

JIM PARKER - Chief Investigator
Email Tracing & Internet Fraud Specialist.
Axis Investigative Services, Inc. (FL)
Web: http://www.FloridaDetectives.com
Email: Jim@...
Florida License #: A-2000163

Director / Team Member of MissingKIN
"Dedicated to finding missing and abducted children"
Web: http://www.MissingKIN.com

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I cancelled my order for Net Detective, base on what I have heard from you guys,
and have experienced.

I tried to look up an individual that I knew had a criminal record and who was
just arrested in December.
They had no record of this on their system.
I cannot relay on no information or old, outdated information to get clients.
Bye< Bye Net Detective.

Thanks to the group for this info!

Alfonso V. Pelote, Case Examiner
Gold Dollar Investigations.


----- Original Message -----
   From: Vicki Siedow<mailto:Siedow@...>
   To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com<mailto:infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:10 PM
   Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Re: Internet detective software??




   OK, if you're comparing it to Google, Lycos, etc., then it's probably about
   the same.  The point is that these people can get the information from a
   search engine without paying for NetDetective.  You said originally that it
   was better than some databases, and I thought that you were referring to
   professional investigative databases such as IRB, Merlin, Tracers
   Information, etc.  These databases require licensure and screening, and have
   much more accurate information than that of the search engines.  The stuff
   you're getting on the sites it sounds like you're visiting actually doesn't
   come from credit records, that would not be legal.  It's possible that it
   could come from mailing lists, for instance.  The information we get on the
   professional databases comes from much more than just public records.  It
   also takes a professional researcher such as yourself to make the best use
   of any set of data.  Some people might have a knock at it, but unless you
   spend hours every day for years, and know where and how to look, you won't
   get the best possible results.


   Vicki Siedow
   Siedow & Associates Investigations
   & Custom Legal Support Services
   2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
   La Crescenta (Los Angeles area), CA 91214
   818-242-0130
   800-448-6431
   818-688-3295 fax
   Siedow@...<mailto:Siedow@...>
   http://Siedow.LawAndOrder.com<http://siedow.lawandorder.com/>
   CA Lic. PI #22852
   Need economical legal help?
   http://AreYouProtectedYet.com<http://areyouprotectedyet.com/>


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   From: Danny Stone [mailto:willgetthefacts@...]
   Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:33 AM
   To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com<mailto:infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com>
   Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Re: Internet detective software??



   Vicki Siedow <Siedow@...<mailto:Siedow@...>> wrote:
Are you out of your mind? It's
   schlock. You are not sporting a sig block, so in spite of the email addy (if
   I have time later I'll check) you are probably not a PI. If you are you're
   pretty uninformed. NetDetective has more chargebacks than Miss Cleo. These
   people can Google more info than that program. Are you on the NetDetective
   payroll?

   Look, I help a lot of people, but GOOD GRIEF!

   Vicki:

   I gave MY experience with it.  No more, no less.  JUST the facts as I have
   experienced them.  For the record, I don't know what "program" you're
   talking about.  I go to their Internet site, log in, look up what I want to
   know.  I don't know a danged thing about any "program"; it's all web-based.
   It's not perfect, but how many times have you bought useless information
   from an Info Broker?  Most of the info in those databases are based on what
   the Subject submitted, and unless the creditor (or whoever) does a real
   background check, it's no more useful, although the potential misinformation
   may be more up-to-date.

   I don't pay them for their monthly service; I don't want a constant bill
   that is probably not much more accurate than what they have on file in the
   Basic database.  Mine was a one-time fee, that lasts until I die.  I don't
   know if they still offer that program, but they are required by my contract
   to give me access to the Basic database.  It's that simple.

   I also use Google, Yahoo, Lycos, and several Shadow Search Engines that can
   contain better information.  I presume from your response that you didn't
   read my entire posting.  I never said I RECOMMENDED NetDectective; I said if
   you're going to use it, it was going to contain inaccurate information.  I
   use it first to avoid potentially wasteful time and money to an info house
   -- since it's already paid for, why not use it?

   I am not a P.I.; I am a P.I. student with over 20 years experience as a
   Research Specialist, to include finding skips.  I bought that program
   2-years ago to suppliment my other information-finding tools.  It's not
   great, but it's not outright horrible either.  Compared to some of the scams
   I've looked over, it's legit.  I have no connection to that company, other
   than my access to their database.

   Rebecca did not specifiy that she wanted answers ONLY from P.I.s -- she
   wanted to know people's experience with it, and I gave mine.  For me,
   usually, it's fine.  I know that it contains a lot of it is useless info.
   And in direct answer to her original question, no, not all of the detective
   "software" is a hoax.  Some of NetDetective's info is outdated, but so are a
   lot of alleged follow-up reports creditiors submit.

   Danny Stone
   Research Specialist



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The Brain damaged Trollie is located or wants to be in the
Netherlands.He is what you would call a little wannaby lollipop.His IP
  is 145.72.36.18 .Have some fun for those of you that know what to do.
JBeckwith

Once again, I am risking ridicule and admonishment by responding to messages
posted on this list--but I just can't seem to help myself.

   As one of the admittedly "gullible and ill-informed" who has paid for the
useless Net Detective junk, I loved Jim's comment and would just like to
thank him.  Really, I am not being a smart-aleck by any means, being able to
laugh at myself is a skill I learned long ago.  Thank you, Jim, because this
has been a really crappy few days in my world and I do so appreciate the
chance to laugh--even if it is at my own expense!

Michelle Rhodes
Not a PI, not a lawyer, not even sure where my shoes are half the time

"Protect Your Legal Rights"
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Parker" <Jim@...>
To: <infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Re: Internet detective software??


>
>
> <<<<  how many times have you bought useless information from an Info
> Broker?  Most of the info in those databases are based on what the Subject
> submitted  >>>>
>
>
> Danny,
>
> I don't know what "databases" you're referring to, but the ones that most
> of
> us use (for licensed investigators/law enforcement, etc. only) are NOT
> compiled from information that the subject submits themselves.
>
> From what I understand, Net Detective get their information from places
> like
> InfoSpace, SwithBoard and such (mostly worthless).  Our databases get
> their
> information mainly from credit headers, DMV records, property records, and
> criminal/civil court records.  While not infallible, they are infinitely
> more accurate and up-to-date.
>
> Sorry, but comparing Net Detective with professional databases is like
> comparing a Yugo with a Mercedes (although perhaps not a Rolls Royce).
>
> You'll also find that the databases we use don't have any need to promote
> their products through blatant deception and outright lies like Net
> Detective has to, and there's a good reason for that.  The reason being,
> that the database owners market their products to professionals (LPI/LEO)
> and are smart enough to know that they can't bullshit people who detect
> bullshit for a living.  Net Detective, on the other hand, preys on the
> gullible and ill-informed.
>
> Imagine if our database owners, like Net Detective does, claimed that
> their
> product was "endorsed by the National Association of Independent Private
> Investigators (NAIPI)".  Most of us who have been in this business for any
> length of time know that no such organization even exists (except in the
> minds of the Net Detective people).  Our databases would be out of
> business
> in a week.
>
> Throwing "National Association of Independent Private Investigators" into
> Google, you would expect to hit upon their web site relatively quickly, or
> even find a few private investigators that are members of such a prestige
> organization, but you don't.  All you get is ad after ad after ad for Net
> Detective.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22national+association+of+independ
> ent+private+investigators%22
>
>
> <<<   I gave MY experience with it.  >>>
>
> Understandable; when you have nothing of value to compare it to, it might
> seem like a wonderful tool.
>
>
> <<<  I am a P.I. student with over 20 years experience as a Research
> Specialist  >>>
>
> Well here... study and research this:
>
> http://www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtyp
> e=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=net+detective
>
>
> Jim
>
> =================
>
> JIM PARKER - Chief Investigator
> Email Tracing & Internet Fraud Specialist.
> Axis Investigative Services, Inc. (FL)
> Web: http://www.FloridaDetectives.com
> Email: Jim@...
> Florida License #: A-2000163
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I am relatively new to this list, though I have already
posted.  I saw your initial message here when you posted it, but I
did not respond as it appeared that you needed someone to move on it
much more quickly than I was in position to!  I live approx. 20
miles from Douglasville PA (near Reading, PA) and I can do this for
you if you still need it done, although still not for the next few
days.  I have not seen a posted update removing this assignment as
completed, so I am submitting this post on that basis!  If you still
need it done feel free to consider me as either a primary or
alternate to do the job for you.  If you are still interested,
please E-mail me at my box with further particulars, including
compensation!  Thank you!! (PS:  I am not a PI, but I have done free-
lance work like this in the past, plus internal investigations for
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Vicki & Jim:

Okay, I will admit ignorance of the fraud counts against this company.  I signed
up for it on the instruction on an old client; it was one of the conditions for
that assignment.  Not a big deal -- I billed him for it as well, and he paid it.
It was $30, and I didn't really think much about it at the time.

I checked out that fraud site you sent me to, Jim; thanks for the link.  I also
checked with the Better Business Bureau, but the National site had zero
information available (which could just be that it's not able to connect to the
appropriate database for some reason.)  Then I checked the BBB local to Deland,
FL, and found the following:


Customer Experience

Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau
due to a pattern of complaints. Although the company resolves the complaints, it
has failed to correct the underlying reason for the complaints. Complaints are
concerning the performance of the software, specifically stating the software,
Net Detective, does not perform as represented. All complaints request a refund.
There is no indication in the file, the company has taken steps to eliminate the
pattern of complaints. In a letter addressed to the Bureau dated October 18,
2000, the company stated they " maintain a 100% satisfaction guarantee and we
refund any and all money to any customer that expresses dissatisfaction with any
product."

Assuming they are granting the refunds, then local authorities up generally will
leave them alone.  Otherwise, they would have been shut down.

> Understandable; when you have nothing of value to compare it to, it might seem
like a wonderful tool.

Actually, I do.  In the State of Texas, in order to gain access to law
enforcement tools as the ones you mentioned, you have to be a licensed attorney,
bank, credit agency, law enforcement agent (police, P.I., etc.), or the
government.  (There may be others.  Also understand this was back in 1994 to
1997, so that could have changed.)  Just about any company that deals with
collection can get direct access to credit reports and DMV lookups.

Although I (obviously) wasn't qualified at the time to get these myself, the
company I worked for could.  On hard-to-find skips, we'd send them to Corporate,
and they'd FAX back a lot more detailed reports about that skip than we could
have ever found on our own.  I don't know the source they used for these
reports, but I do know that they tended to be very accurate.  I also know that
several P.I.s worked for the company.

These days, I sub-contract out to agencies, banks, etc., and all I do is compile
research and verification of their records.  If I need a credit report or
whatever, I have them run it, and send me addresses and phone numbers from it. 
I usually start with Net Detective, mostly to save expenses.  Yes, there are
better sources of information, and yes, their ads are misleading.  But with the
other tools I have on-hand, plus Net Detective, I only need a credit report (or
other) 20% of the time.  It saves my client money, so why not?

I don't do any of the actual collections or follow-ups.  (That will be changing
in the next few months, however.)  I just compile facts and figures.  Nothing
more, nothing less.

At the moment, it would be a moot point to try to get my money back.  I didn't
really pay for it, so why bother with the time and expense?  Just exactly what
is my time worth?  Certainly more than the $30 I didn't pay...

Danny Stone
Research Specialist

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I understand your explanation.   Unfortunately you comment at the end, "At
the moment, it would be a moot point to try to get my money back.  I didn't
really pay for it, so why bother with the time and expense?  Just exactly
what is my time worth?  Certainly more than the $30 I didn't pay..." is
exactly why NetDetective can continue to mislead the public.  Since they
refund those who take the time to bother the law isn't bothering to go after
them.  And since most people share your viewpoint, probably only a very
small percentage of dissatisfied customers take the time to try to get a
refund.


Vicki Siedow
Siedow & Associates Investigations
& Custom Legal Support Services
2629 Foothill Blvd. #262
La Crescenta (Los Angeles area), CA 91214
818-242-0130
800-448-6431
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From: Danny Stone [mailto:willgetthefacts@...]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:57 AM
To: infoguys-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [infoguys-list] Re: Internet detective software??



Vicki & Jim:

Okay, I will admit ignorance of the fraud counts against this company.  I
signed up for it on the instruction on an old client; it was one of the
conditions for that assignment.  Not a big deal -- I billed him for it as
well, and he paid it.  It was $30, and I didn't really think much about it
at the time.

I checked out that fraud site you sent me to, Jim; thanks for the link.  I
also checked with the Better Business Bureau, but the National site had zero
information available (which could just be that it's not able to connect to
the appropriate database for some reason.)  Then I checked the BBB local to
Deland, FL, and found the following:


Customer Experience

Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the
Bureau due to a pattern of complaints. Although the company resolves the
complaints, it has failed to correct the underlying reason for the
complaints. Complaints are concerning the performance of the software,
specifically stating the software, Net Detective, does not perform as
represented. All complaints request a refund. There is no indication in the
file, the company has taken steps to eliminate the pattern of complaints. In
a letter addressed to the Bureau dated October 18, 2000, the company stated
they " maintain a 100% satisfaction guarantee and we refund any and all
money to any customer that expresses dissatisfaction with any product."

Assuming they are granting the refunds, then local authorities up generally
will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they would have been shut down.

> Understandable; when you have nothing of value to compare it to, it might
seem like a wonderful tool.

Actually, I do.  In the State of Texas, in order to gain access to law
enforcement tools as the ones you mentioned, you have to be a licensed
attorney, bank, credit agency, law enforcement agent (police, P.I., etc.),
or the government.  (There may be others.  Also understand this was back in
1994 to 1997, so that could have changed.)  Just about any company that
deals with collection can get direct access to credit reports and DMV
lookups.

Although I (obviously) wasn't qualified at the time to get these myself, the
company I worked for could.  On hard-to-find skips, we'd send them to
Corporate, and they'd FAX back a lot more detailed reports about that skip
than we could have ever found on our own.  I don't know the source they used
for these reports, but I do know that they tended to be very accurate.  I
also know that several P.I.s worked for the company.

These days, I sub-contract out to agencies, banks, etc., and all I do is
compile research and verification of their records.  If I need a credit
report or whatever, I have them run it, and send me addresses and phone
numbers from it.  I usually start with Net Detective, mostly to save
expenses.  Yes, there are better sources of information, and yes, their ads
are misleading.  But with the other tools I have on-hand, plus Net
Detective, I only need a credit report (or other) 20% of the time.  It saves
my client money, so why not?

I don't do any of the actual collections or follow-ups.  (That will be
changing in the next few months, however.)  I just compile facts and
figures.  Nothing more, nothing less.

At the moment, it would be a moot point to try to get my money back.  I
didn't really pay for it, so why bother with the time and expense?  Just
exactly what is my time worth?  Certainly more than the $30 I didn't pay...

Danny Stone
Research Specialist

Vicki Siedow <Siedow@...> wrote:
LOL, very eloquently stated, as usual.



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